November 4th, 2011
04:12 PM ET

U.S. general relieved of duty for disparaging Afghan government

By Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr

The commander of NATO's international security force in Afghanistan sacked a senior U.S. Army general Friday for making disparaging comments about the Afghan government.

Gen. John R. Allen, commander of the International Security Assistance Force, said Major Gen. Peter Fuller was relieved of duty, effective immediately, for making "inappropriate public comments."

Fuller, who was helping train and equip Afghan security forces, made less-than-diplomatic comments about the Afghan government and its leaders to a Politico reporter, including claims that some Afghan leaders are "isolated from reality."

Politico quoted Fuller as criticizing Afghan President Hamid Karzai for saying Afghanistan would side with Pakistan against America in war.

"Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle?" Fuller said. "You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion, and now you're telling me, 'I don't really care'?"

U.S. officials have said Karzai's remarks were misunderstood.

Politico reported Fuller also as saying, in reference to Karzai, "when they are going to have a presidential election, you hope they get a guy that's more articulate."

He told Politico he recently told the Afghans:  "I said, 'You guys are isolated from reality.' The reality is, the world economy is having some significant hiccups.  The U.S. is in this (too).   If you're in a very poor country like Afghanistan, you think that America has roads paved in gold; everybody lives in Hollywood. They don't understand the sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security. And I think that's part of my job, to educate 'em."

In a statement, Allen said, "These unfortunate comments are neither indicative of our current solid relationship with the government of Afghanistan, its leadership, or our joint commitment to prevail here in Afghanistan.  The Afghan people are an honorable people, and comments such as these will not keep us from accomplishing our most critical and shared mission - bringing about a stable, peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan."

Spokesmen for both the International Security Assistance Force and the training mission said Fuller was quoted accurately.

"Gen. Fuller was not misquoted," said Col. David Johnson, a spokesman for the American-led training mission. "What was reported by Politico is accurate."

Fuller was on his way back to Afghanistan from Washington on Friday and could not be reached for comment.

ISAF issued a statement earlier Friday that said, "These unfortunate comments are clearly MG Fuller's personal opinions. However, they in no way represent the policies or positions of the International Security and Assistance Force."

An ISAF official said it is expected that senior commanders will speak with Fuller on his return to ask him for further details. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has been made aware of Fuller's comments, according to spokesman George Little.

Fuller was the deputy commander of the NATO training mission in charge of programs. That put him in command of $11 billion in equipment, supplies, training and contracts.

On the same day as the Politico article, Fuller gave a news conference in Washington where he spoke about many of the same topics as in the article but took a much more positive tone toward the Afghan government.

At a National Press Club event, the general said the Afghan National Security Forces was drawing recruits.

"We're having more people come that want to serve their country than we can accept," Fuller said. "We deny about 1,500 people a month that are coming in."

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  7. Greg

    Johnny are an idiot.

    Listen closely...A leader leads by gaining the respect of his subordinates and one of the ways of achieving this is speaking the truth. The inherent responsibility of any leader is to convey the truth to those who can effect change. The MG followed orders to the “T”. The General lives by a code, a code that is foreign to the likes of you and B.O. He leaves the Military with his integrity and honor intact.
    And by the way, your one term commander in chief couldn’t command a group of 8 year olds.

    November 6, 2011 at 7:20 am | Reply
  8. 18E

    McCain, Palin and their types warned if not threatened the President back in fall of 2010, to "listen to the Generals." Seems Fuller and McChrystal, have echoed what McCain and Palin and their ilk would call liberal issues, concerning the failed Bush War. Funny how the GOP is not out front defending either one of these fine men.

    November 6, 2011 at 7:07 am | Reply

    The only way to get out of Afghan quagmire is to send an Army of neutral Muslim states under UNO to replace American and ISAF forces and then manage free and fair election to elect a popular Govt which whole world should support till stabilizing the system. The best solution is to declare Afghanistan a demilitarized state on the line of Switzerland so that militant tendencies could be washed out of their lives and in return UNO should ensure Afghanistan protection in case of any aggression from any side. Afghans are fed up of three decades long wars therefore they will welcome being a neutral state under UN protection.

    November 6, 2011 at 1:51 am | Reply
    • koveusOne

      That's a good idea. Nobody wants the U.S. to set up shop because they'll never leave. And why are there still bases in Europe??

      March 22, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
  10. billybob22

    Well, once you're in the forces you have to toe the line. Usually officers have a little more leeway; however, the comment above about how you should not speak to the press rings true. There are so many people just waiting, with so many divergent viewpoints, that whether or not your statement(s) are valid, they can and will be taken out of context and hello trouble. You and I can say we agree or disagree with this officer and nothing will happen, apart from trollville. For the soldier though, it is not as cut and dried. Say what you want, but beware of loose lips.

    November 5, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Reply
  11. Paul W.

    As a member of the US Military stationed in AFG on a AFG only base, three full deployments, one of which I was embedded (lived, ate, taught, fought and lost my friends) with them and 24 years of service I have to say that I am appalled at some of the comments above. Currently that I live with 70 Local National Linguists and on a base with close to 1000 Afghan’s in training. Johnny57, you are truly uninformed, but then again most Americans are. MG Fuller was entrusted with being in charge of DCOM-P because he was the most qualified man for the position. His prior assignment was the CDR of PEO Soldier and while assigned there he spoke the truth to the press and was never “convicted” for it. As a "Commander" at the G.O. level you are charged with doing the right thing. You can not be a leader without being honest. You are charged with leading by example, as he did. He was put there for a reason; part of that reason was to inform and fix. You are also taught how to speak to the press. He was put in charge of DCOM-P because it needed to be fixed. His predecessor was NOT qualified. There comes a time, when working with Middle Eastern people, that you must put your foot down, speak the truth and "force" them to do the right thing or cut them off. I don't expect you to understand. Unless you are forced to live the way they do and have an extremely open mind you can not even begin to understand. I have a great respect for the Afghans. They have honor, courage, morals and values. Morals and values that they believe in and they are willing to die for what they believe in, are you? This is not the same for most Americans today, especially my Commander in Chief.

    November 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    • FightsOn

      Paul W, so what is your opinion of the relief (removal) action by the theater commander? Was it justified? Seems like lack of support from his immediate superior in command, who reports say relieved him, and who would have been the only official directly authorized to relieve MG Fuller anyway (most civilians assume that the Pentagon can make changes directly to a COCOM's staff, which they can only advise, but can't order, and which may or may not happen unless the commander concurs or concedes); that is unless the chain of command and Goldwater-Nichols have changed since I retired, which wouldn't surprise me since it appears that command and control basics (unity of command being the chief one) are at the base of problems with effectiveness in the conduct of warfare in this theater.

      November 5, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Reply
    • 18E

      Your in central Asia, not the middle east. Read the Great Game by Hopkirk.

      November 6, 2011 at 7:10 am | Reply
      • FightsOn

        18E, please give me (us) the short version of what you think the relevance of that book is. Basics are basics. Having no clear chain of command, or a chain of command with inconsistent leadership = increased probability of failure no matter what theater you're in. McC was relieved by DC (his immediate superior in command). This was the proper process in that case. However, MG Fuller was relieved by the area commander (they used to call them CinCs for a reason – the Rumsfeld-mandated name change is FAR more corrosive than many realize). So, don't blame it on DC. The area commander doesn't work for or answer to the Chairman of the JCS. No one outside of your chain of command can fire anyone inside your chain of command. So. The theater commander either did it on his own, or he was told to do so by DC. If he was ordered by DC to fire MG Fuller, he had a choice: 1) do what DC told him to do (if he agreed), 2) do what they told him to do (even if he disagreed), or 3) if he was truly "in command", if he understood his authority, and if he disagreed with the order...then, sir, nut up, defend your guy, and tell DC that you will handle the issue internally. DC then can either 1) back off and accept your judgment, or 2) relieve you of command. Sometimes they will, sometimes they see the hypocrisy exposed. The politicians, who do not understand leadership, tend to lack backbone and will shrink back when they realize they are on the wrong side of the basics. So. The fundamental, still unanswered question is: did the area commander (the Marine General) initiate the firing, or was he ordered to do so by DC? Anyone?

        November 6, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
  12. Lessons

    Men like Generals McChrystal and Fuller should be applauded for having the courage to share their convictions. These are very bright men who understand the consequences of what they do and say. Frankly, I think most Americans agree that the Afghan government and president aren't worth the blood and treasure we have committed over there; that's a lesson the Russian's learned only too well in the '80s. My fear: 20 years from now, the Taliban will have moved back in and set up shop once again, and it will have all been for naught. But then, I believe every September 11th the footage of passenger planes crashing into our towers, and the subsequent collapse of those towers, should be replayed several times, lest anyone forget what it is we're fighting against...

    November 5, 2011 at 8:00 am | Reply
    • FightsOn

      How is it that the Marine Corps General in command of Afghanistan, who was only days ago on TV with VERY outspoken and politically sensitive criticism of local governments (Pakistan) would fire an Army general who likewise spoke his mind? And wasn't it a Marine General in Iraq who made inappropriate remarks about the "fun of killing" that may have influenced the committing of war crimes (currently in process), but who was not only retained on active duty, but promoted? Is there a double standard? (Answer: yes) Is this payback for the former Afghanistan mission commander (Army) kicking the Marines out of Afghanistan following a fire-control discipline problem in 2007? (Answer: a good bet). Is this an Army-Marine Corps rivalry thing?

      November 5, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
  13. Zulu 6

    MG Fuller told the truth that so many of us would love to be telling everyday. I am "in the fight" and see the absolute waste everyday. $638,000,000+ in CERP dollars spent on a group that is exponentially more corrupt than anything I ever saw in Iraq. What could we have done with these millions for Americas schools and infrastructure... Yes we needed to take down the Taliban but our mistake is thinking we must rebuild an enemies country. The policy should be respect everyone and attempt to live peaceably with the world community. If attacked go big, I mean really big and get it done fast. Then hand them a broom to clean up the mess that they earned by attacking the US. Help our selves, help our friends. Leave the others alone.

    November 5, 2011 at 7:57 am | Reply
  14. Mark

    I hope the administration thought this through – sacking a general for slipping with the truth. He will be on Fox in no time and will have a book published that will be less-than-favorable to Gen. Allen or his bosses.

    November 5, 2011 at 7:30 am | Reply
  15. Wildone

    Freedom of speech, as guaranteed to all Americans by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, is denied those who serve American interest as members of the military. God forbid if soldiers in uniform were allowed to speak their minds. They're told to STFU and do their jobs. Land of the Free? Yeah, right.

    November 5, 2011 at 7:28 am | Reply
    • Rob

      When you put on a uniform, your freedom of speech is curtailed. As a soldier in uniform you are not permitted to speak for yourself when in official capacity, as your remarks can be construed of those of the military as a whole. A general officer in particular should know better. His words carry a great deal of weight with anyone who hears or reads them- that includes the American public, the Afghans, and his subordinates. He has a PR team for reason. He acted unprofessionally, and his statements could, albeit indirectly, cost American lives in the future.

      November 5, 2011 at 7:44 am | Reply
  16. Yuliq

    So what happens when the public gets the word about Gen. Allen's inappropriate remarks to a female captain under his command? Talk about the pot and the kettle...

    November 5, 2011 at 6:26 am | Reply
  17. truth

    Fired for telling the truth. We sure did waste a lot of money and lives there didn't we?!!! Karzai said he would side with Pakistan against America so we should pull out all troops and trainers AND MONEY immediately. See how long he lasts on his own.

    November 5, 2011 at 6:12 am | Reply
    • Dan

      Welcome to the new America – Good luck

      November 5, 2011 at 7:06 am | Reply
  18. joe

    The General's statement may not be that of the ISAF but they are spot on! We are not sacrificing willing anymore we are stuck shelling out money and sacrificing our sons and daughthers for a bunch of ungrateful people hell bent on killing us in their homeland as well as in ours! When is this madness going to stop? Time to bring this war to an end and bring our troops home. If the elite want another paradise playground to hang out in they can shell out the billions tthey make in profits that is not taxed here in the States and pay the Afghan government to secure themselves.

    November 5, 2011 at 5:02 am | Reply
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      March 22, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
  19. laila

    As an Afghan..I must say what he said about Karzai was right and the truth.

    November 5, 2011 at 2:49 am | Reply
    • lies

      Ya im sure you are...

      November 5, 2011 at 4:16 am | Reply
  20. beasterdamus

    Another disinformation piece...Another General being honest gets fired...

    November 5, 2011 at 2:41 am | Reply
  21. Dixie AZ

    Where was hateful michaEL beaming from? Fuller was right.
    Our troops should come home even if the Republicans complain.

    November 5, 2011 at 2:19 am | Reply
  22. Turoq

    I guess we just found a way out of that shithole. Every US soldier who wants to come home should give their opinion about that shithole country to these news people, for sure they will be sent home.

    November 5, 2011 at 1:48 am | Reply
  23. michaEL

    Auschwitz, Dachau, Trebllnka – Eichman: "I was just a cog..."

    And the liberals now trying to make of the US officers obedient, Eichman-like cogs –

    O tempora, o, more – yes, the times of Barack Obama –

    November 5, 2011 at 1:38 am | Reply
    • JBs

      I'm pretty sure working for the government in general, automatically makes you a cog. And oh yes, its always the "liberals" fault, Is that all you right-winged know-nothings can come up with? How about you actually think and gather information before pointing your finger, instead of dumbing people down with your lack of intelligence.

      November 5, 2011 at 1:55 am | Reply
    • Rj

      Not true. All of my fellow Soldiers and I went through the same scrutiny under Bush when I was Iraq. In fact, during visits from Rumsfeld, Soldiers were screened to make sure only non-controversial "quiet" Soldiers could attend and they were then selectively handed cards which had pre-drafted questions which were the only questions that could be asked.

      In any case, it all comes down to international cooperation/image which is why we don't want high officials making these kinds of statements even though we may know it to be true. I get it, just dont always agree with it.

      November 5, 2011 at 2:15 am | Reply
  24. Ramius

    General Allen needs to get his head out of his A#% because its about time someone like Maj Gen Fuller told karzai the dam truth,11.6 billion given to a walking talking (burning the candle on both ends) imbecillic neanderthal, that dont appreciate the great sacrifice our country has made and the ultimate price that our TROOPS have paid for that simpleton. And as far as im concerned Maj General Fuller should be made a four star General and allowed to do in Afghanistan what a osculating onager like gen Allen won't do.............................................................

    November 5, 2011 at 1:35 am | Reply
    • John

      Let's talk about corrupt Governments, I think ours could fall right into that category. General Fuller made a statement that is absolutely true and I am sure that millions of Americans would stand up and agree with him. We give those people billions, in fact, other governments all over the world and what do we get for it? kicked in the groin over and over and our Government doesn't even support our Generals or troops, they hang them out to dry. People kill our soldiers day after day and nothing happens, our soldiers kill one enemy and they are facing life in prison, "how does that happen", huh lo.

      November 5, 2011 at 1:44 am | Reply
      • udontknow

        As a service member, YOU have NO right to get involve in politic. You give that right away when you sign the contract so either suck it up Or be ready to get release/discharge if you decide to speak your mind in politic.

        November 5, 2011 at 4:44 am |
  25. michaEL

    The Obama administration is in complete disaray – and the histerical rection at CORETCT AND JUSTIFIED observations made by Gen. Fuller shows that the crew in the WH see the Mane Telkel Fares creeping on the wall –

    November 5, 2011 at 1:35 am | Reply
  26. michaEL

    Johnny57 & his cohorts are supporters of Auschwitz, Treblinka and Dachau Kamps!
    And so is anyone who supports Fullers firing – that is the liberal crew that tries muffle this odious affair –

    In this case, Johnny57 is just a Obamatroll, and a stupid one for that matter –
    To prove this – Johny – applying your logic, that that means that all the German officers who ran the death camps in Europe were innocent, since they were just observing orders – isn't this right, Johhniy boy?
    Answer now, wise guy –

    November 5, 2011 at 1:27 am | Reply
  27. Thomas Camp

    Now we are censoring our generals? Its about time someone sees reality in afganistan, they have been taught to hate the west, us, and we are dying for them... to pave the way for what? I say send them all to pakistan and make a huge us military base out of the country, we are going to need a big staging area for our next middle eastern challenge I do believe... and will be there a while... I am a proud veteran, and have every bit of respect of all of our military, but am sick to my stomach how washington is afraid of hurting feelings in public and not listening more to the men on the ground... we are not going to fix a thousand yrs of fighting, and hatred toward the west.... "Pave paradise and Put up a parking lot"..

    November 5, 2011 at 1:09 am | Reply
    • Marlon

      I'm too a veteran, these people in washington no nothing about the soldiers up front. It is easy for these pencil pushers to run our military but they know shit how it feels to kill a human being as well as the fear for the lives everytime they go on patrol. The enemy are there well blended in society. There's no win win solution. The reason you why Iraq and afghanistan is a military failure is because of lowering your guards down. US should have used the same tactic they did when Japan and germany was occupied after we won the war.

      November 5, 2011 at 1:53 am | Reply
      • blahblah

        Uhhmm.... minor point.....Our tactic in Japan and Germany after we won the war was to spend billions of dollars rebuilding their nation and their infrastructure. Kind of like we're doing now. Not saying your overall point is wrong, but you might not want to mix your rants.

        November 5, 2011 at 7:23 am |
  28. Padiddle

    Its about time America calls a spade a spade. America should take their money and soldiers and leave the ungrateful middle east to rot.

    November 5, 2011 at 1:02 am | Reply
    • Jake

      Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. Consult a map next time you are going to open your mouth.

      November 5, 2011 at 1:18 am | Reply
      • Brev

        Technically Afghanistan is part of the "Greater Middle East", so maybe you should watch your mouth before you go out of your way to be a giant douche

        November 5, 2011 at 5:52 am |
      • Saxson


        Seriously .. have you ever looked at a map?.. it is too infact part of the Middle East.. so before you spew you're stupidity on forums and make yourself look like a dumbass check ur facts.

        November 6, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
      • Varun

        Oh my goodness!!! I atotlly felt like I was there in the class and feeling your pain. That is so freakin' hilarious! You really have a way with words. Good luck with the many future spin classes to come. So glad you wrote about this before I took a class. I will be sure to start out with the 45 min one for sure. Love your work by the way!

        April 6, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
  29. Critical Thinker

    Military heroes make personal sacrifices. Major General Fuller knew his statements would be an intolerable violation of military discipline and order, but he made the right decision to put the truth in plain view of the American people. He has to retire, but he can hold his head high knowing that he did the right thing. Maybe Hillary should hire him, not as a spokesperson, but as an advisor and then she and Obama should do the right thing...pull the troops out because we have done all we can. The U.S. cannot undue centuries of warring and non-democracy if the Afghan citizens do not truly support it. It's their decision on how to handle Karzai, not ours. Thank you Major General Fuller!

    November 5, 2011 at 12:58 am | Reply
  30. webspy

    Not an easy task, even if I agree with him I am aware the loose lips sink ships category and it pops up, but sorry he must respect chain of command, but if he doesn't the harm done amounts to a time out in Cuba for a weekend!

    November 5, 2011 at 12:51 am | Reply
    • michaEL

      "... chain of command...' – is that Eichman's defense? "I was just a cog..."

      Truthy – before trying to hurt, check your mental abilities –

      November 5, 2011 at 1:30 am | Reply
  31. Hoagie

    That's why I retired from the Air Force at 21 years...I couldn't keep endorsing the "PC" crap. I love it when officers speak the truth under their bosses (Generals). These Generals are nothing more than high paid politicians who have lost touch with military reality. They are the ones who can't function once they leave the military. Nice to hear the Maj speak the truth. The General has "footsteps" all over his back, the Major doesn't.

    November 5, 2011 at 12:49 am | Reply
    • Aaron

      Failure to read the article: the person in question is a Major General...not a Major. And he stained the reputation of the US with his comments. You're a veteran...if you had done that to a magazine, what would your colleagues think of you? What would your superiors think of you?

      November 5, 2011 at 12:51 am | Reply
      • michaEL

        "He stained the reputation of the US with his comments..." –
        Aaaaaaron, can you explain how Fuller stained with his comments the US?

        Also, can you try to sound intelligent?

        Appreciate –

        November 5, 2011 at 1:00 am |
      • Critical Thinker

        We got the gist of Hoagie's comments without you nit-picking him, why didn't you?. A Major General is just a Major to a 4 star and that was Hoagie's sentiment I am sure...usually (but not always) the higher you go, the more detached you are from military reality and the real world. I am a retired military officer and I totally agree with Hoagie's observation.

        November 5, 2011 at 1:08 am |
  32. SkyKing

    He's 100% correct.
    Unfortunately, some things are best left unsaid.

    November 5, 2011 at 12:44 am | Reply
  33. Mary

    I've got no problem with what Fuller said and why should you? Seems our military brass only want kiss a**es in their chain of command. Fuller called a spade a spade, speaking the truth only and not speaking in euphemisms like a politician. Our people have suffered to pay for this war and we should stop paying everyone in the world off and take care of our own!

    November 5, 2011 at 12:28 am | Reply
    • Aaron

      @Mary: Generals are like any other officer – they do as they are ordered and don't make waves. He crossed a line and publicly insulted a US ally, thereby staining our reputation. If a general in the army stains the reputation of the US, he should pay with his job.

      'Incidentally, he knew full well that this would be the end for him...he was probably being very intentional. He'll work out a deal where he retires immediately, most likely.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:49 am | Reply
      • michaEL

        Aaaaaaaron –
        Aaaaaaron aaaare you sure that you are not Johnny57?

        The comment you post here are similar with the posts in WJS, Fox and NewsMax signed by Johnny57 –

        Gosh – Ellie Light hit again –

        November 5, 2011 at 1:04 am |
      • a slozomby

        your delusional if you think afghanistan is an ally.

        November 5, 2011 at 3:22 am |
    • CJH

      agreed... Its very few and far between where you still get a great man making rank of general this one spoke his mind and what he said is true but the PC club at the pentagon cant stand the truth. I feel sorry for the General that they dismissed him like that after the service he gave... takes a lot of years to make 3 or 4 stars....

      November 5, 2011 at 1:37 am | Reply
  34. Tom K

    First it was McChrystal and now Gen Fuller. It would seem that those who tell the truth publicly are to be escorted to the door. Well, let's just bring em all home and let the Taliban sort it out. We have been propping up a crippled Karzai and his crooked henchmen far too long. Give the place back to the sandfleas and cut our losses. We have sacrificed our best and brightest in this quiotic quest.

    November 5, 2011 at 12:23 am | Reply
    • CPT W

      You are spot-on! Gen Fuller is a Soldier's general for speaking the truth, but the Pentagon can't have senior leaders saying the exact same things that battalion commanders and lower have been preaching for years. Karzai continues to disparage our country and our efforts, yet we fire the people who say the same things about him.
      Our military is served by America's finest, yet it has leaders who would be strung up on Wall Street if they were corporate CEOs.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:56 am | Reply
  35. tony_a

    And the truth shall set you free...what a crock!

    November 5, 2011 at 12:20 am | Reply
    • Tom K

      The truth is gonna set him free.................they are gonna 'suggest' he retire!

      November 5, 2011 at 12:26 am | Reply
  36. Patrick

    This betrayal by so-called american (small a intended) diplomats is just another example of people in our own government whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy America and any who would defend her and us. Yet we, the moronic people, put up with this crap and allow our hero’s to be beaten down by those disgusting, gutless representatives that have sleazed their way into positions of power by sacrificing you and me and clearly a competent general. The same thing was done to Patton of course and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the truth came out that these same type of people murdered General Patton. We all have seen how much we have lost in the past decades because of these people so I support the OWS people since they are the only ones with the guts to stand up to those in Govt. and Corp’s that would sell us into slavery to the Chinese or anyone for their own perceived power.

    November 5, 2011 at 12:09 am | Reply
  37. NoTags

    Gen. Fuller is correct. If you want to know what is happening and is going to happen in Afghanistan take the time to watch this documentary that aired on PBS.

    Of course change the dots to .

    November 5, 2011 at 12:09 am | Reply
    • Aaron

      It doesn't matter if Fuller was correct, he was still wrong.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:53 am | Reply
      • michaEL

        RE: Aaron: [...] It doesn't matter if Fuller was correct, he was still wrong. [...]

        Is this Aaron imbecile real, or just an ACORN doped-up operitive? Or is this troll move another successful move of that Republican demon, Karl Rove, to discredit the mental abilities of the Dems?

        November 5, 2011 at 1:08 am |
      • Bravo9

        Aaron, you are a fool for what you are saying. Yes, Generals should respect their chain of command. But at the same time, those who are in command should be held to the standard of giving orders and making decisions that make sense. I commend General Fuller for standing up for what is right. If a superior officer ordered you to kill an innocent civilian, would you comply with that order? I would hope not! Sometimes authority needs to be questioned, especially when you're dealing with people's lives.....which, in my opinion, are infinitely more important than a chain of command.

        November 5, 2011 at 1:16 am |
  38. Sheck

    who knows, maybe the general felt it was time to 'bug out' , 'retire' , 'leave the army' and decided to do so in style. who are we to say 🙂 i would hope that were i in his shoes , i could do it much the same way. it's not like anyone is actually gonna get their pension anyhow, may as well stick someones nuts to the fire on your way out!

    November 5, 2011 at 12:03 am | Reply
  39. ML

    And THIS is what is WRONG with this country! I'd give him another star.

    November 4, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
    • Glenn Tolle


      November 4, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Reply
    • heliocracy

      What country? You mean the great nation of NATO? You might want to work on your reading comprehension.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
      • Nathaniel

        @Helio My friend you need to reread it was an US General that was in command of the NATO security forces. We as Americans will never allow an foreign commander have jurisdiction over American troops, will never happen. I would gave him a promotion to a 5 star general, we need more officers like him.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:14 am |
      • FauxNews

        @Nathaniel, Pershing allowed American soldiers to be under the command of a foreign power at the battle of Hamel in WW1. The British commanded US forces in the China-India theatre during WW2. And, in 1991 a US brigade was placed under the command of the French in the Persian Gulf War, to name a few.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • teejaym

      Karzai's a lying snake who'd just as soon dance in the streets over American deaths than cooperate with American attempts to help him get his alleged county up to speed. Our warriors are hamstrung by political correctness. General Fuller was right on the mark and has my respect for being man enough to say what needed to be said. Allen must have forgotten whose side he's supposed to be on.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:05 am | Reply
      • John1

        @Nathaniel ISAF & NATO (including American troops) has been under the control of a number of different country's Commanders in Afghanistan. As recently as 2010 Lieutenant General Sir Nick Parker, British Army, was named to head up NATO (including American) forces in Afghanistan.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • JulietSierra

      You are exactly right. It's a damn shame.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:37 am | Reply
  40. Stiffsh00ter

    This is the type of man that I would follow into battle any day! Where are the Leaders from the WW2 and Vietnam eras? Back in those days it was almost a requirement for a General to speak his mind and tell it like it is. Now a days those leaders don't make it past the rank of Major because they are seen as a threat to the PC train. We need leadership like him on the top! We didn't win WW2 by playing patty cake with the enemy or worrying about "hurting" someone's feelings if the wrong thing was said. I hope to run into this man someday and buy him a beer!

    November 4, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Reply
  41. Blessed Geek

    Major Gen. Peter Fuller speaks for me.

    November 4, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  42. Olaf Big

    Most anybody who had anything to do with Karzai says that Afghan government is corrupt and the Afghan president is confused and not with it. Punishing a General for stating the obvious is stupid. The US Army officers are not trained to be diplomats, and they should not be. An apology stating that Fuller does not represent the views of the US government and a private warning to him to watch his mouth would be enough.

    November 4, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Reply
  43. michaEL

    Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger! He's caused everything! Shoot the messenger!

    This situation is beyond the worst stories of mediaevel Turkey when maddened sultans were executing inconvenient general – and even if some niceties should be observed in international arena, what Fuller said was a tame comment visavis the grandeur of Karzai's ineptitude, of the reptillian politics of Pakistan, and of the overall moral qualities of the Afghans (WHAT?!!!) –
    And I am certain that Fuller's dismissal came after WH's going ballistic about his remark – and not after an assessment of those who really know what's happening on the ground there, who know who the Afghans and Pakistanis are –

    Poor general Fuller – another honest soldier and US citizens who's been murdered by the political correctness and the falimentary US policy in Afghanistan – the reward for integrity from a country in which the objectives of a community activist brought to power by Hollywood and history's malice transcends morality –
    Why on the earth would one still join the US Army anymore is beyond me –

    Poor Fuller, RIP –

    November 4, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
    • Henry

      Finally someone who is willing to speak the truth. Three cheers for General Fuller.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Reply
    • Patrick

      Having expierenced the military via Vietnam and VA first hand I told my kids if they joined the military I'd shoot them myself. Those who control this country wish to destroy it which doesn't make any sense until you look at what they gain by doing so. Thankfully OWS is now standing up where we so-called Americans fail so I wish them well and luck. Those who despise them are against America and that is a fact.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:18 am | Reply
  44. Truth hurts

    Maybe the Afghan government should take this thought to heart. 🙂

    "Life's tough ... it's even tougher if you're stupid."
    – John Wayne

    November 4, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Reply
  45. mercenary76

    It is always tough on a socialist administration when your top commanders try to speak the truth . The general is fortunate that he was not serving the Russian or Chinese government . The comments he made would at best have him sent to a gulag at worst , well you know what happens to enemies of the state .

    November 4, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • waheid

      ... You mean like the senior officers who were canned during the Bush/Cheney maladministration? Military officers and senior civilian appointees have and always have had two options: support the superiors or resign. Additionally: if you are going to throw terms around like "socialist," try learning what they mean. Or are you one of the many uneducated right wingnuts who are incapable of learning?

      November 4, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Reply
      • Midwestmatt

        With a screen name using "mercenary" you know he hasn't read anything on socialism and what it actually means.

        What he failed to realize is that the man was relieved by a superior in the service, not the POTUS and if he assumes that, then he needs to change his screen name to include "ignorant" because that's what he is.

        Those in the military do not, at any point, have the right to speak their mind in a public forum in such a way that disrespects the service, their country or their leader's stated positions and that's how it goes when you sign up. You give up your right to have your opinion be broadcast to the masses. You can have your own opinion but you keep it to yourself and you do as you are told.

        This General is, IMHO, completely correct in his assertions but he should have kept his mouth shut. I wonder how he would have dealt with a lower ranking soldier telling him what he really thought of his actions. I imagine he would have used every tactic available to a superior officer to maintain order and obedience and that's exactly what happened to the General.

        November 4, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • jimbo55

      Your reference to "socialist" is pretty funny. I don't think you would know what a socialist was if it came up to you and danced on your shoes.

      For the record, I think the general said what is on everyone's mind, but please don't call the Obama administration "socialist". By ANY measure of political leanings by governments around the world, the American government is right of center. The Republican party is even more right of center.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Reply
    • Patrick

      Hey Merk, your sight is far too limited. It is not about this admin it is about any admin going back to WW2 and actually before. There has been a concentrated effort to destroy our best and brightest for decades. Open your eyes and see beyond your manipulated self, you really need to shake the ether out of your head and see what is going on…really.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:25 am | Reply
    • Tawfik

      Awesome. I used to go to the gym at the office, when I krwoed in an office, before work. Spinning was the only morning class. I never tried it, not once. I knew those marathoners in the class 'cause I krwoed with them. Hells no.I do the percentage thing, too.

      April 7, 2012 at 3:47 am | Reply
  46. Dell Stator

    Hard to say.
    Article wont' tell us what the Afgan president said, just that his words were misunderstood.
    The general did a flip flop in Washington, or maybe not, there's nothing contradictory in turning away 1500 recruits a month, that Afgans wanted to serve their country, and previous statements that the Afgan gov't or maybe people, hard to say from this article were divorced from the economic reality of the situation.
    At any rate, the General didn't get to become a General being stupid. He said what he said for a reason, and it might well be he opted to take a political bullet to get some discussion going, have an effect on the Afgan gov't. If so, Bravo.
    If all he was was stating what seems obvious, Bravo too.
    Hiding from the truth does nothing to make a situation better, as the politicans in Washington prove every day.

    November 4, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Reply
    • jason jackson

      Karzai said that if the US went to war with Pakistan that Afghanistan would support Pakistan and not the US.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Reply
  47. Koli

    It's very sad when a Major General is relieved for NOTHING...true, once you become a person of that position, politics become your specialty and not leading. However, this guy is an O-7 in the US Army...don't you think he's earned an opinion!

    November 4, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Reply
    • John

      Not if an O-10 doesn't think so.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Midwestmatt

      He can have all the opinions he wants but he can't tell them to the media.

      I agree with the General on all accounts but he has no right to speak his mind. In fact, he has a duty to do as he is told and to toe the line. Since he was not revealing any criminal activity, he should have zipped it until he retired.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Reply
      • Patrick

        Normally I would agree with you but this is different from his predecessor that was canned; yet, it is your type of thinking that is driving us deeper into debt and losing us power and prestige, good job...

        November 5, 2011 at 12:31 am |
  48. Zulu

    There's nothing in his comments. Always the Truth is harsh.......

    November 4, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Reply
  49. TruthDoesHurt

    Freedom of speech does not apply to the very people who defend it. If you combined the concepts of irony, self-defeating, and plain stupidity, our government would be the epitome of whatever word came out of that union

    November 4, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Reply
  50. Mike

    Read the full story on a real news site (I like the BBC). It is clear that Fuller was simply saying, in no uncertain terms, what most Americans have already concluded. Karzai is in it for the money for himself and his clan. He knows the U.S. won't be there forever so he's taking all he can get as quickly as possible. He'll retire or sell out to whomever is next if the money is good enough. Sadly the real losers here are those who died for what both the Afghan and U.S. leaders (of both parties) promised but will never deliver. This is Viet Nam all over again. Where are the Pentagon Papers?

    November 4, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Reply
    • Midwestmatt

      He can have all the opinions he wants (and I concur with him on all accounts) but he has no right to speak them.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Reply
      • Stiffsh00ter

        Please enlighten me as to why he doesn't have a right....

        November 4, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
      • Patrick


        November 5, 2011 at 12:32 am |
      • Scott

        As with so many things about the US and broader subjects, people don't understand how things really work, especially in the military.

        Most of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are heavily curtailed for those in the military and we all knew that when we enlisted/took our commissions (11y 4mos for me). He knew exactly what he was doing when he made these statements. It's effectively a career-ender but, like other flag officers who have made public statements critical of our mission(s), he felt like it was the only forum to publicly state his opposition and inform more of the public how he views what's going on. It's easy to infer he felt like he was unable to facilitate necessary changes to make the mission more effective and therefore would take a parting shot and remove himself from an untenable situation.

        Additionally, if you think this is unique to any administration, you're sadly mistaken. You will find high-level officers doing this across all administrations going back a very long way. There is no political orientation associated with obeying the Code of Conduct of the US Armed Forces. When you overstep yourself, there will be consequences.

        Many of the comments here only highlight the pervasive ignorance of the American people who allow things like chain emails spouting baldfaced lies, which are easily discredited, to be accepted as fact. If there was a chain email claiming the universe was geocentric, probably 45% of the conservative caucus would support it in a referendum. Scary, but there are parallels to be drawn with my analogy.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
  51. Marty

    This is what you get for telling it like it is...we all know that what the fired General said is true. We should get the hell out of there ASAP....Bin Laden is dead and the Afghans are a bunch of ungrateful 10th century cave men that are never going to change. We should not allow another one our guy's to get hurt over there for these idiots !

    November 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Reply
    • anarkynow

      Agree with a lot of what you say, I would only add, let's make sure no one else can ever attack us from that place, Leave a HUGE HOLE behind.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Reply
      • Dragon

        I could not agree more! Having served 6 months in that shithole, I can tell you that we have wasted time, money and most importantly, TOO MANY LIVES there! We should have nuked the damn place 10 years ago and called it good! They will never advance as a civilization, no matter what you do for them or how much money you give them. TIme to pull out! I think the MG said the right thing and it is too bad our shitty government (and current military leaders) canned him for speaking the truth and calling them out! Fuller's comments WERE honest and appropriate! Too bad "freedom of speech" ruined the rest of his career!

        November 4, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
      • Retired Vet

        Maybe we should have learned a few lessons from the Russians and maybe the General had seen enough of the crap and wanted to "retire" early.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • PRIC are an idiot..plain and have no idea what is going on in Afghanistan. MG Fuller is spot on, even though there are good people in Afghanistan the mayority don't appreciate the sacrifices we are doing for them. Unless you experience first hand what is going on in this country shut your mouth or do something of worthy value for our country.

      November 5, 2011 at 1:20 am | Reply
    • johnny57

      It appears that we still have some unfinished business over there. Ayman al-Zawahiri is still on the loose.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:02 am | Reply
  52. Miltonboy

    Well, General, run for Congress. . .you've got my vote. Agree 100%!!

    November 4, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Reply
    • Erin

      Agreed !

      November 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      I guess you will be voting for Ron Paul while you are at it. Well go ahead. Hey, maybe you should go to Antarctica. You might be able to start your own country there.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Reply
      • Miltonboy

        That didn't even make sense!! LOL.

        November 4, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
      • michaEL

        Johnn, since you are sio consumed by Ron Paul, can you advise regarding the following US presidential candidacy – details found on a AP photo of Fraziskus School (Djakarta, Indonesia) registration page:
        1) name: Barry Soetero –
        2) citizenship: Indinesian –
        3) religion: Muslim –

        Come on, Jonny boy, you sure can do it –

        November 4, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
      • Midwestmatt

        michaEL- Really? Weak.

        November 4, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
      • jersey3038

        I'm voting for Ron Paul.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Rj

      Agreed! I bet you the majority of folks in ISAF agree with his comments based on my experience when i was there. Punished for being blunt, not allowed in Army.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  53. michaEL

    RE: Johnny57 = pathetic troll –
    Folks, there is a crappy troll here who tries to muffle this shameful story, intervening in his posts as an appear calling for patriotism, patience and confidence in the benevolent wisdom of Barry Soetero who chief concerns woukd be the well-being of this country –

    Johny 57, you're a loser – you keep posting the same crap on WSJ and LA Times –
    Hehehe – say hello the Ellie Light –

    November 4, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      I'm just telling it like it is. The guy shot his mouth off and he was canned. If you're in the military you have to take orders!! It is not a free-for-all in there. There is only one boss, the commander in chief, the honorable Barack Obama!

      I am not the troll, you are,you little pubturd, teabagging freak.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Reply
      • george


        November 4, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
      • Silvio

        You are a worthless moron. Your mom is wishing she used the pill more often and not had you.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • Midwestmatt

      michaEL- Weak. Your posts are disproved drivel and your positions are based on fake news and false "facts".


      November 4, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Reply
      • michaEL

        Flathead, it's a Caps Lock typo – in case Michael is better, then internalize this, that then come back with some prove of intelligence – but since I know you from Madison U, I doubt that you can –
        And don't forget to vote for Bloomberg –

        November 5, 2011 at 1:17 am |
  54. Erin

    To those who say he is wrong for speaking out – how many have deployed or worked as a contractor there? How many have seen the reality of the situation for themselves as opposed to believing whatever their political party tells them is going on? How many have had their "counterparts" which they train day in and day out turn the very weapons we provided them, on them? How many have seen the corruption first hand? Its a whole different story when your not sitting comfortable behind desk or in your house with your family. Props to him for having the ball to do what so many are refusing to do because they care more about the advancement of their own career.

    November 4, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Reply
  55. michaEL

    Shoot the messenger! Shoot the messenger! He's caused everything! Shoot the messenger!

    This situation is beyond the worst stories of mediaevel Turkey when maddened sultans were executing inconvenient general – and even if some niceties should be observed in international arena, what Fuller said was a tame comment visavis the grandeur of Karzai's ineptitude, of the reptillian politics of Pakistan, and of the overall moral qualities of the Afghans (WHAT?!!!) –
    And I am certain that Fuller's dismissal came after WH's going ballistic about his remark – and not after an assessment of those who really know what's happening on the ground there, who know who the Afghans and Pakistanis are –

    Poor general Fuller – another honest soldier and US citizens who's been murdered by the political correctness and the falimentary US policy in Afghanistan – the reward for integrity from a country in which the objectives of a community activist brought to power by Hollywood and history's malice transcends morality –
    Why on the earth would one still join the US Army anymore is beyond me –

    Poor Fuller, RIP –

    November 4, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Reply
    • Midwestmatt

      Good soldiers don't shoot their mouth off. Plain and simple. Do as you're told or don't join up.

      Fuller is correct in his assessments but he has absolutely no place in taking them to the media. I could only imagine how he would deal with an insubordinate subordinate which is exactly what he was.

      November 5, 2011 at 12:00 am | Reply
      • Patrick

        Your a good drone so shut up since you have no brain and do as your told, moron.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:36 am |
      • Jim

        I guess then how many times would you let someone fuck you in the ass without being a man.

        November 6, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  56. seeia

    Obviously, Karzai is a CIA agent, they tell him what to do and say, he was told this to make Afghanistan look like a real country as if he doesn't take orders from anyone and he runs the country himself. But you guys will never know reality because you are too caught up in believing whatever they say.

    November 4, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Jim

      You know how much of the 8 billion dollars from last year went to Karzai's Swiss account. 2.7 billion........

      November 6, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Reply
  57. TPF

    That's the government for you, you can get yourself killed by the thugs, but God forbid you say the honest truth and offend the very ones that were trying to help. Look at the Pat Tilman case and you can see to what extremes the military and government will go to for a cover up and hide the truth. poor fellow got killed by his own men and the military and government lied about it for years. And this General gets canned for saying what;s really going on over there.

    November 4, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      If you are a general you need to do a couple things. One, you need to take orders. Two, you don't go shooting your mouth off. This guy shot his mouth off, and he was not a diplomat. He will need to us a little more tact in his next job.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Reply
      • Midwestmatt

        Amen. Good soldiers do what they're told and even though this guy said what is obviously the truth, he had no place to trumpet it to the media. He got exactly what he deserved.

        November 5, 2011 at 12:02 am |
  58. Tactical Conflict Management Solutions

    They want the bomb (Iran), what do you think I asked for.

    November 4, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  59. dmf0786

    The Afghan leaders are " isolated from reality." This is one of the rare occasions the truth about President Karzai , his family , friends and the ruling elite of Afghanistan , has been spoken in public , by a U. S. General serving in Afghanistan . What is wrong with this statement ? There is another recall of a General from Afghanistan . They only live who dare ! There is an urgent need of nation building here in these United States . The Obama administration should face the truth and bring all the troops home .

    November 4, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      We are working on that. The president is bringing our boys home from Iraq. We have plans for Afghanistan. Also we still haven't got Ayman al-Zawahiri. We sill have some business to take care of there.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Reply
      • JeffinIL

        We have no unfinished business in Afghanistan other than declaring victory and coming home. We told the Taliban to give up bin Laden or we're coming in. They refused. We went in. He's gone. Victory. Time to come home. If that government cannot stand after all this time then it doesn't deserve to.

        November 4, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
  60. g.r.r.

    Thank you general. What you said was spot on. It is horrible the thought that Afghanistan would stand with pakistan if we went after taliban.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • david

      Somebody finally telling the truth. Cut all aid and left the bastards fend for themselves. We can't lift them from the stone age when they don't want to do anything but keep women covered head to toe and out of school.
      Let Iran worry about supporting them.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Reply
  61. Thomas

    He told Politico he recently told the Afghans: "I said, 'You guys are isolated from reality.' The reality is, the world economy is having some significant hiccups. The U.S. is in this (too). If you're in a very poor country like Afghanistan, you think that America has roads paved in gold; everybody lives in Hollywood. They don't understand the sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security. And I think that's part of my job, to educate 'em."

    Major Gen. Peter Fuller should be given a job with the State Department with a 20% pay rase !

    The Truth sets you Free , Unfortunately that dose not apply in the military !

    November 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      Gen. Fuller needs to do as he is told. I am sorry but you are relieved of duty.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Reply
  62. johnny57

    I think some of the people posting here don't understand that we can't have multiple chiefs on this. There is only one, our commander in chief, the honorable Barack Obama!! So get in line, or take a court martial!! We are at war, and we're not going to be putting this to a vote at this time.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Reply
    • AFSOC1stSgt

      Yeah johnny57, you go ahead and "get in line" with your "Honorable Barack Obama" and regurgitate the WH propaganda lines: "All is well in Afghanistan". The Afghan leaders are competent, loyal, friends of the US". You can fault the general for failure to follow orders as to public statements and not following the chain of command if you want. But, you know (if you have any idea of the real situation in A-stan) that what he says is the truth.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Reply
      • michaEL

        Johnny57 is just a Obamatroll, and a stupid one for that matter –
        To prove this – Johny – applying your logic, that that means that all the German officers who ran the death camps in Europe were innocent, since they were just observing orders – isn't this right, Johhniy boy?
        Answer now, wise guy –

        November 5, 2011 at 1:23 am |
    • Rick

      The US should be getting a cut from their opium trade.

      November 5, 2011 at 6:49 am | Reply
    • Jim

      I wish we only had more good Generals like Fuller. Hey Johny stand in line under your Honorable and get rammed in the ass

      November 6, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Reply
  63. Jeb

    Of course the wants to cover up the truth of what is happening in Afghanistan. We are trowing billions away each week on these corrupt clowns that would throw us under the bus at the first opportunity.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • jersey3038

      You are so right. We have no business there. Greed is never a reason to put our finest americans in harms way. They will never support our views and will stab us in the back first chance they get. We need to pull out of all of these countries. This is the military industrial complex plying it's influence. Hey it's not our job to fix these countries.

      November 4, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Reply
  64. Patrick A.

    How i hell did this guy got to be a general,so he really believe that we Invaded Afghanistan in order o help Afghans,lol.
    Since when Invaders invade in order to help the local population.

    I can tell him this, the Afghans ate way brighter the he is,they know that,just like when the Soviets invaded them it was for their own selfish reasons and so for Americans.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Ehsan

      Can you elaborate on how Afghans living under the dictatorship of Taliban were better off ? I am from that region and I have lived under the religious dictatorship that does not listen to logic. How can you even make a foolish statement like this ? Afghans are given a chance to a better future. Most of us Afghans know this. Yes, the road is a hard one ahead of us and we had to make sacrifise but this is a price that we had to pay. You can not simply cure cancer with Aspirin and sometimes the patient needs to do chemo and suffer before it gets better. Get your facts straight before coming and making all of us look bad.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
      • Jim

        That may be true but the minute the US pulls out the Taliban will take over because the people of Afganistan fear the Taliban

        November 6, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Bill Dennison

      If you had a better command of the English language you might have a bit more credibility. But that's OK . . . looks like you vocabulary is on a par with your understanding of global affairs.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Reply
      • John

        " You vocabulary" !!! and what was it that you were preaching !!! The Poster above you probably speaks more languages than you being that he is from Afghanistan.

        November 4, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • Patrick

      Have another drink since one more for you won't seem to matter

      November 5, 2011 at 12:37 am | Reply
  65. dave254usa

    U.S. general relieved of duty for disparaging Afghan government?
    Seems to me he is more aware of reality than our Idiot-in-Chief is.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      Oh, if you are so smart why don't you run for president? Better get going, it is going to be a long ride for you.

      November 4, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Reply
    • cheeka

      But dont you think Afghan government works very closely with the American government and that disparaging one is the same as denouncing other?

      November 4, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Reply
  66. Truth-Hurts

    If ANY portion of our government hides the truth is should come to light. Whomever brings it to light should be rewarded. Truth is the only thing that can help us at this point.

    Oh and those stating nothing in it for the Big Corporations.... You should look up Tran-Afghanistan Pipeline. Its the 800-pound gorilla no one is talking about.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Reply
  67. Bill Kolek

    "As you may know, I agree with the President on just about everything, but he is wrong on this one....This man is being honest and telling nothing but the truth...He should not be punished for this..It is refreshing to hear such honesty coming from, of all people, a general who probably knows more about this country than most CIA agents..."

    November 4, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Reply
    • Truth-Hurts

      The general should be rewarded by the people for speaking the truth. No matter what portion of the government he comes from, truth is paramount especially now.

      Oh and those stating nothing in it for the Big Corporations.... You should look up Tran-Afghanistan Pipeline. Its the 800-pound gorilla no one is talking about.

      November 4, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  68. Kman821

    "The Afghan people are an honorable people, and comments such as these will not keep us from accomplishing our most critical and shared mission – bringing about a stable, peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan."

    Too bad we don't have a "shared mission" at home to accomplish these goals for Americans.

    November 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Reply
  69. Tina

    AS a military wife I applaud him for what he has said because I think the majority of this country feels the same way! Those people don't want to help themselves, they want us to do everything and I for one am tired of it! Karzai is corrupt and everything else that he said about him. I am tired of being politically correct, it is time they hear the truth and if the truth hurts Oh well ! So much money wasted and lives for people who don't care! It is time to come home!

    November 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      Well, thank you for your opinion, but we don't have time to put this up to a vote in case you didn't know. We still have some business to take care of over here. We can't just be pulling out on a moment's notice.

      November 4, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  70. DC Observer

    Good for the General – he speaks the truth. It is time for the US to just pack its bags and bring all the troops home NOW

    The Presidential candidate who promises to vacate Afghan ASAP gets my vote -- and shame on Obama and the Congress (both sides) for failing to stand up and tell the truth about the corrupt Afghan government -- when we leave you can bet they will side with Pakistan and the Taliban

    November 4, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Reply
    • johnny57

      Whose side are you on? If you don't like it here, in the good ole' US of A, maybe you had better leave!! Or maybe you can go to West Point and take the general's place!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

      November 4, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Reply
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