NATO's post-Afghanistan future unclear
May 18th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

NATO's post-Afghanistan future unclear

Editor's note: Read all of Security Clearance's coverage of the 2012 NATO summit in Chicago

By Elise Labott

As 60 world leaders descend upon Chicago for the NATO summit, the future of NATO's mission in Afghanistan will be center stage - but NATO's members also will be confronted with a bigger issue of whether the organization can remain relevant.

The challenges going forward are much different and far more complicated than the ones that faced the founders of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization 60 years ago. Then, the premise was simple: an attack in Europe or North America against any member is an attack against all. The Soviet Union was the common enemy that created a shared sense of purpose among NATO allies.

Today, NATO's battlefield knows few bounds, with threats ranging from terrorism and nuclear proliferation to cyberattacks, piracy and disruption of energy supplies.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the alliance has operated mostly away from Europe's backyard.

Missions in Afghanistan and over Libya have reflected a shift from a European defense organization to a global security organization that confronts threats before they reach NATO's border. NATO has also undertaken counterterrorism operations in the Mediterranean Sea, supported African Union peacekeeping missions, conducted anti-piracy operations near the Horn of Africa and assisted with humanitarian relief in Pakistan.

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This new global engagement has not always been popular with member-state citizenry, many of whom who saw the missions in Afghanistan and Libya as wars of choice rather than of necessity, ones that cost nations in blood and treasure and put unwanted strains on national budgets during a global financial crisis.

The decade-long NATO involvement in Afghanistan has produced what some have described as collective fatigue among European allies and questions about whether NATO should be involved in conflicts outside of Europe's backyard.

Europe's collective fatigue with NATO's globetrotting has often left the United States shouldering most of the burden, which is considered one of NATO's greatest shortcomings. The United States now covers 75% of NATO defense budgets, while the majority of allies don't even allocate NATO's benchmark 2% of gross domestic product to defense.

Sharp reductions in European defense budgets have only increased dependence on the United States.

Former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates left office with a parting shot to NATO by saying that it's unequal burden sharing could erode the alliance. Bemoaning Europe's lack of political will and slashing of its defense budgets, Gates said Congress was tired of footing the bill and warned of a "dim if not dismal future" for the trans-Atlantic alliance if Europe does not step up.

In Afghanistan, several NATO members did not permit their soldiers to fight, focusing instead on development work in quieter areas of the country. And in the recent operation in Libya, only eight members of the alliance took part. The U.S. decision to "lead from behind" in Libya forced members to use their military assets. Yet American aircraft and surveillance were still needed to sustain several of the missions, exposing troubling shortcomings in Europe's defense capabilities and reliance on US military support.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO's secretary general, has challenged members to embark on "smart defense," essentially pooling assets with the goal of developing and sharing better key military capabilities. While the United States seems ready to meet the challenge, the commitment of NATO's European members, embroiled in the euro crisis, is unclear.

Although NATO was founded with a pledge to unite a Europe whole and free, plans for enlargement have not been a priority. In a time of austerity, the alliance has sought to reshape itself by strengthening partnership with other states. NATO currently is engaged in partnerships with more than 50 countries in various regional configurations.

Efforts to work closer with Russia, however, have faltered. NATO and the Kremlin agreed to seek ways to cooperate on missile defense but have failed to reach a deal. Moscow wants a legally binding treaty that the missile defense system will not be used to counter Russia's deterrent, but Washington says while the system is not aimed at Russia, it cannot agree to any formal limits on the system.

NATO's reputation for years to come will rise and fall on the future stability of Afghanistan.

The alliance pledged to withdraw its combat forces by 2014. Before then it must train Afghan security forces to maintaining stability in that country. But even after 2014, the alliance's role in Afghanistan will not end and NATO has ensured ensure continued international support even after its troops leave. .

Still, once the mission in Afghanistan is over, NATO will be without a major operation for the first time in 20 years. Some argue that NATO should get back to its basic mission of protecting the homeland security of its allies

"Maybe we need to work closer to home and focus on threats to security in the trans-Atlantic arena in a more diverse way - cyber, energy, terrorism and infrastructure protection," says Kurt Volker, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO and now a fellow at the John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. "That might generate more public support than sending more troops to a place like Afghanistan."

In an Atlantic Council report on NATO entitled "Anchoring the Alliance," former U.S. ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns argues that even that even though Europe must show more commitment to NATO's joint security, the United States can't "hand off" responsibilities to NATO.

"The U.S. is the essential member of NATO," Burns wrote. "It cannot 'lead from behind.' American leadership should leverage greater European and Canadian contributions but they are not substitutes for American involvement, purpose and power."

Europe has been the core of U.S. security interests since World War II. Before the 2010 NATO summit in Lisbon,Portugal, President Barack Obama cited Europe as Washington's reliable partner of choice in dealing with international security problems, saying the United States doesn't have any partners in any other parts of the world that shares "such close alignment of values, interests, capabilities and goals." Obama is sure to reaffirm this commitment when he hosts NATO leaders in Chicago.

Yet earlier this year the president also made clear the U.S. is shifting its defense policy toward advancing strategic interests in Asia and the Pacific as a "top priority" in an effort to counter China's growing military might.

This suggests a shrinking common purpose between Europe and the United States, which leaves pointed questions about the future solvency of NATO as a trans-Atlantic security organization.


Filed under: Afghanistan • Chicago NATO summit 2012 • Europe • ISAF • Libya • Military • NATO
soundoff (257 Responses)
  1. Indus Valley

    Nato is irrelevant.American and Europeans need to feed their poor and get them out of ghettos and stop them from burning shops down, instead of further spending on a military build up which wouldnt harm a fly in Iran, let alone China or Russa.Scale down, go back to the caves you came from and feed your people/

    May 20, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
    • Jesse

      Withdrawing US troops and their families from Europe will force them to spend money stateside. There is no USSR threat looking to crush europe. Europe can handle themselves. Russian, Chinese, and Indian alliance is the next threat that could easily interfere with our trade routes. The BRIC countries are already growing in strength and support which could leave us in the cold.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
      • Nuts

        Your head-in-the ground approach is dangerous and irresponsible. Feed our poor? The social programs catering to freeloaders are already bankrupting this country more than everything else. Sorry, I do not like freeloaders. Just because one is a US citizen does give them entitlements to anything, especially if they are not contributing to the pot.

        There are 80,000 U.S. troops in Europe. That is really small number and smaller than the size of a small city in the United States (even if you account Family/Contractors). So explain the marginal benefit of bringing troops back to the states comparative to keeping them in Europe. I would argue it is important to project combat power across the globe – so we can reach out and touch somebody if needed. Military operations over the last 2 decades have increased in SW Asia, Africa, and the Middle East were stagged/launched from Europe and its helpful to keep our Russian adversaries on its toes even after the Cold War. Think of how expensive it would be to ship personnel, equipment, and vehicles across the Atlantic to fight a war/conflict without having some sort of US military presence already there. Use some commonsense.

        May 20, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  2. SSGestapo

    ragheads....give the oil...keep the camels

    May 20, 2012 at 4:19 am | Reply
    • Hound

      If neaderthals want to take it from Persia, either beg on your knees or come and get it!!..

      Can you?

      May 20, 2012 at 10:31 am | Reply
  3. SSGestapo

    The animal is gone but the ugly f–king photos remain.....

    May 20, 2012 at 4:18 am | Reply
  4. Terry Brookman

    Whoeaver thinks Israel is our alli you need to think again, they have proved several time that they are not and we give them a pass. They beleive that they are meant to own the world and beleive their own lies, Google: The Elders of Zion and read the truth.

    May 20, 2012 at 3:22 am | Reply
    • Tornado

      "The Elders of Zion" was a propoganda document generated by the now defunct Soviet Union. It was based on lies and intentionally disseminated misinformation. Please look further into it before jumping aboard the Soviet rumor train.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
  5. Terry Brookman

    NO, same goes for the UN. Nothing but a bunch of money sucking power hungry bureaucrats trying to create the Fourth Reich.

    May 20, 2012 at 3:16 am | Reply
  6. Tacitus Talks

    The correct question: Do we need the UN? Genocide in Bosnia? What did the UN do? Nothing. Get rid of the UN.

    May 19, 2012 at 11:48 pm | Reply
    • Bahri

      WE NEED NATO WORLD NEED NATO GET RIDE OF THE UN, UN IS USELESS JUST MONEY SPENDER

      May 20, 2012 at 12:37 am | Reply
    • boobooo

      NATO and the UN are USELESS.

      Europe need CZAR PUTIN to keep law and order.

      May 20, 2012 at 1:12 am | Reply
    • Choco Gin-Go-Bo

      We need NATO and UN to protect the world from savages like China.

      May 20, 2012 at 1:35 am | Reply
    • g

      we need a global currency to make nafta stop stealing jobs

      May 20, 2012 at 2:00 am | Reply
  7. bloo

    I think we should definity keep NATO, they are keeping the world safer!

    May 19, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Reply
    • denny

      I believe that they keep" YOUR "world safe.But this is yes or no qestion so the ansver from me is NO we don't need this org.

      May 19, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Reply
      • Tacitus Talks

        We lose "our world", we get a dark age. We lose the Arab World, the world will definitely be safer.

        May 19, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  8. bla

    Well the UN is a joke, so we have to have some kind of alliance we can fall back on.

    May 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  9. Ferit

    yes, threats still exist such as Syria, Iran and Israel.

    May 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Reply
    • bloo

      How is Israel a threat! They are our allies!

      May 19, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Reply
  10. wavejump1100

    someone please take away TOMG's computer.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Reply
  11. SPQR

    North Atlantic Treaty Organization was formed to keep the Communist under check. I think we should keep it for obvious reasons. Russia and China.

    May 19, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Reply
  12. Gopherit

    The U.S. is shouldering more of the finacial and people-power burdens of maintaining NATO because Europeans recognise that NATO is primarily a vehicle for advancing the U.S.'s world domination efforts. Since most of the Western European nations have already been through the colonising process and have seen that the cost outweighs the benefits they generally have learned the lessons of history while the U.S. ignores them. The Wall St. – Washington, D.C. power oligarchy determines American actions.

    May 19, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Reply
  13. paul martin

    Nato, in today's World with today's changing threats and dangers is OBSOLETE ! and ineffective !

    May 19, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Reply
  14. Bob Kebic

    NATO should be disbanded!

    May 19, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Reply
    • NABJR

      we need NATO because two of the largest and most powerful contries with billions of soldirs are in place to attack the US. Why do we pacific China so much wheb that is the country that killed so many of our soldiers during the Korean war. But yet we comdeme Cuba is hardly a threat to our country. If we treated Cuba the way we pacific China perhaps many Cubans would return to their homes and the issue of immigration would be less of an issue. We could have a gret trade relationship with Cuba while at the same time keeping the issue of human rights on the table.

      May 19, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Reply
      • wavejump1100

        i think you mean pacify. pacific is an ocean

        May 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  15. leon

    NATO, US especially is the ultimate aggressor/s just like Germany was in 1939. US already has prisons in eastern european countrie(ex warsaw pact coutries in fact in ex KGB buildings, how about that.LIthuania, Poland and many, many more) where us does what it would not be able to do on its own soil, thus violating every human right that they them self blame others of violating. So next we will be seenig concentration camps. Being a jew in US, I am getting ready just for that. HEIL US, HEIL NATO

    May 19, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Reply
    • PRO USA

      IM PRO USA NO MATTER WHAT.. ALL U.S. CITIZENS SHOULD BE PRO U.S. IF YOUR NOT LOSE YOUR CITIZENSHIP AND GO TO CUBA

      May 19, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Reply
      • SPQR

        How can you be a patriot when you have 2 citizenships ?

        Your heart us either here or there, show your loyalty!

        God bless The United States of America.

        May 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
      • ProphetJesusisnotGod

        Brother, their is nothing wrong to b pro, but their should b a line u can not cross, u can not say YES to everything when ur dictators so called leaders, lawmakers n policy makers think they r above the law, become war criminals state sponsor terrorist thugs, invading countries after countries by falls propaganda, occupying, killing of over a millions of innocent men women n children (Muslims) cowardly, destruction in countries after countries, kidnapping, abducting n torturing defender of their beloved sovereign lands, n throwing them in jails without justice been served, u can not be pro for those war criminals state sponsor terrorist thugs regime when they do heinous crime against humanity. Get a life , n stop terrorism by those tyrant, dictators n war criminals USAss state sponsor terrorist thugs regime than bring the peace, Peace can not spread by state sponsor terrorist thugs Peace comes from peaceful resources. Watch on Youtube "Ghost of Abugharaib documentary" n "tear of Gaza" n see the crime against humanity. http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

        May 20, 2012 at 12:47 am |
      • ProphetJesusisnotGod

        Brother, there is nothing wrong to b pro, but there should b a line u can not cross, u can not say YES to everything when ur dictators so called leaders, lawmakers n policy makers think they r above the law, become war criminals state sponsor terrorist thugs, invading countries after countries by falls propaganda, occupying, killing of over a millions of innocent men women n children (Muslims) cowardly, destruction in countries after countries, kidnapping, abducting n torturing defender of their beloved sovereign lands, n throwing them in jails without justice been served, u can not be pro for those war criminals state sponsor terrorist thugs regime when they do heinous crime against humanity. Get a life , n stop terrorism by those tyrant, dictators n war criminals USAss state sponsor terrorist thugs regime than bring the peace, Peace can not spread by state sponsor terrorist thugs Peace comes from peaceful resources. Watch on Youtube "Ghost of Abugharaib documentary" n "tear of Gaza" n see the crime against humanity. http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

        May 20, 2012 at 12:51 am |
  16. cas

    Like any force ..it is built with premise of self defense...but it quickly transforms to aggression, the language/wording combination from the dictionary to make that transition is only limited by one's imagination...bottomline is that Libya was not bombing Europe or North America when NATO attacked it....Even though I personally found some deserving satisfaction against what happened to Gaddafi...

    It doesn't change this phenomenon, any force built for self defense will eventually find the reason/excuse/language....to leave what it was built for and travel half away the world for aggression.....in this case was that the citizens of that country were being attacked by their gov't!!!

    So where was NATO when black in America were being denied their civil rights and being lynched?

    May 19, 2012 at 4:07 pm | Reply
  17. Dean

    We do not need NATO and we need the United Nations in New York even less.

    May 19, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
  18. TOMG

    HEAVENLY PLACE AND HELL PLACE ARE NO WHERE TOBE FOUND , BUT IT JUST LOCATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ONESELF EYES AND FACES AND MIND AND THE THOUGHT OF THAT ALL IT TOOK , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  19. TOMG

    U.S.A. THE LAW OF STEEL , JUST FOLLOW THE LAW AND RESPECT THE LAW AND TRUSTING IN GOD HAND AND THE FIRST BUDDHA TEACHING THAN EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE OKEY AND FIND , AMEN . DON'T NEED TO CONCERNING ABOUT IT , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  20. TOMG

    U.S.A. THE GREAT GOD BLESS THE LAND OF THE FREE , BUT WE ALL NEED TO TRUST THE KARMA ARE COMING NO ONE DOG AND ANIMAL MIND CAN GETTING AWAYS WITH IT OWNSELF HELL THOUGHT AND HELL THINKING WAY OF DOG HELL LIFE IN THE FIRST PLACE , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  21. TOMG

    KEEP ON CONTINUING EATTING ALL KINDS OF ANIMAL MEAT THAN THIS WORLD WELL NEVER STOP CREATING FULL BLAST OF HELL KARMA LIFE , AMEN . WHO CARE , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  22. TOMG

    GOOD LUCK ARE SIMILAR TO THE HEAVENLY FORM OF REAL LIFE SHOULD BE . AND BAD LUCK ARE SIMILAR TO THE HELL KARMA LIFE THAT ALL IT TOOK , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
  23. TOMG

    SHORT AND SIMPLE LIFE ARE THE KARMA AFFECT FROM ALL CAUSE TO GET IT COME INTO THIS NOW DAILY HELL WAY OF THINKING KARMA WORLD , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
  24. TOMG

    HUMAN FLASH ARE SO STINKY AND SO SMELL WHEN IT PASSING AWAY AND NO ONE WANT TOBE AND COME NEAR TO IT DEAD BODY , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • jihn

      Nato are doing great things just one thing do more that they ar fighting against the teeriotist and save the world but they they really want a peace inthe world just take an action the cdorroupt leaders like Zqardari, gilani if you get the task to support corrouption trust all these efforts will no longer good

      May 19, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  25. TOMG

    GOD AND LIFE , LIFE AND GOD HAVE TO GO ALONG SIDE TO EACH OTHER ON THE DAIL BASIC INORDER TO HAVE A MORE PEACE OF LIFE AND MORE HARMONY LIFE IN THIS DOG HUMAN THINKING KARMA WAY OF DAILY HUMAN WASTE THOUGHT AND DAILY HUMAN URINE THOUGHT THAT ALL , AMEN . KARMA BABY YEAH ES YES YES DOG HELL KARMA WORLD , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  26. SB1984

    NO we do not, and while we are at it get out of the UN.

    May 19, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
  27. TOMG

    DOG KARMA LIFE FORM ARE ALWAYS KEEP ON REPEATING AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THIS CAUSE AND AFFECT KARMA WORLD ALWAYS . WHEN ONE IS ATE THE FOOD ONE HAVE TO GIVEN OUT THE HUMAN WASTE IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO , WHEN ONE IS DRINKING BEERS ONE HAVE TO GIVEN OUT THE URINE IN THE NEXT HOURS OR SO , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  28. aj

    No moderators here?

    Back on topic, the answer is no. We do not need NATO anymore. Since the fall of the Warsaw Pact, we've become them. We're invading small countries and bringing death and destruction to them and running ourselves bankrupt in the process.

    May 19, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
  29. TOMG

    LIFE WHAT A BEAUTIFUL CHOICE IF ONE HAVE THE WISDOM AND INTUITIVE TO SAW THAT THIS DOG WORLD LIFE FORM ARE FULL OF KARMA THAT ALL IT TOOK , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Reply
  30. TOMG

    TO THOSE WHO BELIVING IN THE KARMA WA OF LIFE ARE IN GOOD HAND WITH THE GOD HEAVENLY WORLD , AMEN . THERE ARE LIGHTNING GOD AND RAINING GOD AND WIND GOD AND AIR GOD AND CLOUD GOD AND INVISIBLE GOD HELL GOD AND HEAVENLY GOD AND THE GREAT KARMA GOD , THE FIRST BUDDHA AND JESUS AND MOTHER MARIA AND HAPPY BUDDHA PHAT DI LAC IN THIS TWENTY – FIRST CENTURY EVIL AND DEVIL ERA OF HELL TIMING IN THIS NOW DAILY , AMEN

    May 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
  31. TOMG

    TO THOSE WHO DOES NOT BELIVING IN THE KARMA WAY OF LIFE ARE MOSTLY DIE IN TRAGIC LIFESTYLE , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  32. TOMG

    HUMAN FORM NOW DAILY ARE MOSTLY OUT OF WAX WAYS OF HELL KARMA THINKING ALWAYS , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  33. TOMG

    ROASTED FETUSES TO USE FOR BLACK MAGIC THOSE DOG HUMAN MIND ARE SO FUCKEN EVIL AND DEVIL THEY JUST AIN'T SAW HELL KARMA ARE COMING TO THEM VERY SOON YET , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
  34. TOMG

    CAN NOT WAIT TO SAW THE MOTHER OF ALL OUT EARTHQUAKE 13.O AND HIGHER ARE COMING TO THIS WORLD TO TEACH MANY DOG HELL MIND WAY OF DOG THINKING A HUGHE KARMA LESSON , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
  35. TOMG

    ONE HUNDRED YEARS PASSING BY LIKE A SPEED OF LIGHT , BUT MOST DOG KARMA STUPID MIND AND EVIL MIND AND DEVIL MIND AIN'T SAW THAT UNTIL IT TOO LATE WHEN ONE SAW HELL KARMA ARE COMING TO THAT DOG KARMA LIFE , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
  36. TOMG

    ONELSEF BETTER LEARNING HOW TO MEDITATION INORDER TO SAW THIS HELL DOG WORLD ARE ALL ABOUT COMPETE AND GREEDY AND MADDNESS LIKE A DOG THINKING OF HELL WAYS , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
  37. TOMG

    ALL HUMAN WASTE AND HUMAN URINE ARE THE ONLY SOLUTION TO SOLVING ALL THE DOG KARMA WORLD

    May 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
  38. TOMG

    ONLY THE SUN SOLAR GOD AND THE MOON LUNAR GOD TO TEACH THIS DOG KARMA WORLD FORM NOW DAILY , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  39. TOMG

    WHAT COME AROUND MUST GOING BACK AROUND TO THIS STUPID DOG KARMA WORLD THAT ARE FULL OF HELL ALWAYS , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  40. TOMG

    LIFE FORM ARE THE KARMA AFFECT FROM ALL MIND AND MENTAL THOUGHT OF TO HAVE THE GREATEST CAUSE OF THE AFFECT , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
  41. TOMG

    NATO IS THE U.S.A. INVENTED , AMEN .

    May 19, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
  42. Ralph in Orange Park, FL

    The original purpose of NATO was to shield the national pride of Western European nations from the reality that the US was protecting them from the Soviet Union, something they were too weak to do for themselves. Now that the Soviet Union no longer exists and Russia is not as much of a threat, the organization should be disbanded.

    May 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
  43. TImJ

    look it all depends on how the world leaders want to approach the worlds up coming problems. nato and un are here to police to world and keep peace. so they are both needed. true they both and changed from what they were originally intended but the world changed for the bettter because of who they were (nato and un) and what they did, i give them props for that. however the dangers approaching humanity now are not just terrorists or leaders of small countries trying to get more power or money. its much more complicated than that, you see the world population is growing so fast and so high its quickly getting to the point to where unless there are some very serious changes in infrastructure around the world and technologies developed, humanity itself will be fighting for food and space to grow. right now aside from the upper 10% of power holders (not governments but companies and ppl running them) trying to make more money . prices are goin up because there are more ppl to supply, and our abilities to supply those ppl is hitting its max. so soon to come it wont matter if there is nato and un we will have no choice but to (a) go to war and (a1)take over these countries that dont make good enough us of the land and develop them so they can (a2)fight till the world popualtion is back down to a more sustainable level. (b)make the top 10%either give up thier power or money or life to develop these countries and make them more productable with thier land. or (c) make a world law that only lets our population get to high to prevent these things from happening, either way we have to do something cause the population growth rate is getting outta hand. we cant just look at things and plan for 100 or 200 years from now we have to plan beyond that. or mother nature or our own doctors will creat some horrible disease – virus that effectively wipes our most if not all of us....... just saying

    May 19, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Reply
  44. The_Mick

    NATO needs to be in place to be able to oppose any nation that becomes strong enough to be a bully on the European continent. If it's Russia, or if it shifts to Germany, there needs to be a strong group held together by treaty to keep them in check.

    May 19, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • Michael

      You seriously think Germany is going to try starting another devestating war in Europe? Try looking at the german army for one, they're a tenth of the U.S army for and it's mandated in the German constitution that it can only be used for defense. The German people (except for the radical nut jobs which all countries have anyway) don't want to fight any more major wars. Unless they are attacked or a NATO country is attacked they won't be launching an offensive war. Russia...I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
  45. Hadenuffyet

    just build some mickey d's in questionable areas , nobody with a McD ever gets attacked...lol

    May 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
  46. saeed

    nato is a joke, in a war against china, china will drop 1 bomb and the war is over china builds super laser as big as buildings china builds space stations china builds machines that can teleport matter and atoms it self china builds anti matter reactors and huge atom smashers china has cloned over 50 different animales and decoded the genome of 40 animales. if usa and britain only step once on a place that china has told them not to step china will turn the whole western civilation that has existed in 2000 years in to grains 100 time smaller then dust. if u scanned the whole planet for molecules after a war with china you wouldent even find any evidence that anything ever existed on this planet.

    May 19, 2012 at 11:59 am | Reply
    • Dance This Mess Around

      You must have a small unit.

      May 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Reply
    • downwithhippies

      saeed..interesting name....I'm surprised there wasn't an Allah thrown in there somewhere

      May 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
  47. Arthur

    Having the United States as the backbone of major alliances is kind of what prevents proliferation of WMDs... the United States has them, so its allies don't have to.

    May 19, 2012 at 10:05 am | Reply
  48. palintwit

    If I was Sarah Palin I'd fill my anus with quick drying concrete. And you can take that to the bank !

    May 19, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • PantyRaid

      But if Palin did that, how could she get double penetrated by two guys at the same time?

      May 19, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
      • palintwit

        Hmmmmmm........

        May 19, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • Joe

      try it ,cumm_ass

      May 19, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • kingkong

      palinwit if her anus is filled with cement how will you eat and breathe?

      May 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  49. what?

    the question should be is- do we need the UN, especially the Security Council? They're as useless as our appendix.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:01 am | Reply
  50. outspoken123

    Wee saw the NATO during Libyan WAR, it was out of ammunition until UNCLE SAM replinished. Everybody knows
    what is power of NATO without USA.

    May 19, 2012 at 2:02 am | Reply
  51. brown

    Americans ... China is rising and soon you will understand your new station in life or you will perish.

    May 19, 2012 at 1:08 am | Reply
  52. brown

    The U.S.A. Congress is making the future of its citizens very bleak, does America really need another Cold War?

    May 19, 2012 at 1:02 am | Reply
  53. Heather

    Enemies of NATO at work. NATO is necessary as a deterrent power. Not having a mission at all times doesn't mean that its existence is not necessary, it's quite the contrary as that proves its success. It's like having security personnel at the mall and attempting to dismantle it because there are no crimes taking place, not realizing that peace is owed to them and that crime will start if they are discontinued. This whole article is absurd.

    May 19, 2012 at 12:58 am | Reply
  54. dud

    Yes. NATO is a needed entity, if for no other reason than to balance out the completely inept and spineless UN. Who in the world sends out unarmed, blue-hatted "Peacekeepers?" If it was up to UN every corrupt, pint-sized 'leader' with a Napoleon complex would get a 100bn check , courtesy of the US taxpayer.

    May 19, 2012 at 12:57 am | Reply
  55. aurelius

    NATO don't wish to be a tool of American foreign policy anymore and it won's survive. Every war we fought in the Middle East, including that in Afghanistan in which we dragged NATO, had to do with our irrational support for Israel policy. And that goes for the terrorist war as well. All would be settled if the US, the sole nation in the world to oppose this, would require Israel to live within the boundaries set by the United Nations in 1948 and return the Palestinian territories it stole from that time on. The four wars during which Arab nations tried to destroy Israel were fought within the cold ear context with the USSR pulling the strings. Those days are gone as much as Nazism is gone. European nations have tried to persuade the US for years to abandon its position but every attempt at doing so has been opposed by the all powerful Jewish lobby, supported by FOX and the evangelical parties whose mind is still fighting the Crusade wars. Iran is right in not bending to the US as long as we do not adopt a just and balanced approach in the Middle East. Israel is now trying to get us to fight yet another war against that country and if the Romney is elected, that's exactly what will happen. Islamic terrorism, Arab nation antagonism (Arabs nations and people were very friendly to the US until the early 70's), wars and loss of American credibility all have to do with the greatest conspiracy of all time in US history. The control of the US by the Jewish lobby and their American allies. Any president who dares attempting to change that will never be elected or re-elected. Obama just tried and quickly retreated.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Reply
    • Yes, NATO is for deterring China

      NATO i s absolutely necessary for the Cold War with China. It's the Cold War 2. We didn't ask for it, but we got it.

      So deal with the reality.

      May 19, 2012 at 12:56 am | Reply
      • brown

        We didn't ask for a Cold War with China? Who said it was going to be cold?

        The Western elitists created 'The Rise of China' to enrich themselves, now live with the effing consequences!

        May 19, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • Yes, NATO is for deterring China

      PS all the people talking about dismantling NATO are Chinese.

      HAHAHAHAH. FAT chance of that happening. NATO has you in their sites. Deal with it!

      May 19, 2012 at 12:56 am | Reply
      • Mike

        Russia, China, Arabic nations, and Israel want NATO dismantled. No member state wants it dismantled so it will remain as is, and pretty much no non-member state wants it to stay, those listed above are the main opponents for various (and some different in Israel's case) reasons.

        May 19, 2012 at 1:02 am |
  56. Jarod

    Well I would like to start off by stating that Iraq and Afghanistan were wars started by Osama/Bush/Taliban and not by Obama and blaming him is like blaming you all for atrocities commited by european settlers whenever they started colonizing the world. Any sin than was commited by your ancesters is your fault Ridiculous?, not by some of these posters reasoning. Secondly I would like to state that the U.N. is the place where all member nations are supposed to go to resolve disputes instead of going to war. It is also suppsoed to be a deterrant to upstart nations with dreams of glory. It is failing by being a giant waste of resources. We told them to screw off and we invaded Iraq regardless of what they thought. If the U.S. can do this what is to stop any other nation? Us? WE ARE NOT THE WORLD POLICE! Yet we act like it. It is even encouraged by other European nations, like Vietnam(France), yup that was a good police action. Please don't give me the "It was to stop communism!" rhetoric. It wasn't. We all know it now. If it was that then tell me why there is a communist country less than fifty miles away from U.S. soil? Human rights? The Castro's still kill their citizens. NATO is still necessary and people mentioned Georgia being invaded as a what if. It happened!!!!! Russia is still in control of Georgia and they never removed troops. WE LET IT GO!!! That was NATO. By the way that was done by the then prime minister Putin. Not President Medvedev. Now Putin is president again look for chechnya to go up in flames and other Soviet sattelites to come back to mother Russia. Don't get me started on China.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Reply
  57. Whatchutalkinbout

    I say do away with it, its worthless. And do away with the Hague to. If countries have disagreements let em fight it out. We need to thin out the worlds population anyway, or we will be fighting anyway in the future over reasources.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  58. ALLAMERICAN

    NATO does needs to be dissolved, because it does not provide enough representation from the G20 countries. Or fair representation from all regional leaders from each continent. G20 should take over the responsibilities of NATO so there is equal representation towards costs and fairness in decision making.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Reply
  59. cheese

    NATO is no longer relevant, because right now, the only truly non-parasitical countries in the organization are the US, UK, France, Germany, Turkey and Poland.

    The other European states are so quick to run to the US for security for what they perceive as a threat from Russia, but yet they are totally unwilling to commit to NATO's objectives and baseline rules, like the defense spending percentages.

    Disband NATO, it's a useless organization and if need so, re-form another defense treaty organization – this time with stricter rules on membership. No more Baltic states which need NATO's air forces to patrol their airspace "temporarily" until the Baltic states could purchase combat aircraft.

    Right now, ten years after the "temporary" Baltic Air Policing act was enacted, the Baltic states have YET to even purchase a single combat aircraft to defend their OWN airspace [forget about contributing to NATO missions].

    See the kind of parasites the major contributors in NATO have to deal with?

    May 18, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Please note in your comments about freeloading, Canada has stood side by side with our NATO allies in Afghanistan spilling substantial amounts of blood and treasure so please don't put us in the parasite column.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Reply
    • MikeB

      Cheese – You have holes in your argument.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Reply
  60. anon

    Imagine a world without NATO... oh wait, that's just the world pre-1949. I mean, I guess WW2 was pretty cool. I don't see why you guys are in such a hurry to repeat it. You want to get drafted that badly? Whatever. Let the hippies run everything for ten years – you wanna dump all the nukes? sure thing. you want to melt down all the rifles? okay. you want to disband your military, go ahead.

    And when the whole planet burns down and is overrun by starving hordes of barbarians with AK-47s, we can start our comeback by sharpening hippie bones into spears and throwing it at them.

    May 18, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Reply
    • Zoglet

      that reminds me of when a baby upsicks.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Reply
    • c s

      NATO was formed to prevent the Soviet Union from conquering Europe. Look around, do you see the Soviet Union? It crumbled in 1991. Suddenly NATO no longer had a mission. 9/11 came along and it had something to do. Now that the Afghan was being exited by NATO, what does NATO do? The main function of NATO at the present time is to keep the Europeans in some type of military alliance and prevent another WW I and WW II. The Russians look at NATO and wonder who is the enemy of NATO? They hear Republican Romney saying that Russia is "Russia is the geopolitical foe". Talk like that makes it reasonable for Russia to fear that the US and NATO is their enemy.

      Russia and the Soviet Union are very different countries. Russia is not an enemy of the US. Having Republican politicians calling Russian a "foe" is the way to create an enemy where none exists. The US and Russia have differences but none of them approach to being a reason to cause a war. The political differences with the Soviet Union was so great that warfare almost happened several times.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Reply
      • Total2199

        useless and obsolete money sucker organization

        May 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
      • Heather

        NATO exists as a deterrent power and it's pure existence prevents wars, it doesn't have to get involved in wars to prove its value, wars not taking place shows its value. Think clearly.

        May 19, 2012 at 12:53 am |
  61. Jack B

    There's another thing: Germany is by far the strongest ecomy in Europe, and without the strong support of Germany for acting in other parts of the world, NATO will always remain ineffective. Germany has almost 5000 troops in Afghanistan, though they're not in the fight. Basically, after two lost wars, you will never get Germans to fight anywhere again, barring in self-defense. And they take the position of, 'Who's going to attack us?' Even Russia won't...

    May 18, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Reply
  62. Zoglet

    The US is using NATO as an extension of its own foreign policy. This is not the purpose of NATO and I should imagine its only a matter of time before member states realise their soldiers are dieing for policies that enrich US interests and refuse to simply support and pay for such policy. Who can blame them? NATO is for defence not for offence.

    May 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Reply
  63. dee

    Fact : NATO could not control the Taliban !

    May 18, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Reply
    • MikeB

      Fact: NATO lacks leadership.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        NATO has European leadership and Europeans are not warmongers like Americans, NATO's peaceful quiet movement should not be seen as a weakness by your violent mindset.

        May 19, 2012 at 1:41 am |
  64. fn

    no

    May 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Yes we need NATO for China, duh

      What kind of stupid question is this? Russia is gone and now China is the next USSR. HELL YEAH WE NEED NATO. Duh. Why is our media pretending that China is anythin but a USSR without the balls to admit it is a USSR. We should tariff China on everything they make, as they tariff us because they are stupid uncompetitive commies who can't compete unless they have a full deck and you have 7 cards. Losers.

      May 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Reply
      • MikeB

        Can you say 'New World Order'?
        That is what Bush and Obama have been dong; selling the American People out to the 1% Global Elite that will assign us our station in life.

        May 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  65. MikeB

    NATO lost leadership when Obama chose to abdicate the U.S.'s Leadership role. It's not that the U.S. should always be the Leader of NATO, but the U.S. should assure a healthy transition to another that can effectively lead. Just stepping out of the role is not a transition or an attribute of leadership.

    May 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
    • cw

      I looked for this online, and couldn't find anything. Can you provide a link to Obama's abdication of NATO leadership?

      May 18, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Reply
      • MikeB

        'Nato Actions in Libya Strongly Condemned', 'UK minister: Cyberattack could prompt NATO action', Lack of a Coalition to counter Iran's influence in the region, ...

        May 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Tulip

      Yeah didn't think so 😉

      May 18, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Reply
      • MikeB

        Do a Google on each of those and choose your link of preference.

        May 18, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Nothing wrong with leading from behind.
      Measure twice, cut once.
      Bush was an arrogant bully.
      Obama has been fence mending ever since.
      How many Americans died in Libya ?
      Point.

      May 19, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
  66. Steve

    Let's face it guys, NATO is absolute bullocks. There's allot of talk about Afghanistan on this board but somehow no one has mentioned the fact that after an entire decade of fighting, none of our geo-strategic goals of increased global security have been met! Not one! I hate to say it but Afghanistan was a failure for NATO. What we have now in Afghanistan is no less violence then there was in 2001, probably more if anything, an unpopular and corrupt Karzai government that's going to fold the second we leave, and Afghan security forces that kill American and European soldiers whenever they want. At the end of the day, Europe needs NATO intact way more than the US. The article put it well when it said that in the coming decades, our military focus will begin to shift toward the pacific. What then for Europe? Their biggest military power (in my opinion) is Britain and you could fit their entire army into a soccer stadium so I say screw Europe, let them realize how dangerous these defense cuts really are in the long term, and let them go at it alone. All they do is bitch and moan at us anyway and when we finally force them to use their military assets in places like Libya, they have inadequate supplies, not enough ships or aircraft, a poor command structure, you name it! It easy to cut defense spending people but when you need the military literally nothing else will do!!!

    May 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Reply
    • MikeB

      Isn't that what the U.S. has done to most of it's allies?
      At the end of the Vietnam War, we left our friends to fend for themselves at sea and at the hands of our enemies.
      At the end of the Afghan war with Russia we abandoned our Afghan and Pakistan allies. (Then the Taliban and Al Qaeda moved in.)
      At the end of the first Gulf war we left our Friends to be brutalized by Saddam.
      At the end of the second Gulf war we are leaving our Friends to be persecuted by an Iran friendly government.
      Now, at the end of this Afghan war, we are leaving the women of Afghanistan to be brutalized again.
      At least with Korea we are still standing with our friends. But it's unfinished business.
      So, when will the U.S. consistently stand with our friends?
      The problem is now, our political system has now been infiltrated by the enemies of Liberty.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Reply
      • Arttsz

        MikeB, one thing I would point out is that in most cases you mentioned, the "ally" in question lost the will and or ability to fight their own battles. The Afghan Mujahaddin were an exception, since they were never really "allies" in the first place, and a good percentage of them were what would in fact become Taliban leadership later. If our NATO allies are unwilling to even invest the minimal money agreed to in the treaty to defense, it's hard to justify our continuing commitment.

        May 18, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
      • MikeB

        Arttsz – There will always be alliances. I'd prefer they be with the U.S.A.

        May 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Since the end of WW2,
      The United States is not supposed to win wars.
      There is no profit in peace.

      May 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
  67. Rick

    As long as the Soviet Union (excuse me–Russia) and Communist China daily exhibit behaviors that sound like threats against the West (sounds like I started the Cold War all over again), The US and Western Europe need some semblance of a deterent force. Historically look back on the League of Nations and the lack of support it had. Hitler was not frightened of them; they packed no power. But NATO has demonstrated it has some power (Bosnia). Remember both Russia and China have large well-equipped well-trained armies and I don't think either would be afraid to use them.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
  68. Strauss

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    I think he says it all. The fact is NATO is turning a military version of the UN. The USA should get out of both.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
    • Dance This Mess Around

      *** The fact is NATO is turning a military version of the UN. The USA should get out of both.

      Why would we get out ?
      We control NATO.

      May 19, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
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    PLEASE, SR PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA: I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012. MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 14:00 TO 19:45 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00, ELEGIBLE USD. 1,010,300.00, AND ELEGIBLE PROVIDANCY, PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE,ELEGIBLE:TOTAL USD.11,160,000.00 PLEASE:PLASMANET, INC, P.O. BOX 4562, GRAND CENTRAL STATION NEW YORK, NY 10163. AND GAME LIBRARY: M-5 TO MONDAY TO 8:00 TO 19:300 TO FRYDAY, AND GAME LIBRARY : T-6 TO MONDAY TO 8:00 TO 19:30 TO SUNDAY TO 8:00 TO 19:30.

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    FULL NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE, A- 1 843, 343, RAMIREZ MURALLES A-1 843,343, CUI:2294-32964-0101,, DATE OF BIRTH DAY: 07 MONTH: 07; YEAR 1972; BIRDAY COUNTRY=GUATEMALA; EMAIL: UNIVERSITY1234567@HOTMAIL.COM; YOU NEED TO RE-ENTER YOUR EMAIL YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO ENSURE IT IS OWED CORRECTLY; EMAIL= UNIVETRSITY123467@HOTMAIL.COM, PHONE=GUATEMALA: 502 – 2324651 TO 502-2324658 AND MOBIBLE: 502 – 4182-5480, THE TELEPHONE HELPS US CONTACT YOUR WHEN APLICATIONS IS CHOSE TO GET AN INMIGRATION USA; BY CLICKING HERE YOU AGREE TO THE FIRMS AND CONDITIONS OF AUSFIS INC, READ THE PRIVACY POLICE AND TERMS OF USE. NOTICE: PLEASE MAKE SURE TO CHECK THE BOXES IN ORDER TO CHECK THE BOXES IN ORDER TO BE ELEGIBLE THE AUSTRALIAN PROGRAM; TO INTRO. PLEASE:GET IN MY TWO ACCOUNT THE TOTAL OF IMIGRATIONS AUSFIS AUSTRALIAN PROGRAM: CAR PROGRAM AUSFIS: IN CASH:
    GET IN MY TWO ACCOUNT IN TOTAL 100% : USD 2.00 BILLONS OF USD OF NORTH AMERICAN, INCLUIDE THE AUSFIS AUSTRALIAN PROGRAM: IN THE TRANSFERIN SWICHTFINANCIAL:
    BANRURAL ACCOUNT:324-501173-7:FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES:
    100% TO USD.400,000.00 = TRANSFERING SWICHTFINANCIAL 50%=USD 200,000.00
    BANEX OR G&T CONTINENTAL ACCOUNT:102-060326-7:FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES:
    100% TO USD.400,000,00 = TRANSFERING SWICHTFINANCIAL 50%=USD 200,000.00
    AND TODAY: TO 9:00 AM IN YOUR EMBASSY OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN IN GUATEMALA REPUBLIC , I`M GET MY LETTER OF REMEMBER YOU AND CD HOW DR-IN:PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-IN:KREEMBLIM-2001-2054, AND YOU, HOW PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN, LETS GET THE AUTORIZATION OF TRANSFERING OR SWICHTFINANCIAL FREELOTTO ONLINE THE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCY: IN THIS ANALISIS TOTAL:
    I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES,A-1 843,343, CUI:2294-32964-0101, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012. MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 14:00 TO 19:45 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00 AND THE INFORMATION MY SELFTH IS:USUARIO:77695040 AND USUARIO:78367545, VISITANT:17,129,752.969;PIN:77695040,PIN:19591886:PNI:195918862,ACCOUNT:78367545:AND ACCOUNT: 77695040 AND No. No. PIN:195918862:,http:// http://www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=608508&FID=e93b7836745-DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-DR-IN-GUATEMALA-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE, THE COMITE OF GIFTS OF PNI, LETS GET MORE OF 93,000 OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN, TO ACCOUNT OF THOUSANDS OF WONDER WINNER IN 41 COUNTRYS, AND LEST CREATE 18 MILLONARIES AND WINNER OF GIFTS OF TEN MILLONS OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN, USD TEN MILLONS. PNI, PATROCINATOR OF GIFTS ON LINE,USING THE COMODO ELEGIBLE WINNER,17/11/2011 TO NITGH 19:45 PM AND OTHER GAMES JULY 2011 TO DECEMBER 31/12/2011, LETS GET DAILY GIFTS TO TEN MILLONS OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN. AND RULERS OF PATROCINATOR:
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 300.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 10,000.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,000.000.00
    TOTAL ELEGIBLE DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,010.300.00
    AND:
    PLEASE, SR PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA: I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012. MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 14:00 TO 19:45 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00 AND THE INFORMATION MY SELFTH IS:USUARIO:77695040 AND USUARIO:78367545, VISITANT:17,129,752.969;PIN:77695040,PIN:19591886:PNI:195918862,ACCOUNT:78367545:AND ACCOUNT: 77695040 AND No. No. PIN:195918862:,http:// http://www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=608508&FID=e93b7836745-DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-DR-IN-GUATEMALA-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE,ELEGIBLE:TOTAL USD.11,160,000.00 PLEASE:
    PLASMANET, INC, P.O. BOX 4562, GRAND CENTRAL STATION NEW YORK, NY 10163

    No1. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE USD. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE No1.TOTALPROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE
    No1. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE USD.1,000.000.00 CASH CLASSIC FREE LOTTO® USD.1,000.000.00
    No2. PROVIDANCY USD. 50,000.00 NEW LOTTO WIN LUXURY CAR-FREE USD. 50,000.00
    No3. PROVIDANCY USD. 100,000.00 CASH-FREELOTTO PAY OFF YOUR MORTAGE USD. 100,000.00
    No4. PROVIDANCY USD. 10,000.00 CASH PRIZE-FREELOTTO FAST CASH USD 10,000.00
    No5. PROVIDANCY USD. 100,000.00 CASH-FREE-LOTTO USD 100,000.00GIVE AWAY USD. 100,000.00
    No6. PROVIDANCY USD10,000.000.00 FREE LOTTO ®SUPERBUCKS USD10,000.000.00
    TOTAL: No6. PROVIDANCY USD 11.260,000.00 PROJECT PAY DAY®GAME NOW FOR OVER IN PRIZES USD 11.260,000.00

    AND MY GAMES:
    1-2-3-4-5-6 7-18-20-33-42-51 8-16-24-32-40-48 4-16-24-32-40-48
    4-16-24-32-40-48 4-8-16-24-32-40 1-3-8-10-17-51 1-3-8-10-26-51
    7-18-20-33-42-51 3-4-8-10-25-36 3-8-10-17-42-51 4-8-10-17-24-27-51
    4-8-10-17-24-51 4-8-10-17-27-51 4-8-32-40-48-54 7-18-20-33-42-51
    3-4-8-10-17-32 3-4-8-10-17-36 3-4-5-7-24-50 3-4-5-24-25-50
    3-4-5-7-20-50 4-8-12-16-20-24 1-2-3-4-5-6 7-18-20-33-42-51
    15-16-18-20-21-22 22-25-26-27-28-30 31-32-33-35-36-37 40-41-42-43-44-45
    2-4-6-7-9-11- 13-15-17-19-21-23 25-24-25-31-33-35 37-39-41-43-45-47
    49-51-53-54-2-4 2-4-6-7-9-11-12-13 15-16-18-20-21-22 22-25-26-27-28-30
    31-32-33-35-36-37 40-41-42-43-44-45 2-4-6-7-9-11 3-6-9-12-15-18
    21-24-27-30-33-36 21-24-27-30-33-36 39-42-45-48-51-54 1-2-3-4-5-6-
    7-8-9-10-11-12 13-14-15-16-17-18 19-20-21-22-23-24- 25-26-27-28-29-30
    31-32-33-34-35-36 37-38-39-40-41-42 43-44-45-46-47-48 49-50-51-52-53-54
    2-14-15-20-23-24 1-4-8-16-24-32- 4-8-16-24-32-24 1-2-3-4-5-6
    1-2-3-4-5-6 7-18-20-33-42-51 4-16-24-32-40-48 1-4-8-32-10-17
    25-6-5-50-42-36 8-4-32-24-1-2 2-20-26-37-34-52 4-8-12-16-20-24
    28-34-38-42-46 2-4-6-8-10-12 1-2-3-4-5-6 7-18-20-33-42-51

    AND MY PAGE HISTORY-AND MY CURRICULUM VIATE, AND MY HISTORY DIRECTORY-2001-2054-PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054:
    CURRICULUM VITAE
    I. DATOS PERSONALES.
    Nombre Fernando Enrique Ramírez Muralles.
    Lugar y Fecha de Nacimiento. Guatemala, 07 de Julio de 1972.
    Edad. 33 años.
    Profesión. ContadorPúblicoyAuditor-1-1-146630-Universidad San Carlos de Guatemala.
    Estado Civil. Soltero.
    No.de Cédula. A-1 – 843,343. CUI:2294-32964-0101
    No.de Empadronamiento. 3295513.
    No.de Afiliación al IGSS. 17227790-7
    No.de Afiliación Patronal IGSS. 33457
    No.de Afiliación Patronal IGSS. 65688
    No.de Identificación Tributaria (NIT). 823660-7.
    No.Cuenta Bancaria Banrural. 324-501173-7
    No.Cuenta BancariaBanex G&T Continental 102-060326-7
    Dirección. 25Av.23-99Z.6.Fina,Proy,4-10Guatemala
    Número de teléfono ------------------
    E-mail. ------------------
    Fecha. 23-01-2012
    II. ESTUDIOS REALIZADOS.
    Nivel ESTABLECIMIENTO GRADO ALCANZADO
    UNIVERSITARIO USAC-2001-2054
    UNIVERSIDAD DE SAN CARLOS DE GUATEMALA – 2001-2054
    AUTOR DOCTORADO:
    PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054 AUTOR:DOCTORADO-IN-:ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054-DR-IN-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054
    UNIVERSITARIO USAC-1993-2004 Licenciado-“CONTADOR-PÚBLICO Y ADUDITOR” –
    DIVERSIFICADO
    DIVERSIFICADO COCOLEGIO,PRACTICA,COMERCIAL-1990-1990
    ENCC No.2-1991-1992 Perito Contador-CUARTO P.C.
    Perito Contador-QUINTO-SEXTO-P.C.
    BASICO INVAZ Tercero Básico
    PRIMARIA Escuela María Cristina Benet de Rolz Sexto Primaria
    III. TRABAJOS REALIZADOS.
    Del 01-01-2001 a 31-12-2054
    Dr-in-Pentagono-2001-2054-Dr-in-Kreemblim-2001-2054 y Auditor Interno y Externo, Bloques de Gobierno:2004-2008-2012-2016-Bloque Constituyente-11Binomios + 4 Binomios = 15 Binomios.
    Del 17-06-1995 a 04-08-2004
    Fiscalia General de la Republica (Division Financiera).
    De 13-03-1993 a 28-02-1994.
    Construbanco Oficinas Centrales-Banco Reformador –Seccion Contable de Créditos.
    IV. OTRAS ACTIVIDADES Y/O ESTUDIOS.
    2004-2012.
    CONFERENCIAS-SUMMIT-TRADES-CONVENTIONS – DIPLOMADOS

    V REFERENCIAS PERSONALES Y/O LABORALES.
    PRESIDENT OF REPUBLC OF GUATEMALA, C.A. AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-G8

    Firma: ___________________________.

    DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054
    DR IN: ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054-DR-IN-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054

    CURRICULUM VITAE
    DATOS GENERALES:
    NOMBRE Y PROFESION: Dr-Fernando Enrique Ramírez Muralles-PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-
    LATIN NAME: AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006-PC-1-1-79017-A-1 -843,343 CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-
    2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    NOMBRE-PROFESION: Dr-Bobbie Binnssennss Fernand Henry Spencer Sweeden Noor
    MONARCHY NAME: Kim- PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006- PC-1-1-79017-A-1-843,343,CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO- DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    DIRECCION: 25 AV. 23-99 Zona 6, Final Proyecto 4-10, Ciudad Guatemala
    AIC: Association of Accounting Publics-Miami-EEUU-Florida-2001-2054
    EDUACION GENERAL:
    PRIMARIA: 1,982- 1,986: Maria Cristina Benetz de Rolz.
    SECUNDARIA: 1,987- 1,989: Instituto Nacional Para Varones Adrián Zapata-INVAZ
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,990 – 1,990: Instituto Practica Comercial
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,991 – 1,992: Escuela Nacional de Ciencias Comerciales No.2 ENCC2
    UNIVERSIDAD: 1,993 – 2,004: Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala USAC
    DOCTORADO AUTOR 2,001- 2,054: ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-
    CNN-2001-2054 -INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-ODM
    CURSOS EN GENERAL:
    WORD-FOX-BASE-QUATRO-PRO: 1990 – 1992- IMB-PC
    WORD-EXCEL-INTERNET-RED-OSI-TEXAS: 1993-2004
    DIPLOMADOS ISO9001-ISO 14001 – ISO 16000:2008 Colegio de Ingenieros
    DIPLOMADO:PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DERECHOS HUMANOS-2008
    DIPLOMADO:DDHH-2011– LIBERTADES FUNDAMENTALES-PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DDHH-2008
    DIPLOMADO:NIIF-INFORME COSO-2011
    CONFERENCES : GESTION DE CONTRALORY 2011-ESTADO DE INGRESOS Y EGRESOS
    OTROS
    AUTOR-DOCTORADO:PENTAGONO-POLITICALS – 2001 – 2054 – KREEMBLIM – POLITICALS-2001-2054–DIRECTORY- PENTAGONO- 2001- 2054- DIRECTORY- KREEMBLIM – 2001- 2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-2001-2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054- CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054-OBJECTIVES- OF- MILLENIUM -2001-2054- ODM-2001-2054-ALCANCE PRESIDENCIABLE IN: AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-DIRECTORY PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DIRECTORY KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ODM-2001-2054-MONARCHY PARLAMENT-2001-2054-ALL WORLD-2001-2054-DIRECTORY ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-:2001-2054:
     INDIFINTIVE OBJECTIVE INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GUN RULE IN GAZA HAMMA ABBAS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     HARD JOURNEY TACTICALS VEHICLES INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GABON AFRICA INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE – 2001-2054
     GLOBAL BUZZY TACTICALS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     LATIN FINACE BANKING GOVERNMENT SISTEMS-CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY BANKING GOVERMENT SISTEMS CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT-ICTS AS ON ENABLER FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT-UNITED NATIONS-PARLAMENT-UNCTAD-INFORMATION ECONOMY REPORT 2011-2040 – 2001-2054
     YACYRETRA BINACIONAL HIDROELECTRIC INDUSTRY WEEKLY-CONFEREN1980-2001-2054
     CATHIES HOTELERY –CATHIES TOURISM- AND ALL HOTELERY AND ALL TOURISM IN THE ALL WORLD CONFERENCE DIRECTORY–2001-2054
    EXPERIENCE WORK: SECTOR PUBLIC AND SECTOR PRIVATED –SECTOR JUSTICE – BLOCKS GOVERNMENT – ALL BINOMIOS POLTICALS -2001-2054 REFERENCES: PRESIDENT OF REPUBLIC-.
    PAGE HISTORY
    DATOS GENERALES:
    NOMBRE Y PROFESION: Dr-Fernando Enrique Ramírez Muralles-PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-
    LATIN NAME: AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006-PC-1-1-79017-A-1 -843,343 CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-
    2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    NOMBRE-PROFESION: Dr-Bobbie Binnssennss Fernand Henry Spencer Sweeden Noor
    MONARCHY NAME: Kim- PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006- PC-1-1-79017-A-1-843,343,CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO- DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    DIRECCION: 25 AV. 23-99 Zona 6, Final Proyecto 4-10, Ciudad Guatemala
    AIC: Association of Accounting Publics-Miami-EEUU-Florida-2001-2054
    EDUACION GENERAL:
    PRIMARIA: 1,982- 1,986: Maria Cristina Benetz de Rolz.
    SECUNDARIA: 1,987- 1,989: Instituto Nacional Para Varones Adrián Zapata-INVAZ
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,990 – 1,990: Instituto Practica Comercial
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,991 – 1,992: Escuela Nacional de Ciencias Comerciales No.2 ENCC2
    UNIVERSIDAD: 1,993 – 2,004: Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala USAC
    DOCTORADO AUTOR 2,001- 2,054: ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-
    CNN-2001-2054 -INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-ODM
    CURSOS EN GENERAL:
    WORD-FOX-BASE-QUATRO-PRO: 1990 – 1992- IMB-PC
    WORD-EXCEL-INTERNET-RED-OSI-TEXAS: 1993-2004
    DIPLOMADOS ISO9001-ISO 14001 – ISO 16000:2008 Colegio de Ingenieros
    DIPLOMADO:PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DERECHOS HUMANOS-2008
    DIPLOMADO:DDHH-2011– LIBERTADES FUNDAMENTALES-PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DDHH-2008
    DIPLOMADO:NIIF-INFORME COSO-2011
    CONFERENCES : GESTION DE CONTRALORY 2011-ESTADO DE INGRESOS Y EGRESOS
    OTROS
    AUTOR-DOCTORADO:PENTAGONO-POLITICALS – 2001 – 2054 – KREEMBLIM – POLITICALS-2001-2054–DIRECTORY- PENTAGONO- 2001- 2054- DIRECTORY- KREEMBLIM – 2001- 2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-2001-2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054- CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054-OBJECTIVES- OF- MILLENIUM -2001-2054- ODM-2001-2054-ALCANCE PRESIDENCIABLE IN: AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-DIRECTORY PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DIRECTORY KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ODM-2001-2054-MONARCHY PARLAMENT-2001-2054-ALL WORLD-2001-2054-DIRECTORY ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-:2001-2054:
     INDIFINTIVE OBJECTIVE INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GUN RULE IN GAZA HAMMA ABBAS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     HARD JOURNEY TACTICALS VEHICLES INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GABON AFRICA INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE – 2001-2054
     GLOBAL BUZZY TACTICALS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     LATIN FINACE BANKING GOVERNMENT SISTEMS-CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY BANKING GOVERMENT SISTEMS CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT-ICTS AS ON ENABLER FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT-UNITED NATIONS-PARLAMENT-UNCTAD-INFORMATION ECONOMY REPORT 2011-2040 – 2001-2054
     YACYRETRA BINACIONAL HIDROELECTRIC INDUSTRY WEEKLY-CONFEREN1980-2001-2054
     CATHIES HOTELERY –CATHIES TOURISM- AND ALL HOTELERY AND ALL TOURISM IN THE ALL WORLD CONFERENCE DIRECTORY–2001-2054
    EXPERIENCE WORK: SECTOR PUBLIC AND SECTOR PRIVATED –SECTOR JUSTICE – BLOCKS GOVERNMENT – ALL BINOMIOS POLTICALS -2001-2054 REFERENCES: PRESIDENT OF REPUBLIC-.

    CURRICULUM VITAE-2001-2054
    DATOS GENERALES:
    NOMBRE Y PROFESION: Dr-Fernando Enrique Ramírez Muralles-PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-
    LATIN NAME: AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006-PC-1-1-79017-A-1 -843,343 CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-
    2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    NOMBRE-PROFESION: Dr-Bobbie Binnssennss Fernand Henry Spencer Sweeden Noor
    MONARCHY NAME: Kim- PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006- PC-1-1-79017-A-1-843,343,CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO- DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    DIRECCION: 25 AV. 23-99 Zona 6, Final Proyecto 4-10, Ciudad Guatemala
    AIC: Association of Accounting Publics-Miami-EEUU-Florida-2001-2054
    EDUACION GENERAL:
    PRIMARIA: 1,982- 1,986: Maria Cristina Benetz de Rolz.
    SECUNDARIA: 1,987- 1,989: Instituto Nacional Para Varones Adrián Zapata-INVAZ
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,990 – 1,990: Instituto Practica Comercial
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,991 – 1,992: Escuela Nacional de Ciencias Comerciales No.2 ENCC2
    UNIVERSIDAD: 1,993 – 2,004: Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala USAC
    DOCTORADO AUTOR 2,001- 2,054: ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-
    CNN-2001-2054 -INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-ODM
    CURSOS EN GENERAL:
    WORD-FOX-BASE-QUATRO-PRO: 1990 – 1992- IMB-PC
    WORD-EXCEL-INTERNET-RED-OSI-TEXAS: 1993-2004
    DIPLOMADOS ISO9001-ISO 14001 – ISO 16000:2008 Colegio de Ingenieros
    DIPLOMADO:PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DERECHOS HUMANOS-2008
    DIPLOMADO:DDHH-2011– LIBERTADES FUNDAMENTALES-PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DDHH-2008
    DIPLOMADO:NIIF-INFORME COSO-2011
    CONFERENCES : GESTION DE CONTRALORY 2011-ESTADO DE INGRESOS Y EGRESOS
    OTROS
    AUTOR-DOCTORADO:PENTAGONO-POLITICALS – 2001 – 2054 – KREEMBLIM – POLITICALS-2001-2054–DIRECTORY- PENTAGONO- 2001- 2054- DIRECTORY- KREEMBLIM – 2001- 2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-2001-2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054- CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054-OBJECTIVES- OF- MILLENIUM -2001-2054- ODM-2001-2054-ALCANCE PRESIDENCIABLE IN: AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-DIRECTORY PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DIRECTORY KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ODM-2001-2054-MONARCHY PARLAMENT-2001-2054-ALL WORLD-2001-2054-DIRECTORY ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-:2001-2054:
     INDIFINTIVE OBJECTIVE INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GUN RULE IN GAZA HAMMA ABBAS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     HARD JOURNEY TACTICALS VEHICLES INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GABON AFRICA INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE – 2001-2054
     GLOBAL BUZZY TACTICALS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     LATIN FINACE BANKING GOVERNMENT SISTEMS-CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY BANKING GOVERMENT SISTEMS CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT-ICTS AS ON ENABLER FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT-UNITED NATIONS-PARLAMENT-UNCTAD-INFORMATION ECONOMY REPORT 2011-2040 – 2001-2054
     YACYRETRA BINACIONAL HIDROELECTRIC INDUSTRY WEEKLY-CONFEREN1980-2001-2054
     CATHIES HOTELERY –CATHIES TOURISM- AND ALL HOTELERY AND ALL TOURISM IN THE ALL WORLD CONFERENCE DIRECTORY–2001-2054
    EXPERIENCE WORK: SECTOR PUBLIC AND SECTOR PRIVATED –SECTOR JUSTICE – BLOCKS GOVERNMENT – ALL BINOMIOS POLTICALS -2001-2054 REFERENCES: PRESIDENT OF REPUBLIC-.

    PAGE HISTORY-2001-2054
    DATOS GENERALES:
    NOMBRE Y PROFESION: Dr-Fernando Enrique Ramírez Muralles-PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-
    LATIN NAME: AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006-PC-1-1-79017-A-1 -843,343 CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-
    2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    NOMBRE-PROFESION: Dr-Bobbie Binnssennss Fernand Henry Spencer Sweeden Noor
    MONARCHY NAME: Kim- PC-CPA-10,006-AUDITOR-AUDITOR- 1-1-146630- C P A- 10,006- PC-1-1-79017-A-1-843,343,CUI:2294-32964-0101-DR-IN-PENTAGONO- DR-IN-PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054.
    Dr-in-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054
    Dr-in-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054
    DIRECCION: 25 AV. 23-99 Zona 6, Final Proyecto 4-10, Ciudad Guatemala
    AIC: Association of Accounting Publics-Miami-EEUU-Florida-2001-2054
    EDUACION GENERAL:
    PRIMARIA: 1,982- 1,986: Maria Cristina Benetz de Rolz.
    SECUNDARIA: 1,987- 1,989: Instituto Nacional Para Varones Adrián Zapata-INVAZ
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,990 – 1,990: Instituto Practica Comercial
    DIVERSIFICADO: 1,991 – 1,992: Escuela Nacional de Ciencias Comerciales No.2 ENCC2
    UNIVERSIDAD: 1,993 – 2,004: Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala USAC
    DOCTORADO AUTOR 2,001- 2,054: ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-
    CNN-2001-2054 -INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-ODM
    CURSOS EN GENERAL:
    WORD-FOX-BASE-QUATRO-PRO: 1990 – 1992- IMB-PC
    WORD-EXCEL-INTERNET-RED-OSI-TEXAS: 1993-2004
    DIPLOMADOS ISO9001-ISO 14001 – ISO 16000:2008 Colegio de Ingenieros
    DIPLOMADO:PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DERECHOS HUMANOS-2008
    DIPLOMADO:DDHH-2011– LIBERTADES FUNDAMENTALES-PRENSA-JUSTICIA-DDHH-2008
    DIPLOMADO:NIIF-INFORME COSO-2011
    CONFERENCES : GESTION DE CONTRALORY 2011-ESTADO DE INGRESOS Y EGRESOS
    OTROS
    AUTOR-DOCTORADO:PENTAGONO-POLITICALS – 2001 – 2054 – KREEMBLIM – POLITICALS-2001-2054–DIRECTORY- PENTAGONO- 2001- 2054- DIRECTORY- KREEMBLIM – 2001- 2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-2001-2054-POLITICALS ALL WORLD KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054- CIA-FBI-KGB-MINUGUA-CICIG-CNN-2001-2054-OBJECTIVES- OF- MILLENIUM -2001-2054- ODM-2001-2054-ALCANCE PRESIDENCIABLE IN: AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-DIRECTORY PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DIRECTORY KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ODM-2001-2054-MONARCHY PARLAMENT-2001-2054-ALL WORLD-2001-2054-DIRECTORY ALL WORLD PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-:2001-2054:
     INDIFINTIVE OBJECTIVE INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GUN RULE IN GAZA HAMMA ABBAS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     HARD JOURNEY TACTICALS VEHICLES INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     GABON AFRICA INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE – 2001-2054
     GLOBAL BUZZY TACTICALS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     LATIN FINACE BANKING GOVERNMENT SISTEMS-CONFERENCE -2001-2054
     MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY BANKING GOVERMENT SISTEMS CONFERENCE-2001-2054
     UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT-ICTS AS ON ENABLER FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT-UNITED NATIONS-PARLAMENT-UNCTAD-INFORMATION ECONOMY REPORT 2011-2040 – 2001-2054
     YACYRETRA BINACIONAL HIDROELECTRIC INDUSTRY WEEKLY-CONFEREN1980-2001-2054
     CATHIES HOTELERY –CATHIES TOURISM- AND ALL HOTELERY AND ALL TOURISM IN THE ALL WORLD CONFERENCE DIRECTORY–2001-2054
    EXPERIENCE WORK: SECTOR PUBLIC AND SECTOR PRIVATED –SECTOR JUSTICE – BLOCKS GOVERNMENT – ALL BINOMIOS POLTICALS -2001-2054 REFERENCES: PRESIDENT OF REPUBLIC-..
    NO MORE SPELLING, TO MY REQUERIMENT, TO MY CIVIL RIGHTS
    SINCERYLY:
    DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES:
    I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES,A-1 843,343, CUI:2294-32964-0101, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012. MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 14:00 TO 19:45 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00 AND THE INFORMATION MY SELFTH IS:USUARIO:77695040 AND USUARIO:78367545, VISITANT:17,129,752.969;PIN:77695040,PIN:19591886:PNI:195918862,ACCOUNT:78367545:AND ACCOUNT: 77695040 AND No. No. PIN:195918862:,http:// http://www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=608508&FID=e93b7836745-DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-DR-IN-GUATEMALA-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE: ALL DIRECTORY FIRMADO ORIGINAL; SIGNATURE ORIGINAL IN DIRECTORY, SINGAL IN DIRECTORY: AND TODAY 24/04/2012 18:11 TO 19:30 PM
    I SAY:

    I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES,A-1 843,343, CUI:2294-32964-0101, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012 AND ABRIL 2012 ,MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 18:11 TO 19:30 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00 AND THE INFORMATION MY SELFTH IS:USUARIO:77695040 AND USUARIO:78367545, VISITANT:17,129,752.969;PIN:77695040,PIN:19591886:PNI:195918862,ACCOUNT:78881823/. No. PIN:197204557:,http:// http://www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=608508&FID=e93b7836745-DR-FERNANDO,www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=612858&FID=84907,8881823-DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-DR-IN-GUATEMALA-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE, THE COMITE OF GIFTS OF PNI, LETS GET MORE OF 93,000 OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN, TO ACCOUNT OF THOUSANDS OF WONDER WINNER IN 41 COUNTRYS, AND LEST CREATE 18 MILLONARIES AND WINNER OF GIFTS OF TEN MILLONS OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN, USD TEN MILLONS. PNI, PATROCINATOR OF GIFTS ON LINE, LETS GET DAILY GIFTS TO TEN MILLONS OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN. AND RULERS OF PATROCINATOR:
    LETS GET DAILY GIFTS TO TEN MILLONS OF DOLLARS OF UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICAN. AND RULERS OF PATROCINATOR:
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 300.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 10,000.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,000.000.00
    TOTAL ELEGIBLE DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,010.300.00
    AND:
    PLEASE, SR PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA: I`M DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES, WINNER OF FREELOTTO ONLINE IN THE MONTHS:JULY2011,AUGUST2011,SEPTEMBER201,OCTOBER2011,NOVEMBER2011,DECEMBER2011,JANUARY2012,AND FEBRUARY 2012. MY FULL DATES IS THE NEXT: WINNER FREELOTTO ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 11 OF 2011, 17/11/2011 TO GAME: 14:00 TO 19:45 INCLUIDE ELEGIBLE AND PROVIDANCE AND CERTIBONOS TO MY NAME: DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES VALUE CERTIBNOS USD. 1000.00 TO 300 = USD 300,000.00 AND THE INFORMATION MY SELFTH IS:USUARIO:77695040 AND USUARIO:78367545, VISITANT:17,129,752.969;PIN:77695040,PIN:19591886:PNI:195918862,ACCOUNT:78367545: AND ACCOUNT: 77695040 AND No. No. PIN:195918862:,http:// http://www.FREELOTTO.COM/ASP?OFFER=608508&FID=e93b7836745-DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-DR-IN PENTGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-DR-IN-GUATEMALA-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCY.DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE,ELEGIBLE:TOTAL USD.11,160,000.00 PLEASE:
    PLASMANET, INC, P.O. BOX 4562, GRAND CENTRAL STATION NEW YORK, NY 10163
    AND THE TIME IN OFF IS YEAR 2013.
    HEITHEM THE AWARD COMMITTEE OF PNI HAS AWARED OVER NINETY SIX MILLIONS IN US DOLLARS TO THOUSANDS OF FORTUNE XEVIEP FURTS IN 41 COUNTRYS. CREATING NINETING NINETEEN MILLONARIES AND FOURTEN MILLIONS USD DOLLARS WINNER PNI AS BONGR OF ONLINE SWESPSITRIKEEN YIVE WAS AWARADS OF AMONUNTS VIT TO TEN MILLONS DOLLARS DAYLY: AND DECLARATIONS IN ELEGIBLE: FULL DATES DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES, AND PARTICIPATE IN GAMES:USD 337,800,000.00 AND PNI:197204557:
    MY GAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-14-21-28-35-42- 4-16-24-32-40-44- 4-8-2-16-20-24- 1-4-8-10-17-32
    4-16-24-32-40-48
    MYGAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 4-8-16-20-24-32- 4-12-16-24-32-44- 4-8-12-16-20-32- 4-12-24-32-40-44
    4-16-24-32-40-48
    MY GAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 4-8-16-24-32-40 4-18-12-16-20-24- 4-8-12-16-20-24 4-8-12-16-20-24
    4-16-24-32-40-44-48
    MY GAME:4-16-24-32-40-52 4-16-24-32-40-42 -4-12-20-32-40-44- 4-8-12-16-24-32 -4-12-16-24-40-44 4-8-16-24-32-40-44
    No1. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE USD. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE No1.TOTALPROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE
    No1. PROVIDANCY-ELEGIBLE USD.1,000.000.00 CASH CLASSIC FREE LOTTO® USD.1,000.000.00
    No2. PROVIDANCY USD. 50,000.00 NEW LOTTO WIN LUXURY CAR-FREE USD. 50,000.00
    No3. PROVIDANCY USD. 100,000.00 CASH-FREELOTTO PAY OFF YOUR MORTAGE USD. 100,000.00
    No4. PROVIDANCY USD. 10,000.00 CASH PRIZE-FREELOTTO FAST CASH USD 10,000.00
    No5. PROVIDANCY USD. 100,000.00 CASH-FREE-LOTTO USD 100,000.00GIVE AWAY USD. 100,000.00
    No6. PROVIDANCY USD10,000.000.00 FREE LOTTO ®SUPERBUCKS USD10,000.000.00
    TOTAL: No6. PROVIDANCY USD 11.260,000.00 PROJECT PAY DAY®GAME NOW FOR OVER IN PRIZES USD 11.260,000.00
    MYGAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-14-21-28-35-42- 4-16-24-32-40-44-4-8-2-16-20-24-1-4-8-10-17-32
    4-16-24-32-40-48
    MYGAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 4-8-16-20-24-32- 4-12-16-24-32-44- 4-8-12-16-20-32- 4-12-24-32-40-44
    4-16-24-32-40-48
    MY GAME:1-2-3-4-5-6- 4-8-16-24-32-40 4-18-12-16-20-24- 4-8-12-16-20-24 4-8-12-16-20-24
    4-16-24-32-40-44-48
    MY GAME:4-16-24-32-40-52 4-16-24-32-40-42 -4-12-20-32-40-44- 4-8-12-16-24-32 -4-12-16-24-40-44 4-8-16-24-32-40-44
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 300.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 10,000.00
    No. 1 ELEGIBLE 2011 DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,000.000.00
    TOTAL ELEGIBLE DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMRIEZ MURALLES-DR-IN-PENTAGONO-DR-IN-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-GUATEMALA-AMAERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ELEGIBLE-PROVIDENCIA-2011-2012 USD ELEGIBLE: USD 1,010.300.00

    DR IN: INDIFINTIVE OBJECTIVE INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    DR IN: GUN RULE IN GAZA HAMMA ABBAS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    DR IN: HARD JOURNEY TACTICALS VEHICLES INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    GABON AFRICA INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    GLOBALBUZZY TACTICALS INDUSTRY WEEKLY CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    LATIN FINANCE BANKING GOVERNMENT SISITEMS-CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY BANKING GOVERNMENT SISTEM CONFERENCE-2001-2054
    UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT-ICTS AS ON ENAB LER FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT-UNITED NATIONS-PARLAMENT-UNCTAD-INFORMATION ECONOMY REPORT-2001-2011-2054
    YACYRETRA BINACIONAL HIDROELECTRIC INDUSTRY WEEKLY-CONFERENCE-1980-2001-2054
    CATHIES HOTELERY-CATHIES TOURISM-AND ALL HOTELERY AND ALL TOURISM IN THE ALL WORLD CONFERENCE DIRECTORY-2001-2054

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERY THINGHS.
    GOOD BYE. WAITING THE SWICHTFINANCIAL.
    GET IN MY TWO ACCOUNT IN TOTAL 100% : TRANSFERING THE SWICHTFINANCIAL:
    BANRURAL ACCOUNT:324-501173-7:FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES:
    BANEX-G&T-CONTINENTAL-ACCOUNT:102-060326-7:FERNANDO-ENRIQUE-RAMIREZ MURALLES:
    DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES,CEDULA DE VENCIDAD A-1 843,343, AND CUI:2294-32964-0101,DRIN:PENTAGONO-2001-2054-DR IN:KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054

    FILE..WHITE HOUSE. BARACK OBAMA-FREELOTTO-ONLINE-BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT-EEUU–PENTAGONO-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054DR-FERNANDO ENRIQUE RAMIREZ MURALLES-2001-2054–PENTAGONO-2001-2054-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-CIA-FBI-KGB-CICIG-MINUGUA-CNN-2001-2054–PENTAGONO-2001-2054-KREEMBLIM-2001-2054-ONU-OTAN-OEA-ISAF-OMC-CNN-2001-2054–AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-MILLENIUM-OBJECTIVES-ALL WORLD-ORION-MONARCHY-2001-2054-AMERICA-AFRICA-ASIA-ASEAN COUNTRYS-EUROPE-OCEANIA-2001-2054-ALL DIRECTORY ALL WORLD-ALL MONARCHYS-2001-2054-ORION-

    May 18, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Reply
    • David

      To long, didn't read.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Reply
      • dbw

        me neither

        May 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
      • Dance This Mess Around

        Ditto.

        May 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • tin.tun

      ...dude...Are you writing the bible?...

      May 18, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
    • palintwit

      What a fucking asswipe

      May 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • dud

      Nobody read.

      May 19, 2012 at 12:50 am | Reply
    • what?

      CNN needs to cut down comments to 1 million words or less.

      May 19, 2012 at 6:59 am | Reply
  70. syd chaden

    NATO permits the US President to take actions and claim that the action is being taken by a "coalition", or, by the US "and its allies". It permits European countries, who refuse to field military forces capable of defending them, to speak as if they are military powers. The whole of NATO, without the US, could not, and would not, deter a third world country. The only joke funnier than NATO is the UN.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Reply
    • hamurabi

      Really?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Reply
    • Let's think this one through

      You're totally right. The fact that two of the other NATO countries have nukes is nothing. Who would be deterred by nukes.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
  71. citizenUSA

    We need NATO as much as we need The U. N. . We need some sort of alliances for sure but as the article mentions, and we've all seen it recently, many members are unwilling to participate or just can't due to budgetary issues.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
    • Flatsguide

      The UN has far outlived it's usefullness. They are a bunch of blood sucking leeches that suck money out of this country, vote against everything the U.S. wants or needs, runs up huge parking violation amounts in NYC. Move them to France.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Reply
      • Dance This Mess Around

        Before WW2 started, Several nations went to the (then) United league of nations to get
        Japan to stop attacking China.
        The results ?
        Japan just walked out of the league.
        The UN is useless because of the members that have vetos.
        Its a chess game with no winners.

        May 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  72. jimmy

    NATO stands for north atlantic treaty organization, and as long as afghanistan is in the north atlantic there sure is a need for NATO!

    May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am | Reply
  73. magneticink

    I agree with desert voice, robert k, and tyler. NATO is not perfect and the US usually does the heavy lifting, but the chaos that would ensue without NATO is unimaginable.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:49 am | Reply
    • Steve

      Any more Chaos then there is now? Tough to believe

      May 18, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
      • Tulip

        Really? You think that there is more chaos now then ever? Don't remember there being another world war since Nato and the improved quality of life around the world every decade.

        May 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      All wars are manufactured.
      There is no profit in peace.

      May 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Reply
  74. robert karder

    you better believe we need nato more than ever . trust the russians never . when one of their spy masters was most recently quizzed about operational procedures since we are supposed to be on better footing with the russians . he replied that espionage via the russian will continue as it always had in the past . have you ever cam across the russian plans for the armored invasion of europe . they are contemporary and i believe now they are posted on the net . it almost seems that your agency or site is suspect of belonging to russian intelligence . do you work for the soviets . is your network a front for russian intelligence services and agencies . to hazard a guess i would ventrue that you are in the employ of the soviets attempting to dismantle nato . something they are afraid of and can't control.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Badger

      The Chinese and Russians need US as much as we need them. To think that one of the three would attack the other is fantasy. I say that we need to collaborate with the Russians and Chinese beginning with space exploration. Talk about opening up new markets, Holy Wah! I have spent a lot of time in China and can tell you that the Chinese people are well intentioned and love Americans! I have not been to Russia (hopefully someday) but have heard good things about the Russian people from friends who have been there.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:27 am | Reply
      • Tyler

        People do not mistrust people, governments mistrust governments…and the people in Russia and China have very little say in what their government does or does not do.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:38 am |
  75. eroteme

    For numbers of years the U.S. has used NATO to give credibility and assistance to carry out U.S. policies. It is not surprising should NATO members finally realize they have been used.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Dennis

      Im sure every liberal and utopian deluded peacenik believes that, but the FACT is that whats good for the US is good for NATO / Europe, unless you assert that Islamic fascism in Aghanistan and it being used as a terrorist homeland is a good thing? Or that S. Hussein controlling or being able to destroy the supply of oil to the world was a good thing?
      I suppose you think NATO doesnt use the US for their own goals either? Like when the f'd up the Bosnia mission and had to ask the US for help? Or when NATO countries need their people rescued from whatever hole of a country they are in? Or for some one to take all the heat from Russia / China / Iran to give a hard line so Europe can play 'good cop' when its really them that benefits most from various 'US' initiatives.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:25 am | Reply
      • Tyler

        Agreed

        May 18, 2012 at 11:34 am |
      • eroteme

        I like that: what is good for the US is good for NATO. And we will lead. If we cannot lead we will quit.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:44 am |
      • Alan S

        Dennis: I believe you're correct. Eroteme contends that the Europeans in NATO realize they've been used. Used? By participating in an alliance that shielded them from Soviet attack or Communist political pressure? Used? By participating in an alliance that made possible a level of economic success that would have been unlikely without it?

        No, the Europeans have not been used by NATO. Eroteme is in error.

        May 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
      • Spirit

        Dennis – You are awesome.

        May 18, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
      • dud

        Thanks, Den.

        May 19, 2012 at 12:52 am |
      • Dance This Mess Around

        Right Dennis.

        It works like this.
        Manufacture a problem between two (or more) countries,
        sell weapons to both sides, and sit back and make a profit.
        Its been going on since Napoleon.
        The only real winner is the bank.

        When the Soviet Union fell, the military industrial machine found itself
        without an enemy.
        So they created one.
        Al Queda/Bin Laden/Taliban.
        Stroke of genius these guys
        as the "terrorists" have no national boundries.
        Attack Afganistan, they pop up in yemen.
        Attack Yemen, they pop up in Somalia.
        Whack-a-mole using your money and your childrens blood.
        It all comes under "patriotism" and its wrapped around the flag.

        May 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  76. Tyler

    As a soldier who has fought under NATO command in Afghanistan and a scholar of military history, I believe that NATO is the Key Stone in the global security of the world. What other nation or group of nations would take up the burned of global security? China? I hope not. Now NATO is not flawless and most of the European nations do not pull their own weight compared to the US and there is always politics involved with everything they do but the ideals, values and principles that NATO and other western nations stand for, is a good role model for the rest of the world. From a military point of view I believe NATO should expand to include other western nations around the globe (i.e. Australian, Taiwan, Japan, South Korean and Singapore) and become the most dominated, western, democratic military power in the world…forever. This would have security, social and economic benefits for the world and might damper the ambitions of raising nations if they choose not join the alliance. I can see a great future for NATO if only the western, democratic nations of the world solve the global financial problem.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:58 am | Reply
    • Badger

      Well this sounds a lot the Obama/Soros One World Order. No Thanks. U.S. troops should only be commanded by U.S. Officers period.

      NATO a keystone? Methinks not. Its a financial burden (more on America) on every member state wilst delivering absolutely no ROI.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:07 am | Reply
      • Dennis

        Being part of NATO doesnt mean US troops wont be under US orders.

        And part of Soros/Obama one world isnt even close to what NATO is, would you rather US work with the UN to get things done and be subject to the People Republic of (insert african/asian dictatorship here)'s whim?

        May 18, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • Tyler

        Every US service member in Afghanistan is under NATO, i.e. ISAF (international security assistant force) but take their day to day orders from US officers.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:29 am |
      • Dennis

        Tyler, actually only a portion of US forces are under ISAF, others are under USFOR-A, ie under direct US control and authority.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:34 am |
      • Tyler

        Ya, but we all have to wear that ISAF patch, did not see anyone without it.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:40 am |
      • Spirit

        Tyler – No. If you truly were military, you would understand that NATO is not ISAF, or vice-versa. All I will say is, look it up. And if you have a clearance, look it up in the "other" sources.

        May 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Alan S

      Tyler: Although I agree with most of what you wrote, are Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore "Western" nations? I too was a soldier, and I spent time in Korea and Japan. Can't say those were Western nations. You may be a scholar of military history, but perhaps not of geography.

      And on a broader note: if NATO expands to include Taiwan, Korea, and Japan, would it still be NATO? Those nations do not border the North Atlantic. And do we really want to enter into a binding NATO-type defense treaty with Taiwan? Would you really want all-out war with the PRC if they chose to use force against Taiwan? And do we want that sort of treaty with Japan, which so dramatically limits is military to a modest self-defense force?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        "And do we want that sort of treaty with Japan, which so dramatically limits is military to a modest self-defense force?"

        ...... I don't think they had much of a choice – the US took that away

        May 18, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
      • Pete

        It seems that AlanS and Tyler have missed something. The US has been in other treaties and as far as i know they are still part of those treaties. They are SEATO the South East Asian Treaty Organization includes S. Korea, and I believe a few more countries. Additionally there is ANZO the Australian New Zealand and the US. This is why Australia, Japan, New Zealand have contributed to some form or fashion to the War on terror.

        May 18, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
      • Mike haq

        SEATO!? Which world do you live in? Though thais and koreans contributed troops in vietnam under SEATO, UK flat out refused to do so. There is also the fact that US put sanctions on Pakistan, instead of air lifting supplies when they were fighting a war with India in 1971 (an insurgency supported by india). SEATO was very relevant as India had signed a friendship and peace treaty with USSR, so any pretense of non-alignment was gone. SEATO and CENTO aka baghdad pact are long gone (saddam withdrew first and the final nail in the coffin was the removal of shah in 1979).

        May 18, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  77. desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

    Can you imagine letting the thug Assad killing another 10,000 innocents? Could the world watch it but do nothing in the name of the principle that "all war is hell"? I could not, even if I am the only person left on earth! That is why some military actions are necessary! I wouldn't even call them "wars." It is inappropriate to call them "wars." They are vital police actions in the present world!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
  78. Badger

    in 2012, NATO and the UN are useless, impotent organizations that consume resources without returning anything good to society. They only serve as a vehicle for messages from Muslim fanatics and our other enemies. The US, Germany and UK need to get out of NATO/UN. As a former US soldier, I would/will never take orders from a blue helemeted UN/NATO douchebag. GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF THE SANDBOX AND LET THE TRIDENT SUBS DO THEIR JOB. A few MIRV's ought to "cleanse" those towelheaded fanatics. I would rather see one million muslim fanatics go to Allah than see one American soldier die.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
    • desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

      I am all for it if it could be done. I do not see how do you help Syria with a Trident Sub? This appear to be a mission that requires a surgical force, to spare the lives of civilians!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:58 am | Reply
      • Dennis

        Your assumption that we need to 'help' Syria at all may not be the answer, we 'helped' Egypt and Libya who are now turning to even worse islamic fascist states than they were. at least with assad we know what we have.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • ProphetJesusisnotGod

      Not at all even from the beginning, look the history of NATO (None believer alliance Terrorist Organization), killing of over a million Muslim in IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN n else, let alone the destruction n all the heinous crime against humanity, a war criminals state sponsor terrorist thugs. http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

      May 18, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply
      • Andre

        I love how you're quick to talk about the misguided actions of a few and are not willing to open your eyes to the kind and thoughtful actions of the many. Having been deployed to Iraq I can tell you first-hand that we often went out to schools to give out supplies, and you never seem to hear the stories of military members helping the civilians even though it occurs every day. No, instead let's keep energizing and perpetuating the cycle of hate that makes war what it is today.

        My problem with NATO and the UN is that WE of the United States support all their strings like puppets; why don't we let the strings go and let these guys attempt to stand up on their own? Lets stop funneling money to organizations that expect US to handle all their dirty work and make them stand up for themselves.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:15 am |
      • Dennis

        Really? NATO/US killed 1 million?
        Obviously you display your amazing reading comprehension skill to the world when you post that considering that even the most shady 'counts' put the US inflicted casualties no where near that, your reading comprehension skills must not have been able to comprehend that about 950K plus of those million were sectarian violence.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Eric

      I second that

      May 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  79. desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

    Rather than dismantling NATO, I would make it so powerful a force, that the perennial aggressor nations fear before they attack the weaker nations! No more Paper Tigers! the new International Force must be apolitical. No UN veto can overrule such force, as happened in Syria! Such force is vital in today's world! It must command all kinds of special forces and missile defenses. It must have the best arms available. It must have representatives, open or covert in all nations!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Andre

      NATO would be a great idea if it didn't hide behind the might of the US and stood as it's OWN organization with equal contributions from all countries. As it is, we ARE NATO, and we provide not only the funding but the troops for most NATO conflicts. To be honest, we need to stop playing world police for a few years and get our stuff straight; only until we have a solid economy can we point our fingers at others and say, "get in line." If the UN was such an awesome thing to behold, why do we still have situations like Syria occurring? Let THEM get their hands dirty for once (then again we 50% of their funding too! Ugh!!!). Sometimes I think this is the only nation that really gives a damn about world peace, and sometimes I think our peace is a "calm down or else" peace. Guess it goes back to "walk softly, but carry a big stick."

      May 18, 2012 at 11:22 am | Reply
  80. mikrik13

    No.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply
  81. Julnor

    If I were President, pulling out of NATO would be the first move. I'm not saying that alliances are not necessary, but this alliance is outdated and requires the USA to do things that may not be in our interest. Scrap it and start anew.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:43 am | Reply
  82. desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

    Just imagine what happens if Wladimir Putin follows up on his threat and attacks the missile defense shield, in Poland, or elsewhere. This would be an act of war! Who if not NATO will deter him? Who will stop the war?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:39 am | Reply
  83. desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

    I did not publish this post before. Someone is trying to censor me desperately. What I have been trying to post, is that we do need some force to meet our international obligations! We do not need NATO? And who will defend Poland and Georgia, if Russia attacks? Some powerful international force must keep Russia and China in check, or else the World War Three will be inevitable!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
    • Julnor

      And we (USA) care if Poland gets attacked, because....? Sounds like a European problem.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
      • desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

        First, Poland has a protection agreement with the U.S. and with NATO. Second, if you know history, Europe was nowhere when Hitler attacked. This history must never be repeated! You speak like Roosevelt, by the way. Exactly so. He said, "Hitler is an European problem". He changed his mind the day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor!

        May 18, 2012 at 11:03 am |
      • Michael Rutkowski

        Julnor, you skipped couple of years of history in school... We don't need Poland? During Operation Iraqi Freedom they secured port at Umm Qasr. Not to mention top secret action before when they smuggled CIA operatives from Iraq before the invasion... Did you even know that Poland was/is 3rd largest coalition force in IRAQ? Do I need to go back to WWII, or maybe you should brush up on American Revolution and Civil War? Did you read in history book in school about haddeus Kosciuszko and Casimir Pulaski? Who founded West Point? You know where the cream of the crop becomes the generals of US forces... For some people IGNORANCE is a bliss.

        May 18, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Tulip

      I'm sure that someone will nuke them. Oh wait that's why they didn't expand during the cold war, and why we don't. Anyway I don't remember Russia fighting any private wars since 1991. What's the incentive? Defense is easy when the attacker is sure to be vaporized within a day of attacking. It's the rogue nations that don't care that we have to watch out for.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Reply
  84. desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

    We do not need NATO? And who will defend Poland and Georgia, if Russia attacks? Some powerful international force must keep Russia and China in check, or else the World War Three will be inevitable!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
  85. DAVID KAPLAN

    NATO needs to be updated. How's having a country hellbent on becoming an Islmic fundamentalist state inside NATO working out for you? With much worse to come, btw.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
    • hamurabi

      Don't start dreaming! Israel will never be a member of NATO!

      May 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Reply
  86. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Perhaps if we learn to promote world peace and not have a double standard foreign policy where we favor some countries and call others axels of evil, then there'd be no need for NATO anymore!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:13 am | Reply
    • rick

      what us an "axel of evil"? a singer for the "guns and roses"? a device that holds a tire on taliban truck?

      May 18, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
  87. Ad-Hoc

    NATO should remain as a deterence from unwanted conflict, since no single nation would even dare take on a multinational alliance by themselves anyways. However, I think NATO needs to clarify their mission statement to the world and even rewrite it to make it more up to date in the post "War on Terror" world if they wish to continue their alliance. Some may argue that without NATO's existence, we'll be living in a world where there's no enforcement on peace and would only spring up more conflict because there's no force that can really stop the violence that can become an international issue.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
    • kake79

      @Ad-Hoc... Agreed. First, every NATO member should commit to x% of GDP being given to NATO for the budget so no one country is carrying the bulk of the burden of costs. Then, NATO should be used as a deterrent to non-NATO countries attacking any NATO-member country. And, finally, NATO should be the avenue/means of cooperation amongst member-nations for sharing intelligence, etc.

      But using it (as we have in recent years) as the World Police Force led by, and financed by, the U.S. is ridiculous. It was not why NATO was formed and isn't how NATO should be used.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
  88. Keith

    All war is a crime against humanity.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
    • DAVID KAPLAN

      In other words, if they came to kill you but you killed them in self defense you should be tried as a war criminal?
      What a complete ass!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:23 am | Reply
      • desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

        I don't know who you are referring to. Neither do I understand your point. I have said that reasonable defense is legitimate in today's world. It's also a must! Anybody who thinks otherwise needs an urgent mental exam!

        May 18, 2012 at 10:52 am |
      • hamurabi

        Yes, killing babies and children unnecessarily is a crime against humanity!

        May 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
      • Keith

        When we are in a foreign country we are not committing self defense, we are committing murder.

        America has not defended themselves since 1942, the rest of the time we have been the aggressor.

        If you want to have a discussion I suggest you learn how to express yourself without being rude.

        May 19, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
      • TOMG

        KARMA BABY FROM ALL THE HELL OF GREAT CAUSE AND AFFECT FROM MANY MANY THOUSAND OF YEARS ALREADY , AMEN .

        May 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

      I agree. But how about a just war in defense of your country, family, children? There are justified wars, and evil, unjustified wars. NATO has been conceived to fight good, defensive wars!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
      • Keith

        Just war theory (or Bellum iustum), is a doctrine of military ethics of Roman philosophical and Catholic origin, studied by moral theologians, ethicists and international policy makers, which holds that a violent conflict ought to meet philosophical, religious or political criteria.

        In my opinion Thomas Aquinas, the originator of this theory was wrong.

        Self defense is a much different argument than a "Just War”. I am all for self defense. When they come I will meet them at the beach and defend us with the best Americans at my side.

        May 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  89. THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

    IT IS A HUGE FAILURE , AND THE COST TO NATO TROOPS & FAMILIES IS CRIMINAL , can these obama camp guys look into the eyes of the broken families and say afghanistan is a victory and worth the pain and lost that these families have suffered .

    CHILDEREN WITH OUT PARENTS ,,, FOR WHAT ?

    May 18, 2012 at 7:18 am | Reply
    • michaelfury

      http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/those-who-would-tear-the-world-down/

      May 18, 2012 at 7:37 am | Reply
    • JayBee

      honestly dude what does this have to do with the article? War sucks, its also expensive, what does that have to do with the Obama camp, and would you rather the Obama camp look into the families' eyes and say the war was a complete and total loss/failure?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • Andre

      Parents AND children die EVERY DAY in EVERY COUNTRY for EVERY REASON, to include war, hunger, genocide, and terrorism. Our selfish point of view as Americans tends to make us forget that. The problem is, we can't be the world police; that is the job of the UN and they sure don't see it as such. The only thing we can do is make our calls as best we can as fits our codes of ethics and morality. Our "friend" in Syria would not be alive right now if I was president; you wouldn't know I had a hand in it because I'd order a black ops assassination. But that would be considered wrong to some, wouldn't it? Even if it saves thousands of lives? All you can do is make your best judgement call; beyond that it's a crapshoot.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
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