Defense: Military failed to heed warnings Manning was unstable
Suspected WikiLeaks leaker Bradley Manning faces a hearing December 16 at Fort Meade, Maryland.
December 8th, 2011
10:17 AM ET

Defense: Military failed to heed warnings Manning was unstable

Before suspected WikiLeaks leaker Bradley Manning was arrested in May 2010, numerous military personnel considered the young soldier to be mentally unstable, immature and potentially dangerous to himself and others, a new court filing by his defense team says. Read the entire document

The 23-year-old Army intelligence specialist exhibited behavior that should have prompted his superiors to take his weapon and block his access to classified material, according to a 20-page witness list filed last week in the case and published on a blog written by Manning's attorney, David Coombs.

Warnings and concerns about Manning's mental health were either ignored or were not passed up through the chain of command, the document says.

The Army private is due at Fort Meade, Maryland, on December 16 for an Article 32 hearing, a military version of a civilian arraignment. But unlike a civilian hearing, it often includes a considerable amount of testimony and presentation of evidence. The military has said the hearing is expected to last five days. A military officer will decide if Manning will face a court-martial.

Manning faces violations of military law, including aiding the enemy, stealing records, transmitting defense information and fraud. If convicted, he could go to prison for life. He has been held for more than 18 months in military custody and is currently behind bars at Fort Leavenworth prison in Kansas.

Witnesses' names are redacted in the document, but their roles related to Manning are described. They include computer forensic experts, psychologists who've examined Manning, FBI agents, military officers and soldiers. Adrian Lamo, the California hacker who allegedly chatted online with Manning, is expected to testify. The chats were first published in Wired, and can be read here.

The defense would also like to call President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify, the Coombs filing indicates. Presumably Obama is being named due to comments he has made regarding Manning's guilt, according to Politico. The defense may be motivated to call Clinton to testify about possible harm the leaking of classified material might have caused.

It's unclear whether all the witnesses Coombs describes will appear in person at the upcoming hearing. The defense attorney writes that he has been "unable to speak" with several witnesses due to "lack of cooperation."

A U.S. Army spokesman said he would not comment on the statements by Manning's attorney.  "It would be inappropriate to comment at this point with proceedings under way," said Christopher Grey, public affairs officer for the Army Criminal Investigation Command.

The witness list document is the first inside glimpse into what could be Manning's two-prong defense strategy. First, it says that Manning's superiors and fellow soldiers knew for a long time he was a loose cannon, but that they failed to act on their concerns by either helping Manning or removing him. Second, the document describes witnesses saying that it was common for soldiers to install and store unauthorized media such as music, movies and games alongside sensitive, classified intelligence in the system. Soldiers didn't think it was wrong to do so; it was just how things were done, the document suggests.

According to the chat log that Wired published, Manning allegedly pretended to be singing along to a Lady Gaga song when he was reportedly downloading reams of secret intelligence about the Afghan and Iraq wars, and a quarter-million U.S. diplomatic cables.

In 2010 and early 2011, WikiLeaks caused an international sensation by publishing that classified information. U.S. officials called the disclosure a threat not only to national security but also to informants named in some of the leaked intelligence. It's still unknown if anyone was harmed as a result of WikiLeaks publishing secret information.

Here are some highlights from the witness list:

  • A few months before Manning was arrested, Army command referred the soldier to a psychologist for evaluation. According to the psychologist, "Manning appeared to be under considerable stress" and "did not appear to have any social support system and seemed hypersensitive to any criticism" and "was potentially a danger to himself and others." The psychologist recommended that Manning's weapon be taken away and that he be moved from the night shift to the day shift to work "low-intensity" duty. The psychologist "does not remember why" he didn't check a box recommending Manning have his security clearance revoked, according to the defense witness list document. Had the psychologist done so, the clearance would have indeed been revoked, Coombs writes.
  • Several witnesses described Manning as unstable. At one point, Manning curled up in the fetal position in a meeting room, rocking back and forth.
  • Other witnesses are expected to testify that Manning was teased for being gay and was upset about the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The policy was lifted this year.
  • A witness described as an Army supervisor is set to testify at the hearing that in December 2009 Manning erupted in an outburst, flipped a table over and charged toward a weapons rack. Manning had to be restrained, according to the document.
  • When Manning's name first hit the international press shortly after his arrest in spring 2010, media reports (including CNN reporting) said Manning was believed to have been involved in an altercation in Iraq, possibly a person with his unit, and consequently demoted. The defense's filing references Manning assaulting someone (though the name of the other person is redacted). As a result of this assault, Manning was sent to work in a supply room, according to a witness in Coombs' filing.
  • A witness says he filled out a form to suspend Manning's security clearance and was going to go to "Behavioral Health to discuss Manning's condition." The witness told officials that "Manning's troubles were deeper than the Army could fix and that he should be separated."
  • Much of the witness list document details the computer system where soldiers "would have a huge amount of unauthorized material" (in one instance 500 gigabytes) stored alongside sensitive intelligence. An Army staffer is set to testify that he complained often about that material but that his complaints were ignored. When he felt like it, he would frequently check the system and delete entertainment material.
  • "The Army had become too comfortable working on SIPRNet while deployed," which "bred some complacency because of the ease of access," one witness told Coombs. The witness was referring to the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, a system of interconnected computer networks used by the Defense and State departments to transmit classified data.

    CNN's Charley Keyes contributed to this report.

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    3. tpay

      I just checked how the constitution defines treason and it is not exposing our government's role in propping up dictatorships around the world.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Reply
      • Don

        Treason – citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]. Tep, he fits the definition (the release of the material helped our enemies)!

        December 9, 2011 at 6:13 am | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        No, but it does speak to aiding our enemies, so Manning could be charged with treason, but so far he hasn't been.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Reply
    4. ROBBY

      Look plain and simple, Mr. Manning (yes Mr. he does not deserve a better title than that) broke the law. Under the UCMJ and other federal laws he know what he was doing was wrong. Now I do not care if you agree with what he did or not the fact is that at the end of the day, he still broke the law well many laws, and he should be punished. He blew no whistle, what he did do was to put a lot of Military Man and women in a lot of danger and us here at home. Now for those of you that do not like the government and you yourself would do the same thing maybe you should leave the country. I may not like the government all the time but I love my country and the people in it. I do not wish bad things on the United States or its people and by saying Mr. Manning is a hero and he did the right thing, is to say you hate this country and the people in it. You yourself would put us into harm’s way, which is no better than any terrorists out there. Yes, I would like to see things in the USA change but not if it is going to harm, hurt, or kill Americans. If you really do not like the USA then leave. There is nothing that is keeping you here in the United States. I am sure China would take you or hell Iraq but just leave, the USA does not need you. We need people that will look out for each other and our country because God know the government will not look out for us. Take the post how you want but to really sum it up Mr. Manning was wrong and anyone who does not think so should leave this country, also yes the government is somewhat shady and does things we all do not agree on but that is every government not just ours. Read more and you will find out how ture that really is.

      December 8, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Reply
    5. bob martin

      i was very disapionted when manning didn't get the nobel peace prize. the guys a hero and should be treated as such.forget what these right wing nut jobs are saying we need more people like him. will the next hero please come forward. this is the only way to stop all these stupid wars. it's either wars or health care and other domestic programs we need. not money to a militant police force to keep the poor and poorer in line. but good domestic programs that we pay taxes for. because these wars are useles and makeing the general poulation in the US poorer.

      December 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        Awful easy to become a hero in your eyes.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Reply
    6. Schmoogalicious

      Traitor? Bradley Manning has done more to uphold freedom and democracy in the US than all the soldiers fighting the Neocons' illegal, immoral wars combined.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    7. Fellow Service Member Overseas

      I find it irritating that a few soldiers have tainted people's views on our military. There is a chain of command that needs to be followed, if there is something found that was illegal. I'm glad he did what he felt was right, but on the other hand he swore an oath to protect this nation against foreign and domestic enemies; not to give away sensitive information that could harm our troops overseas. There were other ways he could have dealt with the things he was facing, but he chose this route and now he needs to face the consequences.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
      • Schmoogalicious

        The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been based on lying to and deceiving the American people from the beginning. THAT is the domestic threat to the United States. Bradley Manning may be mentally unstable, but he did the American people a great service in shining a light on what our government is doing in our name.

        December 8, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply
        • Fellow Service Member Overseas

          If there was evidence of that in what he leaked, it should have been dealt with differently. There are ways to deal with things like that in the military, if he had information like that then it should have been put through the right channels. However what he leaked wasn't pertaining to why we are at war, but other information to keeping our soldiers safe.
          I don't always agree with what our government does, but I don't wish for things to get leaked that could put the people keeping our country safe in harms way.

          December 8, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
      • mm

        SEMPER FI!

        December 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Reply
    8. BradKT

      Awwww...Poor little traitor has a tummy ache?

      He's lucky that he wasn't shot by a firing squad for treason.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    9. Peter

      I will choose Freedom and Justice over blindly following a government any day!

      December 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        Too bad that this case isn't really a choice like that.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        Everyone in America does. Not everyone commits felonies because they are disgruntled however.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Reply
    10. NN

      What Manning did was wrong, he broke some serious laws, and, despite the good that will come of his actions, he deserves to be punished. But what the heck happened to the requirement of speedy trial? How slow and incompetent is the military going to be prosecuting this case?
      What good will come of this: once again the military has proven themselves to be hopelessly inept at everything they do. They can't manage computer security, they lie about the results of their investigations, and they generate quite a lot of unnecessary paperwork and reports that no one uses or reads, to name just a few. The damage done by Manning to national security is paltry compared to the undermining done by Congress and the bureaucrats at higher levels of mismanagement. The whole organization reeks of corruption, injustice, incompetence, sabotage, waste, and treason, it is nothing short of satanic in its collective mindset.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    11. Peter

      What a bull@#*$ Country we live in with our Bull@*#$ wars and all the people we kill. You call yourselves patriots because you don't question anything your Government does, glad you love government so much, me I love Freedom and justice more than I will ever love some pathetic Government.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
      • Lean6

        Peter, I get the distinct impression that you're hiding something. Were you afraid to serve? Not physically qualified or capable? Did some large Marine steal your girlfriend? What is it? There's something uniquely personal (and childish) about your brave and courageous Internet post; I just had to play along. Lol.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    12. Liberty Queen

      Bradley Manning is a Hero and has more b***s than all you robotic military tools put together.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
      • Peter

        Right on libertyQueen, most of these Lemming would follow the Government right into an oven.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
        • SFC Mike

          Oh my, such brilliant repartee from the terminally clueless. Why don't you two put your money and your actions where your mouths are? If you detest the government here so much, why don't you move someplace more in tune with your way of thinking? Continuing to live in a country where you derive direct and indirect benefits from a society and government you detest simply exposes your hypocracy and cowardice.

          December 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
        • Adolf

          Worked for the Nazi's in the 1940s

          December 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        Some people recognize that liberty is not just a gift that the British gave to the United States out of generosity, or something that other nations have allowed the United States to keep just because we're cool people.

        Sometimes those military tools are required to defend the liberty that you so clearly misunderstand.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Reply
    13. Lean6

      Every time I see a picture of this guy's mug I think, "what a portait of androgyny...it's Pat!"

      December 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    14. Peter

      Don't worry we killed a bunch of innocent people uncluding children but it's classified so run along now and get back watching your boob tube and drooling on yourselves!

      December 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    15. Liberty Queen

      The right of every individual to Sovereignty and Freedom supercedes the nefarious goals of nation-states. Bradley Manning did the right thing by exposing the military for what it is... a kiilling machine for global elite fascists. The U.S. military has absolutely no right to be in Iraq or Afghanistan, period. In addition, those unarmed Iraqi civilians were slaughtered by the military and children were severely wounded in the process. You say you served? You didn't serve the cause of Freedom and Individual Sovereignty. The only thing you serve are twisted despots throughout the world, including in the United States. You are nothing but a bunch of boot-licking cowards serving a murderous agenda and denying Freedom to All.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
      • SFC Mike

        "Rights" are nothing more than legal constructs created by nation-states, with a little philosophical fluff added. If you think there are natural or inalienable "human" rights, then go out and live in the wild and explain to all the critters you meet your "right" not to be lower on the food chain than they are.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Reply
    16. Peter

      If you watch the video of our troops shooting not only a group of unarmed civilians but also a child that was clearly visible you should be horrified if you are not can you even call yourself human? The government can pretend that all it's misdeeds and crimes are classified and that makes it ok and that nobody can judge them well guess what you will be judged just like Manning you and those troops will have their day before God!

      December 8, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
    17. Mike C

      When will Wall Street's crimes and treasons be prosecuted with this level of zeal?

      Never? Oh, then carry on. Live your life. Go back to sleep.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    18. Spendlove

      Way to go CNN, you've just published all kinds of government propaganda.

      December 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    19. the_dude

      He sings along to lady gaga songs. That tells me all I need to know about this loser.....hang 'em high like the movies says.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    20. yuh ok

      Wow, and this guy's a hero to the Wikileak zealots?? The problem is, we've allowed some elements of society to completely remove common sense from anything public these days, especially in the government/military. If someone had even tried to remove this guy from duty, the ACLU and several other organizations would have screamed. We've painted ourselves into a corner.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
      • Degrin

        When the government/military participates in unscrupulous behavior they "scream" national security reasons or plausible deniability as an excuse to not have to face the people with the facts. Its not acceptable for my government to do things in my name with my tax dollars without my knowledge or consent. Its the people's duty to reign in corruption and expose as much information as possible.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Reply
        • DamnLies HeadInButtUS

          Well said, but do you think anyone of importance will listen??

          December 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
        • UhavenoSense

          Including your SSN, bank account number and W-2's from the
          IRS

          December 8, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
        • Bill

          Dude sounds like you watched way to much of the X-Files....that statement you made is right out of the mouth of Agent Fox Mulder.....

          December 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    21. JJ

      Ockham's Razor: simplest explanation is almost always the truth. Simplest explanation? He's faking it because he wants to get out of Leavenworth. Let him rot.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    22. victim of democrat hypocrisy

      So his defense attorney is pretty much admitting his guilt. Too bad he won't be executed for his treasonous crimes.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
    23. Degrin

      Manning is a Patriot. If only everyone had the balls to do the same.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
      • jan

        I agree.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
      • yuh ok

        I bet you'd like his balls, huh?

        December 8, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Reply
      • JJ

        Manning is not a patriot. You don't have a clue what the word means.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
        • Degrin

          "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

          I suppose the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence didn't know anything about patriotism either....

          December 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
        • Retired Army in San Antonio

          Dissent and Treason are not the same thing.

          "The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence" understood the difference (unlike yourself) and would've had Manning in front of a firing squad......

          December 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
      • jaintn

        It's not patriotism for a U.S. soldier, when we're at war, to steal and publish classified documents that could potentially harm his fellow soldiers or allies. If he didn't like what was going on in the U.S. he should have left and joined the Taliban. Same goes for you. Your statement makes you as much of a traitor as Manning.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Reply
        • JJ

          I agree with you. True balls means he would have joined the enemy.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
        • Degrin

          Go read some Jefferson, Madison, or Franklin if you want to learn about true patriotism. They were turning in their graves over these wars, vietnam, korea, etc...

          A true patriot questions and even defies his government when necessary.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
      • JJ

        And if he really owned anything resembling balls he would have brought up his issues to his supervisors up the chain of command. He was too chickensh|t to do that so he thought being a traitor and taking the past of least resistance would be easier. Now he knows better. Let him rot.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Reply
      • JohnP

        A patriot? Like you, right? Feel free to emigrate to Iran.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
      • NavyMom

        There is a big difference between 'dissent' and treason. Maybe you should read something about Benedict Arnold.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        yeah right....Manning should be executed as a traitor....

        December 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        If he is a patriot, he sure hid it well if he is guilty of what he is accused of.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Reply
    24. Mike Speakman

      This traitor deserves death. Execute him already.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    25. whight_knight

      This man is a hero because the govt. believes it's perfectly fine for them to spy on us, but not vice versa...I would do the same thing if I ever had the chance because I despise what this country is letting the government get away with, and many fail to remember the government is only as powerful as we let them become, and they can be stopped if the strong willed stand against them.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Reply
      • JJ

        Spying Treason. Grow a brain.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Reply
      • yuh ok

        Yes, President I'llBombYa and Eric Holder are even more guilty than the previous administration..

        December 8, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        There is some truth to what you say, but the reality is that we challenge the government in the polls and in the courts. We don't resort to illegal actions that ultimately accomplish nothing. Well, that's how patriots and heroes act anyway. If Manning is guilty, he's just a disgruntled employee and a criminal.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Reply
    26. Freedom From Insanity

      I was in MI and had to undergo a very thorough background investigation conducted by MI special agents before undergoing training and assignment to my eventual duty station in Germany. They talked with former friends, school teachers, neighbors (who all thought they were FBI agents). Why was Mannings instability not discovered at that time. I am sure he did not become unstable overnight. His conduct is definitely a violation of his oath at the time of joining the Army and most definitely in complete viloation of his security clearance oath. Based on my kinowledge of this kind of behavior, it does not take much to put a lot of small pieces together to discover major military secrets. In this case, major military secrets were revealed at an amazing rate. The trial will be interesting, but i am sure we will not ever get the full story of all that was revealed.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Reply
    27. JJ

      Does anybody CARE if this nimrod was, is or will be ill? I doubt it. I certainly don't. Let him suffer.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        Not especially. He had a job, he vibrantly and spectacularly failed at it. The reasons behind the failure are not really important.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm | Reply
    28. lowell

      DEATH TO HUBRIS. Liberals defining deviancy down, again. No matter what happens, if the RESULT fits the liberal anti-AMERICAN agenda, there is ALWAYS an excuse.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Reply
      • Arch

        I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say or what point you're trying to make.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
      • FLOP

        What on earth are you talking about????

        December 8, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        I didn't know it was possible to experience Tourette's on the keyboard... but here ya go...

        December 8, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Reply
    29. michaelfury

      http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/payback/

      December 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply
    30. redone

      What fool entrusted a 23 yr old with military secrets? Yes, if he is found guilty then he will have to pay the price. Couldn't this have been minimized by limiting access to those who have proven their trustworthyness with years of service? How long could this pup have been in the service before he was given access and what fool gave him that access? They should be included in this inquiry.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Reply
      • Mars

        The military needs to review their requirements for any type of clearance to include but not limited to Secret and Top Secret. Most military analysts are mature and trust worthy people but if you want to avoid a Pvt. Manning incidet all you have to do is make sure that ALL personnel that apply for military intellligence jobs are on their second tour with the military or have a minimum of 4 years of service. This critieria will remove the people that may have the intelligence to do the job but lack the maturity or are otherwise unstable as Pvt. Manning.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Reply
        • Bill

          Why do you assume that the issue is his age? Why do you think that someone on their second or more tour would be any more trustworthy? Limiting classified access because of age wouldn't even make sense. I spent years on Submarines. Everyone on a sub has to have a minimum of a Secret clearance. Using your plan, nobody could get on a submarine unless it was their second tour or later. Yeah... that's gonna work.

          December 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
      • Bill

        Spolen like someone who has never been in the military. 23 years old is fairly old for the majority of the military. It's not uncommon to find 19 year olds driving tanks, or submarines, or launching planes off of an aircraft carrier, or taking part in a fire fight. It's also not uncommon to find 23 year olds in charge of others.

        Did you think everyone fighting was in their 30's or older?

        December 8, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        There are a lot of people who are 23 years old and younger with security clearances. Manning's apparent misconduct shouldn't reflect on people who do their jobs in a responsible and professional fashion.
        .

        December 16, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Reply
    31. &

      The government can spy on you, but you can't spy on the government.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    32. Booger McCoy

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      December 8, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Reply
      • Chris R

        That is likely a mistake rather than a conscious decision. Might want to be a little less sensitive about these thing.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
      • Senior Pedro

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        December 8, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Reply
      • JJ

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        December 8, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Reply
    33. Booger McCoy

      He's a homo, ain't he? That proves right there he's sick.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Reply
      • Chris R

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        December 8, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
      • FLOP

        Proves that your a bigot

        December 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Reply
    34. &

      If whistleblower protections were expanded, he wouldn't have to be incarcerated. The govt is just p'd off that he leaked their insidious secrets. Who knows? This could've been intentional as a pretext for the govt to further encroach on our liberties.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Reply
      • &

        The powers that be are traitors to the principles of which this country is founded on.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        A whistleblower is someone who reports a specific crime or serious problem that is being ignored; not someone who indiscriminantly releases millions of documents when he has no clue what's in them or what harm to our troops might result.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Reply
      • Howie

        This guy isn't a whistleblower and is certainly no hero. He blindly released millions of secret documents without any knowledge or understanding of what was in them. The article is carefully non-comital, but rest assured, PEOPLE HAVE DIED as a direct result of this information being released. This guy is guilty of treason and should be executed. And no, I am no right wing republican – I think we have committed war crimes in Iraq and Afganistan, and I think we never should have gone to either venue. I voted for Obama and will do so again. I am also a PROUD American, support our troops, and believe those who are in harm's way deserve better from the rest of us.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        The soldiers whose lives were put in danger by his release of operational data are also pissed of at him releasing those secrets. The secrets he released weren't "insidious"... usually the "secrets" the government keeps are data on ongoing operations, the secrecy of which saves lives. Imagine how easy it would be to kill our soldiers if we published where they were going every time they left base. Or how easy it would be to kill them if we were to say "Oh, if you want to blow up our Humvees, here's where you shoot them." That's the kind of stuff that gets classified, and that's the majority of what he released. So no, he wasn't fighting some good fight against Big Brother... he was signing the death warrants of his brothers in arms.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Reply
      • Heavy_Cavalry_Sgt

        Why? He could have just gone through the proper channels, he didn't need to break the law to blow the whistle; that was his choice.

        It is obvious from his own account that when he found the video from the Apache that someone was already investigating some of that incident. Why blow a whistle that's already being blown?

        it looks like - if he is guilty - he was just disgruntled.

        December 16, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Reply
    35. Brian Broers

      He is nothing more than a ego driven fool. A traitor at its worst and should be dealt with by swift unrelenting justice by the sword. All the hippies who wanna save this pile of filth run I enjoy moving targets. Execute him along with his supporters.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Reply
      • Liberty or Death

        We will see how tough you are when your moving targets shot back, you statist coward

        December 8, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Reply
      • Brad76

        Threatening to shoot people huh? You're a real class act.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    36. podunda

      You're darn right I ordered a Code Red!!!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        LOL! I could handle that Podunda! I think Manning's court martial would make better TV than any Congressional meeting shown on CSPAN!

        December 8, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    37. guest2011

      This guy's defense attorney wants to call Obama and Rodman Clinton as witnesses????? HAHAHAHAHA Yeah right! Like THAT'S going to happen.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    38. zionismbuster

      vermins are scared witless as their days are numbered.

      and we know who they are!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Reply
    39. Bobby

      Regardless of which side of the fence you are remember this - THIS GUY IS TOAST -fact!

      December 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    40. HxC19D

      Unless things were done differently in his unit than mine...in 1-1 Cav I was issued a weapon, but never had access to it until it was checked out of the arms room, and even then there was no ammunition kept within my platoon's armsroom, it had to be either shipped in or checked out via a different armory building. I never knew M.I. personnel to have an issued sidearm for everyday use like an MP either.

      Just my opinion about the recommendation to remove his weapon, I know what it means figuratively speaking. But this article doesn't state anything new and it's all obvious to any former vet and currently serving soldier as well. The Military doesn't heed the warnings of others for a number of reasons, cross-unit rivalries, a senior ranking person believes the recommendation isn't valid, looking the other way, taking the recommended disciplinary actions and interpreting it themselves and issuing a different punishment, paper got lost (man does that happen a lot), nobody following up on it.

      This might not be a military-wide issue...but it's certainly an issue I saw day to day. I can't speak for Manning's immaturity or instability, his commanders could have been ordered to take a certain course of action and never were (by this I mean, in my experience, a medical personnel's opinion usually outweighs a similar ranking soldier or even a senior ranking soldier's opinion.) I always heard, If the medic's say it it's golden and you do it. It sounds to me that a "opinion to take a course of action" was given and not an "order issued to protect a soldier from himself and/or the others immediately surrounding him." The two would have been handled completely differently, I knew 3 soldiers who were removed from my unit and placed in a mental health facility for a period of a few weeks and there was nothing a squad leader, our CO/XO, or squadron commander could do about it

      December 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Reply
      • HxC19D

        In basic a Pvt. was trying to use the "i'm crazy" card to get out. He used to stand there staring blankly at the ground...until one day my Senior Drill Sgt. came up to him and said, "Listen Rainman, I want you to count those rocks over there and you're not to stop until you're done...and I know how many are there" Then there were the 2 privates who tried jumping off of a stairwell headfirst to get out of service...and I could keep going. saw a bunch of messed up things in 16 weeks just in OSUT. It's part of the reason the military started rethinking it's OSUT training setup.

        3 weeks later the kid, Rainman, was discharged for instability and a perceived threat to himself and others.

        Food for thought...What this article states is nothing new to me and shouldn't be to any vet or active soldier whatsoever...If someone states something it doesn't mean it'll be followed, because everyday things and decisions in the military aren't front page CNN articles...My assumption is someone in his chain of command wanted to give him a chance to turn around, unfortunately nobody did anything in time to help him.

        I've been on the fence about Manning for a while...I used to be personally offended at the thought of what he did, but then after doing my own research I discovered nothing he leaked really caused any damage to frontline troops or anything like that. It was basically a bunch of stuff he came across that really made him feel uneasy and made him question his own service. I can salute that Mr. Manning, people like to think of soldiers as mindless order following robots...but some still think for themselves when the time comes, and when it gets bad sometimes consequences to yourself are trivial compared to the big picture...

        But you know the Army is going to try and make an example of him regardless. They could have done something, but then again they could have stopped the kill squad in Iraq. Could have done something when they had a chance, or sit on their hindparts and wait to do damage control after the fact. The chain of command chose the latter.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply
      • HxC19D

        Sidenote: I understand now removal of his weapon was recommended while he was in a warzone which would then make sense. I was speaking about being on post.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        This guy was deployed to Iraq at the time. When you in country, even on a large base, you carry weapon and ammunition,

        December 8, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
    41. bao

      Disagree with the government ? You're a terrorist. Disagree with the corporations? You're a dirty hippy that needs to be pepper spreayed. Disagree with the Military? You're mentally ill. Welcome to Nazi America.

      This guy deserves a medal. No one is beyond reproach. NO ONE .. especially the Military Leaders.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Reply
      • zionismbuster

        beat the insane system in its own corrupt game! Long Live Manning!

        December 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Reply
      • Jake in CO

        Have you every read an army contract? You give up all rights, freedoms, and political expressions. You cannot control a military that picks and chooses which parts of what the command is wants to follow based on their views.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
      • mm

        You are clearly mentally challenged if you don't know the difference between disagreeing and doing what this mentally challenged individual did, putting lives and missions in danger. Take your meds and go back to bed!

        December 8, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Reply
      • Arch

        Although I agree that many people, throughout history, have been unfairly silenced or persecuted...it doesn't change the fact that he voluntarily joined the military and agreed to give up a lot of his rights in exchange.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    42. Saboth

      Funny how we are told by our government that anything and everything is classified these days, to "protect us and our soldiers", but in reality it is to protect our government from its citizens. Then when stuff becomes declassified, we find there was nothing in it that would have harmed our soldiers, but plenty in it to harm the reputation of our government and military. What happened to the "transparent" government we were supposed to have? Absolutely nothing changed. They are less transparent than ever, and now they are trying to pass laws that removes Americans' Constitutional rights on top of it. Face it, our government has gotten too big for it's britches, and it all started with 9/11.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
      • Josh

        Saboth – I totally agree. As i stated in my earlier post – There was nothing that could put anyones 'life in danger'. There were no names that revealed cia agents, spies, undercover personell, etc. What WAS exposed was a bunch of documented behind the scenes conversation of government officials badmouthing our ALLIES. Sure this was an embarrasment but hardly 'sensitive classified' info.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Reply
        • Jennifer

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/us/30wikileaks.html

          http://news.yahoo.com/wikileaks-getting-leaky-names-sources-accidentally-loosed-online-040604369.html

          http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-01/politics/wikileaks.human.rights.activists_1_wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-authoritarian-countries-human-rights-activists?_s=PM:POLITICS

          I think you should actually know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
        • Mike, NH

          Josh, Jennifer has debunked your lies twice now. Going to go for 3X?

          December 8, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Josh, are you certain? Did you read every document Manning leaked?

        Saboth, you have a good point, however, there really are many things classified that would cause a great deal of harm if made public. Just because so many turn out to be simple embarrassments doesn't negate the need for classifying, but it does often happen that documents are classified that don't really need to be. That said, better to err on the side of caution.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        Sounds like somebody needs to stop bathing, grab a tent, and join their local Occupy camp. You'll fit right in with the other nut cases.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        Classification of material is an interesting subject. One would think that it's as simple as determining whether the content of a document would cause issues if leaked, and classifying it accordingly.

        That's part of it. But there is also the issue whereby a specific document is not classified, but several documents TOGETHER might need to be classified. For example... one document details an operation. That might be classified Secret. Another document details the movements of a particular unit. That's classified Secret. But put together, they place a particular unit as part of the operation. That might be TOP SECRET.

        So, apart, a lot of these documents leaked might not even be classified, but put enough together, and you're looking at the potential for some real damage.

        What he did was wrong – if he were civilian, it might be heroic. As a soldier, it was stupid at best; treasonous at the worst. I know it's hard for those who never served to understand, but the price you pay to serve your country is that you keep the secrets you are entrusted with UNLESS they are illegal. Nothing he leaked was illegal... therefore, he violated the trust of everyone involved.

        He won't walk away from this without punishment... but the idea that the Army knew he was unstable and didn't take steps may reduce his sentence a bit.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    43. Joshua Ludd

      As usual, the military did its best to ignore any mental health issues among the cannon fodder.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        Exactly.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        You know Joshua, you might be right. Allowing this gay men to serve may have been the greatest risk. However, I know a few gay men in the military and they didn't cry or cause drama around them cause they didn't find a husband. In fact, folks use to say that is why women joined the military back in the day to – to find a husband. Well, no woman was a traitor! There really isn't any excuse for what Manning did – self respect – should have been the mechanism that stopped him. He gave his word via an oath and he couldnt' keep it!

        December 8, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Reply
      • Spare

        And you, of course, know this to be true ....

        Wait, just how do you know this to be true? Because you read it online? Thought so.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    44. Bob

      Manning should be hanged like the traitor he is.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
      • Jake

        And so should you Bob.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Reply
        • Mark

          And so should you....Jake.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
      • Joe

        Bob clearly does not know what a hero is.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • Eric

        Want to hang traitors? Then shall we go after those who outed Valerie Plame?
        I guess by your standards we should have rounded up Robert Novak, Richard Armitage, Lewis Libby, Judith Miller, Condoleezza Rice, Dick Cheney and GWB.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Reply
        • Spare

          Your lack of understanding and knowledge of the Plame incident is .... well ... amazing.

          A display of ignorance does not enhance your position, nor your image.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    45. Non-Partisan

      Since when was deciding to release information that shows the actual (and admittedly questionable) methods of the military simply enough to be declared mentally ill? Right or wrong on his part I won't debate either way because it is too divisive. But when did our court and legal system get so petty to be able to declare someone mentally ill so easily? Judicial Hypochondriasis. He clearly believed in something, and now is letting his lawyer lie and snivel his way to a 'better sentence' instead of the 'right sentence.'

      December 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Reply
      • Jay

        He was declared mentally unstable by the United States Army while he was on active duty before he leaked the material

        December 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Reply
      • Leaf on the Wind

        The court is not trying to declare Manning to be mentally unstable, his defense attorney is doing that in an effort to avoid the executioner. His lawyer is doing his job, working up a strong enough argument for diminished capacity to get the death penalty off the table.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        Manning won't see the executioner – the most he will see is life. His defense is trying to show that he was mentally unstable all along, and that some part of the Army knew it and didn't do anything. That shows two things: 1) He might not have known what he was doing was wrong, and 2) The army could have prevented it but didn't.

        It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    46. Steve

      I feel bad for him honestly and I'm a veteran. You people can call him a traitor or whatever. Yes, he broke laws and leaked classified information. But it was of American soldiers mowing down innocent Iraqis as target practice. In this country's history books, he will be remembered as a traitor and will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison. Internationally, he's viewed differently (in case anyone didn't know.) War is pretty grimy, everyone knows that. But what he did was MORALLY right. Whether it was breaking the law or not.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Reply
      • Jake

        The legality of something unfortunately has very little if anything to do with what is right and wrong

        December 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        The incident you speak of was a case of a group of people incorrectly being identified as combatants. You do know they don't wear uniforms right? If you watch the whole clip, and not just the part that has been extracted to make it look bad; the mistake is obvious. No one was deliberately killing civilains for target practice.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Reply
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Steve, seriously, do you know how many document Manning leaked? You're talking about one instance. What about all the other thousands of pages of information? Have you read all of them? I don't believe even Manning did that much, he just downloaded a pile of miscellaneous classified documents to wikileaks. It was irresponsible as well as illegal. If he had a problem with that one specific incident, there were other ways to handle making it public knowledge, without possibly endangering other lives.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    47. Jay

      The oath of enlistment is to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. While I will admit Manning did violate the law by leaking classified information, at the same time he leaked acts committed by the United States that can be considered War Crimes, hidden as classified information. President Obama in his role as Commander in Chief of the United States Military may have already ruined this case when he publically made the following statement "he broke the law". That can be classified as Unlawful Command Influence according to the United States Manual for Courts Martial "(2) All persons subject to the code. No person subject to the code may attempt to coerce or, by any unauthorized means, influence the action of a courtmartial or any other military tribunal or any member
      thereof, in reaching the findings or sentence in any case or the action of any convening, approving, or reviewing authority with respect to such authority’s judicial acts." As with civilian law all suspects are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, so the CINC's statement unduly suggests that the Commander of all US military Forces has publically stated that Manning broke the law, which is stating that he is guilty unduly influences the actions of a courts martial. Therefore the case may actually not be possible.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Reply
      • Jake

        And that is a very germane and cogent argument.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        Obama 'acted stupidly'. No surprise there. As far as 'war crimes', the released info proved nothing of the sort.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
        • Jay

          A video of the US military intentiannally mowing down unarmed civilians then laughing about it does qualify as a war crime!! It violates the Law of Armed Conflict, Rules of Engagement, and the Geneva Convention.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
      • RDKirk

        Nope. Commanders have made such statements before and that defense has been tried before. Unless a commander has taken specific actions or made specific directions, that defense does not stand. A mere statement of opinion by a commander is does not meet that standard.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        It was NOT up to Manning himself, to determine what is and what not, is classified, or what the world should know. THAT, was NOT his job. Downloading any file that he should NOT have had access to, was not his job. Searching through thousands and thousands of classified data that he should NOT have had access to, just to fine tidbits that reflected negative on America – in any way shape or form, was NOT his job. There were and are, several ways he could have handled his rejection from other men (gay or not), his lack of enthusiam for his job, his depression, whatever mental issues he had. He had other means to do this. Whether the data was classified or not, whether it should have been in CNN or wiki, WAS not his job. Manning showed no – none – loyalty to the soldier sitting next to him, sleeping next to him while at WAR. Someone like him would have been shot in the dugout during WWII because he would have risked all. A risk from one, is a risk to all during War! No Mercy here from me Jay. I just cannot get over the fact that he didnt' care and did exactly what he wanted to do knowing it was wrong!

        December 8, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply
        • DamnLies HeadInButtUS

          You are so indoctrinated by the bullshit you've been fed.. Hiding the truth of atrocities committed is not correct and protecting your buddies in the trench for this stupid loyalty is assinine. God always finds a way to shine a light on you and your kind, so you can run but you can't hide! Go get yourself deprogrammed and try to understand what God wanted for you to know in this life, not what some other idiot just told you!! Learn to think for yourself!

          December 8, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
      • Spare

        I would suggest that the law is pretty exact - release of classified information is a crime. There is no if ... no but .. no maybe ... no possibly.

        He committed a crime ... his 'motivation' is irrelevant.

        He goes to jail ... end of story.

        Have a nice day.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Reply
      • Mike, NH

        Jay, If you watch the entire incident, and not just the carefully edited parts that make our troops look bad, you see that they had in fact thought the group were armed combatants. they don't wear unifirms you know. They did realize their mistake later, and were certainly not laughing then. But of course those facts don't support your story, so you cherry pick.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
    48. Josh

      Lets look at the big picture. Yes this guy was wrong in giving out 'classified' information. However lets look at WHAT was actually leaked. There was nothing that could put anyones 'life in danger'. There were no names that revealed cia agents, spies, undercover personell, etc. What WAS exposed was a bunch of documented behind the scenes conversation of government officials badmouthing our ALLIES. Sure this was an embarrasment but hardly 'sensitive classified' info.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Reply
      • Jennifer

        Nice job completely ignoring the enormous dump of names of informants, classified agents, etc. that was "accidentally" sent out from Wikileaks this year.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm | Reply
        • Josh

          no such list was leaked.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
        • Jennifer

          Really?

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/us/30wikileaks.html

          http://news.yahoo.com/wikileaks-getting-leaky-names-sources-accidentally-loosed-online-040604369.html

          http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-01/politics/wikileaks.human.rights.activists_1_wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-authoritarian-countries-human-rights-activists?_s=PM:POLITICS

          I think you should actually know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
        • AL

          Care to cite specific examples of this then? I welcome you to try but I bet you won't be able to tell me one conclusive example of what you are claiming. Just because Fox News says/wishes it were true does not make it so. Sorry dear.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
        • AL

          Nice links there but can you cite any real examples of people coming to harm as a result?

          December 8, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
        • Jennifer

          New York Times if Fox News now?

          I gave three specific news stories regarding the release of names in the Wikileaks documents. Perhaps you should read them.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
        • AL

          You cited links saying lists had been leaked, but nothing about people actually coming to harm as a result. Ya think maybe...JUST MAYBE.... the lists were inconsequential and being trumped up in the media by the officials embarrassed by the other information?

          December 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
      • Jennifer

        http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/asia-pacific/leaked-cables-spark-witch-hunt-for-chinese-rats/article2165339/

        http://www.cpj.org/2011/09/ethiopian-journalist-idd-in-wikileaks-cable-flees.php

        Perhaps you should learn to use google.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Reply
        • AL

          Neither one of those links has anything to do with someone coming to lethal harm. Stick and stones break bones but words......ah you get the point.....I hope.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
        • Jennifer

          No, you're obviously missing the point. First you wanted me to provide links showing that names had been leaked. I did that. Then you complained that nobody had any specific evidence of harm that came to people due to the leaks. I provided that. Now you're complaining that "not enough harm" has been done.

          Seriously?

          How many informants out there have essentially disappeared? How do we know if they're dead or just not talking to us anymore? As one would expect, this information is probably also classified – the fact that it hasn't been made public isn't a good reason to assume it's not happening.

          And, in the meantime, in countries where we can verify things – there have been death threats. People have been driven from their homes. All because one stupid little private decided to download reams and reams of classified documents that he HAD NOT READ and released them.

          If PVT Manning had found certain, specific documents that detailed illegal actions by the US or the military, and released those only, I could have a heck of a lot more sympathy for him. Downloading wholesale without knowing the contents, and releasing those? That's a traitorous act.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
        • AL

          Sorry but being called naughty names and being paranoid and fleeing for half baked reasons isn't all that harmful. People deal with much worse every day in this country. If someone gets assassinated over this then maybe we can see eye to eye.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
        • Jennifer

          And here's another link for you:

          http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/79749/wikitargeted/

          December 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
        • Jennifer

          Aaaand more links:

          http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/taliban-study-wikileaks-to-hunt-informants/

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351927/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-new-book-Afghan-informants-deserve-killed.html

          Not convinced yet? Assange specifically said that he didn't care if the information he released got people killed. He specifically said "they deserved it".

          December 8, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
      • Bill

        EPIC FAIL of an argument. Classified information can NOT be declassified, or even re-classified on the whim of anyone reading it – whether they have legal access to it or not. Classifications can only be changed by certain authority.. and Manning did not have that.

        MANY times I have seen classified material where it made NO sense that it was classified. At least to me. But there usually is a really good reason to classify material. As I said earlier on this board – sometimes documents don't need to be classified by themselves, but in conjunction with other documents, become classified because together they give the "bigger picture".

        Nobody in the military has the authority to decide whether the classification of material is appropriate or not unless they happen to work directly in that capacity. Usually, declassification is done at top level units – Departmental level or higher. I served on Submarines, and used to routinely classify material. Once classified, not even I had the authority to declass it – even though I was the one who classified it!

        So, the argument that the "info wasn't harmful" is lame. None of us are in the position to know any such thing.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
      • Spare

        'What' was revealed is irrelevant. He was not qualified to make an assessment of the efficacy of the classified information (I'm guessing he never even read any of it), nor was it a part of his assigned duties. In fact, he was expressly forbidden from releasing classified information. He disobeyed orders ... any questions?

        December 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    49. Iris

      This comment is to the person who said that him being gay was the reason why he did what he did. Really? You need to go back to school for a better education, because that inbred talk isn't helping you very much.

      He should have had his clearance suspended, and then investigated. There are many things the Army could have done. No offense Army, but I've seen a lot of hiccups on your part for many years. Granted, you are the largest branch out there, but seriously? Wasn't it the Army that actually sent a soldier, who wasn't even a soldier, some guy claiming he went through bootcamp and had a lot of awards, to a combat zone? I was flabbergasted over that one.

      Anyhow, being prior military myself, and holding a clearance myself, this guy knew better, and so did the Army. HOPING things get better is not the way to go. PREVENTING is a much better way to deal with things.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Reply
    50. BigRed

      Crazy or not, he needs to have his date with the firing squad.

      December 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Reply
      • Jake

        And so do you.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Reply
    51. justice

      This treasonaous bas tard should be hung right next to JANE FONDA (That's Hanoi Jane to you vets) -

      December 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Reply
      • Jake

        And we'll get a third rope for you too. And hell while we are at it lets just hang everyone else who ever stood up for what they felt was right.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Reply
        • justice

          That's a blanket statement. Soooo do you support our troops? OR do you support the guys who flew into the towers. I mean, sounds to me like you want to defend those who do what they think is right. Well guess what. The guys who piloted those planes must be your heroes for following what they thought was right.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
        • Eric

          Jake, you need to ignore Justice. YOu can tell from his comments that he is nothing more than a Foxtard.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    52. Jon

      All the people on here saying that manning is a "hero" are crazier than his defense is claiming he is. There are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of files released that we haven't even heard of, so there is no way to be positive that we weren't hurt in some way by this. Even if we weren't hurt, he still betrayed his country and the oath he took. Hang the bastard and move on!

      December 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Reply
      • Disgusted w/warmongers

        We were all led by the nose into these bogus wars and more than likely headed into another one with Iran (either unilaterally again, or to support Israel should Israel attack Iran first...again, just more lies about a nonexistent nuclear weapons program). Bradley Manning deserves everyone's thanks for doing the right thing to help expose the flawed mentality of the U.S. "leadership" and neocon masters of war who have been systematically deceiving us.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Reply
        • Bill

          FAIL. Manning wasn't "led by his nose" into enlisting in the Army and taking the oath. After that, no matter WHAT the military did, he had sworn to obey orders – UNLESS they were illegal. Tell me what illegal orders he chose to disobey? NONE. No... he chose to expose classified orders, in direct disobedience to documents he signed when he got his clearance that had him agreeing to NOT disclose classified info. It's that cut and dry.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    53. Mike

      We need to remove politicians with no military experience from the military decision making process.
      How can a Senator, Congressperson, or even the President, know what is best from a military standpoint when they didn't serve even one day in the military?
      Let the top military brass make the decisions and the President should then simply say "Yes sir."
      After all wasn't it the military that got Bin Laden? Wasn't it really told to Obama when the operation was already under way? That decision, which was the right one, was made without Obama's knowledge even though the liberal press will lead you to believe otherwise.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Reply
      • Jim

        Yes, only military personnel should have authority over the military. Kind of like in Mayanmar, right?

        Civilian control of the military is the only way it will function for civilians and not "at" them. Lt Col, USAF (Ret).

        December 8, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Reply
      • Jim

        oh, and you're an idiot.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Reply
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Mike, ditto what Jim said. Sheesh! Think much?

        December 8, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Reply
      • Bill

        Just because you say so doesn't make it so. And just because you obviously don't like Obama doesn't mean you can remove him from the process.

        It's called "Checks and Balances". You might want to look it up. It's the reason why the Secretaries of each military branch are CIVILIAN, and the reason why the Command In Chief is ALSO civilian. It's meant to ensure that the military doesn't end up running this country.

        WOW... you really should read a bit more. Get off these boards and crack open a book, dude.

        December 8, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    54. Rigel

      So many of you are against america. Against the nazi government blah blah blah. But you know what? All of you need to shut the hell up, why? You are here living in america. You are not leaving are you? You are not packing up and moving someplace else becoming some Expat? America is now an Empire. Thing are not perfect but you complaining will never change that. Those joke protests proved that point well. Left or RIght is does not matter. Deal with it.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Reply
      • Alex

        Actually, complaining has changed a lot over time. It did things like introduce women's suffrage, civil rights, and the end of the Vietnam War.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
        • Rigel

          lol. End of the vietnam war? The protests ended in 1970 we left in 75. enough said. And all those things where 40 years ago if not more. :D This is twenty eleven

          December 8, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
        • Alex

          Hey, if you want to live in a world where the public has no voice, be my guest. I guess I'm just a fool for believing that there are ways of convincing people with intelligent dialogue, instead of killing them.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
        • Arch

          Soooo the whole civil rights movement and the womens' rights movement don't count in your world?

          December 8, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    55. humtake

      I hope Captain Hindsight is called in to testify.

      The problem is, if the military would have taken away any of his rights, then you would have the other half of the country complaining about how rights are being taken away and this country sucks and blah blah blah. The only way this country will ever pull out of the hole it is in is when the public starts concentrating its energy on education, healthcare solutions, etc. instead of worrying so much about one person.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Reply
      • Retired Army in San Antonio

        @

        Dude.....you have no idea what you're talking about.

        What 'rights' are you refering to regarding this Private. if his clearence had been suspended/revoked, weapon taken away and reassignemt to less sensitive duties, then that's what should've happened and there would be no 'uproar'.

        It's obvious that you have no idea how often this does happen. Unfortunately, one slipped through the cracks, but if the Psychologist had done his job correctly.....and his his superiors had practiced due diligence, he'd have had a job passing out towels at the post gym until he was medically discharged or reclassified to a less sensitive/stressful occupational specialty.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    56. A little common sense please

      The sad fact is the Military holds on to a substantial number of soldiers that are damaged goods. When I was an active duty soldier I was surprised at the number of soldiers that were not fit for duty but were held on too. If these persons where in civilian job they would had been let go immediately.

      How can this happen well politics plays a role in the Military. Just think if the Military went through its house to clean out dead wood; it would be a significant number. The Military needs to keep its numbers up; if 5% are unfit that is a huge loss. The Military puts a lot of money into training soldiers so to weed out dead wood would also be another added cost. Plus how would it look and what would it say about our Armed Forces if the rest of us knew that unfit soldiers are enlisted. This is a very complex problem and solving it will not be simple, how do you weed out the dead wood? Can it be done before going through basic training? What processes are needed afterwards to ensure unfit soldiers are not on active duty? Then you have all the legal issues on top of that.

      I knew soldiers who were bad and unfit on purpose. You will find that the military can be a very unfair playing ground. You would find that some soldiers getting 2 to 3 times the work load of others depending on your job. At times being unfit and restricted to the barracks was much easier than working your ass off all day for someone else’s glory.

      Final note as with all organizations the leadership is responsible. Can our leaders come up with a responsible process to weed out dead would. Plus I would not restrict it to the Military. I have seen many government employees that need to be weeded out also.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Reply
    57. Mike, NH

      For those, particularly those claiming to be in the Army, defending this vermin:
      Did Manning personally review the millions of documents to ensure that they would cause no harm? Of course not.
      Was Manning capable of even making such a determiination even if he had reviewed all the documents? Of course not.
      Were all the millions of documents of a nature that they were only classified to keep embarrassing info from the public? Of course not. Eevn if some were, certainly not all were.
      Were you in a position, even if deployed, to be able to say that not a single piece of info caused any harm anywhere in the world; including 'burning' confidential sources we might need at some future date? Of course not.
      Were you, even if deployed, able to say with absolute certainty that no one was harmed anywhere based on your limited ability to see all possible impacts from your very limited vantage point? Of course not.
      Is defending someone who would put your fellow soldiers at risk incredibly bad judgement, particularly for someone in a leadership position? Absolutely. In my day NCO's had more common sense. Sad to see how far standards have fallen.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Reply
      • SFC Mike

        Hooah! You hit the nail right on the head.

        I do believe there are narrow, specific situations where leakage of material or going outside the chain of command may be justified, or even required. Those situations are few and far between, and should only involve personnel with direct personal knowledge of significant unlawful acts or orders, or significant violation of direct orders. Manning meets none of the proper criteria – he had no personnel knowledge, and just stole material en masse to prove some kind of point. He deserves nothing less than the maximum sentence under the UCMJ

        December 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Reply
        • mm

          SEMPER FI, BRO!

          December 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
      • transporter25

        Nailed it, Mike!

        It's not like Manning was some kind of whistle blower calling attention to a specific incident. He's just a spoiled kid who was angry at the Army and decided to act out in a way he thought would hurt the Army, and by extension the country he signed up to serve.

        Manning's no hero, he's a petulant brat who richly deserves punishment for breaking faith with the Army and his fellow soldiers!

        December 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    58. Richard Harris,MD

      If you want a two word summary of the Bradley Manning fiasco (and most of the other fiascos in the
      past 50 years)here it is: GOVERMENTAL INCOMPETENCE. Washington,DC,and most state capitols
      are full of law school graduates who are convinced they know everything about everything. They don't.
      In fact,most of them couldn't fix a flat tire. God Help the Republic!

      December 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Reply
      • alan seago

        My heavens, Doctor. Paint with a broad brush, do we? I would have expected a physician to write something a little more ... thoughtful.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Reply
        • Jim

          probably a proctologist...

          December 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    59. Kevininvancouver

      I don't know if this Man is ill or not. I do know this: He is the one that made me aware of the evil empire that exists just to the South of my Country. If it were not for him, I might still have a little bit of faith in the US. I do feel sorry for the guy, he will probably spend much of the rest of his life in a military jail. Every time I see his picture or read a story about him, I am reminded of the helicopter attack on that innocent group of Iraqis that were viciously gunned down as they walked down the street in their own Country by a small group of foreign invaders that had invaded their Country. Many of the people that live in my Country, Canada, consider this man to be a hero.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
      • Soo Tired

        That would make the 'many' people in your country wrong.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Reply
      • Curt

        Canada... No responsibilities in the world, protected geographically by its position surrounded by the U.S. You can afford to sit there and criticize from the peanut gallery because you never have to put yourselves out there and take any risks.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
        • Haud Nomen

          Are you aware that 158 Canadian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan? Do you know that Canada entered World War I and World War II years before the U.S. joined?

          December 8, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
      • transporter25

        Oh stop it!

        Quit pretending Manning is some kind of whistle blower trying to call attention to a specific incident. He released all the classified documents to wikileaks because he was acting out like a spoiled brat, and the helicopter incident (which is not, by the way as you paint it in your biased way, a war crime) just HAPPENED to be one of them.

        Manning's no hero – heroes commit selfless acts because they intend to do good. Manning is a spoiled brat whose intent was to do harm, and he deserves to be punished as such.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Reply
    60. steven

      I blame the military, yeah he did stupid dangerous things that may have cost others lives, but if the army KNEW he was sick they should of dealt with him. But like everything else these days, something gets ignored and when something happens everyone claims ignorance.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Reply
    61. Soo Tired

      Of course he is unstable. He is an immoral pervert. Why wouldn't he betray his country, given that he has no moral fiber or compass. By all means, repeal Don't Ask – Don't Tell. All we will get is more emotionally damaged, unstable, immoral perverts.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • Alex

        How on Earth are you conflating heterosexuality with loyalty? And by the way, I'd like to believe that loyalty to truth and honesty—infallible ideals—matters more than loyalty to a fallible nation.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Reply
      • transporter25

        I suppose I could try to point out that Manning's homosexuality has nothing to do with his actions, aside from giving him a perceived wrong to be angry about.
        I suppose I could point out the thousands of homosexuals currently serving in the military who are exemplars of loyalty and selfless service.
        I won't however, because I learned long ago that confronting bigots like you with facts is like talking to a brick wall.

        December 8, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    62. Jay

      A traitor through and through and it pleases me greatly that he will die in a military prison. I only wish that he would have been caught before causing so much damage and endangering the lives of so many others.

      I hope he enjoys his own private little hell as he wastes away for the rest of his life. :)

      December 8, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Reply
      • Pat

        I wish for you what you wish for him. You have no concept of the meaning of the word "traitor."

        December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
        • justice

          Really PAT? I think he does know the meaning. Where does it end? The more he gets away with, the more he does. Serial killers start out killing squirrles, birds, then cats and dogs, next people. At what point should the signs no longer be ignored, and the individual is handled properly? His acts most certainly crossed the lines into traitor territory. Good luck to you and that little box with no windows you apparntly live in.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
      • justice

        This treasonaous bas tard should be hung right next to JANE FONDA (That's Hanoi Jane to you vets) -

        December 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Reply
    63. Manning

      Is a hero to all "real" Americans

      December 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Reply
      • Albert E

        That must include 2 retards, to include yourself!!!!!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Reply
      • Rigel

        Define real american mr hillbillie? I was born and raised here so where my parents. I am well educated unlike you and the simple matter of the fact is he broke the law. Thats a no no in any civilization nation.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
        • Pat

          Learn how to spell the word "hillbilly" before you embarrass yourself with further posts.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    64. Ben

      Here's your whiskey, Frank.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm | Reply
    65. Rigel

      I got to be honest. I dont care what they do to him. The simple fact of the matter is he broke the law. Many laws. And if anything it gave me faith is out Diplomatic Corp.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Reply
    66. Lokari

      He was singing along to a Lady Gaga song? Yep, that clinches it – he's mentally ill.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Reply
    67. YeahISaidItSoWhat?

      Let's break this down to baseline sense: From all indications, people loyal to America may have been executed when their covert cover was blown because of the information PFC Manning leaked. The resulting word used to define the info leak PFC Manning committed is treason. Depending on the damage done by treason, the punishment is death. Only an idiot would not understand causing faithfuls to be executed is treason which is high, not low-level damage to national security. With the exception of a imbecile, anyone knows such high damage warrants the death penalty. And other than an moron, (or the coverts on the other side) one is aware the death penalty is deemed applicable punishment. Just because PFC Manning embodies the traits of said idiot, imbecile, or moron by no means should excuse him from the hangman's noose. Symbolically, when he clicked the mouse to release those classified documents, he may as well have been performing the waterboarding, squeezing the pliers on tongues, flipping the electrical switches connected to genitals, or ultimately pulling the trigger for the head shot to kill all the loyal coverts who's cover was blown. Getting his neck snapped by the noose on a rope is far too quick a demise, much too quick "lights out" for PFC Manning, the traitor. Permanent residence in Colorado at the Supermax where he s-l-o-w-l-y goes primeval and rots from the inside out by suffering near-total deprivation will be quite fitting.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
      • Alex

        Ridiculous argument. A.) You ignore the guilt of those whom he exposed, and B.) you presume that compromising someone's position is the same as killing or torturing that person.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Reply
        • chris

          How does the "guilt of those he exposed" have any bearing on HIS guilt? He still commited crimes.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
        • Cuervo Jones

          i agree that anyone who gives info is a traitor. all you're ifs and maybes dont show squat. the people selling out their own people are traitors too, scre w em

          December 8, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
      • Alex

        And while we're at it, by C.) calling for his death (needlessly strong retribution) while effectively pardoning murderers, you basically reveal your agenda: you just like murder. You clearly just want more people to be killed. Unless they themselves are murderers. Then they should be spared.

        You are a horrible, immoral, worthless human.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Reply
        • Irish Green

          Alex,

          Guess you have never served in the World's Greatest Military! There is a Department of Defense Warning Banner on SPIRNET and all U.S Government computers which reminds EVERYONE that they are subject to monitoring at all times, so there is NO EXCUSE. This man SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED in the Military! Failure of leadership on the part of others, is NO EXCUSE to conduct acts that leak CLASSIFIED info, regardless – END OF STORY! This child wearing a uniform disgraced his family! His Dad has come forth and apologized for his child! Alex – death is what he should get – by hanging – as a spy for helping the enemy! Thats the way it goes and should go!!!!

          December 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
        • Leaf on the Wind

          Alex, while extenuating circumstances (e.g., his obvious mental imbalance) may proclude the death penalty, I have to agree with Irish on this. I work for a defense contractor, and those security warnings are everywhere, even though I'm not working on anything classified myself. Every time Manning logged on to a military computer, the warnings and list of consequences of his actions were right there in his face.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
        • Alex

          You still haven't actually refuted any of the three arguments that I raised. All you've said is that you think rules are always right, and that killing people is a good idea. Oh, and that America is awesome. Nice work.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
      • Leaf on the Wind

        By that logic, former VP Dick Cheney should also be introduced to the hangman's noose for outing CIA covert operative Valerie Plame. Assets were compromised and lives were lost. If only we could actually prove it, but Cheney seems to remain above the law.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Reply
    68. Brian

      Thank you, Mr. Manning. You're a true American hero.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
      • Rigel

        How so exactly? He broke the law. And leaked top secret american documents. it does not matter why or to whom. He broke laws he will pay for it. So how is betraying his oaths as well as his Government and nation making him a hero? Understand I am no right wing army boy nutjob. Its just logical that he is a criminal.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
        • Alex

          Methinks you're getting law and morality confused, Rigel.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
      • ShutUP

        He broke the laws I risked my life to defend. Your need to get a life.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Reply
        • Irish Green

          Thank you for defending us! I stand with you! He broke many laws – and should be rightly so sent to the firing squad. Even worse, stay in prison for the rest of his life guarded by USMC! Being gay – was no excuse what so ever to reveal CLASSIFIED data and intelligence. Crazy like a fox, this animal knew what he was doing and knew it was WRONG!

          December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
      • Irish Green

        How can you be so ignorant as to call this worthless person a hero? Why don't you get away from the computer and read your history – and learn about real AMERICAN heros! U R a disgrace!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Reply
        • You

          need 2 lrn 2 spel.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Brian, I hope you're being sarcastic.

        Alex, there is no confusion here between law and morality. Manning had a security clearance, which means he took oaths and signed documents promising not to divulge the information he ultimately chose to turn over to wikileaks. Everyone with a clearances is made very much aware of the consequences of such actions.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    69. crusader12

      Manning is a national hero. Manning will probably die for exposing the SS Amerikans for who they really are. A bunch of murdering, pillaging thugs with no regard for human life or civilian casualties.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
      • Bruce in VA

        Is that what you think the Wikileaks documents show? Try actually reading them and get back to me on that murdering and pillaging.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Reply
        • Rigel

          Yea I for one grew a lot of faith in this empire. Are diplomats are rather good at their jobs.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
      • Rigel

        ahahahah. The degree of your ignorance is amazing. How was the occupy protests? Did you enjoy the mace to face? You either accept we are an Empire or gtfo. Cause it wont change. You need to shut up and pick a side. Me I pick the side that will win. As it has :).

        December 8, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        You – really have nothing to add that is intelligent. Apparently, thinking, writing and spelling seem to be your shortfall, so i would recommend you go away from the computer, and read a few books. And learn English, instead of the mubo jumbo ignorant speak your using. Amen!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Reply
    70. sgt m

      the real question is why is he being prosecuted for showing the world what was happening? alot of things are classified strictly so the public doesnt see it, not because it has a need to be classified for security. perfect example is the video released of pilots mowing down civilians and laughing about it. theres no national security reason for that being classified, and manning thought the world needed to know and he showed us, its called loyalty duty and respect – something the army preaches

      December 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
    71. Ben James

      Only those who are brain washed call Manning a traitor. We all have an obligation to stand up for truth and justice. If I take an oath to obey but it turns out that those who took my oath are mass murdering treasonous scum it is my duty to the American people to point that out in the pure light of day. To stay silent would be treason. FREE BRADLEY MANNING, A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • Curt

        A true American Dip-sh**

        December 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
        • Ben James

          Name calling: A disease caused by drinking too much Faux kool-aid.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
        • Irish Green

          I agree with you! A real one of kind – dip shXt! He joined the Army to find a husband, and got "sad" when nobody paid him attention. Then, out of mental "trama" decides to take it out on every American by saving intelligence to a CD knowing full well that he was going to leak it all. Full intent to hurt not only me, but you, and everybody, but there are some here that do not even know how disloyal this person was even to them. Cheers mate!

          December 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
      • Sgt n

        Yo Only those who is brain washed page Manning uh traitor. we's all gots an obligation ta stand up fo' truf an' justice. If ah take an oaf ta obey but it turns out dat those who took muh motha fuckin oaf is mass murdering treasonous scum it iz muh motha fuckin duty ta da American niggas ta point dat out in da pure light o' day. ta stay silent would be treason. FREE BRADLEY MANNING, uh TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!! sho 'nuff!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
        • Irish Green

          Hey sgt n ( can't image what that N could possible stand for) but maybe it be wise if you stay out of a conversation and posting nonsense ( oh, sgt Nonesense)! Instead, well, you know what you should do instead.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
        • Ruby

          Irish Green: mellow out man, can’t you see you are being put on? The post is no more than a prank.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
      • Jennifer

        A soldier who stands up to a commanding officer regarding killing innocent civilians: Hero.

        A soldier who refuses to obey an order he knows is morally and legally wrong: Hero.

        A person who randomly downloads millions of classified documents, not knowing what's in the vast majority of those documents (because who really believes this POS actually read even the vast majority of what he sent off?) and cheerfully submits them to a person who then posts them for the world to see – Traitor.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Reply
        • Irish Green

          Well said Jennifer! 100% Agree with you! Traitor's should hang – and be done with it. No need to parade this POS in trail wearing his UNIFORM!!! He should be made to wear prison jammies – he no longer has the high priveledge of wearing any uniform at all!

          December 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
        • Irish Douche

          sounds like an Army wife siting around on base wasting our tax dollars, drinking cooking wine and genuinely not knowing what the fuck she is talking about.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
        • Jennifer

          I've served in the Army. I've served in Iraq.

          Your entire argument seems like nothing more than impugning my character. If you have real information or debate to offer, I'll be glad to respond further.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
        • alan seago

          Well said, Jennifer. Many of the people who posted in favor of Private Manning don't understand that when people join the military they choose to accept some limitations on their freedoms of speech, assembly, and so on. Although it may (or may not; I'm unsure) have been acceptable for a civilian to release the documents to Wikileaks, it was most certainly neither legal nor acceptable for a soldier to do so.

          December 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
      • Tim

        I hope that little nut-job swings from his shoe laces. Traitor, coward, and a weakling. Can't wait to celebrate his death, and he will kill himself in prison, trust me. All litle cowards like him do.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Reply
        • Alex

          How's that bloodlust workin' out for you and your soul, Tim? Seriously, do you really just want people to die so you can come on yourself?

          December 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
      • Rigel

        Brainwashed? How so. See it is against the law to hand out government secrets. Its call treason. Now thats not an American thing thats a Civilization thing. Since the Sumerians it has been a bit of a no no to give away state secrets and all. So yea he betrayed the trust that was given to him in his job. That makes him a traitor who committed treason. Forgot the politics of the matter if what he did was right or wrong. What he is being tried for is that he did do it. Get it? Logic! Use your brain!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Reply
        • What if

          "Are Gub'ment Secerts" contained the knowledge of a concentration camp that was systematically executing people? Ah but you're a fucking scumbag Chicken Hawk and would probably even defend "The gratest cuntry that Baby Jesus in Heaven ever put on tha Urth" if that situation arose. Basically he leaked our soldiers vaporizing civilians with a fucking vulcan cannon and laughing about it like it was Call of Duty. Big man you are. Defending the systemic cover up MURDER. I bet you even support the Pat Tillman cover up.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
      • Rigel

        He broke the law. Exactly how is that hard to understand? We are a land of law and order. Its not perfect but do I see you packing up and moving someplace else? Nope I dont.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Reply
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Ben, I have to go with Jennifer on this one. There's a difference between disobeying, say, an order to shoot unarmed civilians and downloaded thousands of page of who-even-knows-what to an outside party. It was reckless, foolish, and dangerous to others, some of whom may have been innocent and undeserving of their resulting fate. I'm not a right-wing conservative, nor am I a total liberal, but your claim that I'm brainwashed is insulting.

        Alex, chill, you're comments are becoming disgusting. I don't agree with the death penalty, either, but I understand the emotional response of those who think Manning should hang for treason.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
    72. Todd C

      I wish everyone in the US would be required at some time in their life to take a pill that would cause them to suffer from an actual mental illness for 30 days. Then, after the 30 days are up, they should be asked whether they believe they should be held 100% responsible for everything they did during that period.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Reply
      • Jennifer

        Mental instability is not a defense.

        I have been diagnosed with PTSD, panic disorder, depression and social anxiety disorder. And yet, I still know right from wrong. I still obey the laws.

        Please think before you post utter nonsense.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
        • Todd C

          If you truly received those diagnoses, that implies you were under the care of professionals. Please don't conflate your circumstances with those of someone from whom proper medical care may very well have been intentionally withheld.

          Also your logic sucks. When a depressed person kills himself, do you dispute the causality because you were depressed and did not kill yourself?

          December 8, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
        • JJ

          Pathetic reply. You have no clue of what his medical care is at this time, or of anything else about this case. Shoo.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
        • Todd C

          And nobody on this board has any idea what was going on in his head at the time, yet that hasn't stopped them from declaring themselves judge and jury and wishing they could be the executioner..

          December 8, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
        • Jennifer

          Yes, I am receiving medical care for my conditions. Now. I suffered from these conditions for years before I sought medical help, however. And still managed not to break the law.

          Did his mental instability push him on his way to his actions? Possibly. Did he know what he was doing was wrong? Absolutely – simply the methods he used to avoid detection indicates he knew perfectly well he was wrong.

          If a person suffering from a mental condition kills another person, does that make it any less murder?

          If a criminal knows right from wrong, he is capable and should stand trial. Mental instability is no defense.

          December 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
      • Lokari

        You're not wrong. People who have never experienced it (either personally or in a friend/relative) are awfully quick to dismiss it as irrelevant, but in fact mental illness can be debilitating, and can have a profound impact on how one interacts with and perceives the world.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Reply
      • Leaf on the Wind

        Todd, once again I find myself in full agreement with Jennifer. Manning was sane enough to be in service, sane enough to be given a security clearance, and should have been sane enough to know that what he was doing was punishable under the law. I think his defense team is simply doing their job - making a case for non-accountability.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Reply
        • Todd C

          His defense is most certainly doing their job, and he may not, in fact, have been mentally ill.

          But please don't discount the possibility that he became mentally ill while on duty, and that he was no longer, in fact, sane enough to be in the service or hold a security clearance, yet his bosses explicitly ignored those facts due to personnel shortages or some other reason.

          After all, that's why we have things like trials and courts martial instead of leaving the judgment of guilt up to internet mobs with torches and pitchforks.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    73. John Morris

      I love how some see people this traitor as a hero. In reality he is anything but. The real heroes make conscious decisions about their actions, the real heroes are the men and women like my medics who placed an aid bag on their backs and a target on their cross every day. Bradley Manning was a self interested, self centered individual who acted on his own moral compass, one that has, and will inevitably lead to the loss of US lives. Some will disagree and claim that no harm has occurred, however if one possible informant is deterred by a lack of faith in their security or if one villager is dissuaded by a lack of certainty regarding their own confidentiality, than Americans service members will pay the price. Manning could have never read all of the documents he released, and as a result, he exposed that which he could never have predicted.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Reply
      • Ben James

        How much Faux kool-aid do you drink per day. Only those who are brain washed call Manning a traitor. We all have an obligation to stand up for truth and justice. If I take an oath to obey but it turns out that those who took my oath are mass murdering treasonous scum it is my duty to the American people to point that out in the pure light of day. To stay silent would be treason. FREE BRADLEY MANNING, A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
        • Curt

          Ben James, you are just as brainwashed as those posting "kill the traitor", you are just on the other side of the "whacko" spectrum.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
        • John Morris

          I love the ad hominem attacks that are leveled against someone who disagrees with other individuals. That used to be called a "Discussion." Since you failed to respond to any of my points beyond claiming that i watch "Faux" news, I'll assume that you are not worth any additional time, and are wrong outright. However since i now have 2 responses I will group my answers. 1. Bradley Manning exposed what was already known, the Collateral Kill situation involving an Apache Gunship in Rustimaya Iraq, if you read the book the good soldiers this was known well before Manning's "heroic" ventures. 2. The majority of civilian causalities were caused by insurgent forces, our ROE is so strict that it's hard to act in a manner even when US lives are on the line. 3. Those individuals within a given society are necessary in defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, and to a lesser extent now, the insurgents in Iraq. If they no longer assist us, our war is lost. This means 2 things A. The Taliban returns and insurgents gain power in Iraq, transforming a traditionally secular state to one steeped in fundamentalism. This means a drastic elimination of rights for women and chaos in the region along with 2 shell states. B. This leads to regional destabilization and genocide amongst ethnic minorities, see the Kyrgyz people as well as the Shiites. The fact is, the war is in and of itself a travesty, I understand that, I am a soldier and I have seen some horrid things, but I can say without a doubt that the parties who bear the responsibility did not wear us uniforms.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
        • Curt

          "ad hominem". Now that is impressive. You win!

          December 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
      • Alex

        Actually, John, if one informant is shaken, it won't even begin to match the number of needless murders by US soldiers that Manning exposed. Why do you assume that Americans' lives are worth more than other people's? Can you possibly, in any rational —or even Biblical— logic, argue that this is the case?

        December 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
    74. Alex

      Manning is a hero. How on Earth can people think it's bad that he revealed treachery, dishonesty, and murder?

      December 8, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Reply
      • sgt m

        exactly my point, you show the world the real stuff thats going on and they cant handle it. all they want to know is the fluffed b.s. they get to see on t.v. about how we are always the 'good guys' and never would do anything wrong.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
      • Bobby

        Complete nonsense, this SOB put many of our REAL hero’s lives at stake. He is a traitor and should be punished as such!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Reply
        • Alex

          What exactly is heroic about going to another country and killing people who are not a threat? Why is revealing injustice treason, but murder heroism?

          December 8, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
      • Sgt n

        Yo exactly muh motha fuckin point, you show da world da real sheeit thats going on an' dey cant handle it. all dey wants ta know iz da fluffed b.s. dey git ta see on t.v. 'bouthow we's is always da 'pimp-tight pimpz' an' never would do anythin` wrong Ya' know what I'm sayin'?

        December 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
      • Curt

        He had no idea what he was revealing. He just indiscriminately downloaded thousands and thousands of documents and forwarded them to Wikileaks.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    75. Jennifer

      I, also, have served in the military, including time spent in Iraq. Despite Sgt M's attempt to portray the military as supportive of this traitor, there are vast numbers of soldiers who view him less than favorably.

      Pvt. Manning is a traitor, plain and simple. He took an oath to support and defend this country...and then sold it down the river. Mental instability is no defense, he knew what he was doing, he knew that he was wrong – the efforts he went to hide what he was doing is proof of this.

      Fortunately, the military justice system is swift and sure.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Reply
      • Ben James

        How much Faux kool-aid do you drink per day. Only those who are brain washed call Manning a traitor. We all have an obligation to stand up for truth and justice. If I take an oath to obey but it turns out that those who took my oath are mass murdering treasonous scum it is my duty to the American people to point that out in the pure light of day. To stay silent would be treason. FREE BRADLEY MANNING, A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
        • Jennifer

          Ooookay. I think we know who is drinking the kool-aid here.

          If a soldier finds a document that shows individuals within the military (or even outside of the military) is behaving in any illegal activity, then yes, he has a moral obligation to shed light on that document.

          Pvt. Manning downloaded millions of documents. He didn't read what was in most of those documents. He cheerfully exposed innocent civilians, innocent informers, and law-abiding citizens to retaliation. This doesn't make him a hero. It makes him a traitor.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
        • Mike

          The only kool aid is the crap from MSNBC and Huffington post that you have been drinking. See how that works?

          December 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
        • Leaf on the Wind

          Ben, please stop making assumptions. I never watch Fox News (or MSNBC or CNN). I'm a social liberal/fiscal conservative, and I agree with Jennifer. Manning released so many documents that there is no possible way he knew everything that his actions made public. Any number of civilian informants could have been fatally compromised. How can he be a hero when he probably caused innocent lives to be lost? Even if he believed that some of our military actions were immoral on a purely human level, there were any number of other means available to him other than just pouring thousands of pages of who-knows-what out into the world.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
        • frontgate

          hahahahaha, manning is a bona-fied nut cake, certified, with papers to prove it.
          He ain't gonna get out of jail in your lifetime, dude.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
      • Irish Green

        Jennifer,

        As a Navy Veteran – I thank you for your sevice! Good for US! ! Again, I agree with you totally! The defense is playing the blame game I think! Such as " oh his Chain of Command should have known this fact about Manning, and should have done this or that for Manning, and OMG – sheeesh, where was the leadership, for the love of God! The leadership is fighting a war – not babysitting a cry baby who is sad that he didn't find a husband over seas! What a bunch of crap! Ignore the folks here that say us Veterans drank kool aid or are brain washed. Remember – we already survived folks like this before and can again! There are so many service members protecting these negative folks while they write their stinking thinking thought! Cheers and have a great Day!

        December 8, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Reply
    76. bpowell

      Yo dis here poor SOB will be in da slam fo' long long tyme.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Reply
    77. Phuk Him

      I hope he is still in isolation having to listen to the voices in his head before he hangs himself dead.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Reply
      • SGT J

        I think maybe you should hang yourself

        December 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
      • Ben James

        FREE BRADLEY MANNING, A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!! How much Faux kool-aid do you drink per day. Only those who are brain washed call Manning a traitor. We all have an obligation to stand up for truth and justice. If I take an oath to obey but it turns out that those who took my oath are mass murdering treasonous scum it is my duty to the American people to point that out in the pure light of day. To stay silent would be treason.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
        • Leaf on the Wind

          "How much Faux kool-aid do you drink per day"? Ben, how many times are you going to use that sentence on this comment thread towards anyone who disagrees with you? Broken record. One trick pony. Lack of thinking skills?

          December 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
        • mm

          And just what exactly have you stood up for, Ben James. Not even sure you could stand up to piss.
          Step away from the computer. Take your meds and get to back to bed!

          December 8, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • Irish Green

        And while in isolation – he dreams of the husband he could have had – if he had stayed a civilian. OMG – " he could have been somebody" ....Manning really made a bad choice joining our Military. Nobody likes a traitor! So many military Veterans, retired military, active duty, male, female, gay or whatever ....are calling Manning a traitor. No other way around it, he is what he is.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Reply
        • mm

          This USMC GySgt agrees with you!

          December 8, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    78. Samhain

      He's not ill. He's a weak, traitorous, gloryfag who with Julian Assange put Americans in danger. Stop following the spin CNN and try following the news.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Reply
      • sgt m

        he didnt put us in any more danger genius. i was deployed when this came out and NOTHING different happend. the real question is why is he being prosecuted for showing the world what was happening? alot of things are classified strictly so the public doesnt see it, not because it has a need to be classified for security. perfect example is the video released of pilots mowing down civilians and laughing about it. theres no national security reason for that being classified, and manning thought the world needed to know and he showed us, its called loyalty duty and respect – something the army preaches

        December 8, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Reply
        • Mike, NH

          Sarge,
          Did Manning personally review the millions of documents to ensure that they would cause no harm? Of course not.
          Was Manning capable of even making such a determiination even if he had reviewed all the documents? Of course not.
          Were all the millions of documents of a nature that they were only classified to keep embarrassing info from the public? Of course not.
          Were you in a position, even if deployed, to be able to say that not a single piece of info caused any harm anywhere in the world, including 'burning' confidential sources? Of course not.

          Hopefully, someone with such limited reasoning capacity as you have demonstrated is no longer in a leadership position in the Army. Relying on your judgement would be scary indeed, particularly when lives are at stake.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
        • Irish Green

          Mike NH this retired Navy girl loves you! I agree with your comments! Well said! That is why intelligence is "compartmented" so nobody really ever has all the pieces at any given time expect the real decision makers. I agree with Angi too – the defense is doing allot of blaming – everybody else is at fault except Manning.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
        • mm

          And this USMC GySgt is calling you out, boy! You are nothing but a troll.
          Thanks for playing. Next?!

          December 8, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
      • SGT J

        Hey moron, your making up your won facts. Nobody was in danger. The worst thing to come out of all of this was the State Department got embarrassed for talking about other diplomats behind their back and getting caught. Big deal! If you don't know what you're talking about, please keep your pie hole shut and leave the security of the nation to us, thanks!

        December 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
        • Mike, NH

          See my reply to sgt m. It's equally applicable to you. You can't possibly know whether the millions of documents caused no harm just based on the limited exposure you had to any potential impacts.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
        • Irish Green

          Hey SGT J, are you related to SGT N? Sounds like your a National Defense – decsion maker. If not, you sure know how to write like one, as if you would have access to all the intel revealed? I think not. All that data is gone baby gone, so you have read nothing and are going what the unclassified CNN wrote – OMG don't make me laugh! For your information my friend, not even I got to read all leaked, but enough to know, you know nothing of what you speak, in as far as real intelligence goes. Anyone can requote CNN – sheeesh!

          December 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
        • mm

          You are no more a member of the military then Soulja Boy.
          Game's up, you troll!

          December 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    79. Kevininvancouver

      This is one of the few Americans that I like.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Reply
      • Curt

        You can have him.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Reply
        • N8 in BC

          Ok, set him free and send him on up here please :)

          December 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
        • Curt

          N8... sending him to Canada would be cruel and unusual punishment. We are not barbarians.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    80. Bill

      Execute him for treason.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Reply
      • Jake in CO

        cheers....

        December 8, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Reply
      • Alex

        Funny how you don't find the wanton murder of innocents by soldiers to be a problem, but instead you think someone who tells people about it deserves to die. You have succinctly demonstrated that really, what you want is just more killing. You are a horrible human being.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Reply
      • Forest

        he is a hero

        December 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
      • N8 in BC

        Kill someone for selflessly exposing the lies of your own government? Yeah, that makes sense.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Reply
      • SGT J

        Treason is the hardest crime in the country to prove. Maybe we should try you for stupidity.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
        • Irish Green

          There you go again! No its not. Treason – is simple! A member of the U.S military during WAR – on duty, collecting classified data and revealing to injure the United States of America! See, that is easy to see. All the other stuff means nothing. Note that I didn't even mention Manning gave an Oath to defend – protect – but that was just gravy proving treason!!!

          December 8, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
        • mm

          Maybe we should try you for trying to be something you're not, never have been and never will be.
          The closest you've come to being in the military is playing with your GI Joe's.
          Now, step away from the computer and move on, son.

          December 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    81. the Voice of Reason

      "rocked in the fetal position"?

      That's funny. My girlfriend is a psychologist and she noticed similar rocking from President Bush at the time of the September 11th attacks.

      Jus' sayin'…

      December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Reply
      • hahah your funny

        Thats funny I was banging this psychologist who said her soon to be ex-boyfriend had a small d*ck.

        Jus' sayin'…

        December 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Reply
    82. JJC

      This should not stop with this soldier. Why was proper security not followed?

      "The Army had become too comfortable working on SIPRNet while deployed," which "bred some complacency because of the ease of access," one witness told Coombs.

      Seems like a failure of senior management, ie the officers. Since when are officers not held responsible for their soldiers actions? Manning should be locked away for life, but all of the officers in this area should be held responsible for allowing an immature low ranking individual unfettered access without any supervision or any way to track what was happening. Is it really this unorganized in our military? We have more checks and balances in our small business than it appears the military does.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Reply
      • Grumpy Granny

        Finallly, someone who gets the idea that accountability does actually apply to military leaders. In some respects, Manning is more of a victim of a system that encourages leaders to not make waves, keep operations running smoothly and never tell the boss the real truth. I wonder if Manning was unstable before he was accepted into military service but was needed to fulfill the all important recruiting goals. Let's not pretend the military services are perfect when they recruit members. But could everyone at least try to have an honest conversation about the weakest members of our society who should never be accepted into military service. Everyone fails when that happens.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        JJC, agree with you on that point! I am in the Information Assurance (IA) field – a certifer for DoD Networks. I was horrified at what I read! Not knowing you need an ATO nor follow the DIACAP !! What the heck was going on there? The answer I come up is that during a War as horrific as these, I have no problem with recreational music, movies, etc to boost morale and take a soldiers mind off work for a few hours so he can maintain. All this should have occured on stand-alone computers, not SPIRNET. I think I may have a job with Army! The lack of IA training for those in charge of the SCIF is also a very very significant point. And, regardless of all that, there is the DoD Warning Banner that does inform folks – but ATLAS, I wonder if that was even present on the computers! WoW – lots of costly mistakes overall that should be looked into after Manning is shot before a firing sqad for treason.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • NN

        Yes, it is just that bad. The United States military is a chaotic cesspoll rife with bad leadership, bad people all around. The idea that nearly anyone with a clearance had access to such a large database without the need to know proves the point. And this is not confined to the Army. The Navy, Air Force, and all other departments and agencies withing DoD are as bad or worse. Sailors playing cards and smoking dope in the CIC turning off EW alarms with incoming Exocets, marijuana ashes found in missile launch silo contol rooms, psychopathic evangelicals rampaging all over the place disrupting government fucntion, a pathetic joke of a bureaucratized personnel system,..the list is endless.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    83. Lean6

      I see it all the time...people with some combination of guns, badges, access, and authority who should not have guns, badges, access, and authority. This problem certainly is not limited to military personnel. I don't want some agency crawling further up my rectum than they already do now for a security clearance. It is what it is. You have human beings wearing uniforms and being given opportunities to introduce failure into complex operations. We will never be able to control everything. People are involved because even without as large a spread of dynamic unpredictability, they haven't even found a way to make computers fail-proof.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Reply
      • Alex

        Lean6 — maybe the people who shouldn't have the guns are the ones who, you know, gun down innocent civilians. All that Manning did was reveal that others were doing this.

        Seriously, military people: why do you get off on killing? What kind of upbringing did you have?

        December 8, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Reply
        • JeffinIL

          News Flash, Alex, the military trains you to kill. Not fight, to kill. If you have a rifle or machine gun, it is for killing. War is ugly, nasty and should be a last resort. Instead, there are currently "rules" that have turned it into a mere game. It's no game.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
        • Alex

          Right, so why would anyone join the military? It is a fundamentally evil organization if its role is to kill. And furthermore, people who sign up for it are willingly stepping outside the moral code, and deserve absolutely no protection. None.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
        • Jeremy

          A very good upbringing actually. And your rhetoric about all the military gunning down innocent civilians is a load of BS. In almost every case where soldiers have 'murdered' someone they are punished. I'm sure some of them get away with it, but very few. You'll probably come back with some diatribe about how we have no right to be over there, blah, blah, blah. If i remember correctly, we didn't start this fight. If you are such a bleeding heart, go and volunteer in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, etc... See where it gets you.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
        • Curt

          We are talking about an intelligence analyst here, not a trigger-puller.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
        • Lean6

          Alex, your views are far too simplistic. By your logic, you should never have an excuse to even raise your fists. If you had some strong degree of certainty that someone was going to harm your family, you should just run. Don't think about taking that person out if given the chance prior, just run. Since incapacitating that threat is not an option for you, whatever you'd do, he'd simply just keep coming anyway, so run. Let me guess...your answer is to pick up the phone and call someone trained to kill...?

          December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
        • JeffinIL

          And without a military you would have no protection. None.
          You wish to live in an ideal world where there are no armies or war. Who doesn't? The problem is, we don't live in that world.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
        • Alex

          Actually, no. The response to violence is nonviolence. Violence collapses on itself. On 9/12/01, I wrote an op-ed urging no military response, urging us to use the restraint not to fight back, not to justify the killing in the eyes of those who attacked us. Yes, I'm a pacifist. Yes, I'm an anarchist. I don't mind having a military if their purpose is to build bridges and offer humanitarian aid; I don't think you need guns to do those things. I'm not an idiot—I hold a Ph.D. and am a teacher. I just happen to believe that you don't create peace in the world by killing.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
        • Lean6

          Alex, calling the military a fundamentally evil organization is an extreme position from which you can't even see the other side. The characterization of pacifist in my opinion speaks of a nature that doesn't exude leadership...you cannot lead from the margins. Leadership sometimes requires the ability and willingness to make tough decisions and sacrifices that others are not willing to make. I think the world needs the extremists (pacifists and tyrants) as beacons or cautions of what to avoid. Leaders had to step in to clean up Manning's mess and continue on with the business of operating in a cruel real world.

          December 8, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
        • Irish Green

          Who are you to insinuate that military service members didn't have appropriate unbringing! Insulting our parents – now what does that say about your own character flaws? If you no longer have anything really important to add, stay away – because insulting families is showing a lack of something on your part!

          December 8, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • Lean6

        Alex, you're naive if you think that you can control an army of armed men without protocol. There are internal processes whereby Manning could have and should have blown the whistle. We call it the Inspector General (IG) Hotline, not Wikileaks. IGs don't mess around, because all they have is their reputation for swift and decisive resolution in getting people on the front lines separated by military brass to pick up the phone and drop a dime. Manning is a traitor that did nobody any favors. He just scores of people's lives in danger.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Reply
        • Alex

          I somehow think the IG wouldn't have publicized this killing. Taxpayers need to know when their money is paying for murder.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
        • Lean6

          Tell me how a population frothing at the mouth about things that they really cannot influence is beneficial. You had best believe that the military (a direct cross-section of society) is a lot more scrupilous than they were decades ago, and that is because of evolving protocol and self-policing, not media exposure...that's why the Wikileaks thing was big news...it's not normal information fed to the media. Americans supported their military and supported their Presidents until Americans it was more beneficial to turn them into non-cohesive political pawns...some voluntarily. You may think that you are of the rebel brand, but you have neutralized yourself. A manger full of screaming sheep are still sheep.

          December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
        • wompasdub

          Wow Lean6... The tax payers (I am one of them) should be hearing about the senseless killing that goes on and is funded by our tax dollars. You must be incredibly brainwashed. We shouldn't be hearing the endless propoganda from the military.. I don't particularly agree we should end all military but in my opinion they've gotten out of control and war is only about one thing: business – so save all your nonsense about me not being a patriot and me going to volunteer in syria or afghanistan etc. People like you are far more dangerous than someone like bradley manning because it's people like you that enable orwellian style government just because you're afraid of some random threat to make you feel scared and in need or protection.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
        • Lean6

          wompasdub, it's people like YOU who are too ignorant to realize that very little of what appears in the paper or over the airways isn't "fed" to the media in the first place. Some of what you've said is beyond naive...it's infantile. There are reasons that Presidents turn grey and age at three times the normal rate when they take office and get the guns pointed at their heads. Difference between you and me is that I don't presume to think that I fully understand those reasons, nor am I foolish enough to call the threats among those reasons "random". Go pick flowers.

          December 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    84. Jake in CO

      Bradley Manning is traitor and should be executed as one..... He is not crazy.......just stupied

      December 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Reply
      • steve harnack

        Look up irony.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Reply
      • Forest

        wow you are really brainwashed lol I imagine as long as you have your "football and beer" everything will be ok.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Reply
        • Jake in CO

          You must know what it means to serve your country and the oath that you take.

          December 8, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    85. Curt

      This story brings out both ends of the simpleton spectrum, both of them crying foul! The religiously patriotic "kill em' all" crowd and the the America-hating conspiracy theorists can't accept that their hero was really just a stupid immature kid.

      December 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Reply
      • jim

        Well said.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Reply
    86. sgt m

      anything to continue smearing this poor kid. right after he started making news they were already claiming 'hes a loner and his girlfriend left him' and all kinds of b.s. that doesnt matter. im in the military and we actually talked quite a bit about this situation when i was overseas, there are many of us who seem him as a true patriot. he exposed war crimes, something the u.s. is supposedly against and now he is being throw to the wolves for it. i was in afghanistan when all this started happening and you know what difference it made? absolutely none, no changes during our patrols, thousands more soldiers didn't die from this as the media kept trying to tell people would happen. bradley manning stands for the truth, like every American should.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:56 am | Reply
      • RealityCheck

        He's not being 'smeared', this is coming from his own defense team. It looks like there were breakdowns in command and other misses, but none of that makes what he did legal.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Reply
      • mm

        You are not, nor have you ever been in the military.
        Swerve!

        December 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Reply
      • mm

        What do you know about standing up for anything. Hell, you couldn't stand up to piss if you had to.
        This USMC GySgt is calling you out, boy. You are not a member of the military nor have you ever been. The closest you've come is playing with your GI Joe's.
        Now, step away from the computer and stop trying to rep those you know nothing about.

        December 8, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Reply
    87. Christopher

      I think he should get a congressional gold medal for exposing the connivance of our supposed leaders who are selected for us by the controlling elite. For once we got the truth instead of the political song and dance. This document dump did more to convince me my impression of the incompetence and corruption of the government was about as I suspected than any CNN mouthpiece newscast would have. It confirmed my suspicions of the Wars all along. We need more Bradley Mannings a cleaning of the house in Washington and CEO boardrooms.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:54 am | Reply
      • Curt

        Sorry, but what U.S. government corruption was exposed by the documents? There was ONE potential law of armed conflict violation (hind-sight 20/20, armchair quarterbacking by Julian Assange), and a bunch of diplomatic cables privately reporting the curruption of middle east leaders back to the U.S. government.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Reply
      • Curt

        When I saw you use the words, "controlling elite" I should have just stopped reading.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    88. Dick Lepre

      No problem. Adrian Lamo was on it.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:52 am | Reply
    89. AL

      This poor excuse for an American is not sick, got to love lawyers, let's put smoke into the picture so that the real TRAITOR is not displayed for all to see. No this guy is not sick, he took an oath and he betrayed it and all that have taken the oath, he should be executed by a firing squad as it calls for during a time of military action.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:52 am | Reply
      • Alex

        What about the soldiers who took an oath not to gun down civilians? You sure have a lot of bloodlust...

        December 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Reply
    90. OurGovernmentSux

      As if anyone is telling the truth about this. He will be railroaded, processed, and forgotten. Even with his mental incapacitates.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:52 am | Reply
    91. Bennycat

      You have to be "sick" to have a conscience in the US military? I think this is what we used to call a "show trial" when it was carried out in the USSR. Come to think of it, this might be a good time to contemplate what ultimately happened to the USSR.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
    92. Cody

      I don't see how their defense is a defense... he acted strangly, so it's okay to devulge military secrets to the enemy! Or... it's normal to store Lady Gaga on the drive, so it should be okay to give military secrets to the enemy. Am I missing something?

      December 8, 2011 at 11:49 am | Reply
      • pzanga

        On your first point, the defense is saying that the military did nothing to prevent a person known/suspected to be mentally unstable from accessing highly classified information. And secondly, the military ignored obvious security issues in allowing soldiers to upload/download unauthorized files alongside sensitive data. It may not exonerate him, but it is a significant mitigating factor.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        Also Cody, chiming in with Pzanga, Manning should not have had access to the files. He didn't have " need to know" nor "need to access". Had the shop been doing their jobs, they should have reviewed the audit data and found out Manning was accessing and downloading files. When logging in to a computer as he was, his user id begins a trail, an audit trail, and all his illegal and traitorous activities should have been caught had the others in charge of the security features of the computer – did their job. However, the insider threat as this is called – attempts to negate a threat like Manning buy investigating him in the first place. And when someone witnessed his "mental drama – sickness" he should have immediately lost acces to the network. Sometimes, the insider threat is more real than an outsider sending a virus.

        December 8, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Reply
    93. I SERVED...

      Who cares.... he's a TRAITOR!

      December 8, 2011 at 11:49 am | Reply
    94. Albert E

      He is a traitor and should be rewarded as traitors are with the "Noose". Bad NEWS Manning, in Leavenworth if they execute military personnel they use hanging. I have personally seen the hangman's noose, real neat and bound in smooth hemp and leather. Fitting end to a POS Traitor!!!!! MAY YOU REST IN PEACE, MANNING!!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
      • steve harnack

        Sick b**tards like you worry me way worse than Manning does.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
      • N8 in BC

        The way you described that... you are a very sick and unstable person. I'd rather have people like you off the streets than people like Manning.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm | Reply
      • Irish Green

        Amen! That's it! May his remains be sent to a landfill in VA ( by mistake) oops! OH MY – I am dangerous too ! I am in good company will all here that see this Traitor what who he is and in what he had done! Everything else in this matter, is all second place!

        December 8, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Reply
    95. zombie kid

      I like FIRSTY turtles.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
    96. JOEL

      Well looks like his defense team is digging deep to use an insanity defense. Either he is or he isn't. Mental stability is not a defense. Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on whose side you are on)it will not work. PFC Manning knew his actions would have consequences. What is his defense team thinking????

      December 8, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
      • Angi

        His defense team knows he is guilty. They are using the insanity angle to save him from the death penalty, that's all.

        December 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Reply
    97. Sparky

      I'm Koo Koo for Coo Coo Puffs!!!

      December 8, 2011 at 11:45 am | Reply

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