China spending big money to avoid Arab spring fever
November 21st, 2011
07:00 AM ET

China spending big money to avoid Arab spring fever

By CNN National Security Producer Jennifer Rizzo

China's ruling Communist Party is looking within for threats to its control over the country, spending more money on securing its population of over one billion than it did on its military last year, according to a new report to the U.S. Congress.

Conflicts in the Middle East with the popular Arab Spring movement have done nothing to assuage the government's fears, according to the report from a Congressional advisory panel.

"The party has created an extensive police and surveillance network to monitor its citizens and react to any potential threat to stability," the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission stated in the report.

The 12-person expert panel, which was created in 2000 to advise Congress on the U.S. policy toward China, said when you add up spending on police, state security, armed militias, as well as courts and jails, China invested $83.5 billion in domestic security in 2010, surpassing their reported military budget of $81.2 billion. According to the report China's domestic security budget is going up, scheduled to grow faster than military spending in the years to come.

"China doesn't really perceive any external threat. It does recognize the possibility, but it's not imminent," said James Dobbins an analyst with the Rand Corporation.

Dobbins said China is more concerned about threats from within to its communist system, which has collapsed pretty much everywhere in the world but China.

"It has a huge population, a somewhat ethnically diverse population and a population with rising expectations that may not be entirely possible to meet in a difficult economic climate. They are rather worried about what will happen as their growth slows as most economists think it will," he said.

Protests have been on the rise in China, driven by socioeconomic issues like income inequality, corruption, pollution and inflation, according to the commission. Food prices for example are up 10 percent over the past year.

Fear that the turmoil in the Middle East would incite further unrest in its own population, the Chinese government has "expanded restrictions on online information and access to communication services, reported government propaganda in domestic news outlets, restricted the freedom of foreign journalists, and arrested dissidents with little or no cause," according to the report.

When protests began in Egypt in the beginning of the year Chinese searching the web could not complete keyword searches for terms like 'Egypt' or 'Cairo,' the commission said. The government also reported on the protests in a negative way. A front page editorial in the Beijing Daily cited the protests in the Middle East as bringing "nothing but chaos and misery to their countries".

But Internet restrictions and media propaganda aren't China's only means of exerting control. China is currently working to create the largest police surveillance system in the world in Chongqing, a major city in southwest China, the commission report noted. The over 500,000 cameras would be keeping a watchful eye over the cities half million intersections, neighborhoods, and parks - that's 400 square miles of surveillance, more than 25 percent larger than New York City.

More than 12 million cameras were installed in China this year and over 10 million cameras were put in place in 2010, according to IMS Research, a global electronics consulting firm. In comparison around 3.5 million security cameras were installed in the United States this year including the government and commercial sectors.

"We estimate that the Chinese market for video surveillance equipment (cameras and associated equipment such as lenses, monitors and video recorders) was worth around $2 billion in 2010. This estimate is only for equipment sales and does not include the cost of installing the equipment. If the installation cost is also included, the market is worth more than $3 billion," said IMS' Simon Harris.

"We estimate that the market has increased by more than 20% in 2011".

The company said that by the end of last year there were 800,000 security cameras in Liaoning Province in the northeast of China, over 400,000 in Beijing, 30,000 in Tianjin, and more than 200,000 in Shanghai.

Fear of a government overthrow isn't the only explanation for increased security spending in a growing population, said one China analyst.

"There are perfectly understandable reasons including unrest as to why spending for law enforcement would be going up in China," said Chinese security affairs analyst Scot Tanner. "Crime has been going up in China. It's not that surprising to me that money spent on local law enforcement and all of its aspects has been going up."

China however claims the numbers are misleading, stating the domestic security budget includes programs not commonly thought of as security.

"In government categories, China only has budgetary funds for necessary public security, which covers, for example, public health, public transportation and construction safety," an official of China's Ministry of Finance told Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency. The official was not identified in the story.

China aggregates the majority of its budget and does not provide a detailed breakdown of which programs get what. And it's not uncommon for China's budget documents to be only a little more than 20 lines in length, according to Chinese economy expert Nicholas Lardy with the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

"There is a whole cottage industry over the years that have tried to figure out what real Chinese defense expenditures are," he said

Those that have gone through the task he claims have found that real military expenditures are probably in the neighborhood of two to three times the amount of the disclosed expenditures.

Experts agree that its hard to do a sophisticated analysis on the opaque system because the published data is so highly aggregated.

"We don't know what the true number is," said China expert Jonathan Pollack. "It's the question of what are the budgetary categories that are covered under this catchall label of stability management."

But Pollack thinks it's implausible to think domestic security spending surpasses China's military budget.

"I am sure that they spend a lot on whatever this internal stability account is, but I have a hard time believing that it outstrips expenditures on national defense," he said. "If anybody told me that they knew how much it was, I would be skeptical."

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  4. Jacob

    According to the bureau of Justice Statistics, the United States spent $228 billion on law enforcement in 2007, compared to $84 billion in China. Considering China has 4 times our population, and spends less than half as much on law enforcement, it seems a bit disingenuous for Americans freak out about China's spending in this area. It's also worth noting that the US spends millions each year funding dissident and even terrorist groups inside China, in an attempt to plunge China into civil war and chaos. In recent years, the US has really stepped up these efforts, forcing China to respond with increased funding, investigation, and actions.

    November 23, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Reply
  5. Vic

    In fact, it's difficult to judge which side is right-western media hold the bias while Chinese media hold the official view. No media are limited, for they must be influenced by ideology. The contradiction between capitalism and socialism takes root in ideology, which determines the standpoint of media, just like CNN. So I think if you really interested in such topic, you can go to China and have an investigation by yourself.

    November 22, 2011 at 7:40 am | Reply
    • Vic

      It should be "NO media are NOT limited".

      November 22, 2011 at 7:45 am | Reply
  6. lol pudding cup

    Just get sum mw3 up in there!

    November 22, 2011 at 12:31 am | Reply
  7. Elliot

    Nothing would be better for the Chinese people and for the world than the overthrow of the current Chinese dictatorship. Hopefully the people will finally see that their leaders are exploiting them to enrich themselves, their families and their friends. The minute percentage of their population that enjoys material benefits are getting them only to provide a "carrot" for the masses who are still enslaved but believe that one day they too will have all of the luxuries they see around them. All citizens of the free world should help with this process by refusing to buy anything Made in China regardless of what company's name appears on the label until the current regime is gone. And all compassionate companies should cease their contributing to the oppression of so many people by closing their factories in China. Enough Already! Boycott China.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Reply
    • Mike Houston

      The gluttony of the new-rich-Chinese is going to keep the CCP in power for a long time to come, unfortunately.
      A boycott of "made-in-China", appealing as it is, is too late now. We should have boycotted those western
      (gluttonous) corporations that went along with the CCP's demands long ago. I say we boycott Nike, Adidas,
      Motorola, GE and all other western industrialists that brought about the mess that now exists.
      China is going to implode at some point and its going to be catastrophic for the entire world when it does.

      November 22, 2011 at 12:33 am | Reply
  8. rookiekool@yahoo.com

    Bunch of hogwash. In 2004 when I first went to China I could count on one hand how many BMWs and Mercedes I saw. When I was in China in August it was impossible. I have flown on airline many times in China, I have taken the train a lot in China. The people do not seem to be against their government as the wast make it out to be. The great majority of Chinese love China. Yes there are many people who do not like the government but Thousands of Chinese, today enjoy a very high standard of living. I know this I have been to China many, many times.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
    • paul321

      Yup – its hard to voice your concern when you think you will disappear in the night.

      November 22, 2011 at 4:52 am | Reply
      • jon

        lol you have no clue. stop living under a rock and see the world for yourself instead of comfortably brainwashed by the anti-Chinese western media.

        Talk about dictatorships, the problem is not in China. It's the rogue regimes in Africa

        November 23, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
  9. rambo liang

    for most chinese people, we only care about how to earn more money, how to make a better life, who care about the fucking democracy? what we want is a stable, growing china which can provide us what we want. you should know that more than 2/3 chinese people only have limited education, you talk with them about democracy? you want to them to choose leaders? democracy will come to china, but I guess it'll come fifty or even a hundred years later, when almost all chinese people are educated enough and are ready for democracy.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Mike Houston

      Your statement is the very essence of what is wrong with the "typical" mindset or "world-view" of the Chinese. "I want
      what I want and I want it NOW". It is also the arrogant mantra of tyrants since civilization began: ordinary people are
      too stupid to know what is good for them, therefore I, THE SOPHISTICATED, EDUCATED I, am entitled to IMPOSE upon
      those stupid masses what is good for them, so that I can have what I want, when I want it.

      November 22, 2011 at 12:11 am | Reply
      • jon

        You want to know why democracy will never work in China?

        Just look at India. It's the most populous democracy on the planet. And what good does democracy bring them? It's still a major shithole

        November 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
  10. max

    China's transformation to a democracy has an existing role model.
    There is a one party military dictatorship that became a prosperous democracy nearby the Chinese mainland – Taiwan!

    November 21, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Reply
    • JosephTan

      I believe CHINA would prefer one a Singapore-like especially during PM Lee Kuan Yew's time – authoritarian yet democratic!!!

      November 21, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Reply
      • Mike Houston

        There is no such thing as an "authoritarian democracy". Authoritarian and democracy are, by definition, mutually exclusive.
        Singapore can function as it does because of scale-Its small. China (because of its size) must function in a different manner. China, however, does have a choice in how it is governed. Unfortunately the Chinese have chosen to
        perpetuate one party rule and that leads inevitably to authoritarianism. Until China can overcome the racism that is
        rampant on the part of the Han, and the CCP's grip on the decision making institutions of governance (the military, the
        civil justice systems, production and distribution systems, infrastructure maintenance and health care delivery) then
        China will remain the authoritarian dictatorship-by-committee that it is. And any attempt to call it a "democracy" is
        nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig in an attempt to beautify the pig...

        November 21, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
      • zhu zhiwei

        Hi, Joseph! I'm a former student of yr wife fm Shandong, China in 1994. It's good to see your name on CNN forum. I am a Christian now ,and I really miss you and yr wife. How are you doing? I am teaching English at one chinese university for the time being. Hope we can keep in touch.

        November 22, 2011 at 11:35 am |
  11. xue

    When protests began in Egypt in the beginning of the year Chinese searching the web could not complete keyword searches for terms like 'Egypt' or 'Cairo,' the commission said. What they said are completely wrong! The web is still free for Chinese.

    November 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
    • paman

      when that time i was in china , and i can search with the keyword too.

      November 21, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Reply
  12. Paul

    In these difficult times Americans need to know they are not alone in their misery. Americans KNOW their country is actually more unstable than the PRC. America is right now a police state where not even toddlers are spared from government sanctioned sexual harassment, where everyone could be a potential terrorist, including the very men and women who have bravely risked their lives to defend their country and it's constitution. Now, can you imagine how would Americans feel about the fact that a one-party system that calls itself Communist is doing better at managing it's country and it's economy than a Democracy like that of the US????
    Of COURSE americans would not allow that. Of COURSE they'd do everything within their means to undermine the success of the chinese. Read the Chinese Exclusion Act and you'll realize how far America could go. And when the time is right and the resentment is more widespread, the good ole "Yellow Peril" discourses will come back (never completely gone) and once again the chinese will be labeled as the "Sick Man of Asia".

    November 21, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  13. Paul

    If you want to read negative news of Israel, you visit stormfront. If you want to read negative news of China you visit CNN.

    November 21, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Reply
    • jon

      yeah what's with CNN being all anti Chinese? They reported false news from the Tibetan protests back in 2008 as well.
      boycott Time Warner already

      November 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Reply
  14. The Blue Kite

    However, the fact that the Chinese government's policy, along with its economy is approaching the end – there is no joy at all aboyt that. But not only because of that collapse of China's will "touch" the whole world, but the fact, that this collapse will not change that what has been done in the past. This will not return nothing what has been destroyed. It will not return millions of innocent peoples lives, all the victims of government, who were killed, and exiled. The whole "mighty Chinese economy is built on a vast number of innocent humans lives. China`s economy is sealed with blood of innocent people. Chinese Communists will have to answer for all these crimes, but Chinese Communists should know something about Tibetans. The Tibetans, never ceased to pray for the souls of these Chinese, who killed Tibetans. Om Mani Padme Hum Hrih

    November 21, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Reply
    • rory wong

      You should know the western world is the collaborator.In some way you are also one of them. You shouldn't enjoy your high standard of living base on your idea of slavery on Chinese people. I would say thank you for your consumption which help a vast number of Chinese out of poverty.The ideal world of the west want to see ,is the third world population keep on live in wooden hut and half naked. Any improvement in life or development is no good for your culture and damage your environment. Once a while the west come to donate some food and adopt some children, the third world should be graceful.That is the wonderful world of the west wanted. May i ask you one more question? Are the red indian still have their own language and writing ? Tibetan still speak and write their own language today in China. I hope those Tibetan live in India and around the world still speak and write their own language.

      November 21, 2011 at 10:03 pm | Reply
    • jon

      what about the innocent Iraqi & Afghan women and children raped, tortured then murdered during the US invasions? They suffered much more than the Tibetan people yet no one seems to blame the Americans for it

      November 23, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  15. Marcel

    It seems as if the media – or those who 'control' the media – wants us to believe that the world getting into turmoil and that dire times are upon us. Let's face it: that's not good for neither of us if China / Asia, Europe or the USA gets into trouble. Wake up and try to imagine how this scenario may unfold when this really happens. What's the benefit? We should rather look at developments from a broader perspective. We only have planet earth. Let's use it wisely. I am not saying, that something should not change, but at least let's try to focus on something that is positive, solutions that offer future perspective. We are held hostage by a system that is built on money, economic growth and power games, while we should focus on transparency, qualitative growth, mutual benefits, integrity, sustainability, stability, sharing, social harmony, etc. etc. These should be common global values.

    November 21, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  16. That'snotTrue:[

    Dear arthur of this article.... with the Occupy Wall St movement currently in the US, is it a good idea to focus on other countries? This article is... fearmongering, I'll gve you my reasons
    * There are bigger things going on in the US
    * The FBI/CIA can work outside of the law in America
    * CNN always post articles that indicates one kind or another kind of destruction for China weekly @.@
    * Security cameras are not only in China, but other countries
    * America is becoming a failed example of the "democratic ideal" there are successful ones such as Norway
    * There is a fearmongering/ blame trend on CNN under the topic of China
    &&& Finally Why can't you let them solve their own problems, and besides with over 1 billion people, a portion of them wealthy, if there was an uprising, it would've been a lot bloodier. It may be the American way of doing things, but there are other ways to. Guess Americans aren't as civilized as they thought.... Cliton wanted an "arab spring" in central Asia....Isn't there enough chaos in the world?

    November 21, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Reply
  17. Ken2

    China is not Arabs....lots of sour grapes and hypocrites wishes chaos to happen and bring China down. Do you think the 5% can affect the 95% ?.....the majority of the Chinese will protect the status quo because it's works for the past 30 years and keep improving. For those people who wish to see China going down, I am sorry for you as your expectations not going to happen and. I Am sure thats frustrating to you right !

    November 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Reply
    • Vendo Thefastlane

      As long as the Chinese government openly pays people to post party-friendly messages on popular news and social media sites, it is not possible for any reader, Chinese or foreign, to trust any comment brushing off criticism of China.

      November 21, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Reply
      • Paul

        In these difficult times Americans need to know they are not alone in their misery. Americans KNOW their country is actually more unstable than the PRC. America is right now a police state where not even toddlers are spared from government sanctioned sexual harassment, where everyone could be a potential terrorist, including the very men and women who have bravely risked their lives to defend their country and it's constitution. Now, can you imagine how would Americans feel about the fact that a one-party system that calls itself Communist is doing better at managing it's country and it's economy than a Democracy like that of the US?
        Of COURSE americans would not allow that. Of COURSE they'd do everything within their means to undermine the success of the chinese. Read the Chinese Exclusion Act and you'll realize how far America could go. And when the time is right and the resentment is more widespread, the good ole "Yellow Peril" discourses will come back (never completely gone) and once again the chinese will be labeled as the "Sick Man of Asia".

        November 21, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
      • Paul

        As long as the American government openly support people and opposition parties to instill civil strife and sedition on popular news and social media sites, it is not possible for any reader, American or foreign, to trust any comment that criticizes China.

        November 21, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
      • rory wong

        What a lot of rubbish ? It's sad you guys contribute direct or indirect to feed the fat cat like CNN Which do nothing to contribute for the world peace.

        November 21, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
    • Manny

      No one wants to see China go down, that's where all our money comes from and you guys buy all our debt. I think everyone can agree that there are better things to do than speculate about whats going on in China or what will happen in China. Honestly, I barely care about whats happening in any other place in the world except where I live. Don't worry "comrade," no one is out to get you.

      November 21, 2011 at 6:40 pm | Reply
    • warset

      With all the government censorship, new generation from China are quickly forgetting what happened in 1989... for all those to say China is not like this China is not like that... If you happened to be outside China where you have freedom of information, please do a research to 1989, and you will be surprised HOW MUCH can happen in China and HOW MUCH it can go wrong, and HOW QUICKLY it can turn into a civil war

      November 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Reply
  18. Todd

    China is a bloated, corrupted communist framework straining to contain its ethnic population. The Han Chinese have used communism to rule over and oppress the ethnic population for so long, they have started to believe their own bullshi*.

    China will implode soon, America is racing her to the point of no return, so grab some popcorn, sit back and watch the greatest reality show ever: Real world events.

    November 21, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • Jerkinp

      That won't happen. The Hans dominate all parts of China except for a few unimportant territories. The Communist regime has long promoted the migration of Hans into lands formerly dominated by other ethnic groups. None of the other ethnic groups are in any position to challenge the Hans. Should the Communist fall and the other ethnic groups trying something. They would be crushed by the Hans.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Reply
  19. Carol Lv

    America is going down as everybody can see, but China going down is just wishful thinking.

    Cameras are only installed in China not in your country? lol

    Keep staying in your illusions if it makes you feel better.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Reply
    • Eric

      Only a fool like you would think that USA is over and done. China rising does not spell the doom for the USA. If anything, should the US fall it will only mean the demise of China. It is in China's best interest for the US to continue to prosper because it becomes a dominoe effect for the world. Remember, the world (including China) needs the US more than the US needs the world.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Reply
      • That'snotTrue:[

        Your last sentence showed how shallow you are. I'm sure you represent only the most racists of Americans. So I'm going to say it in layman's terms or should I call it ignorant redneck's?
        THE WORLD EXISTED THOUSANDS/ MILLIONS OF YEARS before the US was found and will continue even if the US disappears because of its warmongering ways. China existed for over 5000 years, the US only half of 500. It's the other way around because the world DOESN'T need a spoiled child, the way the US's currently acting like.
        Study some history and get out of your cave? I can safely say that people like you takes a country back... centuries, and the US didn't have that many to began with. LOL.

        November 21, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Bilfar

      All freedom loving peoples of China take heart! The United States will stand firmly beside you as you take your first steps towards real democracy and a better life for you and your children. You may not see or hear us but rest assured we will be there all throughout your journey. May God Bless you as you begin to find the courage and wherewithal to stand for what you know is fundamentally right and long overdue.

      November 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Reply
      • That'snotTrue:[

        One little problem.... the US rarely practice what it preaches so please get your own house in order first, including the debt, before commenting on other country's problems.

        November 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
      • CelestialOne

        "All freedom loving peoples of China take heart! The United States will stand firmly beside you ..." This same America that enacted the Chinese Exclusion Act... you are full of it. China must always be on the lookout for two face fork tongued westerners who pretend to be their friend and who will stab China and the Chinese in the back.

        November 21, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
  20. John

    @ Reiner thats because they blocked "Egypt" from google searches before OWS even started. Furthermore, OWS hasn't accomplished that much (yet). The Arab Spring started it all and its success in Egypt and Tunisia inspired (partially at least) many -including OWS- who are fed up by governments and all their regulations, restrictions, and various forms of corruption. Its not the Arab Spring the Chinese fear, its the idea of people uprising, and how contagious it can be. Arab Spring, OWS, European movements, are all speaking a new universal language that China, and even corporate-controlled "democratic" governments fear.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • jeff

      Oh, you must mean Anarchy.. we'll see how well that goes.

      November 21, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  21. luxbb

    Why is CNN so obsessed w/ China? Is this called a news? Imaginary.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • John

      Maybe because its a rising power? And that its population represents almost 17% of the worlds total population? And that whatever affects it politically or economically affects the world? Remember the saying "When the US sneezes, the rest of the world catches a flu"? Thats becoming more and more applicable to China. Soon many will feel what its like to be on the other side, as a part of "the rest of the world". Unless something changes that is.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
      • NoImporta!

        CNN is so preoccupied with USA, Europe, China and the muslim world that it hardly ever reports anything other than that. The world has more to it than bombs blowing up or politicians pouting or economic woes or unemployment.

        November 21, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
  22. jose

    Spring of Death only ends in sharia laws, islamic dictatorship and more repression. Only west press praises this terrorist movement in Arabia.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • John

      Free press praises the Arab Spring, and dictatorships are against it. Funny how things work huh. Anyway, we have a different type of dictatorships where the dictator isn't a person, but a group of corporations and elitists that benefit from them. As George Carlin once said "Its a huge club, and you aint in it!" Although I disagree with him on some issues, Ron Paul is the only one with the courage to change this. He's the only one that isn't a "puppet" of coorperations thats just trying to make his way to office, serving whoever pays him more. His message has always been consistent. He actually stands for something.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Reply
    • Franky

      Jose: You are racist fool. dicator @ss kisser

      The arab are brave people the have fought and died to choose their freedom and thieir choice to have a islamic law. you should be ashamed to call them terrorist. just because you dont like their choice. scumbag

      November 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Reply
  23. John

    12 million surveillance cameras in the China vs 3.5 million in the US. Given the population difference, it sounds like the two governments aren't acting very differently.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Reply
  24. Greggo

    The Chinese are going down, so are the Americans, the Russians, the Mexicans, the Peruvians, the Canadians, the Irish, the Indians, etc., get the point. It is time for the NWO baby...no more boarders and passports! Gotto go throw a rock at a cop car...see ya!

    November 21, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  25. Wind

    The Chinese are just using the same old tactics to control their ppl as empires of the past. It wont work forever.

    November 21, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Reply
  26. sangos

    time to go mr meow mao

    November 21, 2011 at 10:44 am | Reply
  27. Reiner

    China spending big money to avoid Arab spring ? Why dont you say "to avoid OWS"?
    Only over 400,000 in Beijing? Much less than London where English Pateint held another uprising, right?

    Highly recommend the reading a much enlightening article :

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/the_myth_of_american_exceptionalism?page=full

    November 21, 2011 at 8:57 am | Reply
  28. David Keener

    Looks like China is not only fearing an Arab Spring, they have taken note of the OCCUPY movement in USA. This is the greatest threat to not only China, but the American corporations feeding like glutunous pigs at the trough of sweat shop wage economy in the factories of southern China. China is watching and cracking down, is that what US is doing to their disenchanted population?

    November 21, 2011 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • jeff

      I live in the US and I am not disenchanted.. The people of OWS are very small minority of idiots and children stomping around angrily. The movement as a whole is a complete failure and isn't going any where. American Corporations feeding like glutenous pigs? The people I know who work for some of those glutenous pigs make a salary most Chinese would kill to have. 🙂

      November 21, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Reply
    • Adam

      You're an idealistic idiot, just like the idiots who are currently squatting and defecating in public grounds...oh I meant the OCCUPY "movement". The OCCUPY movement will amount to nothing and affect zero social and economic change. Mark my words.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Reply

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