U.S. and NATO secure exit route from Afghanistan
June 4th, 2012
06:09 PM ET

U.S. and NATO secure exit route from Afghanistan

By Mike Mount

U.S. and NATO equipment will have a guaranteed route out of Afghanistan after an agreement with Central Asian countries allowing the alliance to completely cut out the shorter Pakistani access routes NATO has used for years.

In a Monday press conference in Brussels, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters that a deal had been struck between Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan to allow the alliance's equipment to be moved through their territories.  A deal already set with Russia will allow the equipment to be moved directly though land into Europe, and to air bases to fly the U.S. equipment home.

Pentagon officials said talks with the Pakistanis on opening the ground routes through Pakistan to the southern port of Karachi are still ongoing, but have yet to produce an agreement to re-open the routes, known as Ground Lines of Communication or (GLOC).The NATO deal with the Central Asian countries seems to indicate a deal with Pakistan may not happen or will be indefinitely delayed.  Talks between NATO and Pakistan have been ongoing for several weeks to reopen the lines closed since a November 2011, mistaken attack on Pakistani troops by NATO forces. The attack killed 24 Pakistani troops along the border with Afghanistan.

The NATO alliance in Afghanistan began using the northern distribution route almost immediately after Pakistan closed its borders to supplies coming in and equipment and material leaving Afghanistan.

The northern passageway costs considerably more, more than double what the United States and NATO had been paying Pakistan.

Costs for the Pakistani route ranges somewhere around $250 per truck while trucks passing through the northern route can cost upwards of $1,200 per truck.  During the negotiations with Pakistan, U.S. and NATO officials said that Pakistan wanted to raise its transit rates to as much as $5,000 per truck, something the United States said it would not pay.

"These agreements will give us a range of new options and the robust and flexible transport network we need," said Rasmussen as he announced the new transport deal and said the deal would make "the use of the Russian transit arrangements even more effective."

NATO plans to remove its final combat troops at the end of 2014 and hand over full security responsibility to Afghanistan then.  Afghanistan is set to have around 350,000 of its own security forces in place at that point with a still-to-be-determined number of U.S. and international forces left behind to train the Afghan forces.

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    samuel cordrey the whole point of lirbtey is that people are allowed to do things that you find offensive (e.g. dancing at a memorial) and you can do things that other people find offensive (e.g. practice your religion / abortion / smoking).When the state mandates what you may and may not do via legislation that is called tyranny.Did the supreme court not rule that those religious zealots who protest at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan are ALLOWED to protest at those funerals?Yes you may not like it, it may not be morally' or ethically' right' either, but the question is do you want to live in a country where the STATE can mandate whether your behaviour is acceptable'?If you do then ask yourself 150 years ago when you were black and the STATE deemed YOU.. just by being black' were unacceptable' or 70 years ago.. when the state deemed Jews/ Gypsies and Gays' as being unacceptable' and subject to being removed from the planet.

    August 1, 2012 at 12:28 am | Reply
  4. Jarome

    This keeps getting better. Alternate supply route established. al-Libi the #2 Pakistani towelhead is toast. Numerous other Pakistani terrorists were smoked in 27 drone strikes this year alone. Obama 2012.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • Sheikha Bhavana Bint Deepa

      Excellent!!!
      Time for Obama to focus on this issue now if he wants a chance at reelection. Otherwise time to call UHaul. Drones alone never win elections.

      New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India

      Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
      PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.

      Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.

      Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.

      June 5, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    • gullkhan

      & how many of ur troops killed on daily bases ..as many as drones kills...just 46 foriegn troops killed last months as the counter-products of ur drones technology I think failed here at tis point it could very acurate to killed infants and poor villigers but could't stop daily bases foriegn troops killing!!

      June 5, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  5. NO INDIANS IN MY BACKYARD PLEASE !

    NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination……
    She said so little was known about the atrocities being committed by more than half a million Indian troops, the continuing repression and indignities let loose on Kashmiri men, women and children.
    More than 700,000 troops were concentrated in the tiny valley, with checkpoints at every nook and corner of Kashmiri towns and cities. The huge Indian presence, she added, was in sharp contrast with 160,000 US troops in Iraq.
    Ms Roy alleged that Indian army or security personnel were killing young children, adding that Kashmiris were not radical Islamists or jihadists as India portrayed them. She deplored the Indian government’s attempts to demonise Kashmiris who were moderate Muslims.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Reply
  6. Parwana

    AN INDIAN SAGA
    HUMPTY DUMPTY: Had a great fall
    India is pretty much done. The bubble has burst. India is sliding downhill at supersonic speed. GDP growth has disappeared...the only growth left is the hair between their legs. Inflation is in the clouds and India has asked Pakistan to help out. Pakistan has opened up Wagah Border to help Indians with food/goods etc. The Indian Rupee has collapsed against US $. US owns India financially now. As of last week the Indian bourse also collapsed.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
  7. NO INDIANS IN MY BACKYARD PLEASE !

    The only growth left in India is the hair between the legs. Value of rupee has tanked, inflation is in the clouds, stock market has crashed, corruption is rampant, hospitals are burning, people are dying in scores, societal values have rotted, Microsoft and GE are pulling the plug on call centers...Dell and Delta Airlines have almost packed up and shifted the call centers to Canada. Pakistan has opened up Wagah Border to provide food aid for India (Thank you, Pakistan, for helping out).

    June 5, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Reply
  8. Zane Abdullah

    Seems like the India is falling apart at the seams. First hundreds of sick left burning in a hospital fire, now hundreds dead drinking some hindu concoction. Poverty is rampant, societal values have collapsed; inflation is in the clouds while the rupee is in the toilet. This economic and political model has failed. The moment US pulls out of Afghanistan, China will be all over India. I doubt India will survive 2012 as we know it and may have to revert back to its communist/socialist roots as a fragmented nation divided along ethnic lines as independent states.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
  9. Zane Abdullah

    Mumbai and Chennai are the illegal cricket gambling capitals of the world. Cash Flows from these operations are being siphoned off by the Indian government to finance terrorists globally, particularly in the region. This off the book financing is also being used, in the case of sales of illegal booze, to finance terrorism. This way the indians are able to dodge the american financial radar.The american congressional politicians have been alerted to the double game Indians are playing.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Reply
  10. Godolphin

    We all know the dirty games India is playing in the region...financing terrorists who are killing US/NATO/Pakistani troops ....undermining democracies, paying off some factions of talibans protection money so they won't do another Mumbai attack, All this because they are scared of Al Qaeda and Talibans. INDIANS....we dare you to stop hiding behind American skirts and come out in the open and face these terrorists eye to eye and NOT to run away from them and take bullets in the back. We dare you cowards !!!!

    June 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Reply
  11. krm1007 ©™

    LIPSTICK ON A COW: Making India (Hindustan) look pretty

    There is so much one can do to make an ugly country look good.
    But whatever you do in case of India is analogous to spattering some cheap lipstick on a cow.
    Now one may not want to kiss this cow but sure would love some steaks!!
    LMAO!!!

    June 5, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
  12. Marty Geitz

    India must cease financing the terrorists and address the Kashmir genocide issue (among others such as Tamils, Maoists etc.) in order for peace to prevail in south asia.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  13. krm1007 ©™

    Child Soldiers of India
    India as a nation is facing a new problem concerning its children- emergence of children as soldiers in strife -torn states of Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, AndhraPradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur, Nagaland and Assam. They are getting drawn into fighting both with rebel groups as well as security forces. What was considered a problem in African countries of Sudan, Sierra Leone and other countries like Sri Lanka and Nepal has become a reality for India too.

    According to human right activists the actual number of children recruited by state or non state groups as soldiers is not as obvious as in other countries but we know there is an increasing number of children being drawn into active combat.These children exposed to war and conflict are one of the most vulnerable groups often forced to witness or perpetrate combat atrocities. They are scarred for life, their childhood shattered.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Reply
  14. jr

    Sadly Gandhi

    Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports:

    June 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Reply
  15. Amit_Muskogee_USA

    In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply
  16. Amit_Arizona

    The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
  17. Jan Matthews

    So the only way to peace in Afghanistan is dismantling the terrorist network and financing emanating from India, cutting it up into smaller nations along the lines of communist USSR and let smaller and more gentle and economically dynamic states emerge, stopping the genocide in Kashmir of muslim children/women, subjugation of minorities, prosecution of Christians and Muslims. Furthermore the ridiculously large and ineffective Indian army needs to be dismantled and put to use in assisting the poverty stricken masses and not sitting in trenches hiding from Talibans.

    June 5, 2012 at 11:59 am | Reply
  18. krm1007 ©™

    Of course, we can carve out a hindu nation along the a portion of the western coast where they can continue to practice their medieval culture and hopefully come into the folds of the modern world within the next century.

    Otherwise, I am afraid, extremism will continue to fester in that region and continue to become a threat for the western nations. We have been fighting a war for the past ten years with no end. Our soldiers have shed blood to no end. Their families are suffering. Has even one Indian soldier sacrificed his life in helping the Americans, NATO and western countries in fighting this war? The answer is a resolute NO. Folks, just think about it, 1.2 million Indian Army soldiers are sitting in trenches doing what???? Sure the heck beats me. Americans are now questioning the US Congress as to what they are doing to correct this unsustainable relationship with India. The India caucus is being monitored by citizen groups. If they don't respond to the needs of the American people political contributions to them will be severely impacted.

    June 5, 2012 at 11:58 am | Reply
  19. krm1007 ©™

    The bottom line is that the only way to have peace in Afghanistan and lessen regional tension is split India into pieces. It has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
    The thesis is that smaller independent states will generate tremendous economic demand for western nations, be democratically more efficient and easy to manage, Christian friendly, religion tolerant, a great source of demand for military equipment from the west, culturally homogenous and will unleash opportunities for the people that will eradicate poverty. Moreover, the currently subjugated and enslaved minorities will have a place they can call home, have their skin in the game and work harder and with a passion to keep that neighborhood clean from extremists.

    June 5, 2012 at 11:57 am | Reply
  20. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    WHO PAYS FOR THESE LOSSES?

    The losses.......precious cargo containing fuel, US army & embassy supplies incl. Computers, Arms, Electronic Warfare eqpt., Food, Stationary etc.?

    All this at a time when the US & Europe is going through massive resource crunch, and are borrowing from the Chinese and the rich Sheikhdoms to meet our own needs!

    Over 50 Nato Tankers burnt in Pakistan........most often these are instigated by the Pakistani Military & Govt. itself as revenge actions after US drone strikes, capture of Osama, arrest of Raymond Davis, reduction in US aid etc.

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrZmLSVuh24&w=640&h=390]

    June 5, 2012 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • Amit-Atlanta-USA

      Even if not all the trucks are torched, has anyone questioned the losses running into 10's of millions of $ of goods on the 100's of trucks stranded on the Af-Pak border for over 6 months now?

      Knowing the hot, baking temperatures in the Af-Pak desert, experts say most of the valuable stuff is destined for scrap!

      June 5, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
  21. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    OSAMA BIN LADEN NOT IN PAKISTAN......Pakistani PM Gilani speaking to Wolf Blitzer (TRULY A MUST SEE)

    And, Now – "ALMAN AL-ZAWAHARI Not in Pakistan"........Pakistani PM Gilani

    Correlate these with the story from Pakistan's own #1 Newspaper Dawn:
    "Pakistanis are liars all the way" Cyril Alemida Stroy Title "Lying liars and the lies they tell" Dawn Sep 29th 2011

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDOv9C8j1F4&w=640&h=390]

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzC0yDKR-0&w=640&h=390]

    June 5, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
    • Alex

      The Pakistani minister with mustache just lied to Wolf multiple time. Unbelievable!! When was he interviewed?

      June 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply
  22. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Former Pakistani Ambassador to the UN Munir Akram as revealed in Pakistan's own #1 newspaper Dawn:

    PAKISTANI Military believes an attack on the US WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS POSSIBLE!!!!

    Story Title: "Shame in Chicago" Dawn May 27th 20120

    Correlate that with this scathing attack on US' antipathy on Pakistan Nuclear Weapons:

    "America and the Islamic Bomb – The Deadly Compromise" by David Armstrong (Read parts of it on Google books)

    How Muslim Diaspora in the US & Europe will react:

    "The Radicalization of Diasporas and Terror" Rand Corporation Study – 2007

    What the unfolding events foretold (way back in 2009) on the COMING CLASH between the US & PAKISTAN.

    "Pakistan and 2012" You Tube

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYymPzrnK5g&w=640&h=390]

    June 5, 2012 at 9:38 am | Reply
  23. krm1007 ©™

    INDIA AND THE TALIBANS: A Satirical Ode

    Once upon a Mumbai dreary, while the Indian Army pondered weak and weary.....
    While they nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
    As of some one gently rapping, rapping at their bunker door.
    "'Tis some visiter," they muttered, "tapping at our bunker door —
    Only this and nothing more."
    What say you? Quoth the talibans… What say you?
    It ain’t no visiter….so to speak…’tis…the talibans…only 2 or 3 but Not More.
    We come in peace and nothing more…only in peace and nothing more...to tickle you to heart’s content.
    To sing you some bhajans and maybe more....so go back to sleep Evermore.
    Quoth the talibans, Evermore".
    And when you wake up we will be long gone…but we will be back…Evermore.
    Quoth the talibans…. Evermore.

    June 5, 2012 at 7:53 am | Reply
    • Adam Adamo

      Good one ! So real.!

      June 5, 2012 at 8:17 am | Reply
  24. krm1007 ©™

    PAKISTAN !!!!

    THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
    FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
    US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.

    Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.

    No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.

    Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
    You deserve a permanent seat in the UN Security Council for your contributions to world peace and emergence of a new world order. We welcome your rise as the new regional military power. God Speed.

    June 5, 2012 at 7:47 am | Reply
    • Adam Adamo

      Much obliged for these gifts, Pakistan. Thank you for making this world safe for our kids and grand kids. I wish words could express my gratitude.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:19 am | Reply
    • Amit-Atlanta-USA

      Well known Pakistani nuclear physicist and Fulbright scholar Pervez Hoodbhoy:

      "Anti-US sentiment in Pakistan rises in proportion to aid received. Kerry-Lugar’s $7.5 billion may well have been money that the US wants to steal from Pakistan rather than give to it; Although Pakistan & US are formal allies, the US HAS OUSTED INDIA AS PAKISTAN's NUMBER ONE ENEMY"!!!!!!!!!!!!

      "An extremist takeover of Pakistan is probably no further than five to 10 years away. Even today, some radical Islamists are advocating war against America. “Our nukes generate income.!!!” But, like nuclear North Korea, Pakistan feels protected. It knows that international financial donors are compelled to keep pumping in funds. Else a collapsing Pakistan would be unable to prevent its 80+ Hiroshima-sized nukes from disappearing into the darkness. Given Pakistan’s radicalised and trenchantly anti-American environment, it is hard to argue that this would be impossible in a state of crisis. Saving Pakistan from religious extremism will require the army, which alone has power over critical decisions, to stop using its old bag of tricks. It must stop pretending that the threat lies across our borders when in fact the threat lies within. Napoleon’s bayonet ultimately could not save him, and Pakistan’s nuclear bayonet has also had its day. It cannot protect the country. Instead, Pakistan needs peace, economic justice, rule of law, tax reform, a social contract, education and a new federation agreement………..Pervez Hoodbhoy

      http://herald.dawn.com/2011/08/18/pakistan%e2%80%99s-nuclear-bayonet.html

      June 5, 2012 at 9:51 am | Reply
    • Jon

      Do you just copy and paste this into every article concerning Pakistan?

      June 5, 2012 at 9:54 am | Reply
      • Obelisk ©™

        The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2million continue hiding in the trenches scared from Talibans. A few teenage Talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power. The Talibans brought them down in a few days with some BB guns. It is all over for India. Its demise is in process and should be completed with Afghanistan withdrawal.

        June 5, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  25. michaelfury

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-ones-who-attacked-us/

    June 5, 2012 at 7:38 am | Reply
  26. qwerty

    Arabs without oil. What good are they? Total losers!

    June 5, 2012 at 7:09 am | Reply
  27. repBIH

    they r paying pakistan 1 billion dollars a year and they still want to charge this amount

    June 5, 2012 at 7:00 am | Reply
  28. Manto

    Islam is a religion of terror, therefore all moslems are terrorists.

    June 5, 2012 at 6:18 am | Reply
  29. Kenny

    OK, so now can we turn Pakistan into a Glass Factory?

    June 5, 2012 at 5:59 am | Reply
  30. guest

    Well atleast we are not paying Pakistan any more money, but I hate to say they are the true winners, they played both U.S. and AlQ and Taliban and came out with the most.

    Never trust Pakistan.

    June 5, 2012 at 2:50 am | Reply
    • Reality

      Even after 24000 dead Pakistani soldiers and civilians there is no recognition of their efforts , than why should they fight for the war which is not in their interests ?

      June 5, 2012 at 3:13 am | Reply
      • Howard

        Why? Because doing the "right thing" is reason enough. Pakistan has lost all ability to see anything in any context other than its own narrow self-interests. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Pakistan become the next Central Asian base for international terrorism.

        June 5, 2012 at 3:31 am |
      • qwerty

        No recognition? Pakistan has won recognition and earned accolades for hiding Osama bin Laden, Khaleed Sheek Mohammed, Zawahiri,

        June 5, 2012 at 3:57 am |
      • isolationist

        To say Pakistan has no interest in curbing Terrorism inside and along it's borders is like saying the US has no interest in Mexico's drug violence.

        While both policies may be in effect neither is in either Countries best self interest.

        June 5, 2012 at 7:18 am |
  31. brown

    The spoils of war go to winner. You see, the Paki and Taliban believe they won. Now America pays its ransom
    for safe passage, hardly something a victorious army would do.

    Keep on re-electing your leaders America ... soon you won't have a country to call home!

    June 5, 2012 at 2:04 am | Reply
    • afghan

      Actually the days of Pakistan are numbered if God is willing..Pakistan is the cancer of the world....

      June 5, 2012 at 2:34 am | Reply
      • Pakistani

        you are soo wrong.. Afghanistan and thier corrupt drug lord president Karzai is a cancer. pakistan gave you a place to live when russian occupied your land and then pakistan fought russuins out. It is true afghans are bastards.

        June 5, 2012 at 3:14 am |
      • American

        Its you who are cancer of world, Its your Afghan soldiers who are killing American soldiers, Its your Afghan people who are rioting after every Quran burning incidents.

        June 5, 2012 at 3:15 am |
      • Kim

        TO Pakistani:

        you do know that land in the border areas is actually Afghanistan, aka Pashtunistan. Its not your country that refugees went to, it was there own land.

        June 5, 2012 at 3:45 am |
      • Yousafzai

        To Kim:
        Wakeup Son, There is no such thing as Afghan lands.Pushtun tribes in Pakistan are more proud to be Pakistani then be part of ethnically broken country Afghanistan. Afgan government belong to North Alliance and drug lords. I bet if this sold-out Afghan Army ever happen to attack trible area of Pakistan, they will get their A$$ handed back to them by tribesmen alone.

        June 5, 2012 at 4:20 am |
  32. brown

    Americans ... stop complaining. The fools who lost this war are the same idiots you keep on re-electing. You are nothing
    more than sheeple. You do not have a right to complain about anything, remember it was you who couldn't find the time
    to vote or take care of your precious America. Now, you see how the world treats your America ... like the wh ore you
    have made her! Stop complaining!

    June 5, 2012 at 2:00 am | Reply
    • JohnJohnson

      You do realize that America is split nearly in half on every major issue so the whole "you elected them" arguement is rediculous. Secondly, America's issue is that nobody is willing to compromise anymore. The key to any elected government is compromise, without it they won't function. If America wants to fix its problems the most visible solution is to add term limits to all elected positions. Get rid of the career politicians and back to the way it used to be. Back to the times where the leaders could not be elected if they showed any want for office.

      June 5, 2012 at 2:18 am | Reply
    • JayBee

      @brown, you have no clue about what it is to be American, from the outside we may all appear to be the same. But within America there is a great deal of cultural, economic, religious, etc. diversity. The war mongering, ignorant, arrogant idiots speak the loudest, but are by no means representative of the American people. Americans want peace, but if we feel there is a cause or our interests are in trouble then we will unleash our full might.

      Its just a shame that for 8 years George Bush had to represent our country. He was an embaressment and further contributed to the worlds hatred of America. But otherwise, we Americans are a good people. There are a great deal of Altruistic motivations for our foreign policy decisions. Unfortunately there are also a great deal of simple, selfish, racist, and nationalist Americans who make the every day good person look bad. We've got issues, but our people are allowed to live a good life.

      And actually, we do have the right to complain, thats one of the nice things about America, do you have that right in your country? perhaps you do. But if you dont have that right, then that illustrates one of the things that America fights to change all over the world. Every body hates America until some warlord starts slaughtering thousands in their country. Then who do they turn to? and who often shows up? USA

      June 5, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
  33. acajunthatsagun

    Ka chunk, Ka chunk, Ka chunk. An alternative route and vastly more expensive. It's worth it, giving billions to Pakistan has only achieved a knife in the back.

    Don't forget Romney told us Russia is our most dangerous enemy.

    June 5, 2012 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • JayBee

      i believe the noise is "cha-ching."

      June 5, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
  34. musharaf

    Pakistan is the most corrupted country in the world, they want to make money using terrorrism

    June 5, 2012 at 12:24 am | Reply
    • Bush

      America just steals money by killings leaders of other countries and installing puppets who just steal money for America.

      June 5, 2012 at 3:17 am | Reply
  35. southernwonder

    i don't see why we can not occupy the road to the ocean across pakistan whom we have paying billions for years. we are at war here for god sake, and it is our army that needs to get out\a there. we should feel free to use the road. it is temporary use only any way; it is not as if we are going to occupy it forever.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:16 am | Reply
    • Scott

      See what happened to our last shipment of stuff that went through Pakistan?

      http://www.stripes.com/news/afghan-market-flourishing-with-coalition-goods-1.178460

      June 5, 2012 at 12:31 am | Reply
  36. Jt_flyer

    I hope this exit is planned better than Vietnam. Remember the helos evacuating people from the roof, tanks rolling into Saigon....

    Nothing else about this war was any different from Vietnam

    We learned nothing from Nam that an all volunteer army couldn't make us forget.

    June 4, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  37. Greg

    Although the route may be longer to exit through the other countries it is a much better option. The Pakistani government is asking for $5000 per truck and if the US government agrees to this extortion every single person in the government should be removed from office.

    June 4, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Reply
  38. amarjeet

    Decision for withdrawal through central Asian countries of forces & equipment to EU & then to USA will still be cheaper as no loss would be during move. Even if US & NATO give to Pakistan what they demand, still they will cause damage to military convoys & equipment as nothing is in control of the Govt. in Pakistan.

    June 4, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  39. dou44

    Paying double the expense to leave after a disgraceful hopelessly doomed occupation.

    June 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Reply
    • Nodack

      We went there to get Bin Laden and his group Al Queda. Bin Laden is dead and so are most of Al Queda including 98% of their leaders. The Taliban were an after thought along with trying to bring Democracy to a nation that has no clue what Democracy is.

      Calling it a complete failure isn't very accurate.

      June 5, 2012 at 12:09 am | Reply
      • jeff

        Have you been in a coma?

        June 5, 2012 at 12:42 am |
      • JayBee

        yeah Nodack, your actually wrong, the very first thing we did was send in special forces to mark Taliban targets for Air strikes along side the Northern Alliance. Then, as ground and Air troops began to move in it became a more widespread war against the Taliban. Miniature SF operations were being conducted simultaneously against AQ targets in the Hindu Kush. But the first and by far most important objective was to defeat the Taliban.

        June 5, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  40. Ed

    The Pakistanis need to understand the concept of "Millions for defense, not one cent for tribute!"

    June 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
  41. Maybe

    Pakistan is really not a country. That is why that place makes no sense.

    June 4, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Reply
  42. hawk

    There is so much hatret out there. americans hate Pakistanis, Indians hate Pakistanis. Pakistanis hate both. What is that going to solve? There are 180 million pakistanis, 300 million americans (anglos, Pakis, Indians, etc.), and over a billion Indians. Are they all bad? There are good / bad in all races and their is no reason for us to kill each other.

    June 4, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Reply
    • eric

      take that pakistan

      June 4, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Reply
    • dou44

      If only the Americans could stop attacking poor people with missiles.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
      • Harry Tank

        ... and the terrorists attacking the innocent with bombs ....

        June 4, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Nodack

      The rule is if people are different than you then you are supposed to hate them. If they are different than you then they must be evil.

      June 5, 2012 at 12:12 am | Reply
  43. mudbone9

    We could just carpet bomb a path to the ocean through Pakistan and capture one of their ports. We don't like them anyway so might as well make it official.

    June 4, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Reply
    • dou44

      Yours is a failrly typical American rknucklehead esponse to military failures.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Reply
    • dou44

      Yours is a failrly typical American knucklehead esponse to military failures.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Reply
    • Bush

      They can nuke Washington DC in response to your terrorist adventure.

      June 5, 2012 at 3:20 am | Reply
  44. MS

    Strategica;;y not adviseable to usee Pakistani route.Taliban would be ready with their plans to ambush withdrawing columns.Nato should save the aid money and avoid casualties. Nato would also need these CIS countries soon for another operation.

    June 4, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  45. Tom

    Congress redues 1 million dollar in aid for each year Pakistan jails the Doctor for helping U.S killed Bin Ladin – $30 millions. Why not cut off the aid completely ? This will resolve the issue. Sometime, I wonder what congressmen are smoking.. :-)

    June 4, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Reply
    • Ross

      Or not smoking.

      June 4, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply
    • Bush

      Only 1 million ? Pakistani leader/business men have half trillion dollars in their swiss bank accounts.

      June 5, 2012 at 3:21 am | Reply
  46. Rod C. Venger

    Did the US also get a guarantee from the Taliban not to turn that escape route into a gauntlet of IED's, machine guns and suicide bombers?

    I thought not.

    June 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Reply
    • Fig1024

      There were rumors about US starting to negotiate with Taliban. I don't see it as such a bad thing, talk is cheap, bullets are expensive

      June 4, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Reply
    • JayBee

      The North West of Afghanistan is RELATIVELY safe. at least compared to other areas. The North was our first stronghold. In fact even before we went into Afghanistan the north was controlled by allies. for the most part. We'll just have to see, but it definately seems like the safer option.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:41 am | Reply
      • JayBee

        actually i have a much better idea. West, right into Iran..............................bamm!!!!!! THAT JUST HAPPENED. yeah, i said it. what? lol

        June 5, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  47. gt

    All we have to do is apologize to the Pakistanis for accidentally killing their troops.
    Then, the routes open,and they will likely release the doctor who helped us find Bin Laden.
    Just apologize, seems pretty simple, why not ??

    June 4, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Reply
    • wobbles

      Not as easy as that. They are playing both sides for maximum profit. They will charge the heck out of us for an exit route and then sell the info to pakistani terror groups to attack us anyways. They are the enemy, not friends. It's time we cut them off completely and started attacking them outright because they are the true enemy of peace in the region.

      June 4, 2012 at 8:44 pm | Reply
    • AnarkyNow

      Umm, read the article gt, the pakis want 5K per truck, not just an apology. The point is, they send that doctor to jail for 33 years because he helped get rid of our biggest enemy. If you turn around the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", you come up with "the friend of my enemy is my enemy" and that is what Pakistan has shown itself to be. I say cut off all aid and make it clear to their military that a} We will not tolerate further interferance in Afghanistan b) When the inevitable coup happens over there, they better make sure their nuclear technology does not fall into the wrong hands, otherwise we will turn their country into a parking lot. Then, let them eat each other, :).

      June 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
    • bugmenot

      Mebbe them dead Paki troops put themselves in what they should have known was not a healthy situation.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
      • Harry Tank

        You burn the candle at both ends and you will get burned. Too bad it wasn't the Pakistani generals and ISI sell-outs.

        June 4, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
  48. Supersam

    Get out of this pig hole ASAP.We can't save the world with borrowed money.Depending on enemy to fight with other enemy is NO Win !

    June 4, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply
    • Fig1024

      Just think of how many American lives could be saved if the War money was spent on healthcare.

      June 4, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply
      • AnarkyNow

        One pakistani nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists can wipe out all those lives you save, and then some. If you think we can just cut out from the rest of the world and live behind our borders, you live in your own reality and need to read a few books and educate yourself. Sorry, but he world is not a simple place

        June 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
      • JohnJohnson

        If government controlled healthcare is so good, why do many Canadians cross the border to get treated in America? The reason is that we have the some of the best doctors in the world. Why do we have the best doctors in the world? Because we pay them a lot of money to be good. In the real world we like to call this incentive. This cost gets shifted to the insurance companies who shift it to the consumers. Once government gets involved, they lower the amount doctors get paid to lower the cost thus lowering the incentive to be good. Also do you want the government to assign you a surgeon who might have shaky hands or the ability to choose the best doctor there is? Cheap things sacrifice quality and healthcare is a place where quality should not be sacrificed

        June 5, 2012 at 1:27 am |
  49. AlexShch

    Very important strategic move! One must secure in advance quick and safe withdrawal passage - otherwise receiving a farewell kick into the butt from Taliban would spoil the "mission accomplished" celebration.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Reply
    • AnarkyNow

      Sorry Alex, your wishful thinking notwithstanding (I bet you are not an American) , you need to develop a healthy respect for our military. Nobody kicks our butt when it comes to killing bad guys. The only reason the Taliban is still around is because of the duplicity of the Pakistan government and because, as a Democratic country that respects human rights, we are only using antiquated technology to fight them. A few neutron bombs in Pakistan and presto !! No Taliban !! Understand that, if those camel F#$%^ers had the technological advantage that we and the Israelis possess, they would not hesitate for an instant to incinerate us to get the upper hand. So, they only exist at our mercy !!

      June 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Reply
      • AlexShch

        The so-called enhanced radiation weapon (basically a tamperless implosion assembly) colloquially known as "neutron bomb" (they were very popular to brag about during 198x, but nearly forgotten since then) has kill radius of only few hundred meters (I have read figures about 800m maximum). The guy who invented it (I believe Samuel Cohen is his name) became obsessed with the idea leading all the way to his insanity, but professional militaries were not impressed at all - in is basically a very low-efficient weapon due to its fundamental design principle. Not very useful in Afghan conditions, given the spread of Taliban within the population, and overall rural nature of the area.

        ...and yes, I did have some respect to your military in the past, but this have been dried out. I am not admirer of Taliban either, and further more see it as US/CIA creation backfiring in a bizarre way (you have to be very thankful to Zbignev Brzezinski for the idea and its consequences, especially on long term). What I fundamentally believe, and always believed it, is that the whole war is pointless from day one, that is October 7, 2001. Even killing bin Laden does not justifies it. Mulla Omar told you that as Muslims they cannot give away another Muslim (i.e. bin Laden) to non-Muslim hands. However, this does not mean that Laden cannot be prosecuted by Taliban themselves - remember that bin Laden was under house arrest days after Sept. 11? Instead of marines you could sent a team of prosecutors (like JAG lawyers Harmon 'Harm' Rabb Jr. and Sarah MacKenzie would be sufficient) and you could get Osama bin Laden hanged or beheaded in public in Kabul central stadium by October 15, 2001, making this 10-year-long mess completely unnecessary.

        June 4, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
  50. Reluctant Citizen

    What an insane government we suffer under. They rob us of our labor and liberty 24/7 and spend it on this. Would our forefathers have tolerated the tyranny that we take for granted?

    June 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Reply
    • Jt_flyer

      NO they would not have tolerated it.

      "When the People fear the Government there is tyranny. When the Goverment fears the People there is liberty"– Thomas Jefferson.

      I don't think our Goverment fears us in the slightest.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Reply
    • AnarkyNow

      Buddy, if you are so reluctant, I bet you can go live in Cuba , Venezuela or North Korea. For one thing, it would greatly advance your education and understanding of the world. But no, you rather stay here where it is safe to bitch because the government is not taking care of your problems.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Reply
  51. Cut off your nose to spite your face

    Pakistan has to pay the difference in cost... or in the future forfeit any aid from the U.S. for ANY reason.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Reply
  52. RDS35

    Cut off all aid to Pakistan and they will agree to anything. I can't believe No Balls Obama is still playing this game. Bush would have dropped a bomb and the doors would be open.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Reply
    • hawk

      wake up! There has been no aid to Pakistan for two years. Why do you think their so bold now?

      June 4, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Reply
    • AnarkyNow

      Here's a stat that demonstrates your ignorance: Number of drone strikes under Bush – Under 20. Number of drone strikes under Obama – About 300. Ask Bin Laden, Al Awlaki, and countless others if Obama is a pu$$Y....Oh, wait, you can't because they are all dead. I know it doesn't matter to you because you sound like a Fox Zombie anyway, I am just enjoying rubbing it in your face, you I D I O T !!!

      June 4, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Reply
  53. paul

    India poses a clear and present danger to the regional security of the world. ...to USA...NATO...Pakistan and Afghanistan people and armed forces. Hindu cult extremism is on the rise and fanning all terrorism worldwide. Indians are the bankers to and financing terrorism and supporting Talibans and Al Qaeda and harboring them in India. These terrorists are being entertained in the Indian parliament building in New Delhi where they are residing and then smuggled over to Pakistan in Indian Army helicopters. Shame on these Indians.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Reply
    • wobbles

      And yet I haven't heard of Indian terrorists atttacking Americans...but ther are tons of stories about the Paki's doing just that. Pakistan is the enemy.

      June 4, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Reply
      • Yunior

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        July 31, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • wobbles

      And yet I haven't heard of Indian terrorists atttacking Americans...but there are tons of stories about the Paki's doing just that. Pakistan is the enemy.

      June 4, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Reply
    • Yousafzai

      Ya, Where are your million stories. Pakistan has a tradition of hospitality, If Afghans or Arabs want to come and live here and then go back out in world to blow stuff doesn't make Pakistanis Terrorist. Leave Indians aside, they are not Humans for Killing innocent Kashmiris.

      June 5, 2012 at 4:32 am | Reply
  54. rk

    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
    Land that we love.
    Stand beside her, and guide her
    Thru the night with a light from above.
    From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
    And to the oceans, white with foam
    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Reply
    • Congrats. Yours is the dumb post of the day

      Good Lord!

      June 4, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Reply
    • bugmenot

      As we journey thru this world of ignorance and intolerance, I will be happy to share the only water within 100 miles with you, but only after I've dumped in it.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Reply
    • qwerty

      Towel heads have no talent - they can't write poetry.

      June 5, 2012 at 3:48 am | Reply
  55. patrick

    India (land of the bankers to terrorists) is geographically, culturally and politically trapped, isolated and encircled. Now that it has been cut off from rest of Asia, the Indians (unfortunately) have nowhere to go but into the ocean. A look at a map conveys the inevitability of this scenario. For India to survive, it has no choice but to have excellent relations with Pakistan. This is a matter of time. The question is whether Pakistan has a big heart to accommodate the very survival of India/Hindu race. Perhaps not this time around.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Reply
  56. krm1007 ©™

    Pakistan “RISING” has established itself as part of a very dynamic regional paradigm amalgamating it geographically with Central Asia, Middle East and Europe. While also situated at the gateway to the Arabian Gulf, Pakistan will also have access to the waters of the Caspian Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Black Sea, Arabian Sea, China Sea and the Pacific Ocean. This positions Pakistan at the crossroads to peace and prosperity in the world and economic well-being as well as military clout

    June 4, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Reply
  57. It ain't over

    It's almost 2 years until the US/NATO troops need to leave Afghanistan. Pakistan's leadership is in a tough spot. They have been working with the US/NATO for a long time, but at the same time, their population generally doesn't like NATO, so the Pakistani's government has to pretend they don't like us, and behave accordingly. This kind of double-play is common in world politics. Don't think for an instant that the Pakistanis couldn't have played hell with the Bin Laden raid. And don't think for an instant they couldn't shoot down the slow-moving drones we send into the mountains. They do not want the Taliban in their country. It is a destabilizing force that can bring down governments (it has done so in Afghanistan, and will do it again, just as soon as we leave). When NATO troops accidentally killed Pakistani troops, the government was unhappy, but it was more show-boating than anything else. WIthin the next two years, mark my words, the truck routes through Pakistan will be re-opened.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      Yes, you are right on the money. Pakistan has offered financing to Americans for making the transit costs affordable at breakeven.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Reply
    • Harry Tank

      You mean Pakistan will re-open the routes to the Taliban, right????

      June 4, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Reply
  58. krm1007 ©™

    Thank god. Now everyone can move forward. Win Win for all. Let's celebrate.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Reply
  59. GW

    Pay the Pakistanis out of the overly generous military aid we that we already provide now (aka bribe money to keep the Paks our "friends"), or reduce that "aid" money by the full amount that we will have to pay the other countries above the old Pakistani transit rate. Then, when we are out of Afganistan all together, cut off the rest of the "aid" to Pakistan, reminding the govt. that they hide Bin Laden from us for ten years.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      Wonder if the CAS are providing credit to Americans as Pakistan had offered? Hmmmmm

      June 4, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Reply
  60. Paul

    Pakistan is not our ally they never have been during this conflict. They were just using us for monetary aide. You know how I know? Becuase the most wanted man in the world was living smack dab in the middle of a Pakistani military stronghold that can be related to West Point. They knew he was there and had absolutely no intention of turning him in much less destroying him. They are a bunch of freakin liars.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      You are absolutely right on all counts. What are you going to do about it?

      PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.

      With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Reply
      • Steve

        I agree, krm1007!
        The Pakistanis have not only been gracious and generous, they've actually been instrumental in the last five teams' World Series titles; they have found a cure for cancer – and will soon be distributing it for free; they converted all of their terrorist training facilities to swingers clubs and 73%of their GDP now comes from teddy bear production! Pakistan, I love you! Is there anything you can't do? Aside from not trying to kill all your neighbors, of course.

        June 4, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
      • bugmenot

        As we journey thru this world of ignorance and intolerance I will be happy to share the only water within 100 miles with you, but only after I've dumped in it.

        June 4, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  61. rk

    poor pakis...now they are screwed..who will feed them now..?? and US will be breathing down their neck even after they leave afgahnistan from the naval bases near their buddy china.....who willl they blackmail and beg from now...????hhahhahaha

    June 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      So far they Pakistanis have fed the world. They had offered credit to Americans for financing transit costs. Of course, they have spent $ ONE TRILLION in fighting wars for Americans and the World. Oh, did not they win the Vietnam war for Americans in Afghnaistan by defeating the Soviets and their communist cronies the Indian hindus? Yes sir, they sure did.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Reply
      • mdk137

        Brother..I gotta get some of what you're smoking...it must be some awesome stuff!

        June 5, 2012 at 12:09 am |

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