NATO’s perilous Kunar mission
November 28th, 2011
10:27 AM ET

NATO’s perilous Kunar mission

By Tim Lister

The mistaken NATO air attack on Pakistani military outposts at the weekend, in which 24 soldiers were killed, was an accident waiting to happen.

The border between Pakistan and the Afghan province of Kunar is probably the most volatile of the entire 1,500-mile frontier that divides the two countries. It is rugged, remote and home to a variety of insurgent groups – including the Taliban (both Afghan and Pakistani), al Qaeda, the Haqqani Network and the Hezbi Islami Group run by veteran warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. In the words of one Afghan analyst, Kunar represents "the perfect storm."

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In addition to the sheer number of insurgents in Kunar, the border with Pakistan – amid peaks and ravines – is not clearly marked, and in some places disputed.

Nor was it the first such accident. On June 10th 2008, US troops and their Afghan allies engaged Taliban fighters some 200 yards inside Afghanistan – along the same stretch of border. Grainy video from a U.S. surveillance drone that day showed a half-dozen Taliban retreating into what the US military said was Pakistani territory. Several air strikes followed using precision bombs. The U.S. military insisted none hit any structure. But Pakistan maintained eleven soldiers were killed and described the attack as "completely unprovoked and cowardly."

That incident took place in daylight; the firefight at the weekend was at night. And since 2008, the border between Kunar and the Pakistani tribal agency of Mohmand has become even more violent. Attempts by U.S. forces to build combat outposts close to the border have provoked firefights lasting several hours; resupply convoys are greeted with roadside IEDs and ambushes.

To further complicate the picture, Pakistani forces frequently fire artillery into Kunar against Pakistani Taliban elements who use Afghan territory. At least one senior Pakistan Taliban leader, Mullah Fazlullah, is said to take refuge in Kunar after being driven out of Pakistan's Swat Valley in 2009.

In June, Pakistani shells hit a number of Afghan homes in eastern Kunar, killing several people, including two children. The barrage prompted the Afghan Defense Ministry to warn that "Pakistan should understand that there will be a reaction for killing of Afghan citizens." The Pakistani government alleged that NATO helicopters had destroyed a military outpost in response to the shelling. But the shelling has continued.

This part of the border is of growing importance to insurgent groups, especially since the allied offensive in southern Afghanistan has pushed them out of parts of Kandahar and Helmand provinces. They use Pakistani territory for resupply and as a rear base out of reach of allied forces. After withdrawing from isolated valleys in Kunar (including the Korengal valley, where the documentary 'Restrepo' was filmed), NATO has begun to reinforce its presence in this area.

As he left Afghanistan in July, General David Petraeus said gains in the south would allow coalition forces to shift their focus to the provinces of the east. To some analysts, that is a case of "too little, too late." In a Carnegie paper titled "Afghanistan: The Impossible Transition," Gilles Dorronsoro argues that "despite a lack of U.S. interest in these regions, their strategic importance is infinitely greater than that of Helmand or even Kandahar.

"The importance of the Eastern Triangle is due to its location between the capital and the Pakistani insurgent sanctuaries, and its importance in facilitating the passage of insurgents from Pakistan," Dorronssoro writes.

Insurgents have also been successful in Kunar in picking off local leaders who have worked with the government and the U.S. In April, one such tribal leader, Malik Zarin, was killed in a suicide bomb attack. A former governor of Kunar and a close associate of President Hamid Karzai, he had been a hero of the mujahideen resistance against the Soviets.

In southern Afghanistan, U.S. forces have invested heavily in a counter-insurgency strategy otherwise known as "clear, hold, build." The "build" part is designed to win over Afghans and sap support for the Taliban. As U.S. forces prepare for a substantial drawdown between next year and 2014, such an ambitious approach is not feasible in the 'wild east' of Afghanistan – although Kunar has in recent years seen multi-million dollar reconstruction projects.

Now the focus is "counter-terrorism," and a large part of the mission is to combat infiltration into Kunar and neighboring Nangahar province from Pakistan. It is a mission fraught with peril, according to many observers, not least because local intelligence is hard to come by in a large area where few troops are on the ground and where insurgent groups have so much influence over the local population. And where many engagements are within a mile of the Pakistani border.

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  1. OB.

    SoS...not even a different story, Yawn on Both Accounts.

    November 29, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Reply
  2. RAVEN

    she in alkska climbing mountains and shooting baers :)

    November 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Reply
    • Timothy

      Hey Raven, Are you typing "Ebonics"? LMAO Seriously, you should learn to use your spell checker. It will help you from looking like an idiot with a computer...

      November 30, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Reply
  3. Khan

    Please, think out of the box, blaming Pakistan for your failures is not the easy way out. You invaded Afghanistan in the name of 9/11 though none of the attackers where from Afghanistan or Pakistan, they were all Saudis. Apart from that saying that Pakistani soldiers fired first , shows the public opinion is made by your media itself. The Pakistani check post were inside Pakistan 2.5KM away from Afghan border... So even if you say Pakistani fired first why don't NATO have any casualties? this clearly shows they were defending there post, even if you fire a bullet from an AK-47 its range is still 2KM. either way WAR is not a good thing to ask for. But it is inevitable as the situation seems to be escalating. They say before declaring a real WAR, propaganda WAR is prerequisite.

    November 29, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • Timothy

      The Pakistani's are harboring the Taliban and many other Terrorist's. The Taliban cross into Afghanistan to create trouble then run back across the border to blend in with the Pakistani's, many times they return to Pakistan and intermingle with Pakistani Army Troops. This has been going on for years and IF Pakistan was a true Allie in The War on Terror, they would stop this and they have the ability to do so, but they refuse to take any action ? Pakistan wants our money but they could not care less who gets killed. This is just another PR stunt by their Government to obtain more financial aid. Financial Aid that is used to kill NATO Troops...

      November 29, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Reply
    • Timurlane

      Pakistani's are evil, satanic people.

      November 30, 2011 at 3:16 am | Reply
      • Khan

        Americans are the biggest terrorist, you just invade a country in the name of liberating them? Americans are the biggest back stabbers, oh just in-case your history is poor it was the US who created Al-Qaida to fight against the USSR by the help of Pakistani and when your aim was achieved, you abandon everyone... Pakistan went through all the aftermaths being flooded by Afghans, our economy destroyed, Also do not forget 1971 when Pakistan was the closest ally of US, and were told that US is coming for help, outcome? nothing no one came for help and Pakistani end up with many losses.

        November 30, 2011 at 5:16 am |
      • Noor

        Let me make this VERY clear to an American like you. WE ARE NOT EVILS. These are the American policies that never work out. It has been 10 years that your army is in Afghanistan but SHAME their policy never worked. Which is why they are targeting Pakistan because Pakistan is a land-locked country. What has America done to Libya, to the Euro crisis, to the debt crisis in America itself. OBL was never in Pakistan, this was just a game played by the Obama staff so he can put an image over you Americans for votes next year. If I ever play to you the videos of the widows, of the mothers of young people who died in Drone Attacks, of those who have been martyred then you'll burst into tears. Have a heart and never call any one else evil or satanic until and unless you don't know deep about them. War is just meaningless, you're part of youth in America & I, here in the beautiful Pakistan. We both should raise voice for a common goal so generations coming up don't curse each other for the past. We should hope & pray & raise our voice for a peaceful friendship between the two countries.

        December 10, 2011 at 5:16 am |
      • Kanhaiya

        NAZIA HASSAN yes the most beautiful women may she rest in peace,still have her song dum de,and main hesean on my list,where is dr.shahista and neeila tv actress whoz new and our model maheen syed,and we ppl have many pretty girls even walkin in liberty market our public has beautiful features and they are fair if thy go to india ant girl she will stand awt in thr dark crowd i went thr nd i got shockd ppl who r lil better r on tv in india n in pak its opposite all gud lukin ppl dont cum on tv

        May 21, 2012 at 2:54 am |
    • Timothy

      The US did not create Al'Qiada... The US had O'Sama Bin Laden on their payroll during the Afghan war with the Russians. Bin Laden created Al'Qiada. Where were the terrorists of 9-11 trained? Afghanistan for course. Pakistan is aiding the Al'Qiada terrorists and the entire world knows it. Why do you think that the US idid not tell Pakistan about the raid to kill Bin Laden before it happened? Because every other time that we told the Pakistani's of the where a bouts of a terrorist, Pakistan warned them before hand and they were able to flee. There is NO way that the Pakistani's did not know that Bin Laden was in Pakistan. They were hiding him. Like all the tribes/gangs in that area of the world, they will be your friend as long as you are giving them cash, otherwise they will kill everyone in your house including women and children. Most Pakistani's just want to be able to live, work and eat. It is just the few who are the criminals and of course those who control the Pakistani Military... It is not the Muslim population that is hated by the Western World, it is the Muslim Extremists that are killing everyone in the name of their God Allah...

      November 30, 2011 at 11:45 am | Reply
      • Khan

        You are just saying exactly what your media has fed you. I will not blame you for that, OBL was on CIA payroll, they paid him so much so he can create a group of fighters who can counter USSR. BTW it was the ISI who gave the lead to CIA for OBL, as per my knowledge OBL died few years ago, if you ever cared to follow the NEWS from MIDEAST I clearly read that Bin ladin family prayed his funeral. US govt. lied to their nation just because elections are looming and want public support, why dint they show the video of OBL being killed? where they showed Saddam's execution why not OBL which is most hated by US? and on top of that the TEAM 6 which killed him, some how died in so called Taliban fire? the first i would say in 10years?

        December 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
      • Timothy

        The ISI would never give a tip like Bin Ladens whereabouts to the US. There were elements within the ISI that were hiding him and this is a fact. Why do you think that Pakistani Army Troops are moved from Unit to Unit so frequently, and the same within the ISI. None of them can be trusted within their own organization(s)... You are correct in that the CIA did create Bin Laden as a weapon against the Russians but once that war was over he needed to fight someplace so he was welcomed by the Taliban in Afghanistan. They currently get most of their money from rich Saudi's and the Opium Poppies grown in Afghanistan. The Pakistani Army has been rendered useless against the Taliban because they are friends and the Taliban are constantly in the Pakistani Army camps? Mark my words my friend, when the US finally stops giving aid to Pakistan, she will fall to the Taliban and then you will really have problems over there. The funny thing about it is that the Taliban are no longer welcomed in Afghanistan but they are welcomed by many in Pakistan. I feel sorry for the innocent civilians who live in the areas because they are the ones who are ultimately going to have to deal with the problems...

        December 1, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
  4. rk from US

    next time ..pakis...pl have your taliban lead NATO all the way to ISI headquaters...hahahahah

    November 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Reply
  5. mmi16

    Along the Afgahn-Pakistan border there are no innocents – on either side.

    November 29, 2011 at 4:33 am | Reply
  6. QuietStormX

    From what I understand these helicopters fired after being shot at. What about that? What do you expect? To be shot up or out of the sky and do nothing to prevent this. So all I hear are cry babies. were there really hurt solders who did not shoot at these Copters... ( Shoot at me, I shoot back)

    November 28, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Reply
    • Khan

      The Pakistani Check post is 2.5 KM away from the Afghan border. Your media itself is giving contradicting reports, saying the special forces got stuck which shows they were on Pakistani soil and then asked for air support like cowards? why aren't they naming the units involved and for what purpose? just blindly saying they were in hot pursuit does not justify the NATO actions. The media is sometime saying that NATO was under fire and for the record the action lasted for 2 hours, why din't NATO receive any casualties if the the Pakistani attacked first according to you which is a regular Army unlike poorly trained Talibans who also lack resources at times. Anyway Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of empires, prepare yourself to add a new name in list :)

      November 29, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Reply
      • Alexander

        America might be an Imperialistic nation but that doesnt mean we will lose...you are wrong it is the weaker nations and people who will lose those who think that acts of violence which kill children are the acts of a "god" ha. no your "god" is false you are pathetic f*** the taliban and f*** you

        November 30, 2011 at 11:37 am |
      • Khan

        @ Alexander: "They say an empty vessel makes the most noise", I pity you, you are still living a dream. The truth soon will be out and you will live to see the day as reality will be unfolded in front of your very own eyes, That's why they are creating this hype of 2012, just wait till next year. Mark my words. Have a good day :)

        December 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
  7. JOE

    @ billgme

    I would have responded to your comments earliet but CNN had moved the page. How do you say that Dick Cheyney has
    been gone for three years when he continues to go on national TV and criticize and blame President Obama for the crisis that he, GWB and the GOP left at the White House door steps? It seems to me like Dick Cheyney is still on the political scene campaigning for the GOP. So how dare you say that Dick Cheyney has been gone for three years when he continues to weigh in on the issues and attack the Obama administration? No, Dick Cheyney never left!

    November 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Reply
    • Alex

      I remember that Dick Cheney was symbolically driven out in a wheelchair on January 20, 2009 during the Inauguration of President Obama.

      November 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Reply
    • Mark

      @ Joe... I agree with yu about Cheney not being gone since he continues to weigh in on world events.. yet what about Clinton (Bill)?? he does the exact same thing....

      November 29, 2011 at 9:43 am | Reply
  8. michaelfury

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-ones-who-attacked-us/

    November 28, 2011 at 11:54 am | Reply
    • Guru

      Michael Fury, NO. Michael Nutcase YES!

      November 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Reply
  9. cookie monster

    Hey wait... Just give the war some more time! Israel vs. Iran and USA vs. Pakistan!!! Let’s just start WW3 already... we all sense it coming...

    November 28, 2011 at 11:52 am | Reply
  10. Kenneth Mitchell Noonan

    War never changes.... -Fallout
    They always try to justify war. Their is no justifications for atrocities such as killing civilians. War is war. And it will always be horrendous. I love war. What people don't get is there is no honor in war. Morals and standards fall like skin on a human in the wake of an atomic bomb. War is shows the truth about people. People will throw away their promises. War is this. Killing the enemy before they kill you, or your loved ones. I'd say now to drop a Tsar-like nuke bomb on Pakistan just to shut them the fuck up, with all their lies and surreptitious actions. People may dislike what I say, but I hate fake moral people who say one thing and mean another. They are scared of America but won't go out and say it. I'd kill them without the slightest of remorse. I dislike my government, but I hate theirs.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
    • Howard

      Dude...Fallout rocks..nice quote...great message!

      November 28, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
      • World Bot

        In all honesty most everyone in America is hating on the Government. This is nothing new, but we have as a nation have settled into this almost Nazi like mind set willingly. We have easily given up our freedoms slowly in the name of "Secruity". When you are never going to be 100% safe no matter what. An as far as bombing a Country fror having fake morals perhaps we need to clean up our own backyard first. Is that solution simply bombing the crap out of your own people? No.

        November 29, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
  11. Exiled1

    More and more I believe we should let these people live in the Bronze Age like they seem to enjoy doing. I understaand the human rights issues and genuine need for infrastructural help ,but something tells me they really wouldn't take to the Kabul Starbucks anyway. Let's just thank them for letting us play in their dirt pile and let them go back to the ass-backward way of living they are accustomed to.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • Rene

      Hey pig....they never asked for filthy yankee boots to invade there country to "civilize them"...they were happy as they were before the empire invaded...bet they prefer to be in peace and under taliban rule then live in war because of western greed. Cant believe how you and many dumb yankees like yourself dont see that a handfull of capitalist pigs invaded for there natural resources....fools you are..

      November 30, 2011 at 12:45 am | Reply
  12. JOE

    Dick Cheyney said he has "No Regrets Whatsoever." Well, these senseless casualties are still occuring and the Afghan war is still ongoing simply because Dick Cheyney and these same Republicans in congress deliberately and recklessly abandoned and prolonged the Afghan war to start their illegitimate Iraqi war. First of all and with all due respect, the Pakistinian government and people earn the right to be angry and critical of us for these casualties and as Americans we should all honor and respect their right to express their discontent. Secondly, its time people like Dick Cheyney and the GOP be held accountable for their actions that have led to our woes at home and abroad. And its time the fricking Democratic Party wakes to hell up and start opening their fricking mouths and start doing their job before we end up being nuked by Pakistan, Russia or China. I'm calling on you Democrats to wake to hell up and do the job you idiots were elected to do for crying out loud. And let me remind you disingaged and lackadaisical Democrats in congress that it is your failure to step forward and speak out against the GOP's failed and misguided foreign and domestic policies that have inadvertently led to them winning the midterm on their own failed and broken record in the first place. Please Democrats, wake to hell up and start doing your fricking job.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • PrickyMartin

      Obama lied pakistanians died.

      He was suppose to end this war 3 years ago but found his hand stuck in the militaryindustrialcomplex cookie jar that bush left open.
      Obama your out man.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:49 am | Reply
      • toobigfish

        Obama, during his campaign said he would end the Iraq War and continue the Afghan war as that was where the terrorists actually were based. He's pretty much done that. Of course he also gave the order to capture/assassinate Osama Bin Laden without Pakistani approval which he also said during his campaign. I'd say he was pretty consistent and successful in that area of his foreign policy.

        November 29, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • billgme

      What is your problem? Dick Cheney has been gone for 3 years. Obama and Hillary have pursued a foriegn policy that is even more aggressive than the Bush administration.

      November 28, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    • Davethecanuck

      @billgme
      "What is your problem? Dick Cheney has been gone for 3 years. Obama and Hillary have pursued a foriegn policy that is even more aggressive than the Bush administration."

      Lmao... wow, some people just see exactly what they need to see.

      What exactly is your definition of agressive... seems to be whatever is convenient for you.
      I'm assuming you are using the expansion of the drone program as the excuse you need to label this administration as being more agressive.
      I think others would say that the administration who INVADED TWO COUNTRIES would be considered a tad more agressive than the administration who simply changes or uses new tactics in a war it inherited.

      I love how some republicans act as though any argument that consists of blaming the previous administration is somehow invalid... what's worse is how accepted sentiments similar to "Dick Cheney has been gone for 3 years" have become.
      Oh, wow... 3 years!
      What major nation/world wide problem can't be fixed in three years, right!

      November 29, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  13. HBar

    Doesn't GPS work there? Sorry. This entire debate is reserved for the unwitting.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:05 am | Reply
    • sharath

      I see the twist the story is given here. May be its true PAK soldiers were fighting Taliban in that region. But I remain highly skeptical given the how similar its military behavior has been for the past 20-25 years. Shelling of villages targeting Taliban is what they say, they also have been giving some excuse for shelling the Kashmir border villages for 20 years but always the reason is to create a diversion so that militants can sneak through unnoticed. They have used this tactic for decades now, and it is hard to believe they have been doing anything else even here.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:28 am | Reply
    • Bill Duke

      GPS works fine. There just isn't any difference between Pakistani Army and the Taliban/terrorists. They are the same people and are supported by the same Pakistani /ISI government. Remember that Osama Bin Laden was living only yards from the Pakistani Military Academy. That didn't happen by accident.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
      • Tanweer

        You need to start reading some other newspapers besides CNN and FOX. What the hell do you know about Pakistan?

        November 28, 2011 at 11:40 am |
      • Mike

        Tanween: You better add the BBC to your list of sources to be ignored. They recently reported that the Taliban (the Afghan version, not the home-grown one attacking Pakistan) and the Pakistani Army often operate checkpoints within yards of each other and that a major Taliban HQ was located at the bottom of a small hill, less than 1km (1000 yards), from the local Pakistan border patrol HQ (in an old British fort on the hilltop).

        November 28, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
      • sunny

        Bill and mike you are absolutely on that.America and rest of the world should declare pakistan a terrorist country.Pakistan considered osama as their big brother and if the big brother does anything wrong,he will be pardoned as he is a muslim.Osama was in the pakistan eversince the war started,the whole world knew except for america.Tanweer says what do we know about pakistan?Yes he is right!!!!!!!!!!! We did'nt know osama was living there?That pakistan is a terrorist country?That pakistan is begging for alms from the world?That they are begging indian govt for locomotive engines?That United states will and can kick their ass anytime and all the time,our soldiers are dying there ,you know why ???????????????Because pakistani soldiers and the notorius ISI is informing the taliban their presence,the ISI is giving all and each details about our soldiers whereabouts.Inspite of having the worlds most advance tecnology,arms ,CIA,jets,drones and everything that takes to win a war is failing,because pakistan is stabbing right back at united states and our so many innocent soldiers are falling prey to the leaked information by the pakistani army and ISI to the taliban.Its a preplanned attacked by the taliban.We are trusting too much.Pakistan could not digest the fact that we likked their "BIG BROTHER"osama,its just like when you are caught stealing red handed and you don't know how to react and blame somebody else .All the aids we are sending will be used against india ,their arch enemy ,with another enemy china by their side.LONG LIVE AMERICA.

        November 29, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
      • sunny

        Bill and mike you are absolutelyright on that.America and rest of the world should declare pakistan a terrorist country.Pakistan considered osama as their big brother and if the big brother does anything wrong,he will be pardoned as he is a muslim.Osama was in the pakistan eversince the war started,the whole world knew except for america.Tanweer says what do we know about pakistan?Yes he is right!!!!!!!!!!! We did'nt know osama was living there?That pakistan is a terrorist country?That pakistan is begging for alms from the world?That they are begging indian govt for locomotive engines?That United states will and can kick their ass anytime and all the time,our soldiers are dying there ,you know why ???????????????Because pakistani soldiers and the notorius ISI is informing the taliban their presence,the ISI is giving all and each details about our soldiers whereabouts.Inspite of having the worlds most advance tecnology,arms ,CIA,jets,drones and everything that takes to win a war is failing,because pakistan is stabbing right back at united states and our so many innocent soldiers are falling prey to the leaked information by the pakistani army and ISI to the taliban.Its a preplanned attacked by the taliban.We are trusting too much.Pakistan could not digest the fact that we killed their "BIG BROTHER"osama,its just like when you are caught stealing red handed and you don't know how to react and blame somebody else .All the aids we are sending will be used against india ,their arch enemy ,with another enemy china by their side.LONG LIVE AMERICA.

        November 29, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • Mike

      GPS can tell you where you are (assuming the batteries work and you initialize it correctly – Google to see what happens if you get these steps wrong). GPS can't tell you where the border is (Google "Durand Line") if both sides disagree to its location. The NATO forces knew they were going to be firing into territory claimed by Pakistan (they called HQ to get permission). Everything after that is "he said/she said". Maybe we'll see some gun camera footage of the the U.S. aircraft lining up on a huge Pakistani flag or some terrorists stopping in at the local Pakistani checkpoint to call in their after-action report to the ISi after a spot of tea. Somehow I doubt there will ever be an agreement on the "truth" surrounding this event.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
      • Tim Lister

        Yeah: I was tempted to write more on the Durand Line, which is certainly part of the problem. I don't think the 2008 incident was ever resolved.

        November 28, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
  14. lucianne

    Why don't we just go away and let these people shoot each other as they have been for hundreds of years?

    November 28, 2011 at 11:05 am | Reply
    • byebye

      We need to get out now.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • Mike

      If Pakistan wasn't a failed state with a hundred or so loose nuclear weapons, they'd be at the bottom of our list of concerns with all the other basket case countries.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:54 am | Reply
      • amust

        how come a failed state has nuclear weapons but so many developed states do not have one. Why has US allowed Pakistan to have nuclear power to begin with.
        US actually assissted Pakistan in the 1960 with "atom for peace" program. then in the 1980's assissted afghan/arab/pakistani jihadist to fight soviets, and now have to fight these mercenearies...
        US has to look much deeper than its think tank looks at when fromulating policies

        November 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • C.Brown

      Why is that the question that everyone (other than those that served such as myself) asks about this war "Why don't we just go away and let these people shoot each other as they have been for hundreds of years"? Since when did the U.S. decided that we were going to fight in Afghanistan to stop them from killing one another? We are their to dissmantle terrorist groups that would love nothing more than to stage a massive attack on U.S. soil. Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? Your acting as if the Atlantic and Pacific oceans can sheild us from our enemies overseas. Your whole mode of thinking is just off and makes no sense to me "these people shoot each other as they have been for hundreds of years" Americans have killed other Americans for hundreds of years and the same goes for people from all parts of the world I love how many Americans think that this country (the U.S.) is so safe and civilized and the rest of the world is just in chaos lol. I think many of you need to travel more and I'm not talking about going on a cruise to Jamaica try going to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Istanbul ect your vision of the outside world is a little blurry and I blame that on CNN and other news outlets that make whats happening on a few streets in Cairo a city of 18 million seem like its happening thoughout the whole country which it isn't.

      November 29, 2011 at 10:58 am | Reply
  15. Azezel

    This opps will be a minor note in history. Just like the accidental bombing of the chinese embassy in belgrad back in 98.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:03 am | Reply
    • Uday

      I love Muse, I wore a jumpsuit by them while I was in London, and pepole couldn't believe that I was wearing a Pakistani brand. Yay!I think brands like Muse, as well as blogs like yours, are necessary to create awareness about the chic aesthetic that we desperately need in Pakistan. Plus we need to tell the world that we can do stuff other than make them unhappy!Do you also write for any newspaper?

      May 23, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  16. ObamaJoe

    God bless America.

    God bless President Obama.

    November 28, 2011 at 11:00 am | Reply
  17. ObamaJoe

    Who needs who ?

    November 28, 2011 at 11:00 am | Reply
  18. ObamaJoe

    The message is : NATO is leaving Afghan or Pakistan ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

    November 28, 2011 at 10:59 am | Reply
  19. palintwit

    Where is Sarah Palin when you need her?

    November 28, 2011 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • Mony

      counting her money and driving her soccer-mom mini van.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:44 am | Reply
    • dave

      Riding her Jesus pony into the promised land with all the other one percenters.

      November 28, 2011 at 11:56 am | Reply

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