Feds need more computer defense experts, Napolitano says
April 21st, 2012
07:41 PM ET

Feds need more computer defense experts, Napolitano says

By CNN's Rene Marsh

The federal government says a potential cyberattack is the most serious economic and national security threat the United States faces, but it faces a shortage of skilled experts who could head off that threat, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warns.

There's a huge job market for cyberwarriors who can protect the nation's computer networks from an attack, but many of those jobs are going unfilled, Napolitano said.

"There is a lack of expertise and there are a lot of people clamoring for people who know the internet well," said Napolitano, who called electronic security her No. 1 concern. "Millions of people use the internet every day, and we want that - that's a good thing. But there is this dark side, and that's what we need to be protecting against."

Homeland Security says it responded to more than 106,000 cyberattacks in 2011. Napolitano says without more experts in repelling those incursions, the U.S. economy could be the biggest casualty.

A successful attack could mean another country stealing American intellectual property, like technology, research or trade secrets. Experts say over time, all the advantages the United States has because of its innovation would dwindle, leaving the country unable to compete with other economies that have stolen American intellectual property. Industry insiders estimate the economic loss could be in the billions of dollars.

Homeland Security says thousands of such experts already work in the federal government, but there's a desperate need for more.

"We need analysts. We need people who are engineers. We need people who are experienced in intelligence as it relates to the cyber-universe," Napolitano said.

George Washington University is on a short list of institutions answering the need. The university will launch a masters' program in cybersecurity in the fall, and George Washington University Professor Lance Hoffman says the school often gets calls from companies and government agencies who want to hire students with computer expertise and training.

Hoffman told CNN that students graduating from George Washington with a cybersecurity degree have the know-how to build secure systems that are not easily penetrated. Rather than reacting to cyberattacks, he said, graduates will know how to predict vulnerabilities and build a system to prevent attacks. Logic and a solid math, technology and science background are pluses.

Kevin Mandia's security firm responds to corporate breaches, determining how the system was compromised and how to fix it. But with only 220 people on staff, Mandiant's response is mostly reactive. The security firm says it can't match the current demand from corporations who have been hacked.
"There's definitely a shortage of cybersecurity experts, and there's a lot of reasons for that," Mandia said. "It takes a long time to learn how to be a cybersecurity expert."

Mandia said the six- to eight-year grooming process in a challenging field may be keeping people away. But industry insiders say stopping attacks before they happen is impossible without more qualified people in place, and both private and federal experts say the consequences of not filling these positions could be great.

To bridge the gap, Napolitano has been traveling to universities to promote the opportunities available within her agency. Homeland Security is also helping universities shape their courses to match the needs of the department.

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  1. Cecil Ritchlin

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  4. beads

    Problem isn't salaries – there are many six figure salaries available once your qualified. Its the overall time it takes, not to mention the years involved to become qualified.

    The ongoing joke in security circles is that security is what you do AFTER mastering one of the three pillars of IT. Those being a solid background in on of the following: Development; Infrastructure or Database Administraion. Without a strong background sprinkled with a solid understanding of business needs your actually pretty useless to us in security. This isn't a learn the rules and turn a screw into a slot kind of business. Its the hardest discipline in all of IT and it pays very well once you know what your doing. Thats why most security people at this point have 7-12 years of security experience and 20 coming out of one of the pillars. Thats why you see these rediculously low salaries for entry level people, because they don't offer much in the way of value.

    There are few shortcuts to high paying jobs. Oh, sure occasionally on the hacking side of the house but frankly, hackers are dime a dozen in this field. Generally, young, motivated individuals who can rise to stardom quickly but generally lacking in any business sense as to the why's and what's to do rather concentrating on the how to do's. In other words generally one trick ponies, for the most part but we love them anyway.

    Don't believe there are six figure jobs out there? You need to search job boards with terms like: CISSP or CCIE Security and get back to me. Both certifications require 5 years of prior training in security. OK the Cisco CCIE is a bit more relaxed about time but there are many others that fit into the same catagory. The average CISSP makes $98,000 annually depending on locaton, etc. CCIEs much more.

    So stop whining! You need the right background before being elevated to higher salaries like any other industry.

    beads CISSP (add plethora of other certs here)

    April 25, 2012 at 10:00 am | Reply
  5. E

    Not no but hell now no thank you.

    April 23, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Reply
  6. Osiris

    Israel is the leader in cyber warfare tech.

    What stupid Americans seem not to understand, is that Jews are chosen people.

    We will reap the rewards of our faithful service to Yahweh.

    The goyim of this world should be happy to fight over the scraps that we Jews throw from table.

    Israel will reign supreme over earth, and anybody challenging that assertion will be conquered, with the help of US military.

    You people may not like us Jews, but you WILL learn to fear us.

    If a few of you must die to save a few of us....that's a bargain I can live with. Your own nations agree with me on this.

    Long may Israel reign.

    April 22, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
    • YOUR ARE FOOLISH

      your post remarks in referance to israel is of the slander attack type , you do not fool anyone fool .

      you might be interested to know that a 28 year old saudi who hacked israeli sights was found dead today , check it out , go to jpost laddy

      April 23, 2012 at 1:04 am | Reply
    • puddintame

      Oh brother .... another bored cyber DA attempting more reverse psychology .... go back to high school

      May 5, 2013 at 9:59 am | Reply
  7. Mary Stone

    The government ruled Microsoft in violation of H-1B laws, forcing a British H-1B from Canada to work without pay:

    http://tinyurl.com/7lhq6yc

    Congress should worry more about the cheap H-1B body shops doing more to bury America than Kruschev ever did.

    Tesla and Dyson created jobs and industries. H-1Bs are temporary contractors who charge less per hour than Americans to get excited when Wal-Mart needs to fill shelves, Steve Ballmer wants to copy Google or Mark Zuckleberg shouts "Eureka, let's create a web app for uploading photos and stuff".

    It is not bringing Galileo or Alan Turing to American shores. Cyberattacks are symptomatic of a creaking infrastructure built by the same sort of minds that don't think about termites until the roof caves in. When an autistic person can hack into national security looking for evidence of Roswell cover ups, you know America is on the skids.

    April 22, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply
    • Blind sided

      that is funny ! good one.

      April 22, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  8. jalek

    They should do what private companies do, hire H1B workers. Congress allowed the wage levels to get driven down with them in the 90's as tech companies complained and this is the result. Jobs I worked then now pay half what they did.

    If they worry about security, just hire from an "ally", like Pakistan.

    April 22, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
    • Splooge

      Or India.

      April 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  9. Blind sided

    FIRST OF ALL, selling cars needs a dealership.
    to these good folks of the nsa , transportation is a necessity to all , so the methods are diverse , but the common factor of transportation is an energy supply , whether its a bicycle or a suv or a sailboat , energy is required to conduct the task of the type of operation in use in regards to the vehicle type.

    HINT , filter the energy draw and the and the low performance vehicle types will be washed out of the sifter and the only thing left is the gold in the pan.
    so in order to comunicate with a source the vehicle would have to be high performance eliminating most of the congested traffic. we can use our computers but we have no clue of the performance it is operating at , so if i am like most of us operating in third gear and there are those using higher gears , then the fast lane traffic becomes isolated.

    in short you guys police a window , LOOKING AT THE CARS THROUGH THE WINDOW can take longer and more effort , so this my be already be in place but i doubt it, you guys are a whole lot smarter the 90% of us , so give it a thought . if you cannot communicate with one until you also get in the fast lane the the energy being used in the service provider is a flag and a location.
    good luck .

    April 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Reply
  10. Alan

    The problem is that there is no employment in cybersecurity and most of IT without 2 to 10 years experience. As a working adult trying to make a career change I am well aware of that. I just finished a Masters in Computer Science and unless I want to work at a help desk there are basically no entry level jobs. I am a working adult and don't have time or financial resources to mess around as an intern or vounteeer for some company to "build experience" Everyone is screaming they need more engineers, scientists and technology people but go out and actually try to find a real entry level job in it in the US. I think most of the IT jobs are posted with outrageous requirements just so the companies have an excuse to offshore the work (or do it here using a H1B visa) since no American citizen is qualified. It would be interesting to see how qualified the people who actually get the jobs turn out to be. More qualified or just willing to work cheaper.

    April 22, 2012 at 2:40 am | Reply
    • Stop Discriminating

      Our Congress needs to wake up and reform how they hire federal workers. For example, these jobs above – who in their right mind would graduate with a MS or DS and take a GS-7 ($38 a year) or GS-9 ($43K), respectfully, job when a civilian company will hire them starting around $70K or higher? Contrary to popular belief, most federal workers are GS-7s to GS-11s – they make nowhere near the $100K+ mark our Congress(wo)men make. This is if they can find a GS-7 job starting; most start as a GS-5 or lower.

      Also, they need to stop discriminating. Jim Crow has been dead a long time and the Civil Right Movement was in full swing 50+ years ago – that is at least two generations of hiring. Unless you have some disability and special circumstance (such as being a wounded veteran), white males are not hired in the federal system – period. Once a white male is hired, he is stuck because he cannot advance. This rolls into the type of students graduating in IT and science fields (www.nces.ed.gov); most are foreign, white, or of Asian decent. If the federal government wants to fill these vacancies, they need to change their hiring policies. (NOTE: before commenting about being a racist, please look up the hiring facts on http://www.opm.gov).

      April 22, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
    • Shane Wegner

      On the "entry level position" problem, there is an unusual solution which I confess is not for everyone: military. The window is closing, but for a while they were happy to take a high school graduate who had used Facebook a few times, could more or less wear a uniform and obey orders- as long as they were willing to sign up for four, five or six years. Their thinking? As long as they have a basic aptitude for learning, they can be trained in cyber. So what if you come in with a good understanding already? You'll go far, get the real world experience, and get paid for it.

      If I had a Masters in Cyber and didn't mind working for the Man for a while, and needed some entry level experience, one option would be go chat with a recruiter and end up with a contract for CTN (Navy) or 3D0X2 (?? Air Force).

      April 23, 2012 at 1:02 am | Reply
  11. J

    Keeping daily track of LAN networks and cloud systems in danger of being hacked is one thing. Teaching against type is another. When one tries to evaluate potential for hacking in computer tech students, based upon several various reports of known hacker criminal history and law enforcement experience, and then reach decisions about changing the awareness of the potential types of people most likely to hack, (anywhere) it's still like shooting at shadows in the dark. But when 24/7 guardians can shut a system down, and/or determine accurately the origin of a hack after a hack alert and disengage the hacker (and there are ways to write that into sensitive computer programming in industry) , the problems today might become seemingly less of a priority, and Internet defending protocol and security-level programming could turn out the way it used to be – adding protections from LAN to LAN and during intersystem communications as a first defense strategy, and that would not appear as complicated as it is today.

    April 22, 2012 at 2:23 am | Reply
  12. Major Tom

    Bush destroyed America.

    April 22, 2012 at 2:17 am | Reply
    • Conocidos

      Euge | May 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm | Ok step in the right direction, but how hard is this going to be for us UI dreegnsis/developers?For instance how many people are still having issues writing css that all browsers can read without having to hack it up a bit. IE, 6 -7 ring alarm bells! Hell talk about throw things back a few years. I know these browsers wont live for ever but there are still people still using these redundant old browsers, half the reason why flash was introduced in the first place – runs on all browses and platforms universally.The turn around time for open standards such as html 5 is too slow, and not everyone adopts them the same. At the current rate it’ll be another 10 years before its up to speed with flash, by that time we would have moved on.Things need to speed up before we can start using it properly. If you guys are that serious about it then make it work, create tools and flash equivalent applications that help dreegnsis use html5 in all its glory.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
  13. chris

    it's nice to see our Attorney General catching up with the 90s....

    April 22, 2012 at 2:12 am | Reply
  14. 66Biker

    I think that by the time someone is ready for college, it's a little late to start recruiting people to work in cybersecurity. They should start with junior high school students. After all, that is where the hackers get their best people from...

    April 22, 2012 at 1:56 am | Reply
  15. Face

    Turn the tables on China and hire their best at prices that will bring them here. Most of them know the Chinese infrastructure and could be used in cyber warfare against our enemy China. Pay them.

    April 22, 2012 at 1:19 am | Reply
    • Splooge

      Sure. With the money we own China.

      April 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
      • Splooge

        'owe'

        April 22, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  16. Code Monkey

    Rule number one: Don't ever put anything online if you don't want the whole world to access it.

    Rule number two: Don't EVER put ANYTHING online if you don't want the WHOLE WORLD to access it.

    Is the security flaw in the internet, or with strategists who insist upon trying to maintain an ever-increasing dependence upon an ultimately indefensible position? I bank online because it's convenient. In exchange for that ease of transaction I'm willing to risk the occasional hack from the Chinese mafia, like the unauthorized charge to my Xbox account that I discovered last winter. If I wanted to keep my money totally secure I'd bury it in a mason jar. Ask yourselves how you would safeguard sensitive data if the network were compromised... because it already is. The internet is NOT secure. It never was. It never will be. Adapt to that reality instead of trying to conquer it. If you think the risk-reward calculation benefits your business that's fine, but if someone hacks your server and steals your top secret missile technology or those embarrassing photos you thought only your friends would see, don't come crying to me. I told you not to put that stuff online.

    April 22, 2012 at 12:08 am | Reply
    • JoeBurmeister

      There is the intERnet (that you are talking about) and then there is the inTRAnet (a corporate internal network). Most of the hackers try to get into corporate networks (DoD, DHS, NRC, BOA, etc) where they can cause the most damage. They are not at all concerned with hacking into your facebook page (i.e. the internet) ,or your puny bank/credit card accounts, well at least not the professional cyber terrorists.

      April 22, 2012 at 1:39 am | Reply
      • KF

        Thats great... except that the intranets are connected to the internet... which leaves them vulnerable to attack. So pointing out the difference between the two is a moot point in this case.

        April 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
  17. no dhs

    We need to abolish our form of the Gestappo The DHS

    Janet Napolitano should be in prison

    April 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Reply
    • Face

      Sure, as soon as we arrest Bush for crimes against the State.

      April 22, 2012 at 1:20 am | Reply
      • Premal D.Shah

        I cannot understand one thing. Clinton was impeached because of his relationship with Lewinsky. Why can we not impeach George bush for taking America into a wrong war?

        April 22, 2012 at 1:30 am |
      • chris

        if you can't understand the penalty for lying under oath i do feel sorry for you.

        April 22, 2012 at 2:13 am |
      • Adam Deltree

        You are made of pure brilliance. How can you impeach George Bush when he is no longer the President?

        April 22, 2012 at 3:07 am |
  18. Steve

    Cyber-security is a joke in this country. Just keep sending computer work overseas and you'll get what you pay for, America. Want some security with expertise and capability to fend off attacks? Higher the capable, educated, skilled professionals who know what they're doing. Enough with America embracing ignorance and stupidity. Really, enough already.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Reply
  19. deepblusea

    Yeomans is out of touch with reality. The Air Force, for that matter any military organization does not have the personnel or the courses for cyber-security. It is not hard to write lines of code once taught, but to defend against a cyberattack is a very different animal.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Reply
  20. cheese

    American "college graduates" are more interested in theater studies and visual arts than any other form of a useful degree.

    Just look at the statistics, less than 1 in 5 college graduates have a science, medical or mathematical degree.

    Perhaps the US government should take that into account. We're producing too many bureaucrats, pen-pushers and desk jockeys and too little doctors and engineers.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Reply
    • ibn Franko

      I hear what you're saying, but you can't make people take something they don't want to. Hell, it's expensive enough just to obtain a diploma of dubious merit, let alone a medical degree.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Reply
      • KF

        So maybe the government should restrict student aid to degree programs that would actually be useful? Or add more TA for science related fields... the government is supposed to be here to guide and aid society, not an individual who feels like he wants an arts degree.

        April 22, 2012 at 3:51 am |
      • Miwako

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        May 23, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
  21. neephee

    Yet another example of how the US govt is far behind criminals in sophistication and technology, just like we are with the drug cartels that we is doing next to nothing about.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • ThomasMcG@CLC

      Actually, the government has access to the best technology in the world in computer forensics and data recovery, but their case load is completely unmanageable now due to manpower constraints. Part of Uncle Sam's problem are some of the more artificial constraints placed on new hires, such as the arbitrary age limit of newly sworn law officers at 37. Computer science in general requires a lot of discipline, and you won't often find it in 22 year-olds you can "groom" fresh out of college. If they want more qualified applicants, then it's time to open up the pool to more mature students changing careers that might already have a STEM background but lack the specific experience in the security field.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Reply
    • Face

      You live in Fantasyland

      April 22, 2012 at 1:21 am | Reply
  22. Neutronstar

    The only problem is, when they hire computer defense experts to block cyber attacks, who watches them? Furthermore, would they ever consider hiring a naturalized US citizen from China? India? Russia? the Middle East? Try sleeping on that...

    April 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • Cambride Ray

      "Furthermore, would they ever consider hiring a naturalized US citizen from China? India? Russia? the Middle East? Try sleeping on that..."

      Essentially ALL TRAITORS to the US have been Anglos.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Reply
      • cahoosier

        Do some more research on that, Ray. Besides, many more non-Americans engage in industrial espionage. Can't be a traitor if you're not a citizen of that country.

        April 22, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • Luna

      thebear | April 23, 2010 at 2:59 pm | @69Are you kidding?“This level of code is benoyd the vast majority of web site devs and it doesn’t even work correctly.”If you are developing websites and you can’t work out this code, you my friend are shortchanging your customers and giving the industry a bad name.” If you are a prfessional, HTML5 is not ready for primetime.”shows you are a windows, ie centric fool.There is more to computing than “Microsoft”

      August 3, 2012 at 4:05 am | Reply
  23. Blame Bush

    Thanks to the GOP, wages of Federal workers has been frozen for two years. True "experts" don't work for cheap.

    The Ryan budget would take even more of their pay by raising employee contributions to the pension fund, and the Ryan budget would cut 100,000 positions from the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security (DOD and DHS).

    Meanwhile, other GOP'ers are actively trying to destroy science curricula in schools in favor of teaching the mythology of creationism. I guess they expect Noah's Ark to scare off the Chinese....

    Anyone see a pattern here.....

    April 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply
  24. ted

    Graduating with Phd in computer engineering with a focus on security. I work for the govt who paid for school, but given I could pay back my loan to the govt in the first year of going private with the salary bump, and the govt will not give me a raise. You can see where this is headed.

    April 21, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Reply
  25. Nancy

    The craziest thing is how much data is available that shouldn't even be close to a network server. Take it offline and the problem goes away.

    April 21, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • ThomasMcG@CLC

      Absolutely correct Nancy. The only network edge companies that deal in sensitive technology, trade secrets, or military/intelligence tech should be their physical edge; they should all be "off grid."

      April 21, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      II disagree completely. Have you heard of the term social engineering? Taking a network, or server offline does nothing to help security. Read up on the nature of computational science, social sciences, and "hacking", and it will become more clear to you what the nature of the threat is all about.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Reply
      • Amit

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    • AGuest9

      Really want to be scared? How about your electric company's command and control systems? Why are THEY on the internet?

      April 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Reply
  26. Cambride Ray

    The Tea Party will block the required funds, hope (actually, they pray to God) for a catastrophe and then blame Obama.

    April 21, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      If he is skimping on IT, then he is skimping on national security. End of story.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  27. NO_BS_GUY

    Anyone that is a skilled hacker (or tagged cyber terrorist, by the US governments standards), has no intention of helping undo their playground. The best and brightest don't work for the government, at any level, mediocre thinkers and practitioners are about the best that will show up, because they need to find a job that they can be equally worthless at.
    To catch the best you must be the best, and with what they are paying, not a snowballs chance in hell of it ever happening. We laugh at this !!!

    April 21, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      Hey Full of BS Guy, that is certainly not true. U.S. government pays BIG bucks and uses the services of some of the best IT consulting minds in the world.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Reply
      • Allen1980

        "Big bucks" is a matter of perspective. Considering that the GS pay scale is pretty rigid, unless you are working for them as an outside consultant, you are certainly not going to be making "big bucks" working for Uncle Samantha. Invariably, you will be in the greater D.C. area (or Virginia) paying out the nose to live there. A GS-9 Step 6 receives around $50K and a GS-12 Step 6 makes $70K. You still have to pay taxes and live in that area. Even if it was somewhere else in the country, those numbers are not high enough for the position.

        April 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
      • NO_BS_GUY

        Hypothetically, I could make more $$$ in a day hacking certain websites information, then you make in 10 years. You do the math, if your public school education allows you think like that. Again to catch the best, you must be the best. Something I do believe you are not.

        April 21, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
      • NO_BS_GUY

        I forgot to add that most IT types are ones that flunked out of the computer science and engineering programs. Because they found it too hard. Great minds I think not !!

        April 21, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
      • AGuest9

        Absolutely, Allen1980. I love to watch the new "freshmen" come into Congress. The first thing heard is the whining about how much it costs to buy a house in DC. Now, let's discuss how "overpaid" those feds are! $75k a year sounds like a lot of money in Peoria, but is a starting salary in DC, or NY or Boston.

        April 21, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
      • KF

        Hate to break it to you Allen but the majority of the security experts the government uses are civilian contractors. The GS or military guys are not the "experts" they're the grunts running scripts and making sure the equipment is set up correctly. You're right that very few of the really smart guys are in the government because they do their time and then come back as contractors. But in the grand scheme of things the government does pay big money for this stuff... just not to the government employees.

        April 22, 2012 at 3:58 am |
    • Bukh Arkady

      My law firm cover criminal defense of many high profile hackers. Google me. You are absolutely right. My clients was making from $1M to $40M or more a year.Structure should be changed. My guys is from the best Moscow and Kiev Universities with 5-10 years of experience.Working 20 hours a day to still from us.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Reply
  28. Cambride Ray

    Step Number One:

    Get rid of Microsoft Windows servers (desktops are fine).

    April 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Face

      Nut-worthy

      April 22, 2012 at 1:34 am | Reply
  29. MidWestern Boy

    Part of the reason we have a lack of expertise is because US businesses, (particularly large Insurance Companies) are allowed to import thousands of technical workers from India and other countries to program their computer systems. They save some money, but jobs and computer systems expertise that could benefit the U.S. and U.S. citizens go to others instead.

    April 21, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Reply
    • tat

      So true, We call them off shore consultants. The cost of doing business with those countries entail hiring them. Our country is imploding thanks to corporate and government greed> but that is a different blog

      April 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Reply
      • Allen1980

        Yes, I think all can agree with that. In the end, you can't tell someone to go get experience and pay the price of education while, only offering them a small salary afterward. Corporations, and the government, always want it their way and when they find out they can't get what they want, these types of articles show up proclaiming that "it is important" and "your country needs you", etc. I can't even count how many articles, like this, I have seen on many other news websites lately. What a mess.

        April 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Nancy

      That's the Wall Street casino mentality at work. We are "run" by bean counters now, not people who have any idea what is going on.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Reply
      • ibn Franko

        Far, far too many sociopaths in positions of power and influence within government and big business.

        April 21, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Rajan Pandya

      Top engineering & med schools in India & China are practically free or very low cost to attend. Combine that with the 2+ Billion people there, and you have a global talent pool that commands rising incomes.
      Do the same in the US, and you'd see more Americans become a part of that same talent pool.

      April 22, 2012 at 8:47 am | Reply
  30. Miquel

    "I was dumped from AT&T when they sent a whole organization of 5000 technical people to a contracting company and immediately replaced them with Indians.
    I visited their technical locations and they are 95% young Indian guys who replaced most of the let-go middle-aged technical employees.

    I've got 25 years experience and an MS in comp sci in the exact skills listed for their open jobs and they won't hire me or my suffering well-educated colleagues.

    It's plain and simple dump-the-Americans-for-Indians, no more no less. This statement by AT&T that they can't find qualified Americans with technical skills is sickening hypocrisy. I was a skilled worker that spearheaded and successfully delivered entire projects in record time and still got railroaded out when they hired barely-skilled H1B Indians and offshore Indians by the planeload using the money they saved from their monopoly-days nest egg. Shame on AT&T. "

    April 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Reply
    • Allen1980

      You have not been reading between the lines Miquel, they are saying that they cannot fill those positions at the salary which they are willing to pay.... The indians, and others, are willing to do the work for far less than someone from the U.S. with the same credentials; THAT is the reality.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:08 pm | Reply
      • mikeintx

        Maybe Indians can "do the work", but they cannot do quality work. I work with Indians every day at an oil company, and I know what I am talking about. They write the worst code that always is full of bugs and inneficiencies. It is quite frustrating to work with them.

        April 22, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  31. olepi

    Hmm, maybe I should volunteer. I've been on the Net for 35 years :)

    April 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Reply
    • tat

      surfing the net for porn does not count

      April 21, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Reply
      • olepi

        I was a UNIX kernel programmer and ARPANET administrator 35 years ago. There was no porn then, it was all military.

        Sorry, try again.

        April 21, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
      • ibn Franko

        .......damn!

        April 21, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
  32. tat

    The people who can do this job can't be found in a campus. You want the best hackers technology can buy and those can be found trying to steal your identity. Bring them in and recruit them. Jail is not a place for them, a room full of technology is.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Reply
    • Allen1980

      Oddly enough, that is what they used to do in the old days. It is a situation where the government has disconnected itself from rational thought processes. Plus, there is probably a very high probability that they also require a Top Secret or Secret Security Clearance which, means that those cuaght doing the illicit activity would never pass the background check and earn the clearance.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Reply
      • tat

        The guy in the movie Catch me if you can was recruited by the FBI and exposed many banking loopholes. We need criminals to catch bigger criminals.

        April 21, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
      • Allen1980

        I make sense to me!

        April 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
  33. Janet Suck A Lemon, Dear

    Show me a cyber-terrorist.

    Haven't seen one yet, have you?

    April 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Reply
    • tat

      Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Reply
  34. BuzzerKiller

    Then stop arresting them all and give them jobs. That is such amazing talent being thrown to the wolves.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
  35. Allen1980

    It is a matter of economics (money). Although there may be a shortage of supply for Cybersecurity specialists, the demand for IT people is equally high. There is a fairly decent salary disparity there as well. Cybersecurity average salary is $58,000 and IT specialist is $65,000. The aritcle states that it can take up to 6 years to groom someone for the job, yet the salary does not reflect that type of time commitment. With students lumbered down with significant debt coming out of college, it is no wonder they are not studying a field such as Cybersecurity. the same holds true for Engineers. Engineering salaries are around $48,500. The simplest answer to the problem is for the corporations and the government to issue full grants to those willing to make the commitment to enter these difficult fields. There has to be a return on investment for the students which is high enough to cover the expenses and time investment. Without full scholarships or grants to cover the expense of college, few will be willing to choose these fields.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Reply
    • JoeBurmeister

      The salaries you quote are VERY conservative....see http://cew.georgetown.edu/whatsitworth/

      April 22, 2012 at 2:09 am | Reply
      • Allen1980

        Yes, they came from the government. Besides, if you live in NYC obviously you would expect more, in Grand Rapids Michigan, probably not.

        April 22, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  36. Anon

    Hey Nappy-

    Stop requiring a drug test for federal employees. Many of the best computer/security people are stoners. Get a clue you officious morons.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      Yes, legalize it and amazing how many problems in our country will just go away including shortage of good workers and police state tactics.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  37. johnny

    I could do this job (physics degree, computer science degree, former NASA employee, 15 years software development, write first program at age 7). However, I make more money in the tourism industry. Maybe if tech jobs paid the technical people a competitive wage, we wouldn't have left the industry. You reap what you sow.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  38. Karen Yeomans

    Really?? Is Napolitano that much of an idiot? My husband just retired from the Air Force with 21+ years in network security. He can't get a job because of circumstances that were way out of his control while in the Air Force. Needless to say, I am willing to bet both arms that he has more experience than any person coming out of a four-year or six-year program. The military trains their men and women to be the best at what they do. There are men and women leaving the military every day that would be able to fill in these gaps. Why don't they think about what they already spent money to train rather than going out and hiring someone who will have a big old head and believe they are worth way more than what they are.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Reply
    • Lance

      Yes she is that much of an idiot. She was governor of AZ, you know.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      Yes, Unfortunately Nappy was governor of AZ and she left it in horrible, horrible financial condition. The economy geared up radically in the mid-2000s and Nappy quickly geared up the state budget and made sure she spent EVERY single dime of the increased monies coming in. Bad for us, the economy tanked and AZ taxpayers left holding the bag for a state budget she managed to increase by 33% in 2 or 3 years time. That is exactly why the AZ budget problems were among some of the worst in the country. Then as soon as she saw problems on the horizon, she deserted her office and ran off to Obama land.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Reply
      • Henintsoa

        @54, I want to point out that while copying data from main mermoy *into* GPU mermoy is slow, copying *back* from GPU to main mermoy is even slower. If you do bulk operations on canvas data, the browser can (at least in theory) stream compressed video into the GPU mermoy and do all the manipulation there, which is relatively fast, but individual pixel manipulation has to come back to main mermoy, which crawls.I’m not sure how optimized this stuff is in the current generation of browsers, but making it go as fast as possible is on everyone’s roadmap.

        August 3, 2012 at 3:10 am |
  39. Mike

    How about being a Phoenix? They have a Criminal Justice program

    April 21, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Reply
    • Anon

      You scumbag corporate shill.

      April 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  40. Mike

    How about University of Phoenix? They have a Criminal Justice

    April 21, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  41. Cindy

    There are a lot of great jobs in this country, but no one is educated enough to get them. We have about 200 German companies in our area, but they cannot get qualified people to fill their openings. They are sending people to college themselves. Americans are taking the wrong courses in college.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Reply
    • Allen1980

      Hi Cindy; Americans are taking the courses in the fields in which "they" want to work. There are jobs everywhere around the country which go unfilled. The question is "what kind of jobs". Again, people fail to realize that going to college, these days, is highly expensive and those student loans do not pay themselves. If you come out of college with a job offer paying $45,000 in "any major city U.S.A.", after taxes, you will be so broke that you may not be able to afford all basic necessities. I am finishing my MBA in less than 2 months and when I look back to the amount of money I invested in it, I can say without a doubt that, any position under $65,000 would be uninteresting. Oddly enough, I am looking to Germany for future employment (through American companies) becasue, American companies are having a hard time finding people to work abroad for more than a year. It does not matter where the job is, the end effect is that you have to look at the aftert ax math of the job position. If, after taxes and loan repayments, you are left with so little that you cannot afford an apartment, car, insurance, etc., then the job offer will be worthless to the graduate. It is all about the math.

      April 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      Well Cindy, hate to tell you, but if you really believe that, you are brainwashed. The main reason Americans aren't educated enough and don't have the proper skills these days is because 1) companies are NOT offering training any longer, they want skills "built in" when you're walking in the door 2) the whole thing is just a BIG lie so that sleezy corporations can hire low paid green-cards from India instead of Americans.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Reply
  42. OrionStyles

    The angry librarians are watching...

    Who is to say they are not trying to recruit you indirectly? Did you just get a mysterious cyber-security contract from some small company... maybe they are sizing you up?
    ;)

    April 21, 2012 at 9:08 pm | Reply
  43. Chris

    Try cross training. Expensive, yes. But if it's a priority then you'll do it.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  44. Bob

    John Jay College of Criminal Justice has a program in cybersecurity.

    April 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  45. Robert

    You pay them a GREAT wage, and they will come.

    April 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Reply
    • Allen1980

      Exactly! Everyone says they need X, Y and Z but, the moment you ask for the salary they are paying for the position, it resembles something you would expect a high schooler to earn. College is way too expensive to be working for peanuts. Who is going to pay the loans back?

      April 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply

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