November 17th, 2011
04:33 PM ET
About that Iran explosion...
By Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr
That explosion last week at a missile plant in Iran appears by all accounts at this point to have been an industrial accident, according to two senior defense officials.
The officials tell CNN that the U.S. believes the Iranians were mixing volatile fuel for a rocket motor for a large ballistic missile when the accident occurred. The officials asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the information.
The explosion also caused other nearby munitons to detonate, killing several Iranian personnel. Iran has been working on long range ballistic missiles that U.S. intelligence believes could be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead if Iran develops one.
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This explosion screams "black op". A ballistic missile explodes, triggers a secondary explosion of munitions, and kills an important general...all seems very, very convenient.
I thought GYM4 had gone back to beating his wives and screwing his goats?
@Real_World – Why don't you log off and go smoke some more of your crack or meth-amphetamine pipe. It might do you some good.
@ IDF Solider, why are you here? don't you have any more lands to occupy?
Poor sap, hush up and go suck your toes.
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Obviously, a lot of anti-semetics in the USA and Muslim nations. This would come as no surprise to us Israeli's; however, what the USA and Muslim nations fail to realize is here in Israel, we do not depend on the rest of the world and to all you idiots that think we do, obviously you have been smoking the crack-pipe too much. When we took out both the Iraqi Osirak nuclear plant in June 1981 and Syrian nuclear plant in September 2007, the rest of the world just sat back and watched in dismay.
Your US sanctions do nothing and your government is good for nothing. Your government cannot even take care of it's own, let alone the rest of the world.
Israel has been put through the test, time and time again, and we've always come out on top, from the 1948 War of Independence (just three years after the liberation of our people from the Holocaust), to the six-day war campaign in 1967, to the 1972 capture of the Munich Olympic Game terrorists, to the Yom Kippur war in 1973, to the 1976 raid on Entebbe, Uganda (to rescue many of my people), to the Osirak nuclear plant taken out in Iraq in 1981, to the Syrian nuclear plant we destroyed in 2007. We've done it ALL ALONE with NO HELP from the USA, NO HELP from anyone.
If our Israeli Knesset and government decides to move forward with a raid on Iran's nuclear facilities, we will accomplish this as well and it will not take ten years like it did your pathetic US government to capture and kill Osama bin Laden.
Hey soldier boy? When another country is picking up the tab on 20% of your entire national defense budget you should probably keep your mouth shut about how you do everything all by yourself and don't need anyone's help.
You should probably especially stay real nice and quiet and respectful about that country paying your bills for you in particular, rather than calling them pathetic. Don't you think?
Or are you saying you don't want that several BILLION dollars a year in military aid the US keeps you propped up with? Because if you don't I'm sure the US government can find somewhere else to spend it.
Oh My... What a bitter man. LOL. Good response.
gcomeau, Israel is intellectual powerhouse and a lot of those brains are focused on keeping the country safe from radical islam. The USA has lots to benefit by throwing in some bucks and locking in exclusive rights to the technology that they develop. All this crap about Israel being bankrolled by the USA is just plain wrong... China would love to get their hands on what Israel develops to keep itself safe and the agreements with the USA are the only thing keeping that from happening.
thats why the connection with Israel is so solid... not because of any conspiracy. Return on investment is much higher on the money USA helps Israel with than on the billions spent on Arabs that reward us by going Islamist when they finally work out a democracy.
in short, the jews in israel are a capable people that are up against some very big threats. they dont have luxury to screw up for decades like Greece (they would be dead if so). When they go to work, they work hard and are driven by their national story. Money invested in Israel is money coming back double.;) If you are upset about foreign aid, then campaign against the billions we give to countries that produce nothing. There are many of those!
Tali: You can think Israel is an "intellectual powerhouse" all you like. The fact remains that when another country is paying for 20% of your national defense budget and providing a significant percentage if not a majority of your advanced military technology then badmouthing them as worthless and lazy and spouting off about how you do everything all by yourself and don;t depend on anyone else is incredibly, mind numbingly stupid.
And you can say that bankrolling happening is "just plain wrong" all you like too, reality is reality. US aid covers approximately 20% of the Israeli defense budget annually. Period. Nothing you say is going to alter that fact.
I haven't got the slightest idea what "conspiracy" you're talking about so I'm just going to leave that one alone.
gcomeau, the 'bad mouthing' is against you, not against Israel's allies in the USA (a huge percentage). The help and cooperation is much appreciated on both ends. Its a very good deal for all parties. And you over estimate the importance of the aid for actual security and defense. It is mostly for research and battle-testing jointly developed weapons.
You are a fool if you misunderstand the benefits of this relationship. The people that make the decisions, though, are no fools, and the relationship continues.
I had the opportunity to meet a few Isreali pilots in 2001-02 in texas. This was during their pilot training, and I got schooled on what the US did for Isreal defense wise. Seems as though we provided a lot of your jets, and along with the funds, enable you to better defend yourselves. In exchange, we get an ally in the Middle east to share intelligence with us and we go to bat for Isreal when bigger countries want to wipe it off the map. I do not doubt the Isreali military's capability to deal with Iran on its own. It is a two way relationship, however, you are not dealing with the same regime types as you did in the past. This new era of military warfare, if used, is something that is very difficult to recover from from two areas, humanity, and monetarily. I feel another cold war coming if Iran's nuclear intentions do not become clearer very soon.
@gcomeau – And you are so stupid to believe your government actually supports us with $20 billion?? What planet are you from?? Or are you just another crack-head?? Let me teach you something Einstein – You know all about those unmanned US drones that you use so proudly in your war in Afghanistan?? I'll give you ten guesses who helped your pathetic government develop the technology for these unmanned drones. Now be a nice anti-semite, and go smoke some more crystal meth.
easy buddy... you sound like a Terrorist.. lol
No, I'm familiar enough with reality to think the US supplies Isreal with approximately 3 billion dollars in military aid annually, and the Isreal defense budget is around $15 billion annually.
And I know enough math to know what percentage of 15 billion 3 billion is.
Also, a significant percentage of all the advanced military technology in your ENTIRE MILITARY is US supplied you ignoramus.
couldn't find any little Palestinian children to rape and kill or what? holy shit your a dumb ass
Lockeed that's who!!
@IDF soldier...! I'm sick and tired of all the anti-semitism being spewed out when things go wrong in the Arab world.
@Real_World – What happened?? The meth-amphetamine pipe is not strong enough for you?? Maybe you should promote yourself to heroin.
is that the best you got? why don't you go and get a nose job. hahahaha
Isreal is nothing w/o the The United Stated of America. Live with it. You are the most ignorant Isreali that I've ever spoken to.
@Real_World – ROFLMAO – Now I KNOW you're a crackhead. Israel is nothing without the United States?? That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read...LMAO... Got a surprise for you idiot – Your CIA is NOTHING without my government's Mossad. Also, a great deal of your military technology is NOTHING without Israeli scientific brains, which is apparently something you either lack or simply fried from too much crack...LMAO
ungrateful punk!! The US is your daddy. Now bow down to the stars and stripes if you want any more aid.
Hi supersoldier
Why dont you go out and kill some more innocent unarmed people instead of sitting there. Or maybe you are on vacation?
Another pathetic anti semite
Thank you for insulting someone who supports your country and finances it through my tax dollars MR, IDF BTW I didn't vote for Obama!!
Heah Russ,
I voted for Obama AND WILL AGAIN, and i can tell this idf soldier guy is a giant ASS, even with my tiny little american brain.
Who gave you the M60's that saved your country's ass in the YOM KIPPIUR war Mr. IDF. They arrived on C5's what nation has those? hmm Who has given you penatratrors bombs MR. IDF. If I were you I'd shut the hell up!!
Let us go back that first part... you were liberated by WHO?
That's right, shut your trap, you are lucky to be here.
well I have all ,the respect in the world for your military there bud,,,served with them back in the 8oies...but the airplanes you used...AMERICAN,.....the intellgence that pulled your ass out of the fire in 67 was American...sat photos and the like...and but for The old USA your country wouldnt have been around to win the last 3-4 wars.
And to cap it off you kill a buch of our sailors on an spy boat in the med...even though it was flying the stars and stripes....so...stfu come to think of it.
Why do people keep acting as if just because Iran gets a nuke that they will use it? The USA and the USSR had 1000's of them point at each other and still do to some extent yet never fired one. Iran will never use one for the same reason the USA and USSR never did, it will assure their own annihilation. They are just looking for attention. Ignore them and they lose a LOT of their influence in this matter, just like N. Korea.
You're truly not this naive....I hope....
heheheh... uh Bevis, the US and Soviets don't normally run around with bombs on their back in their own country blowing up their own citizens...... the rag heads do. Think about it..... like comparing apples and camels dude. Bad example.
Hey, umm .. the first Suicide bombing was done by Mossad!! Do you feel like an idiot?
WE DON'T BREED SUICIDE BOMBERS! THAT'S WHY WE DON"T WANT THEM TO HAVE NUKES!
Let them experiment. Like a lot of suicide bombers, they will blow themselves up. I kinda think it's funny.
is it funny? Let them experiment?
why can we nuke Israel instead of nuking Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iran. Jordan and Pakistan.
it is easier nuke one occupied country (Israel) rather than 6 country since Israelis are cancer in that area.
Why can't we nuke Bijan?
you know, after living on earth for 52 years, it gets very tiresome day in & day out, news agencies report EVERY SINGLE EPHING DAY, once again, BS of some variety has gone down in the middle east. "well, the jews did this, & the arabs/muslims/palestinians did that. whah whah whah. you know what? nuke the whole region. seriously. just turn it all into a big glass desert & be done with it. we'll go back for the oil later. diplomacy my patootie. it is more than glaringly apparent that it has never worked. (this is probably why i'm not president)
Ruhroh: I'm older than you are and I, like you, can't remember a time without constant Israeli-Arab hostility. You're right that diplomacy hasn't worked. War, as in 1967 and 1973 and other times, hasn't worked, either. Nothing works. Nuking countries over there, obviously, is not a serious alternative.
Some problems can't be fixed.
Why not just nuke the entire world once and for all? Would secure world peace for the next decades.
appears its time for your pill. better yet , why dont you get together with "gym4" and try each others medication? It cant hurt as you already appear to suffer from the "grand delusions"
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Because living along with the rest of the world full of Arabs or full of Jews pretty much any sane person would take living with the Jews.
Rick, seriously? Jews?
agreed
with Rick
agreed, as any Westerner would.
Hey Einstein... how about the US just use one big bomb and nuke all of you folks and get rid of the cancer the Middle East is.
Hey, how about we turn our backs on the Arabs and Isreal and let Isreali's do as they please. I can live with that. I hate when Isreali folks talk about the US like we are there older brother and we must fight their battles. Go F' off..
@Bijan – may I recommend you be careful what you state. My government's intelligence, maybe you heard of them – The Mossad, looks to take out nut jobs such as yourself. You are a pathetic idiot and maybe, just maybe we'll be knocking on your back door one day, preferably with an uzi in our hands. It's losers such as yourself that give the Muslims a real bad name. Now go off to your small corner and smoke a little more hashish. That should calm you down a bit.
Dude you have a pretty bad drug thing going there, you refer to it in every post...meth, hash...what is your deal!!!!!
Go back to beating your wife and mating with your goats.
why can we nuke Isreal insted of nukeing Egypt,Lebanon, Syria, Iran. Jordan and Pakistan.
it is easier nuke one occupied country (isreal) rahter tahn 6 country since isrealies are cancer in that area.
see above
Why don't we nuke the hole you were born from? BTW, you have horrible writing skills.
"The Arabs will always be a little people."
It was a accident, some flues are very volatile we have had them blow up here. We still use ammonia and hydrogen peroxide, if not sprayed into a combustion chamber very precisely BOOM. I am talking about pure not the stuff you keep in the bathroom and under the kitchen sink. Either way it was a good thing, Iran will go nuclear on Israel and then the s+it will be in the fan. Once that card is played Israel will nuke all Muslim countries,Egypt,Lebanon, Syria, Iran. Jordan and Pakistan. Then the Russians and China will get into it and try to retaliated against Israel and us. The Europeans will try to sit it out but that will not work, the real WWIII will be here and God help us.
You are a true indiot!!
IF they are still using liquid fuels as we did in the 50s then they may have blown themselves up. Primitive tech results in weapons dangerous to the user. Being an enemy of the CIA and Mossad makes daily life a danger to that person also so anything is possible. BUT incompetence seems to go along with the Jihadist way of life where feelings replace thinking; so maybe, just maybe, they screwed up the drill and stored munitions and the dual fuels too close to the site and blew themselves and the reported NK reps present to the sky..
I think Firesign Theatre said it best, "Everything you know is wrong".
that is the very reason why all of Iran nuclear/military installations must be completly destroyed. Islam need to stay where it belong, in the stone age
You are a BIG idiot!!!
I like the new name being proposed for the area from the indus to Babylon. AGlassistan
This is another example of why children shouldn't have access to weapons.
Nothing matters except the explosion. If we caused it, great. Good work. It it was an accident, great. It will take more time for the Iranians to complete their work. As for the dead: collateral damage.
gym4?...you are a jewish
He is a Troll.... nothing else....
He's a big cunt at best!!
Covert operation is a criminal act. They should go to jail because they publicly support killing some scientist in Iran.It is the act of terrorism.When Iranian people hear these sabre rattlings their opinion of US shape in a very negative way. You should know Iranian are very nationalistic and could never forgive invaders.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quick sniffing glue!
thank you, I needed that!
I'll tell you what, go ahead build your bomb and drop it on Isreal. But keep in mind everyone with real nuclear bombs will be very upset.... see you soon.
Why do you think that Iran would want to nuke Israel? – They are not stupid.
When has Iran ever invaded another country?
They want weapons for their own protection. The more sanctions we put on Iran, the more power the Irani rulers will get.
First, since they are very nationalistic they should throw their ridiculous government out. That said, nationalism is probably the most dangerous trait a country can exhibit and is nothing to be proud of. Second, you must really like KOOL-AID huh?
Iranians are a bunch of nice people held in thrall by a bunch of criminal mullahs and Jihadis.
So what? they have the right to build anything they want to................lets stop being SO concern about Israel and worry about our own domestic problem
This IS a US problem. What do you think Iran will do when it starts throwing its weight around when it has a nuclear weapon? It will challenge the US at any given turn. Heck, it's ALREADY sabotaging US efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, any pretty much anywhere else US interests lie. What do you think they'll do once they have the bomb? Don't be so naive.
Why is it a US problem, and who is US. Simply because you can still blow up things doesn't mean you are a super power.
To me china is more of a "super power" than USA even though they lack the ability to blow things up " which no one knows" if they can blow a satellite in space, they can definately do alot more things.
Stop whining and stop dreaming in the 40's. the world has changed and he who has the industries and raw materials rules. Everyone else will just keep blowing things to make themselves feel important with borrowed money.
Read more about this topic in our recent post :
Western coalition vs. Iran : Low-intensifying conflict in a heating cold war :
http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.com/2011/11/western-coalition-vs-iran-low.html
bioqubit, the problem with bognibmis that Israel only gets one biteat the apple and the US,at least inthe present political climate, is not going to be able to get the UNto authorize something like we hadwith Iraq where US planes are givencarte blanche to patrol the skies over Iran conducting strikes if andas we see the need for them. So wetoo will only get a few days to carry out whatever attack we wish before the situation goes critical.We also face the problem of Russiaarming the hell out of Iran withvirtually anything they want. If the Iranians have no real air forcethey do have lots of Russian SAMsystems and taking them out wouldrequire hundreds of sorties fromUS Navy and Air Force jets. Iranhas a 3 Kilo class subs and theseare equipped with Russian cruisemissiles and they have Chinese madesurface to surface missiles thatcan also put at risk carriers thatventure too close to Iran. Who knows they might even have Iranianversions of Kaitans-human torpedos.They claim 55,000 Iranians havevolunteered to be suicide bombersand 1000 have completed 'training'.I'm not saying they are 10feet tallbut they aren't midgets either. Alucky hit on a US carrier or a waveof suicide bombings in Europe orthe US is within their power. Theyare a lot more dangerous than Iraqever was.If you want the regime to fall thebest way for that to happen is tolet Israel do the deed on Iran'snuclear program. It will infuriatethem of course but it will also beso humiliating I can't imagine theregime surviving. We then might beable to get back to where we werewith Iran pre Jimmy Carter. I thinkwe stand a much better chance ofseeing a secular democratic Iranthan we will with any Arab state ifwe can get rid of the Ayatollahs without too much bad blood betweenthe US and the Iranian people.
Story reads: " Iran has been working on long range ballistic missiles ... capable of carrying a nuclear warhead if Iran develops one." Are we still hiding our heads in the sand? Shouldn't that say "...WHEN Iran develops one"? The world is going to shuffle its feet and mumble until Iran detonates a nuclear weapon in Israel, England, the U.S. or some other target.
No body stops to think.. hmm... US Officials commenting on what "probably" happened in Iran.. uh..(*cough*)...Misdirection..lol that basically makes it obvious that it was the result of a covert op..
Well, good, that probably means we (or Israel) have some covert assets in Iran working in our favor.
This is great news!
Jews are so dead !! Iran can fuck Israel so bad !
Iran being run by hate-filled bigoted suicidal fanatics, had a nice blow-up. It is a sign from God. Gym4 you need to go to church.
ROFL, GYM4, you need to do some research my friend. Enough said..... Long Live Israel !!!! America has your back....
Isreal has 400 nukes. Iran will probably have 1 in the future. Who's fucked?
So, by that logic, I suppose that means that whatever we do admit to doing, we can assume we didn't actually do because it's automatically misidrection? Sheesh... Also, in this case, it's not like the incident dealt any real actual blow to Iran's military capacity; i.e. there'd be no good tactical or strategic reason for such relatively small-scale sabotage. Accidents happen, people, especially when it comes to people who are working with dangerous chemicals on an *experimental* program. Of course I know that all I'm doing here is eliciting the response from the conspiracy goofballs of, "You're just saying that because you're part of the conspiracy". [rolleyes]
Except that it killed the General considered to be the father of Iran's missile program.
If the facts don't fit the conspiracy, build a bigger conspiracy.
things happen during trials, internal or external, part of process
In the 1960's a Soviet heavy launch vehicle exploded killing several top researchers. Accident.
During a ground test, a fire in Apollo 1 killed three US astronauts. Accident.
Iranians experimenting with very explosive fuels are killed. Must be Israel / US / Knew Whirled Odor / Illuminutty / Free Mason-Dixons / Try Fatteroll commission . . .
So if there is an accident in Iran and we say it we think it was an accident, that means we are just coving up that it was not an accident but a covert op. So by that logic if we admitted it was a covert op, that means it was really an accident?
Why do people think nothing can happen in the world without someone being involved in some sort of cover up. Accidents happen, espeically with muntiions, rockets and the like.
Hey Jimmy – you see that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? or that unicorn ruinning accross the flield?
yeah...its obvious......its obvious that many of you are unbeleivably misinformed.....so obvious. I dint realize its friday...all the trolls are in their basement with their lap top and no pants on playing president again.
Why did we go in Iraq to look for non-existing WMD, while the whole world knew about North Korea and Iran ?
It was an attempt to cover George Bush's behind. It was a failure (like so much else that Bush touched.)
no not a failure no one but actual internet people who watch the news and think for themselfs and theres very few of us know what really was upon bush's agenda
bro, that's easy. George Sr went to war in Iraq. Iraq tried to kill him. George Jr becomes president and decides to attack Iraq again in response. I'm quite sure Jr was looking for any war to be just like daddy.
Just when you thought the collective intelligence of the internet couldn't get any lower...
Most of the world's intelligence community thought Iraq had WMD's.
It's not about what the world community thinks....media can be fed with crap, and they'll blow it against the fan right away. when you declare war, you better know why. There is intelligence, that shoud have made sure of it, before we sent our youth to become smoked meat for no reason. While at the same time, everybody knows who is playing with building nukes.
Actual weapons? nope BUT, poor fellow they found a lot of degraded munitions of the mass destruction type (sarin and a few biologicals) poorly stored in caches AND a large cache of yellow cake in Iraq. Iraq used weapons of mass destruction aqainst Iran in their war. It appears you are as ill informed as most professors are who cling bitterly to their delusions. Those who can't do.....teach. It takes years of study and progressive a... kissing to get the degrees needed to become a student trolling fool in most Universities. This is why Professors are distrusted by most non-students and once most students understand professors puerile nature they discount their wacky thoughts and dangerous delusional thinking.
Too bad they didn't mix enough to blow the entire country to Kingdom Come.
Or Hades.
i.ei...fred's basement/bedroom/social club/workstation.
One part Liquid Hydrogen, Two parts Liquid Oxygen...Hmmm No, No, wait a mintue...How much Hydrogen Peroxide?...Well let me see... throw some in and see what happens, Hmmm, Better throw in some Kerosene too...
Dang I'm nervous, Just look at my hands, their shaking again...should have been a plumber Think it's time for a smoke break.......
HAHAHA GOOD! Hopefully they blow the whole country up.
Hahah too bad it wasn't in japan.
Why are Koreans so mean spirted?
Can't get over WWII and the years of Japan occupation, now can you? Doesn't Revenge suck?
🙂 you know thats not gone happen ! Iran will blow other countries first ! like yours jew
Iran will blow other countries first??? lmao.
Please disregard gym4's pitiful comments. He's the poster child for the dangers of inbreeding. Give the uneducated who obviously blame the world for their sorry lot in life a PC, and you get an internet tough guy.
you are obviously not persian as i understand most iranians are literate. what nationality are you exactly?
So Iran is going to blow every country? Yaayyy!