March 12th, 2012
04:57 PM ET

Shooting suspect was trained sniper

The soldier detained for the shootings in Afghanistan was a qualified infantry sniper, a senior Department of Defense official told CNN. (See also: heightened security in Afghanistan)

The soldier was injured in a vehicle rollover while in Iraq in 2010, according to the official. The official described it as a non-combat rollover. He was diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) but was found fit for duty.

His family has been moved on to Joint Base Lewis-McChord for their safety, the official said.

After an Afghan soldier alerted the U.S. military at the base of the soldier's initial departure, the U.S. military put up an aircraft to search for the missing soldier. Soon after, Afghan civilians came to the gate carrying wounded civilians, the first indication the military had of the shooting.

When the soldier turned himself over to the search party, he immediately invoked his rights not to speak. He has been moved to Kandahar and put in pre-trial confinement, a congressional source told CNN.

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  3. anonymous79

    Maybe it's time we consider a solution to the real problem that causes such shootings.

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    March 14, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Reply
  4. Todd

    The Afghans say there was more than one murderer..

    March 14, 2012 at 12:24 am | Reply
  5. Mike Henry

    Lies, and deceptions to no end. If public had access to the classified reports they would see the wide difference between what is being said by the officials and what is the truth. Govt. is claiming that he had a traumatic brain injury at one point in the past so he killed. On the same token, when an Afghan civilain takes up arms against soldiers in response to his family being slaughtered in this senseless war, such sympathetic views are hardly expressed for him, and worstly for revenge his entire village is wiped out by one of the many big bombs in the arsenal just to show, "see, I told you". This war has truly damaged America's credibility both among America's allies and enemies. Afghanistan is once again proving to be a grave yard of the world, after costing American taxpayers hundereds of billions of dollars. The single greatest penalty has been the lost of blood, limbs, and lives of tens and thousands of American service memebers, with little to show for as a conseqence of this war. You go Bush !!!!!!

    March 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • sdc43

      And please remind us all who increased the US presence in Afghanistan?

      March 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Reply
    • What the?

      Bush isn't the president anymore.

      March 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Reply
  6. Mike Henry

    Amazing that govt. and some pple here are claiming that he had a traumatic brain injury at one point in the past so he snapped and killed. On the same token, when an Afghan civilain takes up arms against soldiers in response to his family being slaughtered in this Bush's senseless war, such sympathetic views are hardly expressed for him, and worstly for revenge his entire village is wiped out by one of the many big bombs in the arsenal just to show, "see, I told you". This war has truly damaged America's credibility both among America's allies and enemies. Afghanistan is once again proving to be a grave yard of the world, after costing American taxpayers hundereds of billions of dollars. The single greatest penalty has been the lost of blood, limbs, and lives of tens and thousands of American service memebers, with little to show for as a conseqence of this war. You go Bush !!!!!!

    March 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
    • dad

      If you have never served, dont comment

      March 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
      • Robert

        Unfortunately, the soldier's actions reflect not only on American servicemen, but Americans in general so disallowing someone from speaking would not only deprive someone of the free speech rights, it would also make for a rather shallow speaker pool. Kind of like the preacher preaching to the choir. Besides if all took part in the conversation, perhaps all sides can learn from each other.

        March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • Jo

        I have served this country since 1979 at 17 years old. First with the 1st of the 506th Infantry (Air Assault) 101st Airborne Division, Ft Campbell KY next 27 years with the 5th Group Special Forces SOG (Green Beret) Formerly at Ft Bragg Now at Ft Campbell Ky. Served in Grenada ( Operation Urgent Fury) Panama (Operation Just Cause, and Operation Nifty Package, When we went after and captured General Noriega after he and his men killed 2 Seals and wounded 8 more) (Operation Desert Storm,) (Operation Desert Sheild) Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. 2 Purple Hearts for wound's sustained in Combat. AND YOU??

        March 14, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  7. Jean

    I heard a discussion about the fall-out from this incident on the radio here, and the most constructive suggestion made was by a woman caller: What can we do to help the families who were affected by this slaughter? How can we reach them to show our genuine grief and outrage that one of our people did this to them? Just imagine if a man had opened fire and killed 16 men, women, and children here in the US – we would be trying to offer help and sympathy.

    I would rather not have my government offering faceless condolences and blood money for the dozen and a half people this serviceman killed and injured. I would rather have school kids and church groups and saddened private citizens all over the US be fully free and able to send their sympathy and help. I want them to know that we DO value all life, not just that of the soldiers we send over there for our own geopolitical needs.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
  8. Fla Pete

    This soldier should have been sent home,no questions asked.TBIs are a neuro problem just being addressed in this country,I know from experience,my son suffered a TBI from a motorcycle-auto accident.Some people resume normal lives,some change and in my sons case,he has to start over,being comatosed for 8 months.He as well as these soldiers had headgear on,but it wasn't enough.From one day to the next you can't monitor these cases enough to deem them safe.Personnalities change,mannerisms change,health concerns are previlent.This poor soldier was taught to kill as a protective plan,not as a cold blooded killer who was not in his original mind set.He is taught only to return fire as a defensive posture,not shooting innocent civilians he probably never met.He's also a trained sniper,trained to take out insurgents at great distances with great accuratecy,not shooting in cramped courters at point blank range,on men ,women,and children.This soldier has a neurological problem caused by that accident.He wasn't tested enough or doctors working on him don't have enough data to grade the degree of the trama and what effects he might have in the future..I pray for his family and those innocent lives lost in this horrific accident ,a side effect of war...

    March 13, 2012 at 11:52 am | Reply
  9. Skorpio

    The US should ban the Koran in all military bases:
    1) Muslim clerics use the Koran as a weapon to incite and instigate the masses to create violence, chaos, hatred and attacks to Americans. 2) The same way Saudi Arabia confiscates and bans BIBLES because they are perceived as "subversives", the same thing the US should do to the Koran. 3) In comparison to Hitler's book "Mein kampf", the Koran is more violent, discriminatory and anti-Semitic. 4) The Koran promotes hatred, vengeance, violence, terrorism, resentment and discrimination. 5) The Koran is extremely offensive to "Non-Muslims", the Koran denigrates, humiliates, discriminates, attacks people of other faiths especially Jews.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • Feltch

      You're a regular font of lies and hate.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • LakDriver

      "especially Jews" Ah, that explains it all.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
    • SayedF

      @skorpio. All Lies and devoid of facts. I have read both the Bible and the Quran. I havnt read the entire Bible because its really difficult to understand but i have read the entire Quran and from what i have read as God my witness, Bible is BY-FAR more violent, BY-Far more full of hatred, bigotry and full of fairytale stories and fake characters. Quran is nothing like that. Quran is very serious and to the point book while Bible urges its followers to Kill babies, destroy crops, burn down houses, it urges ethnic cleasning, it urges its followers to kill their own children for disobediences, it is full of sexual stories, it is full of vengence, hatred, murder, rape, mayhem and all the other negative that you have used for Quran. Bible is full of fairy tale stories of unicorns? imagine unicorns, this book claims they exist or killing of 1000 men with a monkeys jaw bone. The other factual point is there is NUMERIOUS versions of Bible and all of them have verses missing in each other. It was Gods book that has been heavily editted by humans and hence its not in its orginal shape anymore and multiple versions of this book are simply an example of it, while there is only one Quran for everyone, and none of you have to take myword for it. Go buy and Quran and buy a Bible and read it yourselves. What next skorpio to bash Islam? Peodophelia?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • Jo

        Maybe you should google the koran, the ultimate truth read that then comment

        March 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
      • Buzz Mann

        "full of fairytale stories and fake characters. Quran is nothing like that."....LOL ever hear of a Djinn ?

        March 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  10. Skorpio

    It would've been better to kill 16 "MUSLIM CLERICS" instead of innocent people. I bet this soldier would've been a hero not just in America but also in Afghanistan, especially to the Afghan women.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
  11. LakDriver

    Think the Afghans have problems? Just wait 'til these merecenary psychopaths rotate back to the USA.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Mister Jones

      Those "mercenary psychopaths" defend you jackhole. Be happy that they don't go, so you can sit your fat lazy ass on your couch and watch reruns.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Reply
      • Jo

        Huah Jones!

        Master Sergeant Jo 5th Special Forces SOG (Afghan Trainer) Ft Campbell Ky.

        March 14, 2012 at 9:04 am |
      • LakDriver

        Invading Iraq equals defending me? Were the Nazis defending Germany when they invaded Poland?

        March 16, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • What the?

      We’re not in Iraq morron. And yes invading Afghanistan has done a pretty good job at keeping the Taliban out of the US

      March 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  12. michaelfury

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/payback/

    March 13, 2012 at 7:28 am | Reply
  13. Hamid

    I don't care if he was mentally injured that is no excuse for killing 16 people and He should be tried in Afghanistan or else the Afghan people will take revenge by killing troops.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:11 am | Reply
    • RJ

      AGREED

      March 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Reply
    • Jean

      I understand how you feel. I know Americans felt terrible anger and outrage when a Muslim soldier went berserk and killed a dozen servicemembers at Fort Hood, Texas, a few years back. Their feelings are blunted now by loyalty to America and "supporting the troops" but most Americans do understand that this killing in Panjwai was an act of slaughter.

      I would rather have the guilty parties in all cases be punished for their crimes – terrorists, renegade soldiers, warlords, cynical politicians who wage wars for their own interests – all of them should be fairly judged and should have to face their accusers. Then maybe the terrible catalogue of ever more brutal and irrational acts of revenge, that wipe out so many innocent people, could be brought to an end by responsible people of good will. And we could all get on with our lives – here and in Afghanistan. God – and men – willing.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • Buzz Mann

      "or else the Afghan people will take revenge by killing troops."...And that would be so diff from what they are doing now.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm | Reply
      • Jo

        These people will kill your whole family your dog all of your neighbors and their kids. All you have to do is say they are full of shit! You diss their family and it's on until one faction or the other is dead. This has been ingrained into their heads since birth. I know. been here for six very long years

        Master Sergeant Jo 5th Special Forces (Afghan Trainer) Green Beret Ft Campbell Ky.

        March 14, 2012 at 9:09 am |
      • Buzz Mann

        Thanks for the service Joe, my son is in army intell right now learning another language.

        March 14, 2012 at 9:22 am |
      • Jo

        Give him a HUAH for me. I can tell you buzz man, that most of these post's are from armchair quarterbacks who get their Afghan information from the new's. The newscaster's don't know shit about what is really going on. So they sit and read their papers in their safe little houses. They can do that because Me and other soldiers have been fighting war's to keep them free. I have been in since I was 17 years old in 1979. 6 war's and 2 purple hearts later I continue to do this shit. I heard a comment from an Afghan guy earlier. He said Our Glorious Afghanstan. Nuthin Glorious about it 6years in country. Mud Huts and crappy weather. And if one Afghan tells another that his sister is ugly they will swear out a blood feud. So his friends, relatives, neighbor's will kill the other guy's friends, family, dog, and neighbor's. It is ingrained into them from birth. Well good luck to your son. Send him the Meat and cheese tray. Everyone LOVES those.

        March 14, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  14. Unknown

    @goodegyptian you say we are all from Egypt? Sorry we are from Kenya. Yeah the place about two countries down. So sorry for crushing your dreams.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:46 am | Reply
  15. R.Winn

    Why is the alleged murderer's sniper school relevant to this story? He did nothing in this as a Sniper. Additionally, if you are having problems with understanding the mission objective in this deployment, after a decade of being there, then a rational answer is not likely to satisfy your quest for knowledge. You are polarized, and wish to continue your slacktivist attitude. For those who genuinely want to know, it's essentially the largest area-denial operation the US has ever attempted. We set out to ensure that Afghanistan could never be used as a base of training and deployment against either the US or our allies. There are a multitude of tasks to be undertaken if this is to be successful. My own thought is that we will fail, not because of our military or the men and women who lead it, but because our civilian leadership and citizenry does not have the political will to push this all of the way through. After all, we are a nation of people who's attention-span lasts only as long as it takes for us to find our navels and pick the lint out.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:26 am | Reply
    • michaelfury

      “Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public’s sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization."

      – Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard, 1997

      http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-ones-who-attacked-us/

      March 13, 2012 at 7:27 am | Reply
    • Jo

      The reason this is relevant is because Snipers are held to a higher standard than a regular Infantry Soldier. I am a Special Forces trained Sniper and we are held to a higher standard than a regular Green Beret. I see that he had served 2 tours in Iraq and this was his first in country in Afghanistan. I have been in the Army since 1979 (Retired 4 years ago) started as an Infantryman with the 1st of the 506th Infantry 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Ft Campbell KY. Went Special Forces (Green Beret), 5th Group SOG Ft Bragg. Now Located With the Nightstalkers Helicopter wing at Ft Campbell KY. Saw action in Grenada (Operation Urgent Fury), Panama (Operation Just cause) (Was with the group that captured General Noriega, Operation Nifty Package), Iraq ( Operation Desert Storm and Operation Desert Shield) Afghanistan, (Operation Enduring Freedom). In each one of these I have seen Men snap (although I might say never a Special Forces Soldier) We are trained not to come unglued and go on killing spree's. I entered the service the Day I turned 17 and by the time I was 18 I was an Air Assault qualified 11 Bravo Infantryman with the 101st Airborne. We were trained well, but not as well as a Special Forces Soldier. Most of the people I saw go off the deep end were regular Infantry. How can we avoid this? I believe that each Soldier should be trained to expect the worst scenario that they could possibly imagine. Maybe with this extended training they might be able to cope with whatever happens on this battlefield. Now I know little about this Soldier, but I do know about Army Sniper School (Special Forces Sniper) They are trained not to lose it when all seems lost. Apparently this guy did not revert back to his training and the result was Catastrophic. The way the Apghan's think is this. He killed o lot of our's we are going to kill him, his family, his fellow soldiers, his dog, and anyone who is not of the Islamic Faith. That has been POUNDED into them since birth. This guy has caused one of the most Major Setbacks in country since, well, ever. A few Quran's ,, Ok, they will forget about that in time. But innocent CIVILIANS, They are gonna get pissed. As a matter of fact we may have to pull out of this country, after all of those soldiers died for it. I am more than a little pissed off. Little trained Infantry Soldiers being thrown into combat is not the way to continue. We have to be trained to win the hearts and minds of the very proud Afghany People. I trained Afghan Soldiers, and they will give their lives for you if you show them you will do the same. One bad Apple Spoils the lot with these people, and that's the way they think. They think that because one bad Soldier wig's out that everyone in the Military is going to do the same. They have been raised on this belief. It is ingrained into their mind's. I guess I will end with. you can never have enough training, a little more for the Regular Infantry Soldier please.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply
      • Fla Pete

        @Joe,I salute you for your service for me and my country.This is a horrible accident brought on by a soldier who recieved a neurological,TBI from an accident in the field.He is not the same as he was before the blunt trama on his head accured.Doctors have little data on TBIs,my son suffers from one.Don't blame the poor soldier,he wasn't in his right mindset.Blame doctors pressured to get men back on their feet ,veterans tell me this all the time.I'm only going on what data I've read on this matter just recently,so thanks again for your service and extend a hand to this poor soldier,and family.I also send my condolences to those innocents lost by war....

        March 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  16. Luke Weyland

    As he killed in Afghanistan
    He should be tried in Afghanistan, by Afghanis, accoriding to Afghani law.

    March 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Reply
    • Jo

      I was there Training the Afghany Soldiers. and what I learned from them was,, you are right if we do not hold trail for this man in Afghanistan we will lose the Hearts and Minds of these people. Because of their ingrained Beliefs this is the only Answer to this very serious problem. A few Quran's burned? Ok, they will forget about that in time. Kill innocent Afghan people and children? They will not forget.
      Master Sergeant Jo 5th Special Forces (Green Beret) Ft Campbell Ky(Retired)

      March 13, 2012 at 8:16 am | Reply
  17. dog4dog

    the important thing to remember here is that the mission in afghanistan is to train the ANA to defend there own country, building bonds not destroying them is the way to go, the taliban will remain once we leave, the mission is not one of attrition but of training, the poor people who lost their loved ones, unforgivable, the soldier if deemed fit to stand trial must be brought to justice, the american military is suppose to be the rightous warriors on the planet, this bogus murder crap can't go on, this is a defining moment in the mission in afghanistan, letting the taliban escape at tora bora to set-up should in pakistan was another but nonetheless the little murder rampage in my mind set the tone for the next phase, getting out, how can we expect the people of afghanistan to be like us when they deal with this business, that soldiers actions were more signifigant than anything that the commander in chief has and can do, actions from the bottom up can destroy everything that is suppose to come from the top down, dispicable to murder children, sick & deserving of lucifer himself

    March 12, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Reply
  18. william

    For all you people out there that know everything about PTSS, the war in that lost country, been there, fought there, lost buddies there, lost his/her live there, lost arms/legs and are qualified in brain surgery, law, religion and everything under the sun a few lines to remember;
    It's the soldier, not the poet who gives us freedom of speech, It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives us freedom of the press, It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us freedom to protest, It's the soldier who serves beneath the flag, who salutes the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives the demonstrator the right to burn the flag.
    As for the rest of you: Drop dead.!

    March 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Reply
    • Harkkonen4

      As for the other post you saw fit to grace me with...it was sarcasm.
      No, I've never been in combat. An older relative of mine, now deceased, fought in the Korean conflict. According to other relatives, he was a kind person before he went; but came back a monster. We didn't see much of him, but I remember he seemed bitterly unhappy.
      My freedom to type something serious or something foolish–which I try to refrain from - was paid for by him and others like him.
      I don't take my freedom lightly.
      And I'm sure you don't, either.
      My friend Beths' son-in-law is being sent over to Afghanistan in two weeks -because of this soldiers' actions, his life could be in more danger.

      March 12, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Reply
    • mipolitic

      hellow bill ,
      are you a soldier bud ?? or are you bringing our attention of the soldiers mission under the command of his superiors including the commander and chief.

      freedom comes from a unified union of many. soldiers ware many different hats from all vocations , you may not understand me but you can be assured the older crowd reading these post do.

      March 12, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
    • Boilerman50

      That's Right!!!! All you Un- Serving People Don't have a clue as to what goes on in the Sand or Forest. Alot of talk. You all think you have the answers and have yet to serve, and believe you all have the answers. This is so deep that we have not began to feel the effects for years to come. STAND BY!!!!!!!! Right on William....

      March 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Reply
      • Boilerman50

        Retired USN

        March 12, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
      • mipolitic

        well steamer i am a vet ,

        March 12, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Feltch

      Oh, look......another military groupie.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:37 am | Reply
  19. CavalryScout

    Not saying that I would have done the same thing, but there are many servicemen that have issues that still need to be dealt with.. From deployments they have been on. One thing that I have learned in my 24 yrs. of service... And 6 deployments... Is that it takes time and a good support channel (family/fellow servicemen) when you see your troops hurt.. Anytime...YOU WANT PAYBACK! When you return home...You wish you were downrange! Being able to help in some way! Either though combat experience/ Operations etc... Having trouble on the home front doesn't help! Personnel that are downrange need to check on your buddies on a daily basis and not be afraid to tell someone. As for myself.. I know that I fortunately did not have problems while being downrange...but some of my troops did. All I can say is... My heart goes out to that service member and the lives he destroyed.(his family- two kids) They Train us for Combat! But don't train us to turn it off! Now I know all of you...that have your own opinions on the matter.. But until you have walked where my fellow brothers in arms...have walked! How can you judge? When YOUR NOT willing to pick up a rifle and defend this country and it's interest....like "WE" are....

    March 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Reply
    • mipolitic

      hey guy this mad man that did what he did , will in no way have a hint of understanding by any real brother in arms. this guy was a terrorist to these women and children , and the help he needed was before the attack , but since it is after the fact he must answer for HIS ACTIONS , and his peers will tell if they seen signs or not before this terror he committed and what ever that leads to will have nothing to do with his actions.

      March 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Reply
      • Txboy

        Mpolitic

        You are what we service members call a sympathizer. It's that reason you will never be able to understand what goes on overseas in a war time situation.

        March 12, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
      • mipolitic

        well tex i am a vet

        March 12, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • dog4dog

      keeping combat ready troops is a tricky business, soldiers operate best when they have no fear of dying, and that only comes after being in the "s h i t" for a prolonged period of time, that same "I don't give a shit" mentality is also very very dangerous, that is when the soldier could just as easily pull one off on his superiors and beocme a real blue falcon or do the unthinkable, soldiers operate best then but their worst can come out too, i can't and would never condone what he did and i don't think his brain injury could be bad enough to get him off since he was deemed "fit for duty" but anyways any soldier given a brain injury diagnosis should not be deployed much less deployed as the infantry

      March 12, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Reply
    • Cindy

      CavalryScout, on this post, I have noticed how people are always so quick to judge someone, they don't personally know this soldier, and they weren't even there standing next to him during the whole ordeal. It is very sad that this happened to this soldier and his wife and his kids. A few months ago, my son had came home from a year long deployment in Afghanistan. You're remarkably right, not even a week later, he was ready to go back out again.....And yes, they lost soldiers.

      March 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Reply
    • broden

      So you have no sympathy to those afghans at all? Not even a slightest attempt to see how this affects their families?

      I understand that you regard them as enemies... But then we should simply admit that this is an all out war, take it seriously already and work to crush the enemy completely, instead of pretending that we "protect" civilians and help them make their lives better, or even understand their culture. War is war.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
      • Jo

        Well why is it that Afghan people can blow up their own without the other Afghan people hating and declaring war on them? An Afghan can wear a suicide vest kill tons of innocent women and children and this is almost a daily occurence and you don't see the other Afghans Protesting this do you? That is because they have been Trained from BIRTH to hate anyone who is not a Muslim. think this is bullshit? we accidently burn a few Quran's and all Afghanistan hates us. Fine that will blow over in time. Now when a US Soldier kills the innocent women and children all of Afghanistan goes nut's.and declares war against the US. But when their suicide bombers do it they don't do or say shit about it. F@#^in HYPOCRITES all of them. Here's a bit of interesting reading for you. Google the truth about the koran, the ultimate truth. It will show you some of the backwards beliefs that some of these people have. And you know what else? We have had Ton's of Afghans join their military biding the time until they can turn their gun's on us, and that my friend is from personal experience.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
      • broden

        Jo, let's not get into theological discussion (you're oversimplifying things somewhat... the Bible can also be interpreted in a harmful way – remember medieval inquisition and burning "witches" by puritans in New England... a 1000 years ago muslim countries we most advanced in science and art, whereas the west was engulfed in Dark Ages, so we need to look at it from a certain perspective).

        I was trying to make 2 points:

        1. Afghans can can what they want as long as they do it in their own country. it;'s really a delicate matter. Imagine someone invaded the US to fight american "bad guys" and accidentally went on to shoot families, then claimed that this is all fine and stuff like that happens. Hypocrites or not, they are at home.

        2. You pretty much admitted that you regard them all as enemies, and mostly because you consider their culture barbaric. Then we need to stop pretending this is some kind of humanitarian operation. This is war against Afghanistan, period. Everybody should start taking it seriously.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
      • Jo

        Broden, Do you not read the news? Afghans are killing people all over the planet! Who do you think is responsible for 9-11? who is using Pakistan to plan and eliminate our troops all over the world? Who is using Pakistan for developing all these 1000,s of IED's? Who is using Pakistan to plan and execute Terrorist acts throughout the world. Your speaking as if you have been in a basement for the past 12 years. Open your eyes! fer cryin out loud. I fought and lost buddies in Afghanistan. Have you been there? Have you served a minute in the military that has lost hundreds of soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan? The only freakin truth that you know is what you read in your morning paper so don't try and preach to me that the Afghany's can do what they want because it is their own country. they are killing americans every day. For instance they just killed 6 innocent Soldiers of ours because one ONE of our soldiers did the same to those Afghani's DID WE PROMISE REVENGE FOR THAT?? F*ck no! because we don't think like that. Muslims believe and it's ingrained into their thought pattern from birth that anyone who is not of the Muslim Faith should be killed because they are INFIDEL'S. What kind of shit is that?? Stay home behind your safe little walls, because I have fought since 17 with the 101st Airborne and 30 years of 5 different wars as a Green Beret with the 5th Special Forces to give you that freakin freedom to read your daily paper behind you safe little walls.

        March 13, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
      • broden

        Jo, can you be a bit more civil? Aren't we trying to have a calm discussion here? You know nothing about me or my background, but you make all sorts of hysterical assumptions and accusations. I'm expressing another opinion here. Besides, you completely missed what I was trying to say.

        I see that you hate those people. Basically, you answered my question already. This is really war, in your eyes, no niceties – your hatred goes beyond taliban or extremists. you hate that culture. They kill you, you kill them, end of story. No need to distinguish between civilians and soldiers at all then.

        March 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
      • broden

        Besides, think of the logic you're using... "our soldier killed 16 of them, and its ok, but they killed 6 of us, and that is horrible!". You must see yourself that this is twisted logic.
        This soldier – he must be thinking of revenge as well... Just like those soldiers at My Lai massacre in 1968 in Vietnam.
        Point, again, is this – this is a real all out war, where nobody is there to protect civilians, for real. Civilians are part of enemy. What you're telling me confirms this view.

        March 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
      • Jo

        It's Ok? Did I say that? No I didn't but you know what when they murdered the 6 soldiers after the incident WE DID NOT SWEAR BLOOD REVENGE ON THEIR PEOPLE!. When someone kills a family in this country the slain family's relative's and neighbor's and In law's do not go and try to kill all of the friend's family in-laws of the killer! WE DON'T DO THAT! They will continue to MURDER our Soldiers until they are not there to kill anymore! and what's more YOU SOUND LIKE YOU CONDONE THIS! I lost 3 Soldiers from an Infantry Unit that was assigned to our SOG Group. They were our security while we trained these Afghan soldiers to take care of their own security so that oneday we could leave knowing it would not revert back to the terrorist training ground that the whole country was at one time befor we got there. The Afghan army has adopted our Green Berets being that we taught them. Yet there are thousands of these Afghan Soldiers that would turn their weapons on their trainers IN A MINUTE if they are not watched carefully. I'm really really tired of you armchair quarterbacks sitting back reading your papers in your safe little home and spouting off on things you know nothing about. You have that freedom. You know why you have that freedom? It's because I have been fighting in 6 diferent war's since 1979 and the soldiers that stood and died alongside me. All so you could read your little paper without fear of someone opening up on your house just because you dissed one of their family members. Afghans do this! It has been ingrained into their noggins since birth. Someone say's shit about your family you go kill them their family their dog and all their neighbors. Until I see you go into that war zone and do what we do, you don't have shit to say! All of your information comes from the new's! You don't see thing's firsthand. And trust me the evening new's doesn't know shit about what really goes on over here. So you sit there and make your stupid assumptions from what you hear on the new's. Why don't you Man Up and Join Up? then after 6 years IN COUNTRY you will have the right to say what's on your mind.

        Master Sergeant Jo, 5th Special Forces (Afghan Army Trainer) Green Beret's Ft Campbell KY.

        March 14, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  20. Rudy

    You idiot right-wingers are clueless!

    March 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      Then if youre so smart and informed maybe you could tell us why our troops are still in Afghanistan.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Reply
  21. Skorpio

    The US should ban the Koran in all military bases due to the following:
    1) Muslim clerics use the Koran as a weapon to incite and instigate the masses to provoke violence, hatred and terrorism attacks against Americans. 2) In comparison to Hitler's book "Mein Kampf", the Koran is more violent, discriminatory and ant-Semitic. 3) The same way Saudi Arabia confiscates bibles because they are perceived as subversives, the US should confiscate Korans. 4) The Koran provokes violence, hatred, resentment, terrorism, vengeance and discrimination. 5) The Koran's content is extremely offensive, and humiliates, denigrates non-Muslims especially Jews.

    March 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Reply
    • mike

      the US should ban the Koran on military bases because its violent? The military? The one fighting a war? Because its violent....

      March 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Reply
    • Newrulz1951

      Skorpio, the same way you want to lump all Muslims into one group, I lump all Christians into their own evil, hateful group:

      The US should ban the Bible in all military bases due to the following:

      1) Christian radicals use the Bible as a weapon to incite and instigate the masses to provoke violence, hatred and terrorism attacks against Americans and non-Americans

      2) In comparison to Hitler's book "Mein Kampf", the Bible is more violent, discriminatory and ant-Semitic.

      3) The same way Saudi Arabia confiscates bibles because they are perceived as subversives, the US should confiscate Korans. Why do Christians always want to imitate the worst traits of “others” and then use the lame excuse that the “others” have done it to them?

      4) The Bible provokes violence, hatred, resentment, terrorism, vengeance and discrimination

      5) The Bible's content is extremely offensive, and humiliates, denigrates non-Christians especially non -believers.

      Those that live in glass houses, Skorpio

      March 12, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Reply
    • Jo

      Here's a site for you (The truth about the Koran (THE ULTIMATE TRUTH) kinda reinforces what you are saying. google it

      March 13, 2012 at 8:24 am | Reply
      • Feltch

        Well of course it must be true.

        IT'S ON THE INTERNET.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  22. goodegyptian

    Can you imagine if the world just ran out of oil today? What would Americans do without oil? 99.9% of them do not have any electric car. They are forced to pay their electricity 10 TIMES more than it is in the real world. Why is it so cheap?? Because of you oil thieves made a deal with Saudi Arabia, they trade food and weapons for oil. What if oil is gone? Americans will stop giving them food and weapons and make them starve without food... They are so disgusting!!!

    March 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      Without oil Egypt and every other country in the Middle east would dry up and die.
      Oil is the only reason any other country gives two bits about the middle east.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Reply
      • goodegyptian

        Egypt is 10,000 years old, they have 85 million people in that country. How do they survive for that long? MOST of those years, they never had electricity, cars, A/C, air vehicles, and oil, etc. but NILE RIVER! This river is the MOST important part of the land because it floods the farming area along the river to raise food crops. They can survive with out oil. They are the smartest, peaceful people in the world.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
      • tbone

        Thank you. I needed a good laugh.
        The very nation that built the pyramids thousands of years ago hasnt accomplished anything close to that feat since.
        Congratulations on that.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
      • goodegyptian

        you American thief stole everything from our pyramids and placed them in your museums all over satanic America for millions of blood dollars! they are not AMERICANS! they are EGYPTIANS!! they belong to them not you! THIEVES!!!

        March 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
      • tbone

        Couple bunker busters on a B-2 and i bet we can give you a clean slate if you want to try and rebuild the pyramids.
        bunch of third world camel jockeys.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
      • tbone

        your beautiful vase looks awesome on my mantle.
        Figured Tut wouldnt miss it.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
      • goodegyptian

        Did you know that your blood comes from the Egyptian people? Grow up and HELP US!!

        March 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
      • TeePeeEl

        We'll help you by arming the Isrealis...you're welcome!

        March 12, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Newrulz1951

      Oil is not just about fuel. Oil is used in virtually everything use.

      March 12, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Reply
    • trollforce

      your comment about your pyramids being robbed, no that wasnt the Americans, that was the British. put blame were blame is deserved and stop blaming the Americans for everything that has happened throughout history and the world.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:59 am | Reply
  23. Bob

    We should not be nation-building.

    March 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Reply
    • LOLWUT

      Don't worry, were not.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Reply
      • Unknown

        then tell why I spent 8 years in Iraq training their armed forces and rebuilding villages.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:43 am |
  24. tbone

    Maybe Obama could delay one of his many many family jaunts on Air Foce 1 long enough to bring our troops home.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  25. Esp20

    The soldier is innocent. He never should have been cleared for active duty. He needs medical attention.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply
    • TeePeeEl

      Uh...no.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Reply
  26. Patty

    I am so angry that our military people are being released back into combat duty after traumatic brain injuries! This should never happen. I'm begining to think we've got idiots masquerading as doctors. Or perhaps they are simply whimps who have sold their souls for a paycheck.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Reply
  27. Skeptic

    Looks like the insanity defense is not available to him. Instead of invoking the 5th, he should have said he shot "aliens from Mars."

    March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  28. Dana

    My question is how many soldiers are to be sacrificed this time by Obama, Hillary, Panetta, and our faery Ambassador before they call it even-steven?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      It only takes a swipe of the pen by Obama and all troops could be headed home tomorrow.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Reply
    • Boogermeister

      Shut up. No one wants to here any more poop come out of your mouth.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        Truth hurts dont it.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
      • GetReal

        Right back at ya, Booger.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • coderjones

      obama didnt start the war
      reagan armed them
      bush got them angry
      bush 2 started another war – for politics and money

      March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        and given the opportunity to stop the war Obama kept it fueled with fresh soldiers.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • LOLWUT

      Dana how many of your brothers unborn children must be sacrificed by him pulling out and shooting them on your face?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Reply
    • LOLWUT

      Dana how many of your brothers unborn children must be sacrificed by him pulling out and shooting them on your face..

      March 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Reply
      • Dana

        You got my attention posting twice, so what's your point, my question was How many of our soldiers will be sacrificed this time to satisfy the blood lust of the Sand Monkeys, that's all. All it took was 6 for burning books not counting the dozens hurt.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
      • GetReal

        Sand monkeys?

        March 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  29. Terry

    Does anyone, anywhere in the world, really believe this man was acting with all oars in the water? Good grief people, he snapped. Bring him home and get out troops out of the toilet bowl.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • goodegyptian

      They cannot leave.. they are thieves and already addicted to their rare resources. They need to be wiped off of Afghanistan.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Reply
      • johnUSAPRIDE

        Goodegyptian... SHUT YOUR MOUTH YOU STUPID GUY OR GIRL.... USA WILL MESS EVERYONE UP. IM EMBARRASSED TO BE IRANIAN AND EVEN BEING A PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE MIDDLE EAST SHALL NOT EXIST. THERE A WASTE OF TIME AND BARBARIC SAVAGES. LET THEM FIGHT IT ALL OUT. I CANT WAIT TILL WORLD WAR 3 STARTS AND EVERYONES GOING TO BE GONE BECAUSE OF STUPID MIDDLE EASTERNERS WHO ARE WORTHLESS. AMERICANS SHOULD COME HOME AND FORGET WORRYING ABOUT BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DONT CARE ABOUT THE LIVES WERE WASTING TO HELP YOU. SO COME HERE AND SUCK IT PUNK.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
      • Higgy

        @goodegyptian – and how's your arab spring going?

        March 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
      • Harumph

        Sure, we leave so you and your taliban buddies can start assassinating and raping women again for getting educated and working for a living; then you and your buddies can strap suicide vests on their children to kill yours and Allah’s enemies, yah? You need an ene ma both physically and spiritually. I say we just nuke the place and move on…

        March 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
      • Jo

        Afghanistans rare Resource? What would that be? Oh you mean the Poppy fields that supply Heroin? Why do you think the US burns those fields in Columbia as well as Afghanistan? Because it is Illegal in our COuntry. I have spent 30 years in SPecial Forces Training Troops of every nationality to defend THEMSELVES and their country. We do not want to take over anyones country what we would like is for these country's to feed and clothe themselves Stop treating Women like sex slaves and stop killing each other and other people all over the world. So Egyptian take your angry rhetoric somewhere else. I have lived these World troubles since I was 17 years old. Do you serve in the Egyptian Military? I have served alongside some of them also. My guess is you have not, and until you do leave your US bashing to the Militant Muslims, because they do it so much better than you. Oh here is a site for you to google,, (The Koran the ultimate truth) Happy reading
        Master Sergeant Jo 5th Special Forces Ft Campbell KY

        March 13, 2012 at 8:45 am |
  30. goodegyptian

    Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Venezuela, China, Russia will one day turn their back against the West and especially Israel. God willing, They are the greatest people. Americans are full of murderers and oil thieves.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      nobody is fooled by your name.
      We all realize your just a 13 year old nerd in moms basement in new jersey.
      Get a life.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Reply
      • goodegyptian

        i have a life. my egyptian girlfriend is giving me head while i type right now.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
      • LOLWUT

        Does your dog like the peanut butter too?

        March 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
      • Jo

        Agreed Tbone and if you read the next post Egyptian posted it confirms what you said.

        Master Sergeant Jo 5th Special Forces Ft Campbell KY

        March 13, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • TeePeeEl

      Let's see...China and Russia matter...and they won't unless the US becomes weak like your country. The other countries like your own mean little...small players now and always will be.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Reply
    • Dana

      Sand Monkey your right it's time to thin the herd with 7 billion sucking to planet dry I think losing 6.5 billion would save the planet for another 500 thousand years Bring It On.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Reply
    • Loki

      We are not perfect. But we at least in our country you can be who you want. In your medivil country you could get stoned for being raped. Where's the humanity in that? Just ask Sadat. Your country in no less savage than ours. If you had our money you'd be worse with your backwards beliefs. Stay out of American affairs if you don't know what your talking about.
      Or the eye in the sky will drop a cruise missile on your figg tree

      March 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  31. tbone

    Any of you Obama sympathizers want to take a crack at explaining why we are still in Afghanistan?
    Care to explain why Obama doesnt just bring home our troops?
    What does he expect to gain at this point?
    Try to put your answer in a form that doesnt circle back around to Bush.
    Bush may have sent us there but at some point Obama has to realize that hes in charge.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Reply
    • LOLWUT

      To bring democracy to Afghanistan...DUH

      March 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        silly me.
        we may be there a while then.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  32. Boogermeister

    I don't care if they turn him over to the Afghans or deal with him on US soil!!! Either way he should have to pay with him LIFE and "yes" it should be televised.....

    March 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  33. Deb

    I am a veteran. I also have severe PTSD. This man did not appear to have dissociated (ie, stepped "out of himself") and acted in a blackout type of state, appeared to know right from wrong as he turned himself in and immediately invoked his right to silence. This does not sound like an incident of "insanity" or "snapping". This sounds like a cold-blooded, planned case of outright murder. Bring him back for a court martial and the death penalty? How unfair and unjust for the Afghan people. Hand him over to him and let true justice be done. He may be a brother but I can't stomach his behavior. Sorry, I can't. There's a line and he crossed it at least 16 times.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
    • Deb

      Oops I meant hand him over to THEM

      March 12, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Reply
    • JBD

      Being a veteran myself and as sad as it is, this man clearly and simply committed murder. He acted alone and without orders and he should face the consequences of his actions on his own. "All" people of the world deserve justice. If we can't "walk the walk" then we'd better not expect to "talk the talk" in this world. We fight for freedom and justice and this man turned his back on all that his uniform represents. He has tarnished (yet again) the names of every man and woman that has ever worn the uniform and will ever wear the uniform again ... this is beyond Qur'an burning (terrible enough) ... beyond peeing on the enemy (again terrible enough) ... this is beyond inexcusable! Turn him over and wish him well! Allow the Afghan government to administer the crimes of their state as they see fit and award their citizens justice just as we'd expect had this been an Afghan soldier gone berserk in the states!

      March 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Reply
    • Patty

      Deb, thank you for your service. I'm also sorry for the PTSD that you suffer through as a result of your service. You have truly sacrificed a lot. Thank you so very much. Traumatic Brain Injury is however a different diagnosis that I am very familiary with and this serviceman's actions before, during and after are not out of line for someone suffering from a TBI. I think the doctors that released him back to combat duty are the ones that should take full responsibility. They made a grave error. Sadly this occurs way too often in our military. This practice needs to stop.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Reply
      • Fla Pete

        Thank you Patty,my son suffers from a TBI,coming from a motorcycle-auto accident.He was in a come for 8months and is starting all over,just like a new born.So don't let these so called medical wizz kids tell me that man's the same,BS,no ones the same after a tramatic brain injury,nobody.He also had headgear on....Let them come walk in my shoes,anytime,anytime....

        March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Anna

      I couldn't have said it any better! Yes, and I'm a veteran too!

      March 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
    • Michele

      I am so glad to see some folks seem to see what needs to be done. This was cold and calculating, it was a crime committed on Afghan soil and he needs to be given to their authorities for trial. I think only this action will stop a crazy escalation of violence, but it is also the right thing to do. When we have someone commit mass murder of our citizens on our soil, we demand they be handed over for justice. We must live by the same rule.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Reply
  34. Peggy

    I think he should be turned over to Afghanistan and let them decide his fate. This has only endangered our troops more and made the situation worse. How can the afghanistan people ever have respect for what we are trying to do there. They can never trust us. He commited a heinous crime.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  35. steve

    yes Ben Laden had post-traumatic stress disorder... true story...

    March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
    • LOLWUT

      Any chance that Benjamin Laden is related to Bin Laden?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  36. shame on you

    You train someone to kill, dont be surprised when thats what they do. Im not saying soldiers shouldnt be trained hard, of course they should. But you cannot train someone to kill without remorse and expect them to be normal ever again. A persons mind is only so strong. Unfortunatly short of world peace I dont have a soltution...

    March 12, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Reply
    • Phyrman1

      @Shame on you, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. Never been in the military, have you? Then please, please keep your uneducated, convenient opinions about us to yourself. Oh, and how do you know we are trained to kill "without remorse"? I think you've been reading too much on the Internet. Try reality for a change. And anyway – what exactly is "normal"? If you think living in the US and worrying mostly about whether or not the coffee shop got your order right is "normal", then you aren't. The soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who occupy the danger spots of the real world are probably a lot closer to "normal" than you and your friends are.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Reply
    • TeePeeEl

      Let's see...how many are 'trained to kill' but don't do this sort of thing. Exactly! This guy is nuts. There are plenty with PTSD that never do this...f'n excuses!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply
      • Esp20

        The guy snapped – what you don't believe in mental illness? No? Too bad!

        March 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Jo

      The Problem is he was not trained well enough! I went in the Military when I was 17 by the time I turned 18, I was an Air Assault Qualified 11 Bravo (Infantry Soldier). I went Special Forces (Green Beret) and since 1979 have trained people all over the world. I have been in combat in Grenada (Operation Urgent Fury) In Panama (Operation Just Cause) Captured General Noriega (Operation Nifty Package), In the First Gulf war (Operation Desert Storm), (Operation Desert Shield), Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) and Not to my Knowledge has any Special Forces Operator gone off the deep end and started murdering children. Again Regular infantry should be trained to deal with ANYTHING War can throw at them. But sadly, they are not. As a Special Forces soldier I can tell you that our Training lasts from one year to two years not 8 weeks like regular Infantry. The stress level of this training is turned up so high that after it you can handle anything that anyone at anytime can throw at you and not come unglued. (If you make it through,), (Most do not). Little More training for our regular infantry please.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:15 am | Reply
  37. William Marlowe

    This was wrong. How is this different from walking into a crowd of civilians and blowing yourself up? How is this different from flying planes into buildings? If you condemn one you must condemn all.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      its not different.
      Its just a huge deal because it was an American.
      Had a local shot and killed 50 American soldiers it wouldnt even be news now.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Reply
      • buchab01

        What kind of statement is that? Of course if someone in the US killed 50 Americans it would be all over the news for weeks. Sometimes I wonder what world some of you posters live in.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
      • tbone

        i said a "local" as in an Afghan resident doing the killing of the soldiers in Afghanistan.
        Our troops die frequently and its news for about a day then its gone.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  38. goodegyptian

    Oh by the way, I am not ignorant. I am sick of Americans going to war with countries MANY TIMES! They haven't won a war since 1945! They lost because losers cannot win. Murderers, thugs, and war criminals are LOSERS! Shame on you Americans for invading their countries just to steal their resources to benefit your wealth! Watch the movie Avatar, you are so much like those humans. Shame on you!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      at least we get out and visit other countries.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
      • goodegyptian

        You got out because you don't want the world to turn against you. Remember your Republican John McCain, he said he wanted Americans to stay in Iraq for 100 years no matter what happens. Why? Just devour their oil for Americans. Americans are disgusting. They don't know how to make a fair trade with Iraqis. They just prefer being there to steal oil to gain more wealth. So disgusting!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
      • tbone

        dont get too cocky.
        We havent been to Egypt in a while....

        March 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
      • TeePeeEl

        HAHAHA! Exactly!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • 11B2V1P

      Dont make me piss on your القرآن الكريم

      March 12, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Reply
    • brian in DC

      We lose not because we can't win, because of the lawyer politicians calling the shots instead of the military officers.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
    • Linda

      How ironic. When was the last time Egypt won a war? Why don't you try to solve your own wretchedly overpopulated, impoverished country's problems instead of just blaming the West for everything that's wrong.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Reply
      • goodegyptian

        Egypt won the war by bringing their Sinai part back. Israelis are thieves, they stole their land. Jews were never in Sinai no where in the world history that mentions it!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • LZ3661

      Well Egypt is going to H E L L lately, so why don' t you worry about your own corruption and murdering.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • Deb

      Just as there are many wonderful Egyptian people who only want peace, so too are there many Americans who feel the same as you do. Please do not let the actions of many of those here and elsewhere poison you against all of us. My best friend is from Egypt and I love her dearly. I am an American. I do not know what my life would be without her, she is a beautiful person. Yes I served in our military when I was a teenager but it was to "run away from home", not to be a warmonger. Please remember not all of us are pigs, although I certainly understand why most of the world sees us that way.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Reply
      • TeePeeEl

        The weak always hate the powerful...oh well. I'd rather be part of the hated in that scenario.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Mike

      Soldiers kill that’s what we are trained to do, been one. The only reason we have not won a war as you say is do to the politicians in the USA. We can win as soon as they let soldiers do what they do best, kill or enemies. No more lawyers checking to see if we have permission to fire no more safe areas hide in a house we blow it up, hide in a mosque and shoot at us we blow it up. You will see a much different America coming to your door soon, we the people will elect new leaders and we will not hold back any more. I will volunteer to fire the first shot. Be very careful what you say, we are coming back and with a new rule book.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Reply
    • Jo

      Well that just Cements what Tbone was saying. Watching Avatar while posting. your a 13 year old posting from your parents computer. Do your parents know that you are skipping school and using their computer?

      March 13, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
  39. dd

    He was wrong, but turning him over to that messed up country for trial would be a very weak move. The children are probably future terrorists anyways. Don't pretend it's a civilized society, I know an afghan here in the US who got the hell out of there during taliban rule, things she told me make killing children sound like a favor to them.

    Get out, a democratic Afghanistan will never happen. We can kill plenty of terrorists from the comforts of US soil

    March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • TeePeeEl

      He should be beaten a few times first, then turned over. We want to punish those who commit crimes against our people no matter where it happens...the Afghan people should have the same privilege.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  40. Voltairine

    "He was diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) but was found fit for duty": I certainly don't want to discriminate against anybody for any diagnosis, but josh darn it, "Traumatic Brain Injury"? O.o So how long was he treated and observed after his diagnosis with TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY before this "qualified infantry sniper" he was "found fir for duty" again and if there was any pressure just to get him back into combat. Doctors? Any Doctors out there like to comment? How long would you take to see if dude was okay? And wouldn't you think that including just how much time was taken is relevant to this story? O.o

    March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • 11B2V1P

      30 days after initial assessment and the Doc "thinks" that he is fit for duty, after returning they are not allowed to handle weapons for 60 Days but can be around them. After 120 days they are able to handle weapons again like a normal soldier would, so from diagnosis to back in the front is 4 months.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
      • HMR

        the DOD standard greatly differs from your assessment and prior to the couple of years or so there were no standards. Its 24 hours off after a first TBI now with more time for each additional TBI up to 30 days and they don't take the weapon unless the solider displays a danger. My hubby received a TBI in Iraq in 2009, only saw sick call, given mortin and back to work 9 hours later, months later his real problems began and it took 2 years for him to get any rehab treatment, just more pills tossed at him. he was denied medical clearance to deploy and his command did a command override and deployed him without a Dr.'s clearance on medication he couldn't even get over there. Once in Afghanistan he got much worse and it took a congressional inquiry to get him home after I got sent his meds because the army wasn't allowed to fill it over there. Now he is medically retired him with 60% disability. Not that I think that makes what this solider did was ok, just that he may have real problems and still been deployed without treatment.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
      • HMR

        oh and my husband was his unit armor and not removed from his position that had him in charge of the weapons room, he didn't ever get his weapon taken either.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • sam

      A TBI is often used to describe a concussion. People recover from concussions at all different speeds. Generally, a week to monitor and run tests is sufficient depending on the type of TBI...

      March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
    • Phyrman1

      TBI is the new term for concussion. If you've ever played contact sports, you've probably had one yourself. It's not the diagnosis of "TBI" that is relevant, but whether or not it was handled properly and whether or not this incident is related to it. Most people with TBI in their lives – both military and civilian – never have an incident such as this.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Reply
      • Jo

        Yup I had a TBI the day after I graduated from Air Assault School with the 101st Airborne. I was sitting at a table in the Barracks having a beer and one of the Guy's Sunday punched me in the head. He broke his hand and we both went to the hospital together. Even though they knew he had punched me (Broken hand ,,Swollen Face) we never told or got into trouble with this incident. I was off for 2 days and back to regular training even tho I had a concussion.

        March 13, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Voltairine

      If it was, "just", a concussion (like football), then I think the author of this article should've said concussion (media sensationalizing). If it was more than that, which, in my opinion is implied by the authors' use of the term "traumatic brain injury", then my questions remain (doctors putting him back in the line).

      March 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Reply
    • Voltairine

      This leaves the question open. Was it a "mild TBI, commonly called concussion" (see Wikipedia), or was his brain subjected to a much more severe version? It bothers me that we can't trust our news media, which should've been more specific about how bad this injury was when posting this article.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Reply
  41. Former Soldier

    Where ever it happened, he did it in United States uniform. Weather he is hung for murder or declared mentally unfit for trial and the people who certified him for duty are charged with the crime it needs to be done by the US military.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply
    • TeePeeEl

      Nope – it was a crime against those Afghan civilians. If you do it your way, then the US shouldn't be able to pursue those foreigners who commit crimes against US citizens...can't say it's good for us but not anyone else.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  42. Lazarus

    TBI ?? really... another fabrication from Obama.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  43. tbone

    When you cut 40,000 troops to pay for Obamacare you kind have to figure that the Army isnt going to let anyone who can hold a gun out of the military.
    This wouldnt have happened if Obama would have yanked everyone home like he promised day after day on the campaign trail 3 years ago.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
    • Pedro

      Sorry bro - two separate budget lines that must be approved by a republican controlled congress ... #FAIL

      March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        Democrats controlled everything for the first two years of Obamas presidency.
        EPIC FAIL!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
      • LZ3661

        Republicans only control the House, not the Senate AND Democrats controlled both for the 1st two years of Obama's presidency. Makes you wonder why none of that 'hope and change' occurred when they were running things (into the ground).

        March 12, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
      • TeePeeEl

        So, all of a sudden the right wants the troops out but criticized heavy during the campaign 4 yrs ago and since about Obama saying he wanted them out. Hmmm...hypocrits...there really isn't much difference between the left and right.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Pedro

      And yet they didn't cut budget... you are highly misinformed. I'll pass the #FAIL ball back to you.

      Don't make sh** up

      March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
      • brian in DC

        There hasn't been a budget passed during the Obama administration to date and Reid indicated that the Senate wouldn't even bother preparing one. What do Dems have against preparing budgets?

        March 12, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
      • LZ3661

        Learn your facts, Pedro or get back over the border. Republicans do not control both houses of Congress only the House of Representatives. So how is this all their fault with Dems in control??

        March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
      • Pedro

        Fair point Brian - but that's hardly a Dem issue alone... that's a politician issue, and our entire congress failed. Obama proposed a budget, and the Congress rejected it, which is perfectly fine. Unfortunately, they weren't able to resolve differences and instead used the budget as a mechanism for political grandstanding instead of fixing the problem.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
      • Pedro

        I didn't say it was the Republicans fault - you are misreading. I simply am pointing out to our friend's original statement that Obama was somehow at fault for this incident is inaccurate, and quite frankly, a troll comment.

        Both parties are responsible for the unresolved budget issues; and even more relevant here is that not a single politician forced this guy to commit this heinous act.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • m

      The "EPIC FAIL" as you put it was going into Iraq and trying to fight on two fronts. The needed resources were all put into Iraq simply to control oil and grant Haliburton numerous "no bid" contracts. Had the focus stayed on Afghanistan where it should have been troops would have been on short deployments, more rotations home and less battle fatigue. The blame is not on Obama for not getting out, it is on Bush for getting us in.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        So its Bush's fault that we are still there?

        Why are we still there?

        Did i miss the part where all Obama has to do is say come home?

        March 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
      • Bob

        It wasn't Bush who made Iraqi oil so tasty! It's Iraq's fault. EPIC PWNAGE FAIL FTW LOL BRB

        March 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  44. Harkkonen4

    Given the fact that he had a brain injury and that his wife was mistreating him at home; he should not have been in active duty. Other mainstream media is reporting that his wife was causing him many problems, and that there were domestic issues.
    All of his problems are now seen in hindsight ; but it's a sad day for our armed forces who are not participating any atrocities, and it's a terrible day as well for the natives of Afghanistan.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  45. Dick Santorum

    So basically you're going to let this guy get away saying he wasn't responsible for his actions. Just like every other murderous marine has got away in the past. http://news.yahoo.com/marine-serve-no-time-iraqi-killings-case-224428172.html

    March 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • 11B2V1P

      You bet, Ill pay his bond!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply
      • CavalryScout

        Got to agree with you brother... I up to pay his bond.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • pete

      F-you Dick. You little worm, referring to all marines as murderers now are we. Where is your outcry of the murders committed by the Taliban every minute of the day. There still in comparison have only been a few isolated incidents of these unexcusable acts. This soldier shouldn't have been there. Get your facts straight numnuts.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        wimpy little peckers like Dick will never know the sacrifice the US Military has to deal with.
        Just so they can sit at home and smoke weed.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        I dont think he was calling every marine murderous, I think he meant that every murderous act that happened to be committed by a marine in the past.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
      • tbone

        "Just like every other murderous marine has got away in the past"
        Yep, i think he was.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  46. Pedro

    This kind of smells of propaganda and a possible frivolous lawsuit... I really don't care whether he had a brain injury or not - if they determine he was able to determine right from wrong, and there is sufficient evidence to determine he was the shooter, I say lock him up and throw away the key

    March 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • Harkkonen4

      Yes, they should lock him up and throw away the key...the frightening thing is that he could get a few years of psych treatment and be out on the streets.
      Maybe they could set him loose in Afghanistan and let THEM handle his jail time, and feed and shelter him ,until his sentence runs out.
      just saying.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Reply
      • william

        Yep, you made it clear: you have shit for brains, never been in a combat situation and are a loser. Thanks for your opinion.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • Dana

      He wont be going anywhere ever. Pedro are your papers in order? If not I suggest you vamoose back across the border, your sister awaits.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
      • Boogermeister

        Worthless slu*t with your racism.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
      • LOLWUT

        Dana..your brother awaits you in the back of your "paws" "pick em' up truck" where he is going to impregnate you......................again.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
      • Pedro

        Slow clap for Dana ... racism is what the feeble-minded resort to when they don't have a coherent argument

        March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  47. Common

    I love my fellow Americans! A U.S. soldier kills civilians in a war-zone and we nay say America. Although there has been many Afghan soldiers turn their weapons on countless innocent American soldiers and NATO troops. Believe it or not many Afghans join the military with the intent to turn their weapons on soldiers. This guy had been in Iraq and Afghanistan for multiple tours of duty. What he did wasn't right, but it doesn't justify Americans trashing our government and our duty overseas.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Common

      His actions were terrible and he should be punished, but not in Afghanistan or by Afghans. They have no human rights, and he is an American. At the end of the day, we need to begin to look out for our own. Not throw our own under a bus.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Reply
    • william

      He has been true enough, leave him be. He will never be the same, punishment by whom? The guy had a brake down. Sad for the people killed but that's war. They don't protest when one of theirs shoots a few western soldiers.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Reply
      • Jo

        Agreed. They can kill hundreds of our's and we see it in the new's for maybe a day. Afghan suicide bombers kill hundreds of ours and we don't cry "HOLY WAR!" They can kill their own people and we never see the Afghans get pissed over that. A suicide bomber kills 50 Afghan innocent Women and CHILDREN and we see it on the news for one day and they never swear revenge for that! All of a sudden one of our's kills and It's an all out revenge! All the people of Afghanistan are swearing revenge on something Afghan people do everyday,, to their OWN people! Frickin Hypocrites everyone of them.

        March 13, 2012 at 9:40 am |
  48. stujordan

    The spin doctors deserve a raise :)

    March 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  49. anchorite

    If he was found fit for duty, he can't use the insanity brain damage defense. You can't decide to give them a gun and once they use it on innocent people say it's not their fault because they shouldn't have been given a gun in the first place. His psychiatric eval has already taken place, he came back fine. If we are going to let him off the hook because of that, his commanding officer needs to be punished in his place.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  50. Robert

    Since he murdered 16 people (yes, this is murder, and no less wrong than murdering 16 people inside the US), will his State penitentiary now "finish off" his traumatic brain injury?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  51. Boogermeister

    Mentally Fit or mentally wacko, his as* should be fried and left for vultures to pick at! Killed defenseless children... Anyone who can gather enough cerebral matter to invoke refusal to speak shortly after having massacred with provocation .... Is guilty!!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Boogermeister

      Without ....correction.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • william

      Sure, I can see you have been there, fought a few tours, been under fire and all that. An expert right? Bet you never heard a bullet fly around your head. Dickhead.

      March 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Reply
  52. Erik60505

    So the blame game points at?????? Hope he did not mentally illy go P P on the corpses.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Reply
  53. Joe Six Pack

    "He was diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) but was found fit for duty."
    WTF, Army?! This is why vets come back and start stabbing people.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • fidgetwidget

      Anyone who has worked in military medicine understands how a TBI patient could be found fit for duty. That doesn't mean the assessment was accurate.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
      • William Marlowe

        What? Does not mean the assessment was accurate. I am not which disturbs me more, your statement or that he was diagnosed with TBI and deemed fit for duty.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Penny

      Doesn't matter if this guy was found fit for duty. Someone's head has to roll for this one – and I don't mean any pun or the sniper's though he needs to bear responsibility for his actions. It's the doctor(s) that made this diagnosis that really need a "dressing down." There is no reason this guy should have been on duty – period. TBI can result in depression, mania, bi polar and hyper-aggression among other things. This guy was a ticking time bomb.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • bill

      i lol'd

      March 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • WO

      It's not the Army. The majority of the mental health doctors that military personnel see are civilian contractors..

      March 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Reply
  54. goodegyptian

    Americans are filthy people like this sick sniper. They love killings. God does not allow people to kill each other. Americans are bad people because of him. He represents them. He showed the whole world that killing people is fun. YOU ARE YOU! WE ARE YOU!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • fidgetwidget

      No more or less than egyptians....

      March 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Reply
      • ecguy

        oh the irony..

        March 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Erik60505

      Not everyone. Some want peace. Some want people to be free and have a say in government and equality amoung the worlds members and no more wars and no more crazy religions controlling people like government, and government being run by the people, not telling the people how it is going to be run or not say anything at all. Join me.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Erik60505

      Not everyone my friend. Some want peace. Some want people to be free and have a say in government and equality amoung the worlds members and no more wars and no more crazy religions controlling people like government, and government being run by the people, not telling the people how it is going to be run or not say anything at all. Join me.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • jay

      you just sound ignorant

      March 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • Brandon

      "God does not allow people to kill each other"? I don't know what rock you have been living under but it seems that God has been pretty hands off when it comes to stopping humans killing each other.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • Dan Halen

      Don't ya have a virginity test to go do or something?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • dmidify

      The Middle East has been at tribal warfare for thousands of years, killing each other and practicing the same harsh military tactics you express on our people as well. Be it, kidnappings, be-headings, or attacking civilian populations to inflict physical and mental scars of hate and fear. Sure, what this guy did is terribly wrong and he should be executed after a swift trial. But, to immediately generalize all Americans as blood thirsty war mongers is not only ignorant, but that sort of thinking is exactly what enables the hatred your own people have held for anyone outside the religion of Islam and how a lot of your people treat themselves. The fact is, there are good people, there are bad people, boxing those people up into a box such as "Christian, Muslim, American, Persian, Jew, Black, Brown" only creates a scapegoat to subject your misplaced anger on. The real problem is lack of education, lack of resources to create a quality standard of living in the middle of the damn desert and a culture rancid with thousands of years of war and hate.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • 11B2V1P

      Just like a dirty stinky Egyptian to say something like that...I keel you!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
      • Charlie

        Bwaaaahahahahahaha

        March 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • goodegyptian

      I am not ignorant. I am sick of Americans going to war with countries MANY TIMES! They haven't won a war since 1945! They lost because losers cannot win. Murderers, thugs, and war criminals are LOSERS! Shame on you Americans for invading their countries just to steal their resources to benefit your wealth! Watch the movie Avatar, you are so much like those humans. Shame on you!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
      • james dude

        sorry for your wrong assessment regarding americans. At this moment we are the more civilized people in this planet. We may be committed mistake, including this one and others, but we are so manly able to punish our own when they commit such a heinous crime. I will suggest you to tone down your hatred. God is merciful and forgiving, which we americans we believe in that. By the way I am a naturalized american.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Sam I am

      Iran. Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, all need to be nuked

      March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        But first, we'll start with your trailer park.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Harumph

      Goodegyptian – Those that live or lived in the M.E. are twisted, ignorant and barbaric as Laura Logan found out. Why did the sniper go nuts? I don’t know yet I find it odd these creepy M.E. people are braying about children since poor parents will break their legs and force them to beg and any woman can be stoned to death for any lie told by any guy. All we have to do is look at the virginity Dr. performing rape on all those egyptian gal protestors to get a clue. Woman and children are treated like abandoned rabid dogs in any of those countries, so who cares if a few get shot? I would like to know why he did it since that is not normal behavior for our troops. It is a normal activity for M.E. troops though, just pick any muslim country and study their past behavior.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  55. Pharos

    This what I was saying before. The soldier is innocent until proven guilty. If he was insane at the time of the shooting, then he needs to be placed in a locked hospital so he can get the help he needs.
    He may still be found fit to stand trial. We should wait and see.
    In the mean time, I find it offensive that many of the people in the country he serves think the solution is to turn him over to a foreign lynch mob.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • anchorite

      So we can kill Afghanis suspected of being terrorists without trial but when it comes to our own crimes, we deserve due process?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • alan

      problem with that is that he will be locked up for life instead of dying for his crimes which he had committed. People don't want to see this guy live, they want to see justice.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Dana

      It has already been stated we will not leave him to answer up in their monkey justice court.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        Whatever you say, darlin'. No 'monkey' courts here. Just ask O.J. and Casey.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • jto

      He had no idea what he was doing .... but immediately invokes the 5th after turning himself in. Sounds like he was pretty lucid to me.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
    • flyfysher

      So you find it offensive that many of the people in the country he serves think the solution is to turn him over to a foreign lynch mob.

      I urge you think things through before you take such an unfounded and haughty stance because it is apparent to me you have not really done so.

      1. Afghanistan is a sovereign nation. It is their country and right to judge the actions of the alleged perpetrator according to their laws and customs. In fact, the United States has been assisting the Afghans on establishing a stable independent government. You cannot have it both ways. Either Afghanistan is a sovereign nation or they are a puppet government beholden to the United States. As an American, I would be highly offended to think our goal is the latter alternative.

      2. The alleged perpetrator's crime was not pursuant to some military objective so far as I can tell. If that is the case, then what the alleged perpetrator did is a local criminal act which would fall under local (Afghan) jurisdiction.

      3. It may be that the alleged perpetrator violated military law but that does not necessarily deprive the Afghans of their right to try him for his having alleged culpability in murdering 16 people.

      4. Serving or prior service in the military does not absolve or mitigate one's crimes. Remember, in America people are supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. Creating a double standard means you eschew that principle. That is unpatriotic.

      So at least try to analyze the situation instead of letting your unrestrained emotions lead you to blind patriotism. Being that misguided is highly offensive and in my view, downright un-American.

      "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." – James Madison

      March 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  56. WeDontWinWars

    Has this war ever really done anything good? Come on, they thought OBL was in a cave for almost a decade...nice "intelligence."

    We don't win wars anymore...this is about spending money and trying to make a better weapon at the taxpayers expense, while those behind the war effort try to strike fear in the citizens of the US (that if we don't fight our country will be attacked again)...nonsense.

    We have killed 66,000+ civilians in Iraq alone according to our own wiki-leaked estimates...nearly 3 x the number of "enemy" kills in the same perioud of time. That is like 12 9/11 attacks, but all in Iraq against innocent people.

    How would US citizens feel if the Chinese occupied our country like we do in other nations? How at ease would you feel if you were walking down the street with Chinese soldiers policing your city? And we really think we have the right to do the same thing in other countries?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • sielingfan

      I don't think it's fair to claim those numbers when a sizeable portion of the civilian deaths "Caused by the US Occupation" are actually "Caused by suicide bombers."

      March 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Reply
      • Dick Santorum

        And those suicide bombers didn't start killing one fine day.. Its their brutal way of fighting the invasion(or operation freedom or other fancy names people give it).. You hang Saddam saying he killed 3000 people and that you want to save the Iraqi people from a Tyrant and yet you kill several hundred times more than Saddam ever did. SHAME

        March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • tbone

      The key phrase there is "We dont win wars anymore"
      Couldnt be more true.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • Joe Six Pack

      The war isn't meant to be won. It's meant to go on forever. The banks and military industrial complex are making lots of money, they don't want it to ever stop.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • Dick Santorum

      Glad someone here actually has brains..

      March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  57. tbone

    The first troops should have been headed home while Osamas body was still sinking to the bottom.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  58. net&yayou!

    CNN is harder to manage than your average ARAB excrement!!!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  59. net&yayou!

    does CNN have to have an excuse that rests every Afghans mind and justifies their being offed by US soldiers? This is beyond the scope of sanity. All is fair in LOVE AND WAR! Rembember u tools at CNN???

    March 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Reply
  60. Cami

    Let the Afghan people take care of him....So sad for the people.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  61. JesterJames

    Nothing to see here... just laying groundwork for insanity defense....

    March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  62. sielingfan

    And now while we wait for trial, Afghanistan will burn itself to the ground, killing a few dozen more innocent civilians - but they'll only demand justice on this guy. Forget that. Afghanis lost my respect a few hundred suicide bombings ago, most recently when they killed a bunch of people over our garbage disposal habits, and before that when an English teacher unloaded a machine gun in the American Embassy. I no longer care what they demand, especially their laughably distorted idea of "Justice."

    By the mere act of signing up to join the military, staying in, coming off a traumatic brain injury, etc.... he's done more than the average American citizen for his country. That doesn't buy him much, considering, but in my book that DOES buy him a fair trial. Hopefully he's got something to say for himself, because if not, I'm expecting a firing squad.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  63. Goutham

    The scum just dried up any goodwill remaining in Afghanistan for us (Goodwill earned through Blood,sweat & Money) He should get the death penalty. If he is found mentally unstable then it must be investigated how he was found fit for duty and some heads should roll.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  64. occupyourbodies

    CBS has raised a serious question: "Abdul Rahum Ayubi, who is a lawmaker from Kandahar province where the tragedy occurred, said Monday it seemed impossible for one soldier to cover the ground between the houses that were attacked — over a mile (2 kilometers) — and also burn the dead bodies.."

    It doesn't sound plausible that one guy could have done all of this....and carried gas cans?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  65. JDOGG81

    i didnt want o say it. but after much soul searching. The only way to be fair about this is to turn him over to the afgans for trial.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Wowza

      Dude, he had BRAIN DAMAGE. He wasn't acting in character. Without knowing the facts, for you to say you just want to hand over one of our soldiers makes you look like a traitor. Either that or you just don't think things through very much.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        If this guy was a civilian and did this on American soil, you'd be first in line howling for his death.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Adam

      ....and if they told you that Wolverines make good house pets, would you believe them?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • TI

      agree. happened to their civilians in their land. he has their blood on his hands and should be turned over for their own judgement.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • fidgetwidget

      You didn't want to but you did anyway.....sad for you...

      March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • SFC Art

      @ JDOGG: Wowza's right. Sounds like you don't know much about Traumatic Brain Injury. NPR had a number of pieces about it lately, as it's the signature injury of both wars. The consensus is that TBI is the most horrific injury one can sustain, because you lose your identity. If you lose an arm, you are still you. A leg . . . you are still you. TBI . . . your former identity can be obliterated. Numerous testimonies of family members of Vets suffering from TBI . . . "We don't know him/her anymore . . . He's like a stranger." Yes, what he's done is horrible . . . but what's been done to him is pretty horrible as well.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        He enlisted of his own free will. He willingly allowed himself to be molded and used. Now he'll be discarded......like trash.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • LastLiberalRepublican

      I believe that there is a "status of forces" agreement that precludes that. Undoubtedly, if there is ever a court martial (assuming he passed muster by a psychiatric eval), it would occur outside of Afghanistan. Tragedy all around.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  66. Matt

    It's time to bring them back. All of them.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      agreed.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • occupyourbodies

      Absolutely – we're already years behind when we should have left. Bring everyone home NOW!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  67. Truth

    Doesn't matter , I'd say give him to the Afghan Court and let them handle the situation , it's not fair for us to take him back for what he did 9 innocent children lives and such .

    March 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Reply
  68. bob

    nice try dave, the article clearly states that he was fit for duty, and he immediately invoked his rights not to speak. don't try and chalk it up to being "crazy" soldier, that's not gonna fly. and the article doesn't try to infer that either,

    March 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Reply
  69. saratee

    yeay yeay!! whitewash the murder all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this guy is a cold hearted terrorist who needs to be fed to the dogs

    March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Reply
    • Lone

      Sounds like you're out for blood more than he was, and without the injury or the environment.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  70. oreo

    Why are we still over there????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      just google Afghanistan rare minerals.
      Thats why we are still over there.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        And that's just a relatively recent bonanza.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • NATO

      Puppet state next to China?

      March 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • Joe Six Pack

      gas pipeline

      March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  71. Lone

    Hey now, lets not humanize this faceless animal. That doesn't power the hate as well.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  72. Wowza

    Something about the word "traumatic" would lead me to believe you aren't fit to be carrying a guy anymore. Our gov't never ceases to amaze. I'm headed to Canada...

    March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
    • Wowza

      Gun...sorry

      March 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
    • RealityCheck

      Before you pack your bags, you might want to just look up "Traumatic Brain Injury". You might learn something.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
      • Wowza

        Not quite sure what you want me to look up. Listen, the guy was f'd up in the head and we put him back out on the line...with a gun. The way we treat our veterans and active is deplorable. Now this young man is going to be f'd the rest of his life. Had he recieved the proper treatment and care, this would have never happened.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  73. Don't mess with the USA

    Simply awful.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  74. Manchel Levonowitz

    What a scumbag.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  75. mick

    why are the y still there?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      just google Afghanistan rare minerals.
      Thats why we are still over there.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • RealityCheck

        Googling "9/11 conspiracy" doesn't make it true.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
      • tbone

        you asked. I gave you a reason.
        If thats not it, maybe you would care to explain why we are still there when every single person in that entire region wants us gone.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
      • 11B2V1P

        Largest Lithium deposit in the world.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
      • tbone

        exactly.
        And it just so happens to be right where the Taliban are Headquartered.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
      • Joe Six Pack

        Big oil has been wanting to build a pipeline in AFG for 10 years or so. Our negotiations with the Taliban broke down, so we needed a reason to force a regime change. Go0gle Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  76. IJ

    Turn him over to the Afghan officials let them deal with this nut, maybe it can ease things a bit in this awful tragedy.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Reply
  77. Walker

    He committed the crime in Afghanistan. Let them have him to put before their courts. It's the only fair way to do it.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      Hes a US citizen.
      And a mentally disturbed one at that.
      The people who should be brought up on charges are the ones who cleared him to return to that god foresaken hole.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • Walker

        We didn't allow the Afghans to try the combatants we captured. We threw them in prison, some who will never get out. Ah! But I forget! Americans are the GOOD guys! They get to be treated differently!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  78. art

    Disgusting, despicable and cowardly act! And we are supposed to be selling peace and democracy in the region.
    Lack of empathy is the root of all evil.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Reply
    • Don'tstunderand

      Not making excuses for him and I agree with you, but why in the h*ll would they deploy him after a brain injury? That is insane in itself!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Reply
    • RealityCheck

      Lots of people get brain injuries and don't go on the rampage.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • Wowza

        Really? You know them by name?

        March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
      • Lone

        Because all brain injury is the same and they're all facing combat stress.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • william

      He proclaimed, sitting behind his computer on his fat ass drinking a soda and enjoying his freedom and luxury. Never been in combat, never heard a bullet fly, never fired a gun in anger /duty/fear/war. Sure, just another home warrior. Fuck off idiot, the guy snapped, he lost it. The other side kills thousands, no problem, western soldiers die for this lost country, the west should have nuked it, not send people there to bring " freedom and democracy ", THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT !!

      March 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Reply
      • JoeD

        you don't sound like a veteran, only like drunk fool... put down the glass and hit you bed.

        March 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
  79. Jimmie The Geek

    He'll walk.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      of course he will.
      Just like Bradley Manning.
      This is Obamas kinder gentler military.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Reply
      • Feltch

        Manning hasn't 'walked' anywhere. He will be made an example of.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • RealityCheck

      This guy's got a better chance of wallking than Manning, and heither's chances are good.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  80. Don'tstunderand

    If he had a traumatic brain injury, why would they allow him to continue with a deployment?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • circustrainer

      because he still had a few rocks left in that rock head of his

      March 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • Feltch

      Because he was a warm body who could pull a trigger and serve a purpose.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
  81. joe

    WHAT?!?!?!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  82. mhmsure

    Mental hospital, Afghanistan – what's the diff?

    March 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • 11B2V1P

      Ammunition

      March 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
      • Adam

        haha. You've got my vote for best response on a cnn message board ever!

        March 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
      • Shojin

        comment response epic win

        March 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • circustrainer

      the dosage of opium

      March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  83. tbone

    Traumatic brain injury and hes returned to Afghanistan.
    Our troops are fed up over there.
    They have ZERO reason for being there at this point except to drive the Taliban out of the areas that Obama wants to mine for rare minerals.

    March 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • RealityCheck

      Rare mineral mining. Yea that's it!

      March 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • Walker

      I believe you're badly misinformed. Obama didn't put them there. He's been trying to get them out, and the GOP keeps saying they need to stay. Had we elected McCain in 2008, we'd already be in yet another war.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        reality check there fella.
        Obama doubled the size of the force over there as soon as he left Iraq.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • john

      sorry t-bone but the obama blame game is ridiculous and needs to stop...bush started this crap and left a complete mess to the one guy who is capable of fixing it. just because you are a right-wing conservative doesn't mean obama is the devil...the president uses information on the ground and in washington to make decisions, just like the republicans. nobody wants our troops in the middle east, and if you think obama is the scapegoat, think again

      March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        at what point does it become Obamas watch?
        Bush took us there and Obama promised to bring the troops home.
        You gave Obama all the credit for Osama being captured, at some point you have to give him the credit for our troops still being over there.
        This is about the man in charge.
        Only Obama can say pack it up boys time to go home.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • HenryB

      tbone, are you out of your mind? You have clearly become an out of control cynic. Give it a rest. Mining for rare minerals? Let's focus on this sad sad story instead.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
      • tbone

        The question was why are we still there.

        March 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  84. Dave

    In other words, he belonged in a mental hospital. Not Afghanistan!

    March 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Reply
    • Melissa

      Too many troops have suffered TBIs and released from the military or let back into service without proper treatments. It's very sad and very dangerous from themselves and others. Our military needs to get better at taking care of those who have been injured in duty.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • Patty

        Thank you for your post, Melissa. I agree with you that this has become a horrific practice within our nation's military – releasing people who have suffered from TBI back into combat service and not providing adequate treatment. This practice needs to stop.

        March 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
      • Fred Barnes

        Melissa,

        Medcom has been playing this game for a decade. Don't diagnose, don't track, don't treat. CNN is trying to make this sound like it is a case of PTSD. It may very well have been a soldier with a TBI that went untreated, untracked and then stood up because someone in Afghanistan needed a scout sniper.

        How was this NCO treated? What drugs was he taking? What was his psych eval on entry? exit? Was ANAM used to evaluate his injury or the famous 3 and 4 questionairres?

        Where is the DVBIC and DCoE? Another epic fail from DoD. Let's see Force Protection answer.

        March 12, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
  85. MoHOMOd

    MoHOMOd loves you with his leather rod.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:26 am | Reply
  86. Jo

    Another Crazy Muslim. We all know you have had this kill everyone that is not Muslim ingrained into your head since you were born. Keep threatening to kill people these posts are followed closely by our Homeland Security. That shows that you do not have the common sense to make statements on here.

    March 13, 2012 at 8:05 am | Reply
  87. Fla Pete

    @Hamid, what about those 6 innocent soldiers killed at the hands of Afghans taught by Americans to help your country.I'd say nuke your country and let your supreme Allah sort them out,they don't know when somebodies trying to help them.Let these ignorant bas....go back to struggling in their own filth,like they were before we got there,you can take that to the bank ,HAMID ....You'd never win here,too many people with too many guns,I included.....

    March 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  88. Flackbash

    Haha, ya'll got trolled.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:44 pm | Reply
  89. Ma Mangoblossom

    You don't ROCK! You are making it worser than it allready is,
    PEACE Man:)

    March 13, 2012 at 7:04 am | Reply
  90. Feltch

    Excellent idea, Cock. Maybe one of your fatherless sisters can greet this hero with open legs, and together they can make more cannon fodder.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:17 am | Reply
  91. Feltch

    Homoland 'Security' is a farce.

    I hear they're getting a new uniform – brown shirts.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
  92. Jo

    Glorious Afghanistan? I have been here for six very long years training your military to take over security of your Glorious Country. so it doesn't revert back to the whole country being a terrorist training ground all over again. You people kill everyone. if someone say's your sister is ugly your family your friends your neighbors swear out a blood feud on them and kill them their neighbors their dog and all of their relative's. so much for your peaceful religion. Been Here 6 years and Pretty much all of this country is mud hut's and crappy weather. Glorious my ass!

    March 14, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply

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