Marines told to disarm before Panetta speech
Troops stacking their weapons at Camp Leatherneck.
March 14th, 2012
11:17 AM ET

Marines told to disarm before Panetta speech

By Chris Lawrence, with reporting from pool producer Larry Shaughnessy

U.S. Marines waiting for Defense Secretary Leon Panetta to speak at Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan Wednesday were ordered to leave the room and place their weapons outside.

The request, relayed by Sgt. Maj. Brandon Hall, was unusual because it's not customary to disarm for a defense secretary visit, but the Marines did as they were told. About two dozen unarmed Afghan soldiers also were in attendance.

Panetta arrived in Afghanistan Wednesday for a two-day visit amid heightened tensions after an American soldier allegedly killed 16 Afghan civilians in their homes Sunday.

The order to disarm came from Maj. Gen. Mark Gurganus, who commands troops in Helmand province.

Asked about the move, Hall told the New York Times' Elisabeth Bumiller: "Somebody got itchy, that's all I've got to say. Somebody got itchy; we just adjust."

Gurganus later told reporters the decision had nothing to do with the weekend shooting, and said it was because the Afghan soldiers in attendance were unarmed and he did not want them treated differently than the Marines.

"This is not a big deal," Gurganus said. But he then added that "you've got one of the most important people in the world in the room," referring to Panetta.  When it was pointed out that this had not been the custom, Gurganus - who is new to the post - replied, "There's a new sheriff in town."

A senior defense official told CNN that Gurganus made the decision to have all coalition troops disarm on Tuesday, but "the order never got passed down the line to the individual units. So, unfortunately, it wasn't until all the Marines were sitting down Wednesday that anyone realized what the general really wanted. It looked bad. But at that point they needed to comply with the order."

Several Marines said they had never seen a situation like this, although they do not believe the decision resulted from any security concerns. The senior defense official said Gurganus was under orders to make partnership a priority, and he felt that "it wouldn't be right to have armed Marines sitting next to unarmed Afghan soldiers. He wants to promote the mission of partnership."

Security procedures involving the handling of weapons vary according to protocols issued by International Security Assistance Force command, as well as the discretion of individual regional and base commanders.

At some bases, troops entering mess halls are required to remove the clip from their weapon and clear any rounds from the chamber. The senior defense official also said security has been increased in varying degrees in the past month or so, following the Quran burning.  For example, in Kabul, as recently as seven days ago troops were required to carry their weapons everywhere, with the ammunition clip loaded but no round chambered, the official said.

The order for the Marines to disarm at Camp Leatherneck was not connected to a separate incident that took place Wednesday at an adjoining British military base in Afghanistan, the defense official said.

In that incident, an Afghan national stole a vehicle and drove it through at least one layer of perimeter security onto the runway at Camp Bastion around the same time Panetta was arriving there from a previous visit to Kyrgystan, a defense official said. A British soldier  was injured by the vehicle before it was driven into a ditch, a defense official said.  The driver ran out of the vehicle on fire. Coalition troops were able to extinguish the fire and he was transported for treatment, according to Pentagon spokesman George Little.

The Afghan national was wearing a "desert utility uniform," similar to the ones coalition troops give to translators and other unarmed locals working with them, a defense official said. Coalition troops searched the man after putting out the flames and apprehending him, but they did not find an explosive device on him, according to the official. No motive or the Afghan's intent was known.

NATO officials said Panetta was never in any danger during his time at Camp Bastion. His plane was diverted upon landing, according to Little.
Camp Leatherneck and Camp Bastion are adjoining bases located in the southern Afghan province of Helmand. The United States runs the facilities at Camp Leatherneck, while the British oversee Camp Bastion.

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  1. b

    never unarm a solder unless you are afraid and i think the gov. is starting to be paranoid

    March 14, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  2. john

    Think carefully. Afghan soldiers, probably officers were also in the meeting, and also unarmed. So US officers go in and their armed. It takes about three seconds for any half trained soldier to draw a weapon from someone else, and start shooting. How many of our troops have been killed by our so-called Afghan allies??

    It makes sense, sorry to say, to insure no one in that meeting is armed. As much as I despise our current regime, I have a deep respect for Panetta, as I knew him when he was a Congressman in California, back in the 70's.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
  3. Gonzo24

    Disarming before getting in a formation is ROUTINE for Marines. Those stacks of weapons you see in the pictures? We learned how to do that in BOOT CAMP and did it every day. This is clearly CNN trying to create a certain type of atmosphere in the Middle East. BAU

    March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
    • JKNIght

      YUP I agree, nothing new to Soldiers, this is normal.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
      • MajorV

        You guys are mistaken–I just finished my second tour this summer. The ONLY place we ever disarmed was in the terminal at Kabul Intl Airport. We are armed on every other square inch of land, including ISAF HQ, the embassy, Afghan ministries, the chapel, whatever. It didn't matter if the Afghan troops or police were armed. It's ironic that a WAR ZONE is becoming so violent that we're disarming our troops! Let's come home for goodness sake.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • Buzzer

        MajorV: Coming from another Maj, have some confidence that the situation has changed with the rash of incidents that has created more tension between the Afghans (to include members of the Afghan military) and U.S. military members. You know that the command decision to disarm was to not piss off the Afghan military members in attendance at the event and avert another incident like we went through on 1 Mar 12 when 2 of our own were killed in southern Afghanistan.

        March 14, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • USMC(ret)

      We learned to follow orders. When a USMC senior officer issues an order, that order is followed.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply
      • Pete/Ark

        Semper Fi.....3/12 '69

        April 3, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
  4. Bad moon rising

    Semper Gumbies

    March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
    • Pete/Ark

      That' s a "New Corps"....learned it from my kid...."Old Corps" sez "so what , no skin off my butt"

      April 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  5. BurntheQuhey havaran

    The so called smart ones say that if America didnt police the world like it does. It would be in a huge mess compaired to what it is today.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  6. Don

    Nothing new about disarming soldiers. Happened to me twice while in the USAF. However, the president was visiting. I was a Law Enforcement Specialist on duty both times and both times we were disarmed.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
  7. dd

    Washington politicians now fear the US Military! I think it is time for Obama to leave office. When the Commander-in-chief is considered a peanut head, it is time to make peanut butter of him.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Reply
    • bob

      When the troops don't respect the chain of command, it's time for courts martial.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
      • James

        Respect is earned! There are not to many in the chain of command that I do respect, and thats my right!!!! Now, when we stop following orders, you can punish us. Until then, LOOK at the picture and notice the pile of weapons. Marines follow orders!

        March 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
      • VeryOldSoldier

        Concur w/ Irunner. You sure do not have to like the the person who holds the Office of President (POTUS) but you are expected to honor the OFFICE of the President od the United States. The UCMJ is very specific regarding what would be a Courts Martial offense. Disrespect is definitely one of those. Vote him "out of office. Influence your friends & their friends to vote him out office. Panetta;s recent comment about charging retirees & service members for earned benefits "they are soldiers, they will do what we tell them to," while true doesn't mean we agree or won't all the Bastards out of office. Neither DOD nor the President have any respect for the military.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
      • bob

        James
        Respect is earned!
        ----------------------

        BS, punk. Respect is DUE to your chain of command. Anything else should result in a court martial.

        Follow orders or get stuffed.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • barba

      Hmmmmmm.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    • Alex Gessong

      @dd: More like time for you to learn what it means to be an American and a patriot. You don't like how an election turns out? Also means you don't like how democracy works. The majority of American voters elected President Obama. The majority will re-elect him in 2012. Thanks to a gutsy call from President Obama, there's no more Osama bin Ladin. Thanks to President Obama's respect for the Constitution, America no longer participates in the use of torture, secret prisons, or warrant-less wiretaps, all of which are forbidden by the Constitution and all of which were condoned by the G.W. Bush administration. We're lucky to have President Obama. Don't like him? Fine, go vote for somebody else. He's already got my vote!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  8. Bill

    Hey, he's their commander – second in command next to the Chief/President! If he said to show up butt-naked they need to comply! I thought these were real Marines! This whole thing suggests that we need to get our A== out of there ASAP. Just quietly back off and pull out. Our "mission is accomplished and we've done all we can do" should be all that is said and then only if pressed. This place is toxic...even the hard-learn Russians couldn't do anything and they had virtually zero rules of engagement to cope with! Primitive, religious/tribal folks who want no part of us and our ideas...let them be and don't waste one more dollar or one more life/limb on this hopeless situation.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
    • mane

      Well said!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Reply
    • Suzanne

      Thank you – finally someone who obviously gets it – For all of you with the oh, poor afghans attitudes – my son is a US Marine officer – come stand in my face and say that stuff. It's not easy being there – so stop being the armchair quarterback and unless you have a vested interest and truly care that men and women are there for YOU – then lay off the attitude. We're trying to bring our troops home – I guess I'm just glad you aren't the one there defending me! Thanks Bill!!!!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
    • ARMYofONE

      Actually he is not anywhere in our Chain of Command. Only the President is. Not the VP, not Hillary, and not even the SECDEF. so please, understand the Chain.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
      • wolfpackbob

        Well said.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Jim Murtha

      I hope you are/were a "real Marine", if not then don't try to pretend you were. As for appearing naked, that would be an illegal order and no "real Marine" would ever comply.
      Semper Fi

      March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Reply
  9. rad666

    So, who has weapons to protect him?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
  10. Mark0

    Ask the Afghan people if it is ok for us to go out and round up all the Taliban and put them in a place so we can sit down and have a talk.
    Oh, by the way, some will want to be killed as martyrs rather than be captured, is that ok?
    See what they say. I don't think they like the Talibans anyway.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
  11. freedompatriotoathkeeper

    yes! my fellow soldiers, turn your weapons apon these little ceasers that have destroyed our freedoms and our country!

    March 14, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Reply
    • zpitts

      'new sherriff intown' ?!? WTF does that even mean... You know that's the same thing they told us going into Falujah in 2004 when asked why were wearing woodland cammies instead of desert- And it was like so is that the same rationale for why we were all issued woodland mopp suits too during the initial invasion- NO, there's no way any of you ass clowns have that kind of forward thinking.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • bob

      Another right wing terrorist heard from.

      Shut yer yap and go play with your "gun", punk.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • Aaron

      Did you seriously just advocate an attack on our political leaders? You are an idiot and a traitor. And the word is "upon" not "apon". I really hope that you're lying about being a soldier, because the idea of someone like you wearing the uniform of my country's military makes me sick.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      Not a patriot. On shaky 1st amendment grounds.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    • randoid1234

      When I saw Little Ceasars I immediately though "Pizza Pizza!"

      March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Reply
  12. American BusinessMan

    Thanks to all of the Marines and other US Soldiers fighting for my interests. In the past 9 years I have seen my dividends in Boeing, Haliburton, Xe (Blackwater), Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and L3 more than quadruple. Keep on fighting guys....I need anther Yacht on the west coast. Thanks again ya'll hear.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
  13. angel611

    Aww, we didn't want the Afghans to have hurt feelings.
    Sniffle, sniffle.
    That is so sweet.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
    • TomFoolarry

      Maybe you were asleep so you haven't heard but the vitriol from the right towards this administration has made its way into the ranks. As well, during landing there was a runaway truck–burning as it were–on the runway as his plane was landing.

      Add 2 and 2.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Reply
      • zpitts

        I don't think so... I mean this stuff has been happening. So what explains Abu Gharaib? I mean Gharaib was a poorly disciplined military and now we still have poorly disciplined and OVER deployed military for a total BS war and everyone knows it... not even the generals can hide their contempt for this crap anymore.... This kind of retardation happens all the time in the military

        March 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
      • yep

        Some people add 2 and 2 and get 22 . . .

        March 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  14. AKW

    Any leader who does not trust his troops ought to step aside and let someone else lead.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Reply
  15. angel611

    The US Secretary of Defense does not trust his own Marines.
    LMAO
    The US Banana Republic.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • dwech

      The Major General of that base thought a possible threat was imminent (codename: 'itchy'), and made a decision - also lessening tensions among the Afghans, who we are trying to empower to take over so we can get US Marines the heck out of there. Did you actually READ the article?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  16. Phillip Brame

    Post like some of these tell you why we have problems with the military today. The military is just a reflection of the people that they serve. Reading some of the post here a person with a rational mind would find some disrespectful, treasoness, and downright wrong. Military men should do what they are paid to do and that is protect the country from all enemies foriegn and DOMESTIC and to follow the orders of the officers appointed over them them. They swore to that and took a solemn oath to it. Look I spent 30 years in the military serving this great country of ours during that time I never once questioned authority or why I was being told to do or act or carryout any orders given to me. It was not until 2004 that I had noticed a change in the young men/women who were entering the service. I thought that they were far less equipped to handle the riggors of the service physically and mentally they were far more intelligent than military men I had known in the past but they were much more confrontational and less likely to think before they acted. I knew this was a bad combination and decided after 30 years it was time to retire. So like me many made the same choice thus leaving a void where leadership used to be inturn leaving inexperienced, undiagnosed PTSD, Anxiety/Depression, TBI disordered young men/women running things. What do we as nation expect from these courageous people?

    March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • ALT

      Thank you for your service. It is obvious that many of the commenters have never served in the military or have loved ones who have served.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • KeysGirl

      Amen... I couldn't stated it better.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • Grandus

      I feel sorry for any person who can take and order and never question the morality of that order, you sir are the perfect robot. That is why the US governement has dedicated so much to dumbing down the children of this country, if they are mentally slow enough then they do not question orders. Unlike those folks back in the 60's and 70's who questioned the validity of fighting a war in south east asia. We have a two buildings fall and have the government lie about who was involved and then people like you who do not even question the validity of claims of blame. I feel for our country when we no longer think to question and order. Maybe we should have been more lenient on those tried an Nuremburg.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Reply
      • Richard

        I always questioned authority when in Viet Nam. The fact is I did what I was told, when told, because everyone's life depended on the other person obeying orders. Just because you don't like an order does not give you the authority to disobey. I much preferred being in a mess hall or any other indoor gathering without rifles. There is always the idiot in front that tries to exit the doorway with his rifle horizontal, blocking everyone behind him.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  17. George Reily

    Oh yeah, Panetta trusts ya. He just doesn't trust the Afghans! Yeah, that's it!
    Unusual request?! I'd bet it becomes usual. They aren't liars, just disinformation specialists.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
  18. John

    I served in Desert Storm.
    At the end of that conflict, it was not a war, Bush Sr. visited us.

    NEWS FLASH:

    EVERY SOLDIER that was within 2 miles of Bush was ordered to surrender the bolt of their rifle and their side arms where applicable.

    The bolt of a rifle is the thing that actually makes the weapon fire a round.

    Was Bush Sr. afraid of the very soldiers he commanded?
    Is this just policy?

    Decide for yourself but DO NOT let anyone put a political spin on it.
    The US Military is a dictatorship whose members are subjected to the UCMJ...we don't have rights civilians take for granted.

    March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • angel611

      "It was an unusual request as it is not customary to disarm for a defense secretary visits."

      Guess some people cannot read.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
      • sane

        "Unusual" does not mean it never happens. The Marine explained that to you. Also, based on the article, the requirement came form the general, not the SOD. I guess some people can read but not really understand.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  19. tigrr

    Reports indicate BIG CHANGE is coming. Not Obama Change. Bush Sr and Bill Gate were arrested a week or so ago, and now travel in company of Marshalls, so Senior cant escape to his 100,000 acre refuge in Paraguay. Tim of the Fed Reserve sang like a canary. New Banking system, and NESARA which was to be announced on 9/11 (one guess who stopped that – battery powered Darth Vader) , will finally go into effect.
    For more – search Benjamin Fulford Reports and David Wicocks site... The world (and beyond) is watching.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Reply
    • Michael

      So *thats* why there's no more tin foil on the market. You've bought it all up and are fashioning hats.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    • Mac11

      Get off the drugs.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
    • Samurai Cowboy

      I take it that you are not sane.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    • Toucan Sam

      And I thought i was the one that was Cookoo for Cocoa Puffs!!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Reply
    • mm

      Time for your meds.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply
    • oncewasproud

      Wow. I checked out that site. What a bunch of crazy gibberish.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  20. angel611

    WOW! The Taligan really blew a great chance to massacre a huge number of unarmed US Marines.
    THIS IS WORSE THAN VIETNAM.
    It is geting insane.
    ENOUGH!
    OUT NOW!

    March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
    • Mac11

      The what? taligan?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Reply
  21. Spencer Newman

    So were the Marines ordered to go to this little speech or were they allowed to boycott the SECDEF if they chose to do so? Maybe they had a bunch of locals there to guard Pinetta. That would be classic.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
    • angel611

      Apparently the Taliban missed the preset appointment to massacre the Marines as a form of apology by the US.
      I think it was a setup to "make things even for King Karzai,", and the Taliban blew it, because they were high on Opium.
      I cannot remember a time when US Marines were told to not carry their weapons in a combat zone.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
      • Boisepoet

        It's obvious from your comments you were never a Marine either, so take it from someone who is, and stop commenting on things you know nothing about.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
      • mm

        And you have never been a Marine. I am and I can tell you that it is not out of the ordinary to disarm before an important visit as long as the perimeter is guarded as I have done in Saudi during a Colonel's visit as recently as six months ago.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  22. Andy in Atlanta

    In my experience, the deciding factor as to whether troops remain armed in the presence of the SecDef is their location in the theater of operations. Go back and look at previous pictures of Panetta or Gates in Afghanistan/Iraq and you'll see that in some the troops were armed while in others the soldiers/marines were unarmed. If the trrops are in a "forward" area, they tend to be armed. FYI, it's a security requirement that all soldiers/marines disarm in the presence of the President. This article leaves a lot out and therefore leaves a lot to the imagination. The disarming of the marines probably had more to do with the security threat to Panetta earlier in the day that it did about Panetta's politics. It also probably had more to do with keeping the weapons out of reach of the disarmed Afghan soldiers than it did about hurting those soldiers feeliings. Remember, even without the truck-on-the-runway incident today as an indication, there are plenty of Afghanis upset about the recent Koran burings and the recent shooting of Afghan civilians by a U.S. soldier to make the Secret Service and military brass think twice and err on the side of caution. As a former Army Ranger I can empathize with the Marines who did not want to give up their weapons. However, I believe that decision was motivated more by the security situation on the ground (vis-a-vis the Afghan trrops) rather that Panetta's political beliefs. The author really did do a poor job in writing this story.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • AJ

      Does the SoD get Secret Service protection or the military's version? I remember during the Gulf War how Stormin' Norman was ringed by men who weren't in BDU's but they all wore a similar vest. Just curious if you or anyone knows the answer.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
    • Harkkonen4

      Thanks for your reply, Andy. It was about the only one that made sense to the layman.
      A couple we know who both served in Afghanistan spoke at a get-together of friends in Wautoma, WI ; several years back–I'll just call them Jen and Ben - and they said that unless you're over there, you can't fully understand the situation.
      They also cautioned against believing only what the media reports. They did not say the media lies; but that some events get reported and some do not.
      personally I feel that the media has its' own "slant" ; but that's a topic for a different blog.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
    • Jacob

      I agree....It would appear his arrival had been leaked....and that means we have more traitors in our midst as that info isn't given out

      March 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
  23. tigrr

    Save Our Troops – Bring Them Home NOW. No soliders should be fighting to save US private businessmen's interests overseas. Let them fight and pay the billions a month for their own &^%$ battles. Enough of Cheney and puppet Juniors Bogus Wars.

    Shame on Obama for letting these false wars continue, after Bush cried Mission Accomplished and then abanonded them. Shame on Obama for firing honest Generals. And Boo on this General for his show of no-confidence in our soldiers. He should resign.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Jacob

      Not sure what business interest you are referring to in the 'stan, but if you are referring to mineral rights, the Chinese bought that out years ago.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Reply
  24. Randy

    Well, here's the most redundant sentence in the world; "The Marines did as they were told." These guys run up hills into machine gun fire when they're told. We're to expect they would act like petulant children and clutch their guns like playground toys when their commander tells them to set them down?

    This is a non-story printed to stir people up and cause poutrage. It was obviously a touch of polite protocol as the Marines were attending the event with Afghan soldiers who were disarmed.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  25. JDavis

    You know the war is coming to an end when the leaders are afraid of their own troops.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
  26. Lou

    What kind of message are we sending to our troops by doing this? "We stand by you, but don't want to sit next to you..".

    March 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Reply
    • bob

      Weed out the blood thirsty right wing whack jobs form the military and we'll talk.

      Until then, when ordered to put your weapon down, friggin' DO IT or get court martialed.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Reply
      • mm

        OORAH!!!

        March 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  27. BurntheQuhey havaran

    Talk about something that stinks to Hell and back. That tells you that they have lost all confidence in the US Soldier. Its an insult to our Men and woman in uniform.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  28. mordechai the chosen one

    A room full of armed high school drop outs with the collective IQ of a zucchini... pumped full of patriotic garbage.....never "man enough" to question why they are half way across the globe shooting at virtually defenseless shepherds and farmers. the few, the proud, the marines.....MY BOTTOM!

    March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Tinman

      Shame on you.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Reply
      • BurntheQuhey havaran

        Jag off

        March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • BurntheQuhey havaran

      Where im from you have to graduate high school to join the military. So where did you get that dropout shit from moron?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
    • Spencer Newman

      The USMC does not take high school drop outs. Which explains your lack of understanding of what you are talking about. You are just upset because it's so hard for you to get your GED.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
      • Sue

        The Marine Corps does indeed take high school drop outs. They also take criminals facing jail time who can choose to join the Corps or go to jail. They also take foreign citizens willing to serve a term of enlistment in exchange for citizenship. Bush lowered the standards 10 years ago and they've allowed in gang-bangers, KKK members, aryan nation members, etc. A high school drop out only has to "promise" he'll seek his GED once in the military.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
      • BurntheQuhey havaran

        Well they changed the rules again.I was thinking Army Because at one time they required it.Just like the age limit one day its 36 then the 58 the next. But your not getting in the Navy or Air Force with out one.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Beastclouds

      Perfectly put. Precisely what the marines represent.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
      • RTinKC

        Shouldn't your name be Breastclown?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • uab22

      Hey Jackhole when was the last time you stood up for somethihng? Bet you wouldn't run your mouth to an actual Marine standing in front of you. Crawl back into your parents basement and play WOW.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
    • RTinKC

      Go back to playing WOW in your mother's basement and keep your opinions to yourself.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
      • Odd

        Hey! Lets leave WOW out of this. 🙂

        March 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Renee Parker

      You sir are an idiot!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Reply
    • john

      "MY BOTTOM"

      Your head is far up your bottom. How is the view? And you are a loser.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • Troll Killer

      Hey Mordechai, Last time I checked, you need to be a high school graduate to join the military these days. A GED hardly can get you in. It's lamos like you that I proudly defend too. You obviously have no clue about the military, so don't speak of what you don't know of, nincompoop!

      March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • Gunny97

      All i care to say is your welcome!!!! your welcome that we do what we do so people like you can speak free speech, your welcome for what we do so you speak english, your welcome for what we do so that a vehicle isnt showing up at your door and your suddenly go missing. So your welcome.

      Remember to thank the military, we bleed so you can be free

      March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    • John

      22+ years of service and counting. My IQ is 168. What's yours?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Reply
    • pprty

      Thanks. The military & any other law enforcement can pass you by & assist someone deserving of assistance if the need arises.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  29. Vietvet

    As a former U.S. Marine Captain and Vietnam veteran I say that order to disarm was appalling. What it says is that Panetta doesn't trust the soldiers and marines under his command. And, that is a terrible reflection on his leadership ability. If you can't trust the men and women who risk their lives everytime you give an order you had better find a new job.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Jeff

      Likely because he knows they shouldn't.....

      March 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • yeah right

      Things change, marines today are not the marines you know. They are not disciplined and they show no respect for the country they represent. Going on facebook and defying your Commander and Chief? Urinating on dead Afgans? Is this what you stood for? Is this what you are now proud of? This may not have been a popular decision, but it was a good one.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Reply
      • bob

        Exactly right.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
      • Boisepoet

        Marines today are no better or worse than the Marines of 20,30,50 years ago. Marines are Americans who want to represent their country in one of the proudest military organizations on this planet. But they are also human and reflect all that is good, and unfortunately, sometimes all that is wrong with humans. I speak from experience on this...Semper Fi, Corporal of Marines, 9th Marines.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • longtooth

      Panetta didn't give the order, a general did. Personally, I think the order was a huge mistake. I'm not a veteran, but I agree with you.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • Vietvet

      yeah right: How would you know what the Marines stand for? Then, or today. I doubt if you ever served in the military. And, to attribute one or two incidents you read about or saw on TV to an entire elite branch of the military is a fallacy in logic called "hasty generalization". One who makes such statements is showing his or her ignorance.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Reply
  30. Brownpbj

    I disagree with the army boy killing the civilians but you guys gotta understand that its hard as hell to be in a war. war messes people up seeing there brothers die right in front of their eyes. I support the military 110%! we just need a new president. A republican !

    March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Nobody

      So he will lie and send us to few other wars, get stuck for 10 years again?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
      • Charlee

        FYI – Obama clearly voted for the Afghan War and was an overseer of it. I clearly did not vote for him and I am glad I did not with all the smoke and mirrors. Unfortunately, it is always the "few" who make the majority look bad. The same is the case in afghanistan.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • ColJim1956

      I would urge you to quit assuming that everyone who serves in the military is a Republican. I served for 26 years, am a registered Independent, and have voted for Republicans and Democrats in the past. The Republican Party does not "own" patriotism nor military wisdom. It was LBJ (a Democrat) who escalated a war in Vietnam that a Republican (Eisenhower...also an old soldier) said was a mistake. It was G.W. Bush (a Republican) who insisted we invade Iraq when in fact Saddam Hussein was already contained by Allied airpower (American, British, even the French). War is nasty, terrible, tragic, and carries with it all kinds of unintended consequences. If you take the time to study our own national history, you will certainly see that neither party has been more prudent than the other in the decision of when we should use our armed forces.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
    • mm

      Do NOT assume all or even a majority of active, inactive or retired military are Republican.
      I sir, am an active duty Marine who proudly serves my Commander in Cheif, no matter what his/her political affiliation is.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Reply
  31. Spencer Newman

    The fact that the SECDEF doesn't feel safe around the troops he is supposed to be leading is the most dramatic indication that he is a failure. This is without a doubt the most telling indicator that the Obama Administration is completely out of touch with our service people and the country as a whole. Amazingly bad decision.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
    • Odd

      I doubt he doesn't feel safe. Remember they put down there weapons for his SPEECH not his whole visit. If he did not feel safe he would not have gone over there. I would not feel very comfortable over there even with all the marines armed to the teeth forming a human wall around me. It is a war zone and people die even in safe zones. I am proud of all the armed forces personel willing to sacrifice everything and live in that situation so we can all sit here and type away on our computers complaining...OOPS meant to say sharing our views. 🙂

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Bilbo Boomerbottom

      The general gave the order,not Mr.Panetta;the general is not part of the Obama Administration.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Spencer Newman

      Come on boys, the SECDEF ordered the General and the General gave the order (to his shame). The SECDEF is a coward and a fool. It's very sad.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
      • Odd

        I do not doubt that Penetta requested that of the general. If the general was doing it on his own he would have told them to leave there weapons before coming to the speech. This was a last minute request by Penetta but to say he was afraid of our troops ? I don't think he was. It was a political request for political reasons and had nothing to do with fear or trust for our troops.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
      • bob

        Spoken like a true punk.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • yeah right

      I suppose you support people going to campaign rallies with guns... well as long as they are white, and wearing a tea party badge... if they are black then obviously they should be arrested as suspicious. I know your type.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
      • Odd

        WHAT? Go spew your race hate somewhere else.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
      • John

        Why are you so racist?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • bob

        Well said!

        March 14, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Dusty H

      I served in Iraq in 2004 and we had a visit from the then SECDEF Rumsfeld, under the BUSH administration, and everyone had to disarm and I saw secret service approach a general for using a knife on his steak, instead of the plastic silverware provided.. but yeah, Obama must have been behind that too..

      March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Reply
      • mm

        Careful there, Dusty. You might educate some of these folks.
        OORAH!!

        March 14, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  32. Mark0

    The problem is we can't define what WIN is.
    Which is: peaceful discussions with the Taliban (not the AFGHANS) without killing everyone in the process.
    How do we get to peaceful discussions without killing everyone?

    March 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
  33. drinky

    so he's important but screw everyone else? nice.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
  34. ColJim1956

    Not much unusual about this at all.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm | Reply
  35. Thor

    The Marine Corps officers who allowed this slap in the face should commit suicide. Not only did he slap the face of every Marine, but he slapped the face of every American Citizen. We Americans are the people of the Earth who have broken away from royalty, and "divine rulers" long ago; we earn the right to continue our arrogance with each people and race we free. It's not about democracy, republicanism, or voting..... it is about being able to live unencumbered.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • Odd

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHa. Thanks I needed that joke.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
    • Spanky Pants

      He didn't slap me, and your mom should have aborted you.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • ColJim1956

      Really? Decisions with which you disagree are so serious that the leader should commit suicide? Remind me not to buy a car from your dealership. I am afraid your boss would ask you to run yourself over if I did not buy.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Spanky Pants

      He didn't slap me, and your mom should have ab0rted you.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Harkkonen4

      Well you do have a point, there.
      My cousin Scott Likvold (not his 'real' name) is a general in the army and he says that many soldiers only last for about 2 tours in Afghanistan because what they're fighting for is NOT our liberty in the US; it is to keep the local 'mullahs' in charge so that things over there do not destabilize.
      In other word, they are fighting for Afghanistan, not America.
      Not having been in the service myself; I know that others who have actually served know and understand what we are doing over there. The same goes for a couple I'll call 'Jen and Ben'.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
      • Harkkonen4

        Also 'Thor', the marines are having to do this because of the recent shooting of civilians; although the article quotes otherwise; it's just common sense on the leaders' part.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Pete/Ark

      when you turn 17 go enlist ( if mama will let you)...don't bother the Corps...we don't want you

      April 3, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Reply
  36. Ed J.

    There is one party controlling our government and it's not democrat or republican but it's AIPAC. Wake up before all our kids are dead fighting a proxy war on behalf of Israel in the Middle East.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  37. davey

    Given the circumstances that have taken place recently with reards to Afganis killing American soldiers, I am suprised more American soldiers don't rebel. It is just human nature to want revenge I guess. Afganis are good at that.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Reply
    • Beastclouds

      I want the drink you are drunk on, that seems like a strange brew.

      US soldiers having revenge on Afghans...

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • Not Surprised Either

      It says quite a lot when the war monger Feds are fearful of their own troops. No doubt the decision by the
      Marines was only made due to a Federal Govt order... maybe even from Panetta's own office.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  38. BOB

    SHOOT THE MESSENGER

    March 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  39. DOU44

    Politically, the US is getting desperate, and more Afghanis are not just fence sitting given the actions of the US-NATO occupation.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  40. Robert

    Speaking as a former Marine, that is an order that I would not have followed. I would have rather pulled a fire watch or stood guard then be unarmed.

    BS on the part of anyone to ask our service men and women to do such a thing.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • Edwin

      A marine who is not willing to follow orders? Wow. Just wow.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Reply
    • larvadog

      I agree Edwin. I'm glad Robert is now a former Marine.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • Beatrix Kiddo

      Then you or any other stubborn jarhead would deserve to be discharged for insubordination.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
      • Chuck Winmill

        Show a little repect people this guy served our country and put his butt on the line...which I'm guessing is a lot more than you dudes can say.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Tazz86

      Speaking as a former Marine, Yes u would have.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm | Reply
      • kimberly

        I love all these "former" service men saying what they would and wouldnt do...You would have disarmed because that is what you were told to do. Quit acting like you make the rules, you dont! You FOLLOW them, and if you cant, then you need to be discharged, which you would have been...idiot!

        March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • plstakenote

      Robert, just proves the point that not all Marines are "Elite" there are few ret@rds like you too...oh well! You telling me that you wouldn't have followed a direct order, which is related directly to one of the most powerful man in US. Go sell sheep before you call yourself a true marine, that is even if you were.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • Rocket

      You clearly have not been around very many senior ranking individuals in combat then, to everyone freaking out about the Marines being asked to leave their weapons outside, this is nothing new, and is not uncommon at all. This is usually done at the request by the security detail assigned to the person speaking/visiting. They security detail operates under the "trust no one" rule. Why do you think the Secret Service exist, to protect the president from American citizens first and for most. Yes they are Marines, and I give them mad props, and I am Army, but they are still citizens and people first, being military does not change that. This is just CNN trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      Are you calling all the other marines who did disarm cowards?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • bob

      Then you should have been immediately taken into custody to await court martial.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Reply
    • Robert

      WOW, you can tell that this place is full of a bunch of keyboard commandos. Last time I checked "Marines" don't leave their weapon unattended.......correct? That's where the guard duty comes in. I get to keep my weapon.

      Question the fact that I was ever a Marine and I'll be sure to pay your A S S a visit just provide the address.

      This place is the worst. You have an article to create a discussion and people don't know jack about the subject matter.
      Do yourself a favor and don't try and act like you know what you are talking about.

      P.S. I'm waiting on those addresses.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Reply
      • bob

        Due to the presence of such as you.

        My address, tough guy?

        6969 Screwedyoursister Lane
        Youmomma, Kansas

        OORAH! Thank God I'm an American!

        March 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
      • bob

        "I'll be sure to pay your A S S a visit"

        But... what about the rest of me?

        😉

        March 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
      • mm

        Robert, when your brain grows as big as your internet balls, I'll gladly let you know what base I'm on.
        Get some, boot!!

        March 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Noocrat

      Soldiers obey. If you can't follow orders, then you're unfit to serve. I'm glad you're out.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Reply
  41. Suvali

    I think the men should have disarmed too. It is obvious to anyone hwho has been following the scenario ovr there that a number of our troops are OUT OF CONTROL. I think they need tighter security too and not just for the visit of a dignitary. Look at what has ben happening: Marines dsecrating a body then photograhing it and sending it around the world,killing civilians refusing to follow the orders of the President, burning holy books etc. This is not our father's Military .It is more like Viet Nam gone rogue. This morning ,minutes before Panetta landed,an Afghani crashed a truck on the runway and set himself on fire. The big question should be,HOW DID THAT GUY JUST DRIVE ONTO THE RUNWAY? Security is poor. Whose fault is it? Time for us to bring the troops home. Then, revamp the Military here at home.Release the ones needing mental and emotional help and get them the help. Raise the standards for entry intellectiually, academically and emotionally. We are partially responsible for what is happening. Fighting a war for ten years without a draft and not providing adequate medical and emotional help to the troops when they return home are just the beginning of our problems.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • alf564

      Yea, and this CRAP starts at the TOP and then rolls down hill. What if one of those Allied Afgans had snuck a weapon into the meeting??? Bye Bye Sec of Def

      March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  42. Bubbashrimp2

    You can die for me, but don't associate with me. You cannot be trusted. Welcome to the Obama Administration. I have told my son he cannot join the Military while Obama is president. Democrats never fight to win. Even Bush was a democrat.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
    • DOU44

      The US has not won a conflict save Panama and Grenada since 1945. Why bother joining at all? Die for US multinational corporate greed? No thanks.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Reply
      • Rich in TX

        Does Gulf War I not count? Or Iraq? I mean, we DID win that war, even if it wasn't pretty and you don't like it. Saddam was driven from power and killed; Iraq is in the hands of Iraqis.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
      • alf564

        See the movie "ALIENS"...

        March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • David

      you are insane. they are trying to protect the 2nd most important man in government, in case you haven't seen the news a soldier just murdered 16 unarmed people.... stop being so stupid and pay attention this is not political

      March 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
      • alf564

        He took out 16 Afgans. Can you tell me how many are terrorists and how many just civilians...?? How many of them hide weapons for the taliban and al qaeda? Any clue? I just love you bleeding hearts that know absolutely nothing about what it is like to walk those streets...and then they pass judgement

        March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Edwin

      So... you call Bush a democrat because you didn't like his military position? Do you actually have any understanding of political parties at all, or are you simply an angry conservative who votes without understand the consequences of actions?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
      • Rich in TX

        I'd say Bush was a Democrat because he spent like one – remember? The big complaint about Republicans when Bush was in charge? Before the professional spenders took over and showed us how it's REALLY done?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
      • glenn

        of course the troop had to follow a legal order. as for your negative comments about our troops i just have one thing to say. if you haven't walked the mile in the shoes of all these brave men and women. keep your stupid remarks to your self.if panetta is so insecure in his job that he fears his own troops perhaps he should find another job.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • MrTeflon

      Because all our boys came home during the Search for Mass Wea.. Erp OIL War in Iraq while a Republican was in charge.. How did that Mission Accomplished with ZERO Casualties work out for you then? Ohh wait a lot of our young boys died... You Sir are a Troll a Hypocrite and Liar.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • ALT

      What a patriot you are! Shame on you! This decision was not Panetta's, but rather the USMC Officers on the ground. You know the men & women who are over there - actually fighting & serving. The same soldiers you have discouraged your child from becoming one of. This did not have to be about politics, but I sure am glad I am a Democrat when I read comments like this.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • Tazz86

      Your name says it all

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • VoxVerum

      Where is Obama's name mentioned in this story "bubba"? The order was given by a sgt. major. Go crawl back into your swamp.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
      • alf564

        Hey, who was ordered by who was ordered by who was ordered by, how far up the chain of command do you want to go? To Panetta while he was on the plane??? Get real, a Sgt doesn't make that decision on his own

        March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • AJ

      FDR was a democrat as was Harry Truman. Tell me how did WW II end? Did we win or lose?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Reply
    • Ralph

      If you know anything about history, you would know that World War 1 and 2 were won by democrats (wilson and roosevelt so stop watching fox news and READ

      March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • Sue

      When your son gets out of prison after 25+ sentence for his welfare fraud and operating a meth lab, maybe you'll have a whitie for president. 😉

      March 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Reply
    • Aaron

      I'm not a Democrat, by any means, but you wouldn't call President Truman's (D) order to detonate two atomic weapons on the island of Japan as a 'fight to win' decision?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Reply
    • bob

      Hey, dildobreath, "Democrats never fight to win." Check the number of Democratic congresspeople who hold medals won during combat versus the chickenshit Repukes.

      No comparison. Repukes talk tough, but fold like pussies.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  43. Milman

    omg, what is next, we are gong to for the army to wear robes, sorry time to leave, and tell the truth, next time, lies always are obvious, panetta was scared to death of having guns in the room, oh please

    March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  44. Mark0

    Funny Picture!:
    In the picture on the right, two guys watching two other guys trying to balance two rifles, Duh! You need at least three.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
    • sm

      Right d-bag. You can really see all the weapons from the photo.

      "Oh look how dumb the military guys are!", as you wipe dorito crumbs off your robe while you sit in mom's basement surfing the internet.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  45. Gloria

    Only needed the title. It says it all.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    • JW

      Bush, Clinton, and Bush, Sr., used to require the same thing before they met with troops. So did some SecDef's.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
      • Edwin

        But... but... but this time it is because Obama is bad. Those other times were necessary, but this time it is a sign that Obama is weak.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • steve

        Would you want to back that statement up JW? I didnt think so.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  46. Nate

    Our soliders got messed up with all the wars are being sent to and when they come back home they kill their wives, relatives and everyone they spot! Now we are planning to send our American boys to die in Iran for the sake of Israel instead of Israel sending their own boys!

    March 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    • Odd

      Its because nobody wants Isreal to go to war so we go for them. Isreal is not bothered with going in and getting the job done (their priority mission) without political correctness (or our perceived correctness). We are worried what they will do. Thats why we send our troops.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Reply
  47. Odd

    I think this is a bit overplayed. If indeed the perimeter was well gaurded and I am sure Penetta had his personal escort with him and armed then this is a non issue. The odd thing I find is why this was not told to them earlier so they did not show up armed and have to leave there weapons outside. Secondly if you are worried about a possible attack (you are in a warzone) then why did you leave a bunch of military weapons outside ungaurded (looking at the photo)? Not really bothered by this one way or another but I find it odd and not very well thought out.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    • Edwin

      Probably a miscommunication - they happen a lot. Somebody assumed the marines would be unarmed, or somebody assumed they would be armed, and the disconnect didn't get discovered until the last minute.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  48. capiers

    How is that Republicans completely miss the point and on top of that create some exaggerated lies that completely are a 180 from the actual facts.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    • Odd

      Why are you slamming Republicans? Are you assuming non republicans cannot disagree with the president or the decision made in this article. I am neither a republican or a democrat so stop with the party rhetoric

      March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
    • JuneCleaversBeaver

      And this story has exactly what to do withg republicans????
      A bit paranoid aren't we?
      Go take your meds you choad.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
    • Gloria

      Stop with the Democrats...Republican crap. There is a place and time for that. By the way, both dems and repubs send our children to war and they die together- both dems and repubs. If the time comes and we as a nation go down, we go down together. Perhaps that will be the time when we look each other in the eyes and see beyond the stupid labels we apply to ourselves and others.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Reply
  49. Fiona

    Stolen truck driven onto runway - driven by AFGHANI civilian - right before Panetta was to land. Truck exploded into fire, although authorities won't admit there was explosive on board. Now it all makes sense.

    The Afghani was on fire. Somehow, I feel good about that.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
    • babs

      we have become death

      March 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  50. ALT

    "Gurganus said reason to disarm was that the Afghan soldiers in attendance were unarmed and he did not want them treated differently than the Marines."

    We would NEVER expect our Marines to sit down in a room full of armed Afghan soldiers while our troops were unarmed – why would we expect the reverse? This was about mutual respoct and basic diplomacy.

    Why does there have to be an ulterior motive to every decision made? Gurganus made his decision, and it was his to make. He is the one serving our country in the middle of a ridiculously tense situation. How unpatriotic to question him.

    Also - before the "she must be a Republic/Tea Party Member" attacks start – I have never voted for a single Republican in my life. This is not about a policital party – it is about patriotism and respect for our troops.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Reply
    • cnnisajoke

      well put.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
    • Dan

      Whoa! He's not "the one serving our country!" What you meant to say is that he is one of MANY serving our country – and therein lies the problem. He was thinking about only one – himself and his career.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • ALT

        As it related to most of the posters here - he IS the one serving our country - vs. the morons here criticizing his decisions.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
      • ALT

        Pardon - "As it relates"

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Seattle

      Good input. Thank you.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • Buzzer

      Nobody here should be upset or criticizing the decision to have the Marines leave there weapons outside...

      EVEN when DVs had visited and the policy was different and they we're allowed in the past. The political situation is CHANGING everyday there and I guarentee you the desision was a judgement call based on intelligence we're not privy to not to possibly upset the Afghan soldiers in attendance. Some Afghan military members have already demonstrated that some cannot be trusted, could fly off the deep end at any given moment. So if they would have been singled out differently than the Marines they may have got offended, gone back to their tent, possibly grabbed a weapon and repeated what has already happen on multiple occasions. You know our Marines were briefed on why this policy is in place for this event and even if some Marines were a little "offended" they're bigger than that, put away their "pride" and have common sense that it wasn't worth the possible consquences of losing lives FOR NO GOOD REASON.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  51. cnnisajoke

    What a joke this situation is. Taking a rifle from a marine rifleman is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Panetta is a coward. What is he so afraid of? I could see disarming the Greenies (Afghan Army) they have indeed killed plenty of US serviceman and contractors over the years. However even disarming them would show a lack of trust for a group that is supposed to be our partner. This administration is flat out the biggest joke ever. On par with Jimmy Carter, its like a sad repeat of history. Ineffective domestic and foreign policy run amuck. Runaway spending the like of which this country has never seen. The sad part in the entitlement driven folks that will try and re-elect this president and his sad group of administrators like Penetta. For all of you who think entitlements are a great thing take a long hard look at the EU. You can never sustain that kind of spending ever. Obama’s foreign policy moves are as fruitless as his domestic agenda. These people over in Afghanistan have the right to believe what they wish to. We would be better off asserting our beliefs upon them. My best guess is if we left them alone they would be happy there. Not to mention the bulk of the 911 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Why haven’t we invaded that Kingdom. They by all accounts are the most responsible for what happened on 911 by allowing religious extremists the money to fund operations. The only reason we have troops in Afghanistan at this point are the projected revenue streams from natural gas and mineral deposits. The bulk of the Taliban are in North Easter Pakistan. All those blindly following this administrations line on counter terrorism treats there are as foolish as those that followed Bush’s lies.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • Tom Branston

      cnnisajoke, do you serve? When President Bush visited us in Iraq we were not allowed to bring our weapons in. So again I ask, do you serve? No? That's what I thought pussy.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Reply
      • cnnisajoke

        Yes I did but the first round under Bush Sr. So no I didnt have any experience being disarmed over there. Group Taro. Look it up, then shut up.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
      • JW

        A lot of these guys are just ranting out of their ignorance of normal procedures in the military. This isn't anything new, and those veterans that say it is, well, they must have had different experiences than the rest of us.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
      • cnnisajoke

        We were never disarmed in Desert storm/Shield. Period ever. I can see the point of disarming because of the greenies...If they were disarmed then our guys should be too, but the best track would to have not disarmed either side.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
      • Tom Branston is a pussy

        Not serving in the armed forces doesn't make someone a pussy any more than serving in the armed forces makes someone brave.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • runswithbeer

      American arm forces members normally are not allowed to carry firearms on ANY BASE in the US.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
      • Buzzer

        What the hell does that have to do with a U.S. base in Afghanistan? The situation is a little different there than in the U.S..

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
      • cnnisajoke

        the difference there is that in the US you are not in a combat zone. Clinton was the one who pushed to disarm even the military police. Democrats dont like guns..or see them as a great evil. People are evil, guns are just things. Regardless we need to get our troops out of there. No point in being there at this point. Its a run away conflict. Oh and for all those that will say Obama pulled our troops out of Iraq...Well for each one he pulled out he has put a US contractor back in. Still Americans on the line over there and there is more of a reason to have force in Iraq given its geopolitical importance.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
      • Marine13

        Here not in the US m o r on!

        March 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
      • Dan

        runswithbeer, I hear what you're saying. But last I looked there weren't actually any wars being fought on any bases in the U.S. And by the way, we carried weapons all over Camp Pendleton when we were training. The military really does train with guns and bullets and tanks and...

        March 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
      • Max Powers

        cnnisajoke, Since when have Democrats not liked guns? Have you noticed that Obama hasn't gone for gun control at all during his administration? It's because Clinton taught everyone the hard lesson that both Democrats and Republicans like guns in the US and that kind of legislation won't go anywhere. Bush Jr. hated guns and had them confiscated in Louisiana, the only president to issue such an order. So enough with the partisan BS. I'm a Democrat and I enjoy my firearms. When tensions are high, they are best left out of reach though, and this has been a common practice even in the "old west".

        March 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Buzzer

      Do you have the capability to see past your own initial reaction to "taking a rifle away from a Marine"? Read my post above yours, you can bet it wasn't a "joke" that this decision was made.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  52. WeDontWinWars

    at least we know now they can make good teepees with their weapons.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  53. wobbles

    It's pathetic that the man who makes decisions that put these good men and women into harms way is a coward and doesn't have faith in the discipline of our troops. He ought to resign if he's afraid of his own troops.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Reply
    • John

      I have read the article three times now. Maybe I am missing something, but where specifically does it say that Secretary Panetta ordered this done? You call him a coward for ordering this, but I just don't see where he did. Please advise where you specifically say the secretary ordered this.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
      • JW

        good point. for all we know, one of the generals ordered this as a precaution. and it isn't the first time this has been done, so people are blowing this out of proportion.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      It is pathetic when American soldiers pose in from of NAZI symbols, go berserk and kill innocent civilians and otherwise act outside of what the command structure tells them to do, which is probably why the general did what he thought best.

      When American military personnel start acting like murderers rather than protectors of freedom and democracy, then they need stricter control. Who knows when some gung ho soldier is going to take aim at our government officials just because he does not like an action that official took? We have civilian control over the military for one very good reason – to prevent a military dictatorship from getting a foothold. Obviously, this point is lost on some people.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
      • Harry Tank

        I wonder how many innocent civilians, especially women, will be "protected" by the Taliban when they takeover. If you want the US out, you will have to take some of the blame for what follows.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Pudendal Cleft

      Hey, considering that an ever growing number of our 'troops' are gang-bangers who enlist for free, on the job training, who can blame him?

      We're so desperate for cannon-fodder these days that we'll take anyone. Especially sociopathic thugs.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  54. Rick Santorium

    I like getting pounded in the poo hole.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
    • Bubbashrimp2

      You are a filthy animal. You call that love? I call it sodomy. Use whatever name you want. Defend the indefendsible. Your days as a filty pervert are coming to an end. Prop 8 can't even be passed.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • Pudendal Cleft

        "Methinks thou doth protest to much".

        Face it, Bubba. You love it.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  55. Face

    Smart

    March 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
  56. beezy

    he calls us hicks cuz he is mad that one of soldiers banged his girl friend when she realized how pathetic he is and wanted a real man. thats why he is so hostile.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  57. JerseyBill

    What a big pusssy.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
  58. JW

    When I was in the infantry, from time to time when various high ranking officials were visiting, and especially the President, we were required to remove our firing pins or other various things to make our weaponse unusable. This isn't really anything that exciting or new.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Reply
    • Dan

      When I was in the Marine Corps infantry, which is specific to this report, I was never once, in 4 years, told to remove the firing pin from my weapon unless I was cleaning it. If a Marine officer had told us to remove our firing pins, he probably would have been court-martialed. We trusted our officers – both commissioned and non-commissioned. Once someone had told me to remove my firing pin, in a hostile country, I would have followed orders – we all would have. But we wouldn't have trusted that so-called-leader ever again. If politicians want to speak to an unarmed group, the PTA and Girl Scouts are always looking for presenters. Don't emasculate a Marine so you can have a photo op and wear khakis and a flight jacket.
      And by the way, a tour of a college, even one as presigious as the United States Military Academy, is a far cry from a combat zone.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Reply
      • TomFoolarry

        Umm...Camp Leatherneck ain't in the U.S. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
      • JW

        Didn't say anything about a college tour or academy, not even relevant.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
      • JW

        I see, you were only in for 4 years. That isn't very long, and I'm guessing no high ranking civilian officials or the President ever visited you during that time.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • WJB

      Remove "firing pins or other various things to make our weaponse unusable"? Do you even know what you are saying? Yah you were never infantry, talking like that. Good golly, man!!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
      • JW

        Well, if you never had the experience, that is fine. But that was my experience. That was many years ago, but nevertheless it is the truth. We didn't care much for it then, and I'm sure they don't now. But people have their reasons. Don't have to be insulting just because you think otherwise.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  59. JoeT

    Showing my age here, but here goes: When Ronald Reagan visited West Point, we had an inspection lasting two hours prior to the parade to ensure that none of our rifles had firing pins in them.

    March 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • Aaron

      Wow anything to get readers CNN come on, When these armed forces people saying no big deal.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
      • jim

        Spot on Aaron. Nothing new here. Looks like CNN is desperate to create content.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Aaron

      Wow JoeT,

      West point Hat of to you sir huge respect.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
    • whatguy

      I respect your input, and your service, but don't you think there is a bit of a difference between westpoint and a war zone?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
      • JoeT

        I'm hoping that the marines on base not attending the speech would remain armed.
        It gets to be an interesting case– while a lot of folks at West Point were stressed, I doubt very many of us were as beat up mentally as the staff sergeant who recently massacred Afghan civilians.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • Aaron

        Whatguy,

        Sorry my post got mixed up I was replying to a person. JoeT that shared a story from West Point.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  60. Donna

    Earlier on this post I read a comment from someone who said he had just heard that as Panetta was landing a civilian jumped in a car and headed toward the plane. He crashed the car into a ditch then tried to steal a truck but was caught. He probably was an Afghan out to kill. I can't find the post now. Did anyone see it?

    March 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • andrew

      It's the front page story on http://www.drudgereport.com

      March 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      Sounds like absolute bullshit to me.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Patricia

      msnbc
      An Afghan man drove a stolen pickup onto a runway at Camp Bastion, the main British base in southern Afghanistan, before crashing into a ditch - right around the time that U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's plane was touching down, U.S. defense officials said.

      The crash was in the vicinity of where Panetta's plane was supposed to park. The secretary's aircraft had to taxi to a different location. No one in Panetta’s party was hurt, said Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  61. oBSERVER6

    Rest assured Secret Service agents in the room were armed – makes sense for the Marines to disarm before entering the room in the event an Afghan makes a dash for a weapon, still...I would not have liked to disarm either, that weapon is my lifeline in a hostile country and I feel the same tidbit of anger most share on their postings about Afghans complaining in spite of the moles and traitors within their ranks.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  62. political prisoner

    415 comments over this? Realy? Wow you all Board?i mean what's the big deal?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • SomeDude

      Yes, we are "board". We are so "board" that we are playing "bored" games while checking out CNN on a trusty old computer. Hopefully, the mother "bored" won't get fried, because I am already "board".

      March 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
      • Wes Scott

        Great response!

        March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
      • Seriously? Are you for real?

        Whether (or weather) one is board, bored, or illiterate, he is right/write: 415 comments on this is embarrassing. You are all losers. Luckily, you're home on your computers and not in a war zone attempting to make decisions.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • Some Dude

        Yes that is true. I am an idiot lol

        March 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • JW

      We are mastering the English language.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • Beastclouds

      Dead kids don't get photographed. God bless our dead marines.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  63. AL In Palm Beach County, FL

    In case you missed it.

    A stolen car, just crash in the same base Panetta is in....

    THEY KNEW MORE THAN THEY WERE LETTING YOU FOOLS KNOW.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • martin

      wow, there is a big conspiracy here i am sure. way to go buddy. M O R O N

      March 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Jay

      How does that make disarming marines a good idea?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
  64. Currently serving

    Poltical correctness at its best! I long for the Generals of years past, Patton, Marshal.Eisenhower and Schwarzkopf . Generals with a backbone and that had faith and confindence in their troops...

    March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • Feast of Beast

      Agreed.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      Schwarzkopf??? What the fuck did he ever do? And yeah, we revered Patton so much we had him killed.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
  65. Jay C

    The Obamao regime understands the military is not thrilled with them. A rare case of this administration understanding something.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      Who gives a shit about what the freeloaders in the military are pissed about.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
    • Jay C

      My mommy lets me say bad things about the prsident on the internest
      because it keeps me out of trouble.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
  66. Guy

    We trust our troops to defend the free world but not be remain armed for during a dignitary's visit? Really?? Ok, show of hands. . . Who believes the b/s story about not hurting the Afghan soldiers' feelings?????

    March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • KO

      Obviously, you have never served in Afghanistan AND obviously, you have been leaving under a rock for the last 2 months.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
    • YeahISaidItSoWhat

      Pipe down...It makes sense to everybody except you. Sure bet you're first in line at the 9/11 conspiracy table.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • sd

      He's not a dignitary, he is their commander, second only to the president.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
    • Sue

      "??????? "really??????? "show of hands...????"

      what a tool

      March 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Reply
  67. Jon Doe

    You must follow orders especially in a warzone – But I highly question the logic of this one. Seems like a politician made this order, not a military comander. Very much like when President Clinton in the 90's was giving a speech with law enforcement officers standing with him – They were ordered to remove the firing pins from their duty weapons before taking the stage. *** "Fear the government that fears your gun!" ***

    March 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      **** Seems like a politician made this order, not a military comander.

      Lear how to f/ucking read MORON !!!!!!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
  68. Dan

    I spent 4 years active duty in the Marine Corps infantry. I'm not sure how many Marines have posted here. We were taught one basic thing from bootcamp until you get out of the Corps – EVERY Marine is a rifleman. Marines carry weapons. We carried them everywhere. We slept with them. General Gurganus, Colin Powell said, "sometimes being a leader means making unpopular decisions." That only applies if you've made the right decision. Leadership is supporting and fighting for your Marines. There are no "new Sheriffs" in the Corps. There are Marines. If you want to be a Sheriff, go back home and run for the office in your local county. When some politician approached you about disarming Marines, you should have said, "Sir, Marines don't disarm. Secretary Panetta will have to speak to a group of people from a different branch of the military." You failed basic Marine Corps leadership. Time to retire as the warrior-ethos has disappeared from your character.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • Jon Doe

      Well said sir!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
    • wobbles

      Pretty pathetic that our politicians put Marines in harms way in this dirthole country so the politicians and their friends can make money off the contracts there, but are afraid to stand before them unless they are unarmed. A bunch of cowards in control of this country, showing their fear of better men.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
      • Wes Scott

        Yeah, that is exactly what I was saying when those cowards Bush (who ducked out on NATIONAL GUARD duty to work on political campaigns of his daddy's friends) and Rumsfeld (who never served a day in his life) were putting our soldiers, sailors and Marines in harm's way in Iraq and Afghanistan!

        March 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Scott in NC

      Very well put. It’s no surprise considering the source though. Someone with zero military experience being put in charge of the entire military is bound to make requests like this. It’s sad that the General decided that it was more important to be a “yes-man” than stick up for his Marines.
      Panetta is a budget guy, an accountant, and I'm sure a very good one. Unfortunately that, along with proven party loyalty, shouldn’t be the sole requirements for being SECDEF (or CIA director, for that matter). The last several administrations have made nearly every government post more about paying back those that were loyal than about effectiveness. Such a shame.
      – Semper Fi

      March 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Served in The Army

      This is a no brainier! You never ever surrender your weapon in a combat zone ever. Some blockhead in Washington made that call probably Panetta himself. Once again the Obama administration is just sending conflicting messages to the world and our troops. They say we can continue the mission in Afghanistan but, the soldiers can not carry weapons were the Afghans are! How stupid is that?? If that is the case why don't we just disarm the whole base and let Panetta trust his security to the Afghans. I doubt he would like that idea to much! Some Secretary of Defense I miss Gates, that man knew how to do his job. This idiot we have know could not take a piss without getting the approval of his boss Obama!!! Both the general AKA "The New Sheriff" and Panetta should quite.

      Chris- VA

      March 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      "Warrior-ethos".........

      What absolute bullshit.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Reply
      • Dan

        The only reason your free today Pudendal is because generations before you had the warrior-ethos. Now go play your X-Box and live off the sacrifices others made for you. Don't worry – they don't need your thanks.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
      • Pudendal Cleft

        Hey Dan, I'm surprised you even have time to post, what with all that khaki cock crammed down your throat and up your hungry ass.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • DeTamble

      You failed basic reading.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  69. theunallied

    Okay, so there's a couple dozen afghan soldiers told to disarm. They are told that because they cannot be trusted. I've read so many stories about afghan soldiers that we've trained turning around and utilizing their special access to kill coalition troops. The marines weren't told to disarm because of fears that a marine would do something to panetta, the marines were told to disarm because they didn't want the two dozen afghan soldiers to have access to any weapons within the room. If there was even an inkling of intelligence received that harm was going to be attempted against panetta here, it only makes sense to ensure no weapons were accessible to the individual or individuals wanting to cause harm. This order would have never been put out without some form of intelligence acting as a precursor.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • Bob Shields

      You might want to read that story again...

      March 14, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
      • JohnnyDH

        Right Bob, because they would always tell 100% of the truth to CNN and we should take what is reported in the story as gospel. I would tend to side with this poster's account more.

        March 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Aaron

      Not one should have showed up sent this SOB home packing..

      March 14, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
    • DoggSho

      Total Bull Sh; even the article says "somebody got itchy" so stop trying to spin it other than what it is. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta knows that if a loose US Marine can snap and go all out of the way to point-blank assassinate young toddler children and women in their sleep – then burn some of the bodies (I've heard/read), then surely Mr.Panetta knows that it's also plausible that a burnt-out solider(s) could decimate him (Panetta). Long story short, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta Or somebody was/is in fear of Mr. Panetta's own safety and or life from his own subordinates.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
      • unknown11

        You cannot decimate one person.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Served in The Army

      By the way the order was totally unlawful no one should have followed it. You carry your weapon every were because you do not get a heads up from the enemy telling you he is going to attack at this time on this date. The marines should have told them "Screw you im not gonna go listen to the idiot then". Let Panetta talk to a room full of press. I would not have surrendered my weapon. Also, if they were so admit about it I would have told them " I will surrender my weapon the day that we land back on US soil"! Also, if they had intel that someone was going to try and kill Panetta he would not have even shown up to that base! DUH!!! You think he or the administration would take a chance on that!

      March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Reply
      • Edwin

        I may not really understand the chain of command as well as you do, but, umm, isn't it a violation of military rules to tell a superior officer to "Screw You" and refuse their direct order?

        And Marines are not expected to carry their weapons at ALL times - to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. They were on base. A superior officer told them to disarm. They disarm - end of story.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
      • Wes Scott

        It is people like you who would willfully disobey an order by your Superior Officers that make the American military not all that different from some renegade unit in a Third World country. People with your atitude are exactly what is wrong with our "all volunteer" military today. Your statement is a disgrace to all good military people who understand that you don't have to like an order, but you do have to obey it. The military services are NOT a democracy, and the slaves do NOT get to rule their masters.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  70. Russ

    Wow... I really don't see why people are bent out of shape over this. When I was in Kabul, Afghan at ISAF HQ in 06-07 the Secratary of the Navy came to visit us and the Marines and Sailors were disarmed. We didn't get all butt hurt. There is no need during a speech/meet and greet to be armed. After these 'speeches' there is handing out of Command Coins, shaking hands, and pictures. No need for rifles and body armor.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • Aaron

      Russ,

      Coming from you then I understand and respect just reading that made me feel they don't trust you guys. Sorry.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
    • wobbles

      Doesn't bother you that the buy pulling the strings that might get you and your friends killed is a coward too afraid and distrustful to stand before you unless you are unarmed? It bothers me. So much for lead from the front when it comes to politicians. It's a disgrace that cowards like this man make decisions that get better men than themselves killed and maimed.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Reply
      • Wes Scott

        So, I will bet that you just LOVED Donald Rumsfeld! He was the idiot who designed the "smaller, lighter, quicker" military that did not need all those extra weapons, armor and manpower because we could stike in "lightning force" attack mode and be "more efficient."

        March 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Edwin

      Russ: the difference is that we had a republican president then. Many people here are so upset at Obama that they see EVERY action as if Obama did it and made it bad - even if the action was unrelated to Obama.

      Imagine if we somehow "won" in Afghanistan - the Taliban shrivelled up, the government became democratic and purged itself of corruption, the country became a bastion of human rights and all that. The posters here wouldn't give congratulations - they would simply go to another board and post how Obama is destroying America.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  71. Brian Gross

    Here we go. Obama already asking people to give up weapons. Whats next? Collect all guns fromAmericans? Over my dead body baby. Anyone trying to get my gun will be leaving in a bodybag.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      jeez, violent much?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • John

      Not only are you Gross, but you're Inept and Traitorous as well. Mom must be so proud of her little l o s e r.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Reply
    • Fupped Duck

      Hey talk about Obama making us disarm, did you hear someone just assasinated an American in a Texas courthouse. We sure don't want our toys taken away. If that happens someone may be able to see their family tonight.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
      • JL

        And what if this guy did this with a hammer? Or a nail gun? Or a paintball gun? How about a shotgun? Stop blaming the tool for being used incorrectly, and blame the tool who uses it incorrectly. Just because you fear guns and don't respect them doesn't mean everyone does, and no one should have them.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
      • itsme

        Fupped Duck,

        Yes, you have it all figured out. Those crazy old guys that wrote the constitution got it all wrong. I will give up my guns when the military and police give up theirs. Before someone goes off in a tirade about how I'm not patriotic, I served in the Army for 8 years, and did multiple tours in Afghanistan where I was injured.

        In the infamous words of Thomas Jefferson "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

        March 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • Served in The Army

        Yeah and while we are at it will give up our knifes, forks, pens, needles, tooth brushes, hair brushes, safety pens, ear rings, lightes, cars,... i could keep going but all of these things have been used to murder someone. I guarantee you that someone will always be able to find something to kill someone.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
      • Jay

        "did you hear someone just assasinated an American in a Texas courthouse"

        That's not possible. Assasinating an American requires the approval of Obama.

        http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/the-secret-memo-that-explains-why-obama-can-kill-americans/246004/

        March 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Sean

      troll

      March 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Reply
    • ctbeckyw

      Hey, BGross (literally and figuratively). Obama didn't necessarily order it and, from what other more intelligent posters wrote, it isn't unusual to be disarmed when hearing a VIP speech.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • no

      Gross – You are either a complete idiot or a troll. Either way, you su-ck!!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • John Bell

      That is President Obama to you. Have more respect.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • BR

      Your comment cannot be taken seriously. You think Obama had the soldiers put down their guns? Fine, you don't like Obama, that's your business, but there is absolutely nothing in this article to support your unfounded conclusion. Your false macho comments are out of place and frankly, laughable. You need to chill out, pal..

      March 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
    • JL

      Brian, you're the kind of 2nd amendment nutcase that's going to get the lawful users of weapons in trouble. First, where does it say Obama gave the order? Second, your paranoia plus a handgun is what scares those that don't respect/understand handguns and other weapons... if you were to have a more logical and smarter view on these kinds of things, people wouldn't be so apt to want to remove handguns from society. I own guns, I like having them for defense, but I don't inject paranoia and illogical statements into every 2nd amendment argument. You should try the same, or go seek help.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
    • CHRIS R

      You don know that gun control laws are looser now than they have been in ages. There are less restrictions in place now than when Bush was in office. Do you think this is some sort of long term strategy to get everyone to relax so he can suddenly spring it on people in his next term? You do don't you. Do you believe a lot of groundless conspiracy theories?

      March 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      Ooooooooohhhhh!!!!.........I'm soooo frightened. What a fucking tool.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      *** Obama already asking people to give up weapons..............

      Yup, thats what the Republicans scream when they want to keep the base in fear.
      Seems to work pretty well.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Reply
  72. woody

    Were the Afghani's on base made to remove their shoes?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • Ivan

      ha. ha . ha

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
  73. jasazo

    In the time it took me to write my first comment many current and ex-miltary people joined in with informed and logical opinions. There are now more than two as I had first stated.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    • Yaker

      Refeshing isn't it. And and Trolls!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • Aaron

      This is a complete OUTRAGE and beyond disrespectful to the men & woman who lay their lives on the line how dare that arrogant SOB ask that. low life.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
      • Pudendal Cleft

        You seem stressed. Stab yourself in the eyes.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
      • DeTamble

        You should sit down.
        There is a nice pitchfork over there.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  74. Denae

    The Afghan soldiers have murdered many of our soldiers. Why do they get SO upset when one of ours go bezerk and do it, but no one apolgized, whined, or made a big deal of it when their people do it? I have seen probably half a dozen stories in the last YEAR of an Afghan military person firing on our personnel and killing. So to have our soldiers disarm just because some Afghans were in the room and we have to show them "respect" is ridiculous. Do they show respect to their own people when they are beheading them, cutting off limbs; or raping women and children if they don't follow Islam? NO.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      Amen to that 😉

      March 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    • jasazo

      Do you want the Afgans soldiers to be like ours or visa versa. To LEAD is to set the example not follow the "pack"!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • Pudendal Cleft

      That's right – they're "murderers", while our apple-cheeked lads are "hee-rows". No fucking sympathy for anyone stupid enough to willingly enlist and allow themselves to be transported to some 3rd world shit hole.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
  75. Hooah

    Wonder if this had anything to do with the disarming. A truck exploded on the runway where his plane was expected to land.
    Although I would hardly think that would be the best time to have the Marines disarm, right after an IED explodes on the runway?

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/03/ap-afghanistan-leon-panetta-secdef-plane-truck-explodes-on-runway-031412/

    March 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
  76. Jesse Taylor

    Hahahaha Panetta is so widely reviled that he can't even come into a room with armed troops anymore without worrying about getting fragged. Game over war pigs.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
    • robert krieger

      What a bunch of bull to disarm american troops. Time to read some history!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Reply
    • Yaker

      Troll!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • John

      Robert and Jesse - both with opposing opinions, yet neither know what they're talking about.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  77. jasazo

    One of the problems with people who have the privilege to comment on thiese stories is the responders are too oftern mis-informed, in this case only one (perhaps two) who have been in the military and understand/know what they are talking about and the rest are ignorant and want to prove themselves so. I am sure most of you will think that I am amonst the latter group. God help you!!!

    March 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Sean

      I agree, however seeing as this comment board means nothing in the real world you point seems rather moot.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      *** responders are too oftern mis-informed, in this case only one (perhaps two) who have been in the military .....

      Jasazo, it has nothing to do with being in the military,
      Most of these idiots just dont bother to read the whole story.
      Scan the headline, read a few sentences and BINGO......experts.

      Is school out ?
      Seems to be a lot of children/trolls on here.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Reply
  78. Kevin

    What a bonehead order. If our own leaders, Maj Gen Gurganus, do not trust his own troops he should not be allowed to lead them. It was appropriate to have the Afgans disarm just as it would be appropriate to ask the Americans to disarm if Karsi spoke. Garganus should be relieved for issueing that order. It is not the Secretary's fault or the administrations.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • mudbone9

      I understand where you are coming from but I am also sure that the commander of the soldier that shot all the Afghan civilians trusted him as well.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
  79. Richard

    Spent the majority of my tour in Viet Nam not carrying a weapon on post.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      Then you were not on the front lines with the rest of us -Huh

      March 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
      • Richard

        ? What front lines. ? A perimeter ain't much of a line.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • Pudendal Cleft

        "Us"? I'll bet you weren't even a glint in the mail-mans eye during 'Nam.

        Chickenhawk fuck.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
      • BurntheQuhey havaran

        what front lines

        March 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Sean

      We all know what a great success Viet Nam was.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
  80. In the Army 25 years

    Totally right call – get over it!

    March 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Get over them not getting over it! Muahah see I can do it too!

      March 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
  81. WachetAuf

    The order was given by a Major General. It is his responsibility. Do any of you with such fragile egos wish to cross-examine him?

    March 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      /yawn

      March 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  82. Jepp Versacci

    What a fiasco. It is long over due time to get out of Afghanistan. The nation building has always had a diminishing return on our efforts. They hate us....get it. Now our soldiers are so battle fatigued and shell shocked that some are going berserk. What confidence does it show that they don't trust our soldiers to be in the same room with the secretary of defense unarmed in a war zone. Pathetic. Al Qaeda are like cockroaches. We chase them out of Afghanistan and they will just run to Iran and Syria and elsewhere, We just haven't learned from Vietnam, Korea, Iraq. It all comes down to the oil in the middle east. If we could get off our asses and become energy independent we could tell those godd*mn Arabs to eat their f*cking oil. We are not the parents or policemen for the world. Our foreign policy is in shambles.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • WachetAuf

      NATION BUILDING. It is something which the Repuiblicans were strongly opposed to when President Clinton was in office. Yet, as soon as Bush II came into office, it became an obsessive theological calling, spending trillions and killing thousands and unable to came up with an end game – for one thing only, arrogance and shame.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Reason & Logic

      Seeing that you have so much passion about the subject tell us what do you plan to do about it?

      March 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @ Jepp Versacci
      Cause you know Afghanistan is swimming in oil /facepalm

      Nation building works… See Germany and Japan as examples. However you cannot FORCE it on a people who want to remain tribal and ignorant.

      @ Reason & Logic
      Leave.
      Carpet b0mbing on the way out.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  83. Brian

    If your security and psychological screening is good, you don't need guns in the room...

    March 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      So then– have you ever been in an active combat zone?- I didn' think so ,therefore your opinion is without merit 😉

      March 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
      • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

        @Bobby
        Your logic is as poor as Brian’s.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  84. doug

    I am an active duty military officer with over 19 years of service. This makes sense if we are to demonstrate to the Afghan military that they are true partners with the US Military. We cannot expect to trust the Afghan military to conduct combat operations alongside US troops if we do not extend them the trust and respect due to comrades in arms that is essential to working together as a combat team. The choice, then, is either to have everyone in the room armed, or no one. Given the recent history of rogue infiltrators in the Afghan army turning on their coalition counterparts, it is simply prudent from a security standpoint to leave weapons outside while the SECDEF is meeting with military personnel on a secure military base. Given that, it is the right thing to do, for the purpose of our strategic mission there, to build trust within the coalition. It is the nature of an insurgency that the enemy will try to divide the coalition and build distrust between soldier of the different nations by infiltrating the coalition; this is an attempt to reapair that trust, nothing more. Having said that, I seriously doubt that anyone would seriously consider disarming US military personnel if there were no Afghans present.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
    • Reason & Logic

      Well-spoken by a voice of reason. Too many commentators here know nothing about military service and are only driven by their political ideologies.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • JimfromBham

      Absolutely correct. If the Afghans are not allowed to have weapons due to recent problems, then "face saving" for our Afghan partners demands equality, and US forces present should also be disarmed.

      Bet the perimeter was well guarded by armed US troops out of sight, however.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
    • Jepp Versacci

      You say you are active military and you spew this nonsense! What are you smoking. There is no coalition. Afghanistan is so corrupt they cannot manage their own heroine problem. Man they got you brain washed. We need to get the hell out now and let them spiral into chaos I don't give a damn about them or the fricken Arabs. If they want freedom, independence and rights let them fight for it themselves.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
      • CHRIS R

        You never actually served in the military have you? So what you are doing is saying that even though you have absolutely no experience whatsoever your opinion counts for more than someone who has made his life's work serving in the military? Well done sir, bravo. Bravo.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • doug

        Mr. Versacci,

        Yes, I am, as I said, an active duty military officer, and have been since 1993. The "nonsense" that you say I "spewed" above is the informed professional opinion of an individual who has been a student and a practitioner of war in the service of his country for most of his adult life. I have studied extensively the theory and history of warfare in all its forms, including insurgencies such as the US Revolutionary War, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Algeria, Nicaragua, and many others. I served two combat deployments in Iraq, and have deployed overseas numerous times. I have missed countless holidays, birthdays, weddings, annniversaries, little league games, school plays, and other events with my family because my duties kept me away from them often and for extended periods of time. I have attended too many memorial services for friends I have lost along the way. I have engaged in combat operations where I have killed those who were trying to kill me, never knowing whether I would make it home alive to see my children grow up. I continue to serve today, because I think it is important to my childrens' and our country's future that I do so. I speak from years of first-hand experience and extensive, in-depth, critical study of my profession, not because I have been "brain-washed," as you so ineloquently put it. Rather, I felt it important to shed light on the circumstances described in this article from an informed perspective. It is unfortunate that you possess neither the humility nor the understanding to take a moment to consider that my comments may have some merit. Perhaps if you listened more, and "spewed" less, your point of view might actually be taken seriously by others. In closing, I recommend in the future that you heed the advice of Mark Twain, who said, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have others think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

        March 14, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Face saving is just politics and has no business in the military.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
      • doug

        Tom,

        Actually, politics is at the core of counter-insurgency operations. During an insurgency, the center of gravity is the population. The side that has the support of the population will eventually prevail. Unlike conventional military operations in which the destruction or defeat of the enemy's military forces is the key to victory, in an insurgency, the enemy relies on the support of the local population to remain hidden and destabilize the government in place. If they are not supported by the local population, they have nowhere to hide and no defense against the superior military capabilities of the conventional occupying force. This is why the issue regarding nightime raids by coalition forces, the burning of Korans, the desecration of Taliban dead, and the latest incident involving the killing of civilians by an individual soldier, are such serious strategic setbacks for us in this conflict. They undermine our efforts to win the "hearts and minds" of the population. The insurgents can use incidents such as these for propaganda to bolster their support among the local population, and ultimately make it impossible for us to achieve our strategic objectives. Make no mistake, counterinsurgency is one of the most challenging types of operations any military can undertake, because an enemy with few weapons and resources can defeat a far superior force by successfully undermining popular support through intimidation, propaganda, and information warfare. Unfortunately, recent developments have not gone our way in this respect, and it will be a challenge to recover from them. The enemy understands this very well and is sure to be encouraged by these latest developments.

        March 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • zpitts

      So you guys are so interested in being fair to your brothers in arms that you've been doing all along?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Reply
  85. WDinDallas

    I would definitely understand that if Obama was visiting.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Reply
    • John Bell

      That is President Obama to you. Show some respect.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
      • Jon Doe

        John – someone is ringing your Bell, if you think that is the measure of a real American President.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
      • Katie

        Don't you mean Comrade Obama?????

        March 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
      • President ????????

        Don't you have to be a U.S Citizen to be called President?

        March 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • zpitts

        You're a complete moron if you still believe the whole birther thing... President Barrack Hussein Obama is twice the president Bush could've been in 4 terms...

        March 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  86. Randy

    More insanity by an Administration who hates the military. Generals are being placed who will support the de-moralization of our troops. Sad.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
    • Brian

      if you need a gun in your hand while listening to a speech to boost your morale, that is sad.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Reply
      • Dave

        Its a war zone champ – maybe you watch a little less msnbc

        March 14, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
      • Dizmas

        This is my rifle, this is my gun....

        March 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Reason & Logic

      You can say that about anytime during our country's history. Lincoln feuded with his generals during the Civil War, Patton was disliked by his superiors, Westmoreland was punished by the Johnson Administration for the Tet Offensive. It's always been a power struggle between the Executive Office and the Military. Nothing new or surprising.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • boarddog

      Fail

      March 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      President Obama and the Military get along just fine.
      Its you Obama haters that like to make up crap that doesnt exist.
      You should medicate yourself, four more years coming.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
    • zpitts

      Maybe the complete demoralization of the troops has more to do with 4 and 5 deployments and a war that should have never been started in the first place. If Pres Obama had been in office in 2001 he would have sent in SEAL Team 6 and killed Bin Laden then not start and carry out a two front war. Bush more to privatize the military than any other president in the history of the country.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  87. PanettaTheTraitor!

    Force him out of office. He sits under a cloud of extreme controversy and instability for our American troops he insults before the international community.

    The American people can force this man and his counterpart at the White House out of office.

    How dare they insult our courageous American troops and treat them all like criminals before the world.

    That is treason!

    March 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • bob

      Idiot. I remember Strom Thrumond threatening Bill Clinton if he visited his state.

      Right wing terrorism must be stamped out.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • Scot

      What a fool !
      I doubt you even served.
      I did 1968-1970 in Da Nang and while I did not like the politics of Johnson and Nixon I understood what needed to be done when a high ranking pollitico came to visit.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Reply
    • Sean

      This comment brought to you by, Fox News

      March 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    • CHRIS R

      First off, there was no disrespect for anyone. None. Second, this was a decision made by the commander on the ground in the field. Are you second guessing the people who are actually there? What is wrong with you? I thought you, of all people, would respect the military and understand that they need to make decisions you might not understand.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      Hello, that you Santorum ?
      You can come out now !
      Cant be Sarah, she would have said.....You betcha !

      March 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  88. Jerry Senzee

    The whole deal is getting nuttier by the day.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • musings

      I used to wonder if there would ever be a mutiny. This case looks more like a situation where they needed to convince the Afghans that everyone would be treated equally, so as not to have Afghans lose face. But when I think of possible reprisals, and fresh (or redeployed) troops going into Afghanistan before the killings of 16 innocent villagers is resolved, and the possible local repercussions, one can truly be concerned the troops will be afraid we don't have their back.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Reply
      • Scot

        WE have their back as does the President. This shit happen in Nam too. For you to young to remember My Lai with 504 civilians killed !

        March 14, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  89. Smedley Butler

    "Well,well. Now this administration has succeeded in alienating portions of our own military"

    PORTIONS??
    The military despise this narcissist prez and his "Permission Slip" Leon, the putz SECDEF

    March 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • WachetAuf

      Mr. Butler,

      Who is the narcissist? Jesus gave us some very practical advice. Before you can evaluate the speck in someone else's eye you must first examine the plank in your own. I offer this advice because I assume that you are a Christian who follows Jesus' teachings. If, not, I apologize. My mistake.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      Hey Smedley,
      Our soldiers are grateful Obama is in office.
      They may get home to thier familys quicker now that he is winding down 2 wars.
      So you go right on making up shit.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Reply
  90. Bobby

    Now we have to disarm our own troops (very sad indeeed) .I say it is time to get the heck out of that rat hole !

    March 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
  91. Unknown

    "Gurganus said reason to disarm was that the Afghan soldiers in attendance were unarmed and he did not want them treated differently than the Marines." This has nothing to do with Marines being 'disrespected' or Panetta being afraid. This has to do with Afghan soldiers having guns around a major figure in American politics at a time when there is distrust and anger among the Afghanis with the American military and Americans in general. Maj. Gen. Gurganus made the right call.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
    • Randy

      Knee-jerk liberal post.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
      • Unknown

        Actually, I'm a rational Republican. But, thanks for playing. Bye

        March 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
      • WachetAuf

        Randy,

        As a matter of objective fact, it seems to me that your comment may be miore easily described as the "knee-jerk" reaction. Please also tell us what words were used by Mr. "Unknown" which identifies him as a "liberal".

        March 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
      • DeTamble

        So Randy, what are you ? Knee-jerk trailor trash ?

        March 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
  92. Mark

    The warlord must be protected.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
  93. Fritz Guzinia

    Absolutely disgraceful, by an absolutely inept and corrupt administration ("Regime")

    March 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
    • WeDontWinWars

      lol...I wouldn't trust a bunch of G.E.D. qualified Marines either...

      March 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  94. Hawk in texas

    Can't you people read. there were afgan troops there that were unarmed. and the marines disarmed out of respect for them. at least that is what the general said.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Reply
    • Tamars

      the key phrase in your statement is "at least that's what the general said". unfortunately we know they are not all honest.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • Unknown

      No, apparently they can't read. Unbelievable.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      I don't buy it for one moment.It is time to leave that rat hole !

      March 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • NO way!

      The General is full of crap! "Respect" for a foreign force on a US base? No way...this is about the shooting and a distrust of our military members, this set of DEMS has no understanding of how to wage war, these definitly are NOT JKF dems.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Reply
      • WachetAuf

        So, if you were in charge, what would be the strategic objectives of the war which you would wage and what actions would you take to best promote those objectives?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
      • Sue

        Please stop displaying your complete ignorance for everyone to see. It's embarassing, but I guess you being former Navy and never actually having to defend anything because the Marines did all the work..explains your ignorance about correct protocol in-country.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
      • CHRIS R

        Yes, respect for *domestic* troops on a base we have on *foreign* soil. These are troops we are trying to work with so that we can get the heck out of Afghanistan. Pissing off your partners may seem like a good idea to you but it does nothing to forward the mission.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
      • DeTamble

        *** this set of DEMS has no understanding of how to wage war.......

        And yet it took Obama to do what Bush failed at.
        This DEM has the top military minds in the country working for him.
        But since you play wargames on your computer, you are the expert.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • richard

      Generals are politicians in uniform...

      March 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Reply
      • NO way!

        You have no idea just how correct you are...10 years service in the USN, I saw a ton of that

        March 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
      • cleo

        NO WAY!

        You came across a lot of generals in the Navy?

        March 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
      • Lean6

        Does the term "joint" mean anything to you? In the Navy, I see...or deal with too many Generals...Air Force and Marines. Depends on your business.

        March 14, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
      • irunner

        Generals are human. Some (not all) are aspiring politicians. Those are the ones who usually end up in the Pentagon.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • zpitts

        What dept do you think the Marines fall under? NAVY... My COs were all col in the marines... Never deal with any generals but that chain of command does exist

        March 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  95. Hart

    It was a civilian on the base that got "itchy" when as Panetta's plane was landing, the civilian stole a vehicle, drove over a military member heading in the direction of the plane. Crashed the vehicle in a ditch where he and it caught on fire. He exited the vehicle and tried to get on a truck when he was then arrested as military members were working on put out the fire. Just on the news.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Reply
    • musings

      Wow, thanks. Sounds like a panic attack. Maybe more, but probably just someone freaking out from the pressure that they might be killed in reprisal for the Kandehar province killings.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
  96. Sagebrush Shorty

    Well,well. Now this administration has succeeded in alienating portions of our own military. Panetta is not the man for the job and never should have been considered for such an important post. But again it just reflects on the attitudes of this President and his czars.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Reply
    • Lean6

      I.D.I.O.T.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Reply
    • irunner

      So shortstuff...
      What makes you think Panetta or Obama are any less competent as SecDef or CinC than their predecessors? I served under Carter and Reagon, and didn't see that they did any better job. You surely spent some time serving in the US military, right?

      March 14, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Reply
    • DeTamble

      President Reagan had czars.
      Bet you didnt know that.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Reply
  97. alex

    oh please, this is not a sign of weakness. if anything it shows how secure they are in the fact that there was no fear that anything would occur that they couldn't deal with using their bare hands. to those of you comparing checking your gun at the door to losing your manhood, maybe you need to reconsider your capacity as a man.

    March 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Reply
    • Unknown

      Thank you.

      March 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
    • capiers

      Given the circumstances to what took place recently with regards to that Soldiers killing spree, I am surprise more Afghan's don't rebel.. It's just human nature to want revenge I guess, Americans are good at that.

      March 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • irunner

      You are absolutely correct. I was a Marine for 9 years. If there were any internal or external threat, the Marines would not have stacked weapons outside. They were following orders. If they made as big a deal of this as most of the posters here, they would have never the the title U.S. Marine.

      March 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  98. babooph

    Makes me reflect on the pix of Adolph ,riding thru public streets ,in an open vehicle,in a foreign land ,with all building windows open & people waving -the whole world has changed a lot....

    March 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Reply
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