Conflicting stories on Russian ships persist
A handout image released by the Syrian opposition's Shaam News Network shows destruction in Juret al-Shayyah neighbourhood in the rebel hotbed of Homs in central Syria on June 17, 2012.
June 20th, 2012
12:00 AM ET

Conflicting stories on Russian ships persist

By Jill Dougherty

Reports from CNN and other news organizations have ricocheted across the globe concerning Russian ships allegedly on their way to the Russian-controlled port of Tartus in Syria carrying arms and, possibly, troops.

The stories unleashed a "fog of war" series of charges and denials that have sharpened tensions between Washington and Moscow.

Tuesday some facts became clearer, others even more confused.

The reports began surfacing almost a week ago after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Moscow of sending attack helicopters to the regime of Bashar al-Assad, which she said would escalate the conflict in that country "quite dramatically."

CNN and others reported the helicopters were aboard a Russian-operated ship, the MV Alaed, which sailed from the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. The British government said Tuesday it appeared to have three Syrian Mi-25 helicopters aboard. The Russian government previously said the choppers were purchased by the Syrian government as part of older contracts and were being refurbished.

Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby told reporters, "This was part of a long-standing contract that they had with the government of Syria to provide helicopters to the Syrian military."

But he repeated the Obama administration's view that - new or old - the helicopters can be used to kill Syrian civilians. "Any external support given to the Assad regime of a military lethal nature that ... could allow them to harm people is intolerable and unacceptable," he said.

But the ship apparently made it only to the waters off Scotland. It's now reportedly on its way back to Russia after the British company that insured it withdrew coverage due to the nature of the shipment.

Pentagon officials told CNN last week that U.S. intelligence believes the Russians are sending another ship, the Nikolay Filchenkov, carrying weapons, ammunition and a small number of Russian troops to Syria to help fortify its naval base there as the situation in Syria continues to spiral out of control.

U.S. officials told CNN's Barbara Starr that military spy satellites watched the vessel being loaded in a port on the Black Sea.

On Tuesday, the Pentagon said Moscow was actually preparing to dispatch a total of three vessels carrying supplies and possibly personnel to Syria, believed to be for resupply and protection for forces at the Russian base there.

"We have no indication that these vessels are being sent to Syria for any other purpose (than that) which the Russian military has acknowledged themselves," Kirby noted. "That it's for resupplying to help with force protection at that facility."

But the Russian Defense Ministry on Tuesday denied other media reports that a large landing ship, the Kaliningrad, which belongs to the Baltic fleet, is being prepared to sail to the port in Tartus.

"The only true data in those reports is that the large landing ship Kaliningrad is a part of the Russian Baltic fleet," the ministry said. "Currently it takes part in Kiel week" - an annual sailing event - "and then it will be back to the port where it's based. No routes to the Mediterranean are planned for it."

What's more, the Russian Defense Ministry charged, "The false information referring to unnamed source and satellite data that was published by the media last week was meant to escalate the situation in Syria, but not to reflect the reality."

From the spokesman for the Russian Black Sea Fleet came another denial. Vyacheslav Trukhachev, based in Sevastopol, Ukraine, told CNN: "All ships from the Black Sea fleet are engaged in everyday activities and located within the ports where they are based. The Russian ship Caesar Kunnikov left the port of Sevastopol today for planned training and will be back in port tomorrow."

The spokesman denied media reports quoting him as saying that Russian warships had set sail for Syria and that one of the warships was carrying a 150-strong contingent of marines and 25 tanks. He also denied saying the mission "would only be to evacuate Russian personnel and property from Syria."

CNN's Barbara Starr contributed to this report

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  5. Paul

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    June 27, 2012 at 6:25 am | Reply
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    • Matt

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      June 21, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Reply
  7. Awabnavi

    YEAH! Only the US has the right to take sides and supply arms to its favourites.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:34 am | Reply
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      August 3, 2012 at 1:23 am | Reply
  8. Andrew

    Get your facts straight before passing the judgement on Russia – communism was a German invention – thats a fact. Communism failed utterly in Russia and was dismantled over 20 years ago. Any way you look at it you just need to stop hating and let Russians take care of their property or whatever the hell they've got over there (not like they give a damn what you think anyway). Haters gonna hate!

    June 21, 2012 at 9:57 am | Reply
  9. John

    I don't have a problem with Russia protecting their Navel Base in Syria. However I do blame Obama for not putting a arms embargo on Syria. Its obvious Russia will supply Assad until its illegal.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
  10. Russian Soldier

    Yankee,если Вам все равно на Россию,что же Вы тогда ноете????????????Ааааааааааа???????Вы смелые только с теми кто не может дать сдачи,как старшеклассник и ребенок.Вы же только бомбите,а потом типа демократия,свободную страну делаете.Вы посмотрите по сторонам.Россия и Китай))))))Разве этого Вам мало.Так что не надо гадости говорить,в отношении русских людей.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:30 am | Reply
  11. MatVashuYobVZhopuPidoryHuesosovskiye

    USA still LIE in "conflicting stories"???
    There is easy pill against American lies: stop Afganistan troops transit IMMEDIATELY.
    Let all that guys die there.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:23 am | Reply
  12. Matt

    I will let you all work out how the Russian thinks and what their strategies are.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Reply
  13. ccsroscoe@gmail.com

    It is obvious that the Russians wish to protect their LAST and ONLY warm water port and the nukes stored there.

    June 20, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Reply
  14. Russian Soldier

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    June 20, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Reply
    • SimmaDownNah

      Calm down, there, RooskieBoy. No need to get all nasty. Be a good little boy now and do as your master tells you and go and murder Syrian civilians like a good little Rooskie mutt.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Reply
      • Russian Soldier

        Собачонка это ты)))))Слышь Бивень)))))))))))Вы же блядь очкуете сука по всякому поводу.

        June 21, 2012 at 4:32 am |
  15. Russian Soldier

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    June 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Reply
  16. Russian Soldier

    RUSSIA IS POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Reply
    • ccsroscoe@gmail.com

      Afganistan awaits...lol

      June 20, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Reply
      • CalmHeadsWillPrevail

        LOL!

        June 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  17. zoosphere

    The transportation of military equipments over the world need to be regulated, and need to be discussed internationally.

    June 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
    • Voice of Reason

      KELVIN – you are so right in all you say – why can't we get world leaders that understand as you do?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:48 am | Reply
  18. Metanoia

    How can you guys not see what is going on?
    This pathetic media war attempting to catch flame in order to make the United States of Throwing Democratically Elected Leaders a shining bright star of liberty and human rights again. It will not work.

    You claim Assad is a vile, and bloodthirsty man, and while he is in no way a saint, neither are any of your last 44 presidents who for the history of your fake established, racist nation have never, ever been out of conflict, and war.
    The only bloodthirsty criminals who among all of you so-called first world, cultured and civilized humans, are practicing the most hilarous form of presidential and political nepositism the world has ever seen.
    If you want to take a US History course make sure they tell you about Allende of Chile, or about Mossadegh of Iran, (Yet you still have the audacity to open your mouths on this issue?!) or Syria in 1949, Guatemala 1954, Tibet 1955, Laos 1955, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959 (FAILED), DR Of Congo 190, (Hope you enjoy all that tantalum!), Iraq 1960, Dominican Republic 1960, South Vietnam 1963, Brazil 1964, Greece 1967, Argentina 1976, Afghanistan 1979 (And know your soldiers are getting shot at by the same weapons your government sold to the Afghans), Turkey 1980, Poland 1980, Nicaragua 1981, El Salvador 1980, Cambodia 1980, Angola 1980, Philippines 1986, do you really need more?

    You claim as if it is the hatred of the liberty, and the jealously of your freedom when it is only the bangs of your guns, and the snake in your eyes that turn the whole world against your fake and devilish plans.
    Mark my words, all empires fall, no matter how great, or how small.

    June 20, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Reply
    • You're Kidding Right?

      You sound a bit peeved. My advice is to go see a psychiatrist for your issues. Sure, you can vent a bit on this forum, but real healing can only happen when you admit you've got a problem and then seek help. Good luck with that. BTW, your great, great, great, great grandchildren will be able to visit the American Empire in the future. We're a young nation, with atleast a thousand years to go before we even begin to fall. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Get well soon!

      June 20, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • King of the World

      Couldnt agree more. USA is an imperial devil who thrives on the blood of others. It is about time that this war maniac nation with nut-cases on top should be stopped. Placing nukes in Syria and Iran is a great option. We need a new alliance in the shape of Iran-Russia-China and Pakistan to form a new axis to stop the terrorism and chaos of NATO and bring harmony and peace on earth.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Reply
      • You're Kidding Right?

        Yeah, cause the Arab League is working so well. You guys are a joke when it comes to preventing terrorism. Harmony and peace on earth??? That is truly laughable. Like Iran-Russia-China have wonderful human rights stats. Please try to post something intelligent next time because this post of yours is simply pathetic.

        June 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  19. MatVashuYobVZhopuPidoryHuesosovskiye

    Russia should place nukes at Syria and Iran terriitory.
    That will effectively stop Yankee warmongering.

    June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
    • You're Kidding Right?

      Yeah, well, we'll see that with our satellites and now good will come of it. Thanks for your silly post. Hope you rot in hell you terrorist.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Reply
      • u're kiddn too

        hi. i admire ur decision to defend ur country. But pls note that the US is no saint. It has time and time again committed dastardly under the guise of teh war on terrorism or democracy or protectiing civilians. Russia, for all its faults, tries to be the voice of the weak nations that do no want to kowtow to US imperialist policies.

        June 21, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • King of the World

      Absolutely right. Play fire with fire. Inside, Yankees are cowards. Through out history they could only fight a nation which is poor. You want more!! They have 50 or so blood suckers in form of NATO to invade on the poor nation and UNO behind it to cover that up. It is about time to tell them that 'Tsar Bomba' will what you get now.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Reply
      • PsstHeyRooskie

        Perhaps you have not heard that the Soviet Union has failed. Mother Russia is but a shadow of its former self, with corruption and the rich stepping on its own people. Why don't you try to fix your own country with its overwhelming poor and mistreated population before trying to fix others'?

        June 20, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
      • Joe Pham

        The Russians are the axis of evil. Through out history, they've spread their Communism like disease right into Asia like Vietnam, my Country. We have lost our Country to communism and yet you people are praising communism? Go on and tell me one single good thing is that so good about communism? Add salts to injuries, have you or your family's wealth and property got confiscated? The true core of communism is your wealth belongs to the state/party. You pathetic people be thankful for living in a free World like Australia and the US

        June 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
  20. Well, duh?

    Didn't anyone expect Russia to protect its base?

    June 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Reply
  21. Piotr

    It's not clear how much more distrustful and sour relations between Russia and the US can get, short of actual open military confrontation. American right-wing politicians refer to Russia openly as "the enemy", and the like. Putin has got very little to lose appeasing frothing Americans, rather things got to the point were he has something to WIN by standing his ground to Washington.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    • Piotr

      eh, I meant "Putin has got very little to lose NOT appeasing ..."

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • PsstHeyRooskie

      Gimme a break. Right wing politicians are morons. The US and Russia have more in common than most other countries. If only Russia would stop deflecting attention away from the horrific corruption that's rampant inside it, it could take care of its citizens.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Reply
  22. AlexShch

    Today, June 20th, the operator company of MV Alaed published a 4-page official Press Release which includes detailed data of whereabouts of the ship during the last 6 month (since February 14), including listing of all its stops. It is accessible on their web-suite, www femco ru

    http://www.femco.ru/uploads/files/alaed_pr_eng.pdf

    This appears to be very credible. It is obvious that the focus of their response is not western media, CNN, FOX, et al, but rather Russia's own "useful idiots" (Kommersant daily, etc...) Still, it appears that the most likely case scenario is MV Alaed and Femco (a private shipping company) ended up simply being a collateral damage in informational assault on Russia by the US State Dept, who randomly selected a ship approximately going into that direction and made up the whole story.

    Lets follow what will happened next. I would be curious to see if the ship's cargo will be inspected and all involved in this libel will eventually apologize to the company.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  23. robertd188

    I hope the US and Russia can de-escalate this crisis.

    June 20, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
    • AlexShch

      Apparently the contradiction is not between US and Russia, but between US own Dept. of State and US Dept. of Defense.

      Sec. Clinton said what she said, requiring no further commenting.

      Generals in Pentagon seen to be very happy in dealing with Russia and "are very thankful to Russia for help and support in Afghanistan" (in their own words). Their polite diplomatic language "we are not going to comment on the action of another department..." can be translated into something like "get lost, Hillary".

      ...it also appears that Pentagon's love for Russia further materialized over weekend (and over objections of ... what is the name of that republican congressman from Texas?) by expanding they purchase of Mi-17 helicopters for Afghan Army by 10 units. Russia responded positively, so what was considered an "option" last week is no longer an option, but a solid contract.

      ...my expectation is that Sec. Clinton will receive (or already have received) a "tone it down, Hillary" input from Pres. Barack Obama, so everything will calm down in a week.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  24. RussianSpetznaz

    Why are you sooooo worried?
    RELAX!

    A little secret: That was not helicopters for Assad – that was nuk kk es for Ahmadinejad.

    You have nothing to worry. Syrians will be Ok and well.

    June 20, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
  25. chizzlin sam

    Mad Vlad Pooton wants the missle shield in europe to include the russians–which is about as much help as putting a toxin in our water...The missle shield is just another bad idea from W's presidency....how many years will we be cleaning up his mess? W, the Worst U.S. president EVER. He needs to be sent to guantanamo to face a financial and war crimes trial. Don't like Obama either–but at least he's cleaning up W's mess pretty well...

    June 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  26. Lemark

    I like that the insurance company stopped the shipment when they found out the cargo. And it TURNED THEM AROUND. Wow, the power of insurance.

    June 20, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  27. Proud Kaliningradian

    Kaliningrad is not a Russian enclave, but a Russian exclave - it is not contiguous with the rest of Russia. Kaliningrad is not an enclave. Such a description would require that it be geographically surrounded by a single territory; instead, Kaliningrad shares borders with both Poland and Lithuania.

    I demand a correction, CNN!!!

    June 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Reply
  28. Rick Springfield

    Actually folk,s it worse than the media reports. The culmination of a 5-year coordinated battle simulation plan will put the armies of Iran, Syria, Russia, Pakistan, and China together later this year. The US military has named it "Operation Gog and Magog" will take a passage out of Ezekiel 38:1-4 and make it a modern day reality. It will be up to 190,000 soldiers on the ground and air to demonstrate China's modernization of the armies that they support. They will utilize airborne sensing systems, satellites, drones, guided missiles, simulated micro-nukes, high energy weapons, and all the stuff that China stole from companies such as Raytheon and Sandia Labs.
    The world should fear these games more than anything else that has happened since the Korean War. This is a practice of a standing army that can deploy much faster than anything the US has and uses weapons that exceed those the US possesses. This is one reason Iran has been unwavering in their nuclear weapon ambitions. they have China, Syria, Pakistan, and Russia as war allies so they can pretty much do what they want from now on.

    June 20, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
    • JessiesGirl

      Dude, you really need to stifle yourself and go back on tour.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Reply
  29. spoton

    Hey Justin...I presume you are joking..but if you are not...do yourself a favor, go review what happened in WW2 or the Korean war with the Russians. The Russians are brutal. It's not disputed by history. Genocide, rape, torture, open deceit ...standard procedure by the Russians. Get a clue about history and maybe you'll learn something about the battlefield.

    Further, the U.S. will never control the middle east countries. That would mean the countries have leadership that are rational. Egypt is about to go back 100 years with the new so called leadership.

    In the end, its about countries that have what other countries want. The oil will dry up. Then, have a nice day middle east. Good luck. The entire region is so far behind the curve they will eventually fight among themselves for food.

    Guess who is going to need to help the region survive...It won't be Russia pitching in that is for sure.

    June 20, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
  30. Brad

    It is inevitable, that history will repeat itself over and over, and the idea of learning from it, is the ignorance we all seem to share. Beirut .... Somalia .... Vietnam.... Korea....Syria....Afganistan... Get the point??

    June 20, 2012 at 11:44 am | Reply
  31. Justin

    Heres a thought, why don't we just allow Russia to go there and figure out the problem?? They are a part of the UN and we know they would not kill innocents. Our Government doesn't want this though because they want us to believe it is Assad, but its these rebels. Why can our Government go and police foreign land, but Russia cannot help their ally, or better yet resolve the situation. Guys this is your wake up call. Do not listen to our media Fabricated reports on Syria. Even Syria news claims its the rebels and they also claim The US, France, and Brits are arming and funding these rebel terrorists and have even went a step further and dubbed them "Free Syrian Army" to try to bring legitimacy to them and raise their creditibility in our medias articles. Russian news cliams the same as Syria that it is our Government (The US) just trying to arm insurgents to overthrow Assad and get us American's backing by telling us that it is the Syrian Government committing these atrocities when its not. China has not publicly condemned our Government yet, but this is alos the reason they vetoed intertervention. They are also tired of our Government causing bloodshed for its political agenda, and alos trying to gain more power in the middle east by overthrowing their governments to intill their own puppers.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:29 am | Reply
    • Kalashnikoff

      Russia is not "World Police".
      You are one nowadays.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:35 am | Reply
    • ccnguyen

      Justin said: "..we know they (the Russians) would not kill innocents."

      Really?
      During the Russian Civil War, an estimated 100,000 Jews perished.
      During WWII, more than a million of Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles died at the hands of the Red Army and the NKVD.
      A study published by the German government in 1989 estimated the death toll of German civilians in eastern Europe at 635,000. With 270,000 dying as the result of Soviet war crimes.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:48 am | Reply
      • Justin

        Your comments are implementing that these crimes were commited this year. These were committed decades ago. If they have a spot in the UN I would say they are credible. Actually that is a sad assumption due to the fact that the US is crooked. They have not been a commuinist country for decades.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:57 am |
      • ccnguyen

        Chechen Refugees Describe Atrocities by Russian Troops
        Villagers Tortured, Killed In Assault, Reports Say

        By Sharon LaFraniere
        Washington Post Foreign Service
        Saturday, June 29, 2002; Page A16

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A63823-2002Jun28?language=printer

        June 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
      • AlexShch

        How about legitimate killing of Waffen SS troops made of Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians fighting against advancing Red Army?

        June 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
      • cusack76

        Are you really trying to paint russians are bloodthirsty madmen?

        Germans were killing everybody during WWII, yet, you do not claim that germans would kill civilians.

        I'm russian and this irrational hatred towards us makes me sick.

        June 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
      • AlexShch

        "....study published by the German government in 1989 estimated the death toll of German civilians in eastern Europe at 635,000. With 270,000 dying as the result of Soviet war crimes..."

        And what about bombing of Dresden? Isn't is that the concept of "strategic bombing" in an anglo-saxonian invention pioneered by British, then mastered by Gen. Curtis LeMay?

        June 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • ccnguyen

        Russians committed mass rapes of German women with age ranging from 8 to 80 as the Red Army entered Berlin. The Nazi were responsible for atrocities that they committed during WWII. The innocent women of Berlin were not. As many as 240,000 German women as a result of mass raping in May 1945.

        June 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
      • cusack76

        I'm sure when NATO bombed Belgrade in 1998 and were killing women and children there, they sincerely thought it was right. Just like when they "accidentally" kill civilians in Afghanistan these days.

        June 20, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • NLTT

        war is a dirty bussines ... the soviets killed innocent citizen and also the united states did in hiroshima and nagasaki and dresden

        June 21, 2012 at 2:51 am |
    • Sedan1

      "Even Syria news claims its the rebels and they also claim The US, France, and Brits are arming and funding these rebel terrorists"

      You do understand that the Syrian Government owns, runs and controls the Syrian Media right? There is no "Freedom of the Press" in that country.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Reply
      • cusack76

        There's no real freedom of press anywhere, sadly.

        Just look at Fox News.... or even CNN for that matter. They always choose carefully which side of the story to show.

        June 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
      • Lordkent

        Because Joe Stalin thought he could rule the world like Uncle Adolf.Russia (USSR) wenatd to control its western boundaries against further invasion/agression from the west USA c.They used the pretext of protecting the people and controlling the economy and the military, in the name of communism. Marx and Engels who wrote Das KapitaL' envisaged a utopian collectivism,where its was All for one and one for all'. This idea was hijacked by the communists prior to the second world war, and continued by Stalin. Stalin thought that this method of national control would benefit everyone everywhere, and so tried to expand communism.However, a longer look at Russian history reveals that from the 12th centuary Muscovy has been expanding.The irony of the situation is that America (USA) is the most communist nation in the world, because everyone has everything and everything is available to everyone,which is what Marx and Engels envisaged. and it was all brought about by Capitalism.!!!!

        August 1, 2012 at 4:36 am |
    • bob

      The latest sequel to "The World According to Garp" is: "The World According to Justin."

      June 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
    • citizenUSA

      If you need to ask some of these questions, you don't understand enough.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  32. Peter

    In the last two centuries America has started more conflicts than any other nation. Even the problems in Iraq and Iran were originally created by CIA intervention. Pity we don't study or know our own history, case in point where are these WMD and how many thousands have died over an ego and a long series of lies.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:29 am | Reply
    • smitvict

      And America would have had a lot fewer conflicts if we didn't always have to keep bailing out Europe.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
    • Pliny

      Where would the human race be, if America has not been involved for the last 200 years?

      You, for one, would be liquidated for speaking your mind.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply
    • gemini

      As far as i know America have liberated almost 50 million people world wide. Is there any country that did that?.......i'm waiting!

      June 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
  33. jim

    I'm so tired of people on here acting like their country carries the biggest stick. If China , US, or Russia was about ot go down, you better beleive they are taking everyone with them. The seceret weapons these countries have would make WW2 look like childs play and they wouldn't even need nukes.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • Paolo

      Hater, war monger, pessimist

      June 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Reply
  34. Blondie

    Vladimir Putin is hung like a horse.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
  35. sonny

    Russia and China are bad dudes.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:17 am | Reply
  36. Tsgt Smako

    So the Russians deny it. OK, so sink them and when the Russians claim we sank their ships we run their denials back at them and deny we sank ships that weren't there.

    June 20, 2012 at 11:12 am | Reply
    • walter

      that would be something deferent, but it would be catostrofic if they would of done that, it would act of war

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Reply
  37. jorge washinsen

    Where else in the world can you be rewarded for breaking our laws except here? What will the next 235 years of liberalism bring us? Will there be a time we can flaunt authority as we choose,I mean we who were born Americans and still bound by our laws.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • Education Kills Stupidity

      Jesus was a liberal.
      America's founding fathers where liberal.
      So how did "liberal" become a dirty word ?
      Republican koolaid.
      They cant get enough.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:18 am | Reply
    • manyote

      "Where else in the world can you be rewarded for breaking our laws except here? What will the next 235 years of liberalism bring us? "

      Spoken like a true blooded Fright Winger that only proves that konservatizm is a birth defect.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
    • gemini

      Liberalism ia a Mental Disorder it's in DSM-IV

      June 20, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • Preeti

        To build a gun with better acccrauy and precision, but retain the famous AK features – inexpensive to manufacture, virtually clog-proof, easy-to-use, and reliable as all get out – would be a feat to rival anything the gun world has seen.Fast, cheap, or quality, pick two.

        August 2, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  38. jorge washinsen

    If there was no religion most wars would never have been and the future ones would never begin.10,000 recognized religion in the world and most agree that there is only one god.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • Olaf Big

      Organized religion of every stripe has a lot to answer for, but this is a naive view. Wars are not really about religion, they are about resources, wealth and power. Religion just helps to herd the cattle and drive it into battle, that's all.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Reply
  39. jorge washinsen

    We are the only country in the world without borders.I am listening for an argument.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • Tsgt Smako

      I haven't seen a border around Australia.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
    • Education Kills Stupidity

      You have one planet, but you keep drawing lines in the sand,
      Like the bully in the sandbox.
      Grow up.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
      • Koo

        Olya Thank you for the words on doing business in Russia. I wish more American cmenapios would see the benefit and the media stop portraying Russia as the giant economic enemy.Thank you

        August 1, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • JV

      Source? Because there are a lot of countries in this world. Hyperboles don't prove anything, they just bring to question your credibility.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:36 am | Reply
  40. saeed

    this thing is happening because israel fears for its existence but to be honest anti semitism is much lower now then for exampel 10 years ago. iran or syria have not attacked any country in 50 years now thats a good record israel should be realistic make step to step coals and try to achive them what israel whats that everything should be perfect is unrealistic. they should stop the settlers on the israeli side and on the palestinian side they must stop hamas attacking israel. but its difficult people always want it there way lets say we make israel and palestian a international territory like antartica people would refuse that also.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:24 am | Reply
    • john

      Right have not attaked a country in 50 years??? How about Iran sending troops into Iraq or what about Syria in war with itself. Come on Saeed pull your head out.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
    • Education Kills Stupidity

      *** iran or syria have not attacked any country in 50 years .........

      Syria has attacked Israel 3 times moron.
      Iran sends thousands of missiles to Hezbollah to attack Israel moron.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
  41. Kalashnikoff

    No dudes. It is YOUR war. Cause YOU started it with your "regime change".
    So YOU will pay for it – sooner or later.
    No matter when and how you will start to bomb Syrian civilians.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • read2012

      Kaly, please stop posting. Your thoughts are incoherent and your English is terrible. If you want to post here in the future, please purchase Rosetta Stone cuz your grammar sucks, like your country. Go ferment a potato.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:55 am | Reply
      • Kalashnikoff

        Учи Русский, Говнюк, он тебе скоро понадобится.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:34 am |
      • cusack76

        These personal attacks carry no relevance, come on.
        And why does everybody maintain such a narrow minded viewpoint?

        Americans don't like remembering their dark moments like Panama invasion in 1989, or the fact that their support for a brutal king in Iran brought about the current islamic republic eventually.

        I'm not even mentioning something simpler.... Saudi Arabia imprisons women for driving, and yet they are american allies. China violates human right left and right (and Tibet, anyone??), but of course the US would never dare do anything about that because they want cheap chinese goods... I guess cheap sneakers are more important than "freedom"?

        So much hypocrisy....

        June 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
      • imbrium

        @ Kal

        Since when do Russians capitalize the names of languages (and forgo the po- or ezik needed to designate them as such)?

        June 20, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  42. jorge washinsen

    Anyone care to fill us in on who started the war in Syra first? Why did it become our fight ,or russia's ,nothing there to plunder.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nothing there to plunder.. just like Afghanistan. Kinda shines doubt on your theory that we get involved to plunder now doesn’t it.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
      • bam

        the non ignorant know afghanistan was invaded because the talibans refusal to hand over Osama bin laden... that was the ONLY reason. foxfacts will tell u it was because the taliban had something to do with 911 and then saddam too... and we all know how much truth is in foxfacts

        June 20, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • jorge washinsen

      The voices inside my head say Mossad and CIA behind Syria attack,
      The voices also say pooping my pants his healthy.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
  43. Kalishnikovv

    I am Russian stool pigeon! Capitalists pig America no good! Syria is good, keep puting down evil zionists and rebels!

    June 20, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Barcus

      another misinformed muslim

      June 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  44. Kalashnikoff

    Probability theory exercise for Americans:
    Given:
    4 wars ended unsuccessfully (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya).
    Find:
    Probability 5th one will be successful.

    June 20, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
    • brian

      Libya ended unsuccessfully? I'll give you the other three, but I'm fairly certain Libya went okay.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:53 am | Reply
    • evalue8

      Characterizing Iraq and Afghanistan as failures depends on what the objectives were. Libya was not a war. If you knew anything about probability and statistics, you would know that the probability of the outcome on a fifth is independent of the others.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:54 am | Reply
      • jorge washinsen

        it is a lot easier to list the objectives after you get kicked out of a country by the same ones you are supposed to be helping. Muslims do not want our help.The very ones we tried to help in Iraq killed more of our soldiers than did Alquaida.It was always a turf war, as all wars in the middle east have been since the beginning of their religion.

        June 20, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • SocialCRAT

      Libya was a WIN 7 months and gaddafi was murdered.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • read2012

      Hey Kaly, Russia was involved in Afghanistan as well and how did you commies fare? You "people" supply arms to every terrorist nation on Earth. That's why Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in all these *ss-backward ME and N.African countries. Russia is no one to pass judgement on anyone, or did you forget your pact with the Third Reich? Then the mighty USSR crumbled at our feet. Then you sold all your weapons to more Arab countries to make a quick buck. Russian propaganda has worked well on you. Where you one of Pavlov's dogs???

      June 20, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
      • jorge washinsen

        If I remember right russia got their hiney kicked out of Aghanistan also.

        June 20, 2012 at 10:12 am |
      • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

        @ jorge washinsen
        You remember wrong. They left of their own accord. The same as we are going to do. There is nothing to ‘win’ in a conflict like Afghanistan. Unless you conceder the complete genocide of the country’s population as an option.

        June 20, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • Kalashnikoff

      Of course anyone of you may pretend Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya was "Success" cause they was bombed to the ground and abu-graibed FAST.

      Under success I mean – "country leaved in better state than it was before and money/human lives spent for that reason are acceptable".

      Libya can not be success – it is i civil war state, MUCH worser economically and politically and humanly than it was before.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:10 am | Reply
    • asdf

      Funny, I recall vietnam splitting into two countries, one of them communist – exactly what we were trying to prevent. We may have killed more of them than they killed of us, but that's hardly a success.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
    • john

      Ya we are kinda following around the ignorant Russians in not winning Wars Good point we should just drop a nuke and stay at home.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      Vietnam – first US Troops sent in as military advisers by Richard Nixon acting in lieu of the President during the Eisenhower Administration after the French got their collective butts handed to them by the NVA. Numbers later escalated by Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon.
      Iraq – US Troops sent in under false pretenses by Dubya based on "eye-witness" reports from people who had not been in the country for over 20 years but promised Halliburton exclusive rights once they took over.
      Afghanistan – US Troops sent in by Dubya when Taliban government refused to surrender bin Laden and other Al Quaida leaders after 911. Troops ordered to not go to the area where bin Laden was known to be hiding for 6 years.
      Libya – NO US TROOPS were sent in. Naval and Air Force sorties sent in. Everyone came home.

      So where are you getting your info?

      June 20, 2012 at 11:18 am | Reply
      • Kalashnikoff

        It is not necessarily for a war to involve ground troops.
        War is still war without troops. There was special operations forces there. There was rockets fired and planes flying.
        And as a result, situation became worse than it was before.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Military Industrial Complex

      No profit in peace.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:34 am | Reply
  45. Sufimist

    Yeah I believe NATO alliance to be invincible. Having said that, Russia China Nth Korea etc don't deserve any warning. You must have noticed that whenever NATO starts something on the Asia or European continents, Israel takes the opportunity to clean up the backyard. So is it the chicken or the egg?

    June 20, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
    • astutemind

      Nothing is invincible in the age of nuclear weapons and Russia possesses the most.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • john

        Ya we know you cry babyies got mad because we put up missle defense systems to blow your 1980s slow azz sling shots out of the air...And just because you have the most nukes dont mean you have any affective ones......Go kiss Hitlers feet...ohh i meant Putins...

        June 20, 2012 at 10:59 am |
      • DoubleEM

        John, go back in line for your welfare – and do not cry when it will stop and you will have nothing to eat, because all money went to dysfunctional anti-missile defense.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:16 am |
      • Fearless Freep

        Russia should be proud, she can blow up the planet ten times.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  46. Gryphon

    The U.K. of Great Britain and her inseparable Commonwealth allies Australia and Canada, standing together, are ready to confront any threat in the world.
    If Russia and China ever got together and became belligerent, however, we might have to enlist the assistance of the United States (just like in World War II).
    But which side would the powerful countries in Europe favour?
    Heheh, don't wonder too hard...
    Therefore Russia and China are technically outgunned, outmanned, outnumbered; out-everythinged!

    June 20, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • erexx

      *like*

      June 20, 2012 at 9:07 am | Reply
    • astutemind

      Although I do love England and those Commonwealth countries you mentioned that rationale has got to be the most ridiculous and funny I've heard all day. Even the US won't mess with Russia if it has nothing to do with NATO. (see Georgia and Parts of it now belonging to Russia). Russia has more nuclear weapons than even the US.

      Maybe in your twisted theory Russia is "out everythinged", but in practice they alone (like the US) could destroy the whole world. The ENTIRE British Commonwealth, NATO, and the US can't do squat and ADD China to the mix and the chances of the Commonwealth being able to do anything falls even more. Your post seems more of an exercise in reinforcing your self esteem than stating practical fact.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:53 am | Reply
      • jorge washinsen

        Russia does have to breath air like the rest of us.No winners in a Nuke war.Chernoble like to have cooked their goose.Not too smart is seems in controlling what they have as peacful purposes.It is all about Putins gonads.

        June 20, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • DoubleEM

      I am sorry – but you are delusional.
      China owns you. And Russian 30 year old technologies rival current developments of USA. All they have to do if they want you on your knees is to sell a small nuke to terrorists and enjoy.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:18 am | Reply
  47. SocialCRAT

    John Mccain was right when he said there should be a "NO FLY ZONE" over Syria.

    June 20, 2012 at 8:43 am | Reply
    • ARMYCSM

      John Mclain is a war monger. We should take no overt measures in this war.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
      • john

        you claim to be in the army but cant spell???go back to your mommas basement and open up a dictionary.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:01 am |
      • Toto

        Kalashnikov hated the AK-74 with it's downsized cargtidre. He was a firm believer in the proposition that untrained muzhiks were better off launching lots of big hunks of lead at the enemy and hoping for the best rather than aiming a smaller, more accurate projectile. Since the Russians are no longer sending peasants into the field, perhaps Serdyukov is correct in his assessment of the AK. One thing I know for sure: almost every major weapons program the Russians have undertaken was successful. If the Russian designers are intent on producing the next AK, they will.

        August 2, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • jesor

      John McCain became a political hack the moment he abandoned his long standing position on torture in order to gain the GOP nomination. I used to respect him, I now feel sorry for him.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      There should have been a no fly zone over the world trade center on 9-11 also.Monday morning quarterbacking is worthless unless moving air is the object.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:03 am | Reply
    • DoubleEM

      McCain is a pilot who take off three times and NEVER landed.
      He is a retard and war monger.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:18 am | Reply
      • Flyboy

        Wrong. He landed, just without a plane strapped to his butt.

        June 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Fearless Freep

      Syria has enough flys.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
  48. KEVIN

    We are such arrogant and ignorant egomaniacs. Could you imagine if Russia and China's military ever got together and assembled their troops on the direct perimeters of the ME. Just troop wise they out number us 10 to 1. Do we not realize how many American haters live in the ME? How 90% of the population of the ME hate Israel? Our advanced military tech. would be irrelevent. We need to wake up to this fact and start working like hell honestly with Russia and China.

    June 20, 2012 at 8:14 am | Reply
    • erexx

      We do need to work more honestly with all our neighbors.
      Until they figure out that freedom is the only hope for peace we have nuclear weapons.
      So we need not fear the numbers of hungry zombie communists.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:04 am | Reply
    • Gryphon

      Another American with tunnel-vision?
      Thinking America stands alone between the free world and chaos, heheh...
      Not.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:05 am | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      If China blew us up Wal Mart would fold.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:18 am | Reply
  49. KEVIN

    Those darn Ruskies are up to it again. Trying to stop our geo-expansionism in the ME???? Well think again Ruskies, you will not stop us from controlling the entire ME.

    June 20, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      If we had to spend a wiinter in russia we would probably be looking for some excitement after the thaw.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
  50. KEVIN

    Putin is too cool. He is a perfect leader for Russia. Putin used to be a secret agent with the KGB. He truly is a man's man. (I think Obama and Biden like him to)

    June 20, 2012 at 6:50 am | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      Yeh we are finding out a lot of them secret agents put their britches on the same we peons do except on our dime.

      June 20, 2012 at 10:15 am | Reply
    • Fearless Freep

      George Bush looked into Putins soul.
      It was love at first sight

      June 20, 2012 at 11:43 am | Reply
  51. Johnbird

    The current Russian government is a descendant of the soviet union era and don’t learn from their bloody history full of human rights abuses and violations to their own people and other nations. The Russians are always on the wrong side of history and they end up paying for it. Their crimes started with the Ramanov family massacre and won’t end with killing innocent Syrian children and women. Down with Putin, Lavarov and their fascist Russian government.

    June 20, 2012 at 6:17 am | Reply
    • Yup

      Atleast they fought against the 3rd Reich.

      June 20, 2012 at 6:20 am | Reply
      • erexx

        They had a treaty with the Germans and didn't choose to fight until they were invaded.
        They are brutal Cowards, nothing more.

        June 20, 2012 at 9:01 am |
      • Fearless Freep

        If you didnt fight, you where shot.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • KEVIN

      John, replace the word Russia with America and your statement would be equally correct

      June 20, 2012 at 6:41 am | Reply
    • kuduson

      you are just another blood thirsty mongrel like your government
      look at the killings and destruction in Iraq,Afganistan , Libya , Pakistan
      yet you want more blood
      how many dead children will quench your thirst

      June 20, 2012 at 8:50 am | Reply
      • Peter

        Erexx, hate to disappoint you but it was the Russian's who won the Second World War. Out of every 10 Germans killed 6 were killed by the Russians. The best German equipment, men and generals were on the Eastern front.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:23 am |
      • Treebeard

        *** Erexx, hate to disappoint you but it was the Russian's who won the Second World War.

        They had a hand in it. If the allies had not sent supplies to The Soviet Union,
        Moscow and stallingrad would have fallen to the Germans.
        Stallin was not prepared when Germany attacked.
        In order to consolidate control he had purged his military of any officer
        who might have been a risk to his authority, mass murder and concentration camps work well.
        Overnight, he had to rebuild an army that he had purged.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • cusack76

      So when 40 million russians died fighting the Nazis, they were also on the wrong side of history??

      Likewise, americans of course are never wrong...

      So hypocritical....

      June 20, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  52. KEVIN

    I truly believe this generation throughout the world do not truly realize Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) and what happens to a population when these nukes are used. Its been so long since one was exploded and how it can completely extinct an entire population of a country (like Afganastan ect,) within minutes. Most of the worlds population also do not realize that there are ONLY three nations who control ALL the nukes (Russia, America and China)

    June 20, 2012 at 6:05 am | Reply
    • 7omnia7

      Sorry to burst your bubble Kevin, but they are not the only countries to have nukes. France for example has a "blue" navy with strategic capacity. In other words, France can potentially destroy more infrastructures and create more casualties than what a foreign country could do to France.
      500 nukes, some in nuclear subs, some ready to take off with bombers, and who knows, maybe some just ready to take off...

      June 20, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
    • Treebeard

      Nuclear Nations:

      United States.
      Russia.
      China.
      Britain.
      France.
      India.
      Pakistan.
      Israel.
      North Korea.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
  53. Yup

    A U.N Chapter VII would be appropriate for syria right now.

    June 20, 2012 at 6:04 am | Reply
    • KEVIN

      An agreement btw. Russia, US and China is what is of MOST importance FIRST if anyone wishes to truly actuate cessation of bloodshed in Syria

      June 20, 2012 at 6:24 am | Reply
  54. Delboy

    The Ruskies have a lot of Syrian blood on their hands. Shame on them.

    June 20, 2012 at 6:00 am | Reply
    • KEVIN

      "This is it boys, toe to toe nuclear combat with the Ruskies" (Dr. Strangelove)

      June 20, 2012 at 6:31 am | Reply
  55. Kalashnikoff

    We should believe what USA officials SAYS and never – what they DO:

    And they LIED:

    About Vietnam ship incident – to start war with Vietnam and to loose it
    About Iraqi WMD – to start war with Iraq and to "successfully" loose it
    About Osama Ben Laden – to start war with Afganistan and to "successfully" loose it
    About Libya "no flight zone" – to start war with it and to "successfully" loose it

    And lying right now about:
    About "Damascus activist"
    About "Damascus Girl"
    About "Children killed by Assad"
    About "New helicopters"
    About Russian Ship on the way from Sevastopol.

    June 20, 2012 at 5:38 am | Reply
    • KEVIN

      Fun with geo-political games and its often horrorendous consequences. Speak softly and utilize only diplomacy. We, Russia and China already hold the big stick.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:45 am | Reply
    • Ken

      You pathetic little troll. It must suck not seeing in color, only black and white.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:59 am | Reply
    • Joe Pham

      You are so pathetic, political troll and absolutely narrow minded. Im a Vietnamese myself. Let me tell you one thing...leave Vietnam war out of your arguments. We Vietnamese did asked the US to support us to fight against the communist from the North full stop! No question about it. The US almost won the war but there were people like yourself got on the streets by the thousands shouted with your foul mouth. As the result, we had to abandon our country.

      June 20, 2012 at 6:34 am | Reply
      • KEVIN

        Joe, Vietnam was truly just a muscle flexing game to test each others geo-expansionism AT THE EXPENSE OF THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE. Russia and America could have truly resolved and avoided the bloodshed if they worked together.

        June 20, 2012 at 7:23 am |
      • adam l

        he's right.

        June 20, 2012 at 11:20 am |
      • Fearless Freep

        On one hand you say you did NOT want US help fighting communist north.
        On the other hand you blame us for losing the war.
        Idiot.

        June 20, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Joe Pham

      ...and one more thing you retard, somewhere in your life, have you EVER lied to someone? Have you EVER done something wrong even if you know its not right but you did it anyway?

      June 20, 2012 at 6:42 am | Reply
    • Fearless Freep

      United States entered Vietnam in 1959.
      Gulf of Tonkin incident was in 1964.

      You dont know much about history, do you ?

      June 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply
      • ccnguyen

        1951 The US started providing military aids to France and the State of Vietnam (non-communist) in response to Mao Zedong providing military aids to the communist-led Vietminh movement
        1954 The US provided direct military aids to South Vietnam led by Ngo Dinh Diem
        1959 North Vietnam began sending soldiers (regrouped Vietminh fighters) and military materiels to South Vietnam
        1960 The National Liberation Front (Viet Cong) was created with ostensibly southern leadership
        1961 South Vietnam's Diem requested a bilateral defense treaty with the US
        1963 Ngo Dinh Diem was overthrown by South Vietnam's generals with CIA assistance
        1964 Using the Gulf of Tonkin attacks as a pretext, the US increased its involvement in South Vietnam due to deteriorating conditions brought about by political chaos in Saigon.
        Anything else you want to know?

        June 20, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • cusack76

      Well Vietnam is a difficult case because the US were also fighting for their allies, the French (Vietnam was a french colony).

      More pronounced examples are Panama in 1989, bombing of Serbian civilians in 1998 and things like supporting brutal regimes in Iran before the islamic revolution.

      Look, this is all dirty politics.... All empires do that. What is most unpleasant is the fact that americans still claim that they do it all for "freedom" and yada yada.
      If they just said "we're after oil and world economical domination" at least it would be honest.

      June 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
  56. KEVIN

    According to credible sources, Russia is digging a tunnel from Moscow to Israel first going under Syria and Iran. According to these credible sources, Russia plans to supply nukes to Iran and Syria underground and then explode them underneath Israel. These credible sources from Israel wish to remain anynomus

    June 20, 2012 at 5:11 am | Reply
    • Parfin Woodell

      According to credible sources, Kevin is six years old and picks his nose.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Reply

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