By CNN Foreign Affairs Correspondent Jill Dougherty reporting from Dushanbe, Tajikistan
This summer the United States met with the Haqqani terrorist network at the request of Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI, according to a senior State Department official.
That official traveling with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Pakistan, told reporters “it was one meeting in the summer, the ISI asked us to have it, the Afghans also knew about it.”
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first mentioned the contact with the Haqqani network during a roundtable discussion with Pakistani journalists in Islamabad Thursday.
“We have reached out to the Taliban, we have reached out to the Haqqani network,” she said, “to test their willingness and their sincerity and we are now working among us – Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States – to try to put together a process that would sequence us toward an actual negotiation.”
Clinton called it a “preliminary meeting to essentially just see if they would show up for even a preliminary meeting."
“We believe that there is now an opportunity for us to begin talking but there is no guarantee that the talking will move us toward anything that will result in a peaceful resolution," Clinton added.
Briefing reporters after the round-table the senior State Department official, speaking on background because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issues, said “We have had a lot of informal straws in the wind” to support the Afghan process of reconciliation.
In the meeting with the Haqqanis, the official said, the U.S. message was “very clear:” the door is open to those who can meet red lines set by the Afghans and Americans for any reconciliation: renounce violence, renounce al Qaeda and accept the Afghan constitution’s guarantees for the rule of law and women’s rights.
“Those who want to keep fighting us and the Afghans,” the official said, “we are prepared to fight.”
The key issue in reconciliation, the official explained, is “how you conduct the dialogue.” Pakistan, Afghanistan and the United States all agree on the “red lines” and that it must be an Afghan-led process. Pakistan must “play its part to encourage reconciliation and if the U.S. can play a helpful role, the official said, “then we would be available to do it.”
But talking is just one side of a new formulation of U.S. strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan: “fight, talk and build.”
During Clinton’s trip to Pakistan, the official said, “We talked about the need for steps in days and weeks, not in months and years. We want to inject a sense of urgency in articulating and implementing the squeeze strategy on this side of the border….the situation is urgent.”
That echoed what the Secretary of State herself said at the roundtable:
“In order to get to the talking, you have to keep fighting.”
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Hillary clinton is totally nuts.."reaching out2 efforts to the taliban and dealing with a double-faced LYING crooked sh+thole government like pakish+tstan??? what's next..bring Hitler back and do him a bl++wjob..oval office monica lewisky style???
awesome...your language just tells me what respectable family you belong to......you think talking like that will make your point..it doesn't do anything except what kind of language you speak at home with your kids and parents...if only you know who is your real father is... lol
AND BESIDES..you guys are spitting out poison.. and all that means is your drinking your own poison...so continue with the attitude you have and the world will continue to be as gloomy as it is
agar Pakistan ka asli sacred cruulte dekhna hai to watch Pakistan PM Gilani press Paki boob in broadcast Pakistans Law Minister scratching his balls on national TV sari duniya dekh rahee hai pehle dekh lijiye phir shauk se comment karna kuchh to sharam karo be gairato tum hypocrites ho bas soft targets hit karte ho american Whirr Attacks roz hote hain-innocent maare jate hain tum laura pakad ke bas ghumao kuchh dum dikhaao now cutitoff bevjeh bakwaas maar rahe hain
AND ITS FUNNY HOW THEY HAVE MONEY FOR WARS BUT CANT FEED THE POOR
learn to accept one another and instead of talking about each other based on race and culture/origin learn how to help each other. its a deadly cycle and everyone just keeps adding to it ..which makes them even more ugly..the media is ugly too.dont believe what they put out..cuz once again..it is them putting it out so how great can it be? ..OPEN YOUR EYES
It is people like you guys the reason we have wars and hatred.. pure ignorance
Goto paparazzinc. c o m look in quote box. Find quote relevant to this article. Search. Read. Now ask yourself. Who was right? Which quote applies and why? ...... Absolutely disgusting –paparazzinc.c o m
A complete unfiltered unmitigated disaster. We do not know what we are doing. This is obvious. The president of Iran is completely right about the U.S. We are weak and everybody hates us. But, and this is a big but, we have earned this hatred the american way. We did it our way. We EARNED it. -paparazzinc. c o m
Absolutely amazing! We are the terrorists not them! We have become them! It's so obvious even a conservative can see this... –paparazzinc. c o m
Hyperbole doesn't replace facts.
The USA has been a nation for 235 years. It has been at war for 209. It talks of peace. It is a dragon in sheeps clothing.
so true....but it won't be for too long.....trust me...
And for 236 years haters have been saying we will fail, but we somehow rule all you mothers lol
in case some of you cab drivers have forgotten, we were attacked on 911. Its not our fault these goona bit off more than they could chew.
First of all, support your claim and numbers. Second, we end up policing the world because no one is responsible enough to wipe their own ass.
I suspect his numbers are bogus.
@dlmcc1010...you are an idiot.....you think all asians/aabs are cab drivers....its the same if i start to believe all blacks are criminals, all mexicans are illegals and all white are either drunk or gays...... for your information... I am an Arab and I am a surgeon at one of the famous VA hospitals taking care of your brothers who returned from the war wounded...and you know what....i really don't care if they are bombing there and killing innocents, I still treat them with respect..also out of my batch of 22, 20 white, one black, I was the only one volunteered to work there....so don't make judgements when you don't know anything...... America is strong because its UNITED......characters like you point fingers at others and promote hatred......what if even I was a cab drive....its better than a criminal....drunk.....podophile...etc.....in this economy nobody knows what gonna happen....so anyone can end up on streets and may have to drive cab...
@jimmyjohns...atleast you admitted US is wiping Arabs shit.... i liked that... lol
Arabs just hit everyone
I say this because I live in Ashkelon, hundreds of Qassam rockets falling all over my city, the Arabs themselves make all residents of Israel treat them like that!
All the world's problems because of the Arabs
Israel: They are firing rockets, and want only to destroy Israel (the North: Lebanon and Syria, southern Egypt, the Near East: Jordan), the Arabs are full of terrorist attacks, protesters in Jerusalem,
Around the world: full of terror, violence, Arabs hurt innocent people, did not help any country to any subject (not financially, not intellectually, not economics, or any other subject
ok jew boy, and Israel is the most moral and princely country in the world. HA!
if Arabs are so bad then why US continue to kiss their a**** for oil......this war, politics, terrorism.....its all related to GREED, MONEY.......US wants war once every 20-30 yrs at least somewhere in the world so they can sell their weapons... Israel....is going to get extinct the day US goes bankrupt...so JEW boy...make sure your family gets out of there safely...before these ARABS run all over you.....all your friendly leaders....are going out of power...and you know it well...arabs hate jews and zionists....so when new govt come in power in Libya, Egypt, Yeme, Jordan and Syria....Israel will be in deep shit and you know what US won't help you anymore as it is also licking gits own woounds and getting bankrupt from all the wars.... you even lost your other ally turkey...i can't believe the let that happen...end is near
Jew Boy is drunk on Sabbath? Lol....you Isrealis are so full of crap...the biggest terrorists are Isreali Jews and not Arabs
Why dont you go tell this to Palestinians directly? Take your white azz there and see what happens if you arent a journalist. Make sure and smile for the camera in your kidnapping video on Hamas TV! Maybe it will come on before the Jihad Mickey Mouse show they got over there. – Obama 2012
"All the world's problems because of the Arabs"
Well that pretty much tells the rest of us we can safely put you on "ignore."
Silly Republicans.
The "surge" in Iraq worked because our tax dollars paid the Iraqis who were shooting at and killing our troops to switch sides.
Not to mention other past events in US history, like Reagan negotiating with terrorist Iran for the release of US hostages in exchange for weapons... (Carter "sent in the troops and Republicans slammed him for it...)
Then there are all of the numerous terror groups (like the Contras) funded and supplied with the help of our government for various "strategic" reasons...
So I can't take any conservative seriously when they go off on a mad screaming session about "bowing to the terrorists"...
Al Qaida has been decimated. The Taliban, Haqqani and others actually live in Afghanistan and unless we want to commit genocide and permanently keep that dump, sooner or later they will come to the table and lay down arms – for a price – just like the Iraqis and their "awakening councils"...
Yes, Hillary is looking for headlines. She wants to be Prs. and run the chicken coop in teh balck house in Washington. Yes Hillary we understand, power is all you care for and of course cash. Why don't you do some real work for a change? Take a real job and feel what is like to work. Well, that is the Clinton motto, get all you can and lie as much as you have to to get what you want. The mega crooks " Clinton Hillary and Bill ".
It is very clear that you are a desperate, pathetic and lying dim/lib. You really need to stop reading from the liberal hand book of lies-Grow Up
Its funny because hes right on the money. ALL OF THOSE THINGS HE SAID ARE TAKING PLACE. Look at Fast & Furious buddy, you dont think shady deals are taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan? Thats how they do business in muslim countries. You should start reading period, educate yourself and pull back the blindfold. Ever heard of Air America? You do know we supported Saddam and the Taliban right?
This is a sign of the times...
We are not only TALKING TO TERRORISTS...
We are BOWING to them!
Lets bring the troops home and END THIS MESS once and for all!
After all, Afghanistan belongs to the Afghan people and we are NOT WELCOME there!
Thank you!
Well if Afghanistan ever wanted peace they would get it. It's 100% their fault for this war. As long as there are major networks of terrorism in Afghanistan, the US will keep killing them. Simple as that. If Aghanistan wants peace they are going to have to deal with the terrorists themselves.
You don't realize one thing jon Afghans will fight for a 100 years if they have to. Heck they have been fighting for 30+ years already.
Not only bowing buddy but kissing their feet, The soviets did the same thing by the end when they realized the war cannot be won. Its all to save face.
Some people forget that the war in Afghanistan is not against Afghanis, and not a war of choice. If we just run out of there without a clean up and leaving a strong system, fundamentalists will be back in power and a repeat of Al Qaeda and 911-like terrorism on our soil will recur.
Diplomacy is to talk to your enemies and people who differ with you. Not like the Bush era when we were just talking to only who agree with us. What good you get from talking to people who unconditionally agree with you?
Grow up. Stop repeating hollow propaganda.
Why is it that the pathetic left always wants to reach peace accords with the enemy. Has the enemy ever started peace talks with us-NO-–How many times can ole fatithful lackie HC and others constantly travel to the same countries, utter the same BS and nothing takes place--now that is a real foreign policy success–not
Sorry, DC, negotiating with terrorists is wrong. It'll never get anywhere. It's naive, as well, to think that those who have sworn to kill and die would live up to any agreement that was reached. And anyone who goes to a meeting with them is lucky to escape alive.
Talking to enemies is not trusting, and does not change enemies status to friends. Diplomacy is more complex than black and white.Diplomacy is one way to come closer to our goals, not change them.
The US wont walk away from this region like the have done in Iraq. Watch and see..
So Iraq is ending in December. We are trying to talk our way out of Afghanistan. In two years ine same situation will be in place as before we invaded only different names. Again we have wasted American lives and money for what?
Nothing!
I am SOO proud of you Veena you cant possibly imigane. Excellent job standing up for yourself. I made this account on youtube just to be able to comment on this video. This should clarify alot. Keep it up
To clean up an area where terrorism grew to attack the US and the West. You forgot 9/11, and the attacks in England, Spain, Yemen, etc?
Either you have a short memory, or repeating hollow political propaganda.
I see all of you blaming every other country for the mayhem and murder, violence begets violence on all sides. STOP IT!. There has been too much innocent blood spilled in all these countries MOST OF THE LIVES LOST WERE CHILDREN. Including American soldiers who were barely out of their teens.
When will you all wake up, there are so many ways to live without all this talk of killing each other. For Gods Sake. Peace to all..
Definition of terrorist: Anyone who puts up resistance against US occupation.
here here
Simple as that? I seem to recall an unoccupied country that promotedterrorism against the west, including 9-11. The Haqqanni have every right not to want us there, but the provocation for U.S. invading Afghanistan was quite clear, unlike Iraq. The Pashtuns & Taliban will need to learn to co-exist with all the other tribes & beliefs in their area for a new promise to emerge.
Yes. But US alies who put up resistance are called "Freedom Fighters". Those they disagree with who do the same thing are "Terrorists". Go figure.
How weak and spineless to negotiate with the human filth that the Haqqani and Taliban are, yet we are giving in to both. How shameful.
How weak and spineless to believe we as a country know how to deal with every other countries problems by dropping bombs and then picking up the pieces. Good job in Vietnam. Good job in Cuba. Good job in Korea. Good job in Iraq. Good job in Afghanistan. The US and our allies deal with terrorists every day as a matter of doing business. Pakistan is nothing but a terrorist network and we give them billions in aid. We give the Israelis billions in aid to do the same thing we do, bomb, kill and no negotiations. Your comment is weak and if you continue to think discussion weakens a nation, you are sadly mistaken and doomed to repeat past mistakes.
Martin: you should read our history. Since the Civil War, we have reached out to our enemies and have tried to reach a common ground and reconcile. This very process gave birth to our "Union". It wasn't spineless or weak to talk to the idiotic South, nor was it weak to talk to despotic rulers across the globe or terror organizations like IRA, ETA, etc. This is a new world. Negotiation matters and it works. Yee-haw and dropping bombs don't.
Pakistan has lost its fair share of lives and the economy has been pretty much shot. Get of your high pedestal and see the world for what it is. The US called these same haqqanis mujahideen, freedom fighters when it suited there interests, read ghost wars by robert cohen and you'll see why US generals termed them the "best at killing soviets." So please every dollar the US funded these haqqanis the saudis matched it and now we have the quagmire called Afghanistan. All in all the nexus of terrorism has been the US, as long as they suit their "interests."
I wish you anti-American fools would bury your head up your arse. Oh that's right it is already there
Well Me3 I suggest you get out of MY country befire I find you. Start running.
oh a private mercenary running thru America oh yes the land of the free
While I agree with Robert's sentiments, I don't agree with his methodology. If people don't agree with my sentiments about our great country they can rally in the street in front of my house, but don't step into my property or I will exercise the Castle Doctrine. By the way, I am no Bush fan either. G.H.W., G.W., Jeb and especially Neil. People are too quick to forget how Neil destroyed the Savings and Loan industry in Texas. I would never vote a straight ticket, and will NEVER vote for anyone named Bush.
Oh Shut up and stick that shotgun up your azz
As we get ready to pull completely out of Iraq, I wil say again what I have said from the start. Saddam Hussein may have been a bad guy who killed some of his own people. But that was no reason to justify our actions. The two Bush's are responsible for the deaths of many more Iraqis than Saddam. We will leave having killed a sovereign leader for the wrong reason, no matter how much you may not like the guy, and will have completely destroyed that country and its infrastructure. I hope the world never forgets the attrocities of Abu Grave, Blackwater (Cheney's private vigilante army of professonal killers and thugs), and Cheney's torture tactics. Our efforts in Iraq will never be something I can b e proud of. We are a nation of laws. Cheney's attitude that the end justifies the means is just wrong. He broke the law and the U.S. has commited many attrocities for which he and Bush deserve to be brought before the Internatinoal court.
THen do you also agree that we had not right interfering in a civil war in Libya? Obama just ordered the murder of the Libyan head of state. Is that different?
They are worried that his grave will turn into a rally point for others? I thought he was so hated and all the people are celebrating his death.. Why are they fearing him so much even in his death, almost like what happened to Jesus , when the jews had roman soldiers come and guard his tomb.
Saddam was tried and hanged by Iraqi's/ The US did not kill him. The ink in the history books on this isn't even dry – which means you were alive and supposedly paying attention? Evidently not.
wow how misguided! insaetd of bombs, insert the bullets from guns. that's how mostly Bed-Stuy peeps are being killed by.always protesting up the wrong tree. There were more projects peeps being shot & killed than U.S Army Soldiers fighting a war in Iraq. Go figure!?
We will go nowere unless we return to "rule by laws and not by men." Young Bush and diccless Cheney need to be brought to justice by the American people before the Hague.
"Those who want to keep fighting us and the Afghans,” the official said, “we are prepared to fight.”.
DUHHHHH
Why doesn't our Stupid negotiator goes on the front lines and tries risking his own life along with our soldiers instead of making dumb comments.
We are fighting a useless war...destroying our Economy, our image, our men.
Right from the begining the Talibs were ready to hand over Osama in a third country provided we gave them a gurantee of a fair trial along with some proofs... But no sir, we were too arrogant, wanted get on the objective right away instead of beating around the BUSH.... and that's how we got stuck... anyhow now since the OBL chapter is closed for good, so why the hell are we staying there..../
Its not America's interest that they are serving. Its their own interest. That's why they had Osama killed rather then a fair trial. They have skeletons in their closet and they wanna keep them inside. US lives and money does not concern them. If they truly believed in democracy and ideals they would have fair trails. Not delivering justice Al Qaida Style.
I have an idea that will stop the war in Afghanistan AND Iraq...... LEAVE!! JUST FREAKING LEAVE!! We should NOT have invaded those countries and WE SHOULD LEAVE!! Who cared about Iraq before the govt LIED about WMDs? NO ONE! It was all lies to justify an invasion for OIL PROFITS!! It's all laid out in the PNAC!! Go read that and you will know the REAL reason we are in Iraq!
Your opinion serves as an excellent reminder of the freedoms we all enjoy will living in this great democracy. Freedoms not found under Isalimic rule.
Amen to that! LOL!
Since you can't even spell Islamic, I doubt you even know anything about Islam. But don't worry the process of Islamization of America has started and soon all shall bow. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....
typical
both parties are terrorists
neither side is innocent on this topic
both have and will negotiate with terrorists
also, once again it takes a democrat to finish what a GOP started
war in iraq officially over this year
Like when a Republican (Nixon) pulled us out of Vietnam (started by a Dem)
AMERICA NEEDS TO QUIT TAKING ORDERS FROM NON NATIVE AMERICANS! DONT BEND THE RULES FOR TERRORISTS.
And I think USA should stop giving advice to the rest of the world as if they were a perfect example!
Really? Non Native Americans? You make me laugh because America is full of non native americans.....however, this Cherokee Native American says what goes around comes around. You can't claim something, or "discover" something that was discovered before you laid eyes on it.
Amen brother. Ask any Aztec. (I'm Mexican) Oh wait, you can't. Anyway, warfare is a tricky business often without tidy outcomes. If you look at the history of the endevour, armies united on the open field usually had a discussion held in the middle by the negotiating general or squire. One side says bollocks, enter the "Let's Get In On" ref. Negotiating with the enemy is cunning, requires artful skill and incredible manipulation tactics to leverage your position before you have to get nasty. Now with today's m.o. of warfare such talks usually take place on a diplomatic level. One side says bollocks and boom, we told you so. I'm not defending any position on either war merely pointing our the dance steps. Dialog is the first step in avoiding, or furthering conflict and the greatest asset to any political or military tactitian. If we can avoid this let's talk. Ever been in a bar fight? I've negotiated my way out of many by being pragmatic and diffusing the situation even if my chances were overwhelmingly in my favor. Pretty simple philosophy.
Then that rule would exclude you first. Isn't it?
And, we stopped listening to you !!!
LOL !!!
That could be a dangerous meeting. I pray she will come home safe.
Um.. you are kidding me right? Not only was she not in danger, this happened MONTHS AGO!! Did you even read the article?
How much tribute will be required to make the Haqqani terrorists quietly go away?
We do not negotiate with terrorists period..!! Unless we have to of course...All governments lie all the time...
NO DEALS WITH TERRORISTS! How hard is it for the Obama administration to understand that simple concept? I guess this shows us how much of a gutless coward this failed administration truly is. Jimmy Carter didn't even screw the nation this badly... At least Obama can say he lived up to his promise of change by getting America's credit rating destroyed in just 4 years.
I get where you're coming from and I agree... But if you're going to slam the Obama administration for negotiating with terrorists, don't forget to slam the Reagan administration for setting the precedent.
God spoke with Bush. Why is he not speaking with Obama?
I guess Obama doesn’t believe in imaginary friends – Probably due to all the coke Bush snorted when he thought he was young and hip...!!
Dessler, you are a moron! Do you think you can kill terrorists by just dropping bombs and sending in troops?
Just like Reagan with the Iran-Contra fiasco.
Yes also the promise to get US out of Iraq
really?
r u that stupid?
bush came into office with the LARGEST surplus ever!
in 8 short years he managed to turn that into the BIGGEST deficit ever!
you would have thought the american people knew bush was a moron when he bankrupted a MLB team?
The American people, especially Texans, forgot about Neil Bush single handedly bringing down the savings and loan industry in Texas. Giving himself big multi-million dollar loans that he never could (or did) pay back.
Best advice, if the BUSH name ever appears on a ballot again, and I'm sure it will, just vote for the other guy. Nobody ever made it mandatory to vote a straight ticket.
Really? Why can't the US terrorist talk to other terrorists? Oh and the credit problem was set up YEARS ago under the Bush administration. It' just now coming to light. So just keep on believing any lie the media tells you and be a "good lil american"
Talk al-Zawahiri into surrendering to the United Nations, before he gets murdered by CIA.
Hillary Clinton is a f ucking terrorist..warmonger kunt!
My My Betty, such language. Does your mother know you talk like this?
The better questions is does she suck with that mouth? I like the dirty girls! HA HA HA HA!!
Liar, liar, pants not on fire.
"America does not negotiate with terrorists."
US shows her double standard politics everywhere in the world. If it was not that Pakistani puppet leaders getting billions believe me US would not ever go past Iraq war. US always cry that Pakistan public don't believe us, it is because If US remember 1965 war with India, where they were caught red handed spying for Indians and giving them all information about the Pakistani hideouts. Even though Indians were pro Russian and Pakistani were always with Americans. Still these double standard morons did this to US, with their tip Indian able to bomb the area of Kohat but couldn't make much difference, and it was a coward act as they bombed civilians there. But it didn't took us long and with just 2 F16 Pakistan counter attcked the Indians war planes and shut 6 of them and 4 ran back into Afghanistan. thsi is history today but still that was the root of all the causes, where people started to hate Americans and Afghanis. Look at these hypocrate Afghanis how they helped india and allow them in 1965 t use their millitary basis to fly from into Pakistan border. If today they are facing heat it is the most enjoyable moments i think. Because its an old say that As you sow, so shal you reap.
Oh, that comment was made to make fools of US public. They always succeed in doing that. Next time they have to kill someone, they will say he has weapon of mass destruction and that's all, who will check later. They have great propaganda machine and will work wonders.
Really! Who are you kidding? Every nation does so, directly or indirectly.
If every nation does so, than i think existence of US on other soil is a big crime and US should be declared as Terrorist Nation, who is creating such terrorism to create more people against them so they can run their arms machines.
So? Reagan sold missiles to Iran. (look up the Iran-Contra scandal official report, for those who've been born after the 80s) He also funded the Afghani mujahaden who later became the Taliban. And he funded and armed Saddam. And yet most Americans treat him like he's somekind of saint.
The American government negotiating with terrorists is nothing new.
Here's and idea.
Call a meeting of all the haqqani and drop a drone on them. ; )
Pray for your US troops mate, i think Americans memroy is too weak, they forgot what happend to them in Veitnam. US is commiting suicide this is the only thing you should know. No one before succeeded nor will any succeed to combat these Jihadis. The only reason US is not reaching to any solution because even here they are playing double game. YOu are trying to talk to Haqqani and same time you are blaming everything on them as well as bombing them. What you want them o do, stand up together and ask you welcome. These all Haqqani and Talibani groups are created because of US drone attacks, if your mom dad bros sis wife and kids are killed by bombing what you expect a man will do, ofcourse he will decide to join someone who can destroy you. Now US will not go from here alone they will take their soldiers deadbodies INSHALLAH. They tried to play a game with Osama death, the man who died long back but used for a situational exit of US. They played a nice game with the help of their Dogs in Paistani politics. But failed as they failed to prove that he is Osama. The world 2 low rated enemies, Saddam and Gadhafi was clearly caught and killed and was watched by millions. But it is unbelievable that the world most wanted man Osama was killed and not even shown to the public. What a Joke it seems to be, and look at fools public of Americans and Indian who believed that he died because of attack happend in pakistan. I can only laugh at the mantality of non-muslims that how easy is it to make them fool.
Since when does our country negotiate with terrorists? Oh yes, since Barack Hussein Obama become our president with the help of Generation X. Reagen is rolling in his grave.
arent you forgetting the CIA Trained and FUNDED Osama Bin Laden and His Al-qaeda Network under PRESIDENT REAGEN"S Watch? Reagan also supported Dictator Augusto Pinochet
Point is democrats AND republicans are both corrupt bought and sold by the rich 1% that hoard 99% of the wealth
Yeah, right.....two words 'Iran Contra'....
also, it's Reagan, not Reagen
Are you stupid or just young? Reagan had no problem negotiating with terrorists. Just do a little research.
Reagan was an evil manipulator who funded terrorists along with the war criminals Bush and Cheney. He's burning in hell, and all Republi-fascists will join him.
Wow. Tell the terrorist that they must do this and must renounce that...in exchange for what? What is it the US is offering them in order to change their ways? Money? Visas? A "path to citizenship"? They have no reason to change unless we give them something. What is it? Doesn't matter. They'll take what we offer and never stop doing what they're doing.
US has lost the so called war on terror and is bankrupt. They destroyed Iraq in the name of helping them (No WMD's found and they knew it before they started the war). They messed up Libya for oil and will charge 2 billion to them now as the cost of this war and we will soon see string of issues there as well, I am sure. They have messed up everything in Pakistan, it is at the verge of collapse and civil war. In Afghanistan, the overconfidence USA had in 2001 is kaput. They are begging the AQ to stop cause they can't afford to fight (yeah, most sophisticated army in the World can't fight people on donkeys). Why would they spare US when they have US by its horn. I recall Osama's strategy was to weaken US economy and destroy it. He succeded so why would AQ allow US to go now when they are winning.
AND US will always support and back Israel!
only thing they want right from the beginning is, for US to leave, that place will be much better with no US presence....
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The strategy is to fight then talk and then build something. I wonder what what these idiots are thinking. Lets drop bombs on these so called terrorists and then see if they want to talk about peace. And this after 10 years. BRAVO!! American foriegn policy never ceases to amaze me.
thats what they have been doing for the last 10 yrs, did it work??? Soviets got destroyed economically going into Afghanistan......and ended up into pieces....but US, a more arrogant country didn't learn anything....and started two wars instead of one....and now getting destroyed econmically.....just hope it also doesn't end up in pieces....
Do some remember when the Israelis were terrorist? Remember one man terrorist is another mans hero. Today enemy is tomorrows ally, and todays ally is tomorrows enemy.
Rule to follow. Never let your goverment turn you against another county, person or religion.
Remember the USA create enemies and start wars so the rich can make money.
And guess who dies in these wars?? Hint... NOT THE RICH
Obama is now negotiating with terrorists. What a bunch of foo;s we have in charge. This is part of his run away plan
And the only reason we're in there is because of the bloodsucker Cheney and his moronic puppet Dubya, I stopped caring about 9/11 on 9/12. If they'd done the same thing, we'd all be better off.
Pakistan has negotiated with the tribal for 50 years cause they knew how to handle them. Mighty US attacked them thinking they know it all. and are smarter than everyone. Now they are doing the same what Pakistan did but its toooooo late.
If they are a bunch of fools, why can't you go lead? or at least propose some kind of alternative IDIOT!
Pakistan is using terrorism to milk the U.S taxpayer via this government which has allowed Pakistan to influence its foreign policy on Afghanistan...Pakistan ISI/MI sponsor and control many terorrist group not just the Mafia like Haqaani Network, but also in South Punjab and elsewhere Punjabi groups. ISI has created political groups aside from terrorists groups to take to the street in protest, vote or facilitate terrorists when needed- Such as JUI and JI..there are many terrorist groups in Pakistan working under the umbrella of Taliban but are really a division of the Pakistani army..Groups such as Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO), Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP), Tehreek-e-Nafaze-Shariat-e-Mohammadi,Lashkar-eJhangvi (LeJ),Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP),Jamaat-ul-Fuqra,Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM),Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen),Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT),Jaish-e-Mohammad, Mujahideen E-Tanzeem (JeM),Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar),Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM),Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ),and I could go on and on....so technically there is no Taliban, it is Pakistan killing innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere, including our soldiers...Yet we support a UN seat for Pakistan and we import their goods and issue visas...Why no sanctions on Pakistan or even Paki army/ISI instead of weapons and dollars we give them.
I bet you're from India in making these comments. I think we should make policies in the best interest of this country not for India. India has already hurt our economy severely by taking all our economic boom away due to our ill policies. It is in the best interest of US to pull its troops back and spend those resources here.
so u don't see any truth to his statement? Just "He is from India, and I lost my job, therefore...." What a fool u are
really idiot, all you can take away from that is that is India this India that...climb out of your little trailer park and get with the program...we have been lied to again and again by the pakis...if we don't bomb the hell out of them, India should.
US just went to India for assistance in this war and India told them to do it yourself so US is back to Pakistan asking for help (forcefully). India knows that it will have serious implications if it gets involved. Pakistan is stupid and helped US in this war and now is completely screwed.
Hey Hindu bindoo, did you have your cup of urine today? If not can I offer you mine?
Pakistan should have been wiped off the face of the planet if not for Hussein Obama...harboring terrorists networks and #1 Osama himself.
@Joe: You are a moron!
BS!
wow...you copy pasted an article from somewhere and you think you know it all....Dude...I agree with you ISI created all these parties or gangs...which you are calling Taliban but it was only WITH THE WILL OF US, AS US WNATED THEM TO CREATE JIHADIS SO THAT THEY CAN FIGHT SOVIETS AND KICK THEM OUT,....US Wanted it to happen......when that war was over...what did US do for this 3.8 million militants and jihadis...NOTHING.....no infrastructure was built, for their employment, their kids education.....and now you blame pakistan and ISI for not trusting US...... wake up read the history from an authentic source...Talibans were created by US with the help of Pakis/ISI....when their game plan worked, they left them to die...no hospitals were build no treatment for wounded...and then who took care of them...Pkaistan by itself....without any aid....instead US put sanctions on Pakistan.......so since that war ISI and talibans spend 20 odd years together to help each other and things worked well....till now when US returned...now ISI has the dilemma...whom to trust....if they trust US and eliminate Haqqani...they are 100% sure... US will leave again without even saying thanks....and Pakistan alone will have to deal with the aftermath....if they support US.......well.....then they won't get US aid...and will be sanctioned....so the best policy is to play a double game...and tell both we are with you...and it seems to be working, isn't it? they are getting billions of dollars....and also making sure america never able to leave.... i think ISI is million times more intelligent and smart then any of US leaders/CIA heads.....
Where are those 50,000 lbs daisy cutter when you need a few. Or just come home.
Well, we are the biggest terrorists in this century it seems, and right up there in the torture top 10, thanks Bush WAR CRIMINAL.
Bush already had Alzheimer's, Cheney and Rumsfeld were in charge.
I'm familiar w alzhiemers. The press reported him sleeping during cabinet meetings. Alzheimers happens over a period of time and goes through stages.
OK, you got to say hello to all the grown-ups. Now time to go back to bed, little buddy.
Thank you
Have you ever been a soldier? Have you ever served your country in any other way than complaining about it? If not, perhaps you shouldn't throw around phrases like "war criminal" unless you really know what those words mean. I'm a card-carrying Democrat, and even I don't use the epithet of "war criminal" to describe George W. Bush. I don't like the guy, but hey– let's leave the ridiculous rhetoric at the door, shall we?
I have. I served in the US Army during the Gulf War. And I have no problem with calling both Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell war criminals. I'd take them personally to the Hague to see them tried.
Hahaha! Only one finder points to others, remaining point towards us!
what happen with the policy of never negotiating with terriosts
Hey Nelly, I second that motion. Whatever happened to the policy of not negotiating with terrorists? What if they try to demand the U.S. accept Islamic rule as a condition for stopping the violence? Such negotiations could open the U.S. up to extortion and blackmail. I think the U.S. policy towards terrorists should be give up and accept the laws set down. Otherwise, expect to face extinction.
There is a very fine line between what we are doing (peace talks) and negotiating with terrorists. We have not crossed it... yet. We are not going in and saying if you stop attempting to bomb us we will give you $20 billion. Secretary Clinton is saying more along the lines of, this has gone for long enough, we want to re-evaluate why we are still fighting. do we still do the same things they stated terrorizing US for. If so, lets talk about it instead of the conservative, "you wronged us, we can never trust you again," mentality.
are you an idiot? that would never be a possibility, And maybe we are negotiating with these people to try to save lives of innocent civilians and US soldiers or is that too much for you to understand? Good came come of this and its people like you that are stopping humanity from progressing as a whole.
You should know by now that what we say isn't necessarily what we/ll do.
when will US realize that they have lost the war???? a eprson living in caves has nothing to loose...it was US's war to loose anyways.....US will go bankrupt sooner or later anyways......your medicare, medicaid, unemployment benefits, social secrity...all the money is now wasted in two stupid wars...........dude.........listen to me carefully.......your 10% population who is unemployedm when they loose their benfits, or your elderly loose their social security/medicare benfits....they will come on streets and if you are dying of hunger...you don't mind stealing or killing, just imagine when all these people come on the streets and create a havoc, what will happen to your peace, freedom, economy? it will be downward spiral from there.....thats what happened to Russia after Afhgan war...and it ended into pieces.....and (I hope Not) same thing is gonna happen here soon.....open your eyes educate your friends...US has seen its peak...now its on decline....just make sure its not a free fall....hurting everyone, and make it a cautious landing....to their senses...
The trust deficit in U. S.-Pakistan relations has been increasing for quite some time , particularly in the after math of killing of bin Laden in Abbotabad after a surprise U. S. special forces attack . There have been lately statements , almost with a united voice from Pakistan concerning disappointments with the U. S. strategy in the region and the U. S. contact with the Haqqqani faction of the Taliban . This was in retaliation over numerous U. S. military and political leaders' public criticism and allegations on Pakistan , of double game , and relations with Haqqani faction of Taliban 's attacks in Afghanistan . Sec Clinton admitted in news conference yesterday in Islamabad , of the U. S. having contacts with the Haqqani faction of Taliban , with the help of Pakistan's intelligence agency , almost a year ago . Pakistan also turns the table on U. S. with accusations about sheltering Swat valley militants in Afghanistan 's border areas with Pakistan . There is a deep sense of anger in Pakistan . Recently , the civil society, military and political leadership (APC) , was assembled to respond to the U. S. accusations . The group agreed to focus on starting new negotiations for peace with the Taliban leaders in the FATA region , and particularly the Haqqani 's tribe in North Waziristan . Pakistan 's weak political coalition government would not be able to deliver , on the APC 's resolution for peace negations with the Taliban , any time soon . This would also be contrary to the Af – Pak strategy . That would adversely impact the U. S . working with and support , for Pakistan in military operations , negotiations with Taliban , and exit strategy of the U. S. forces by 2014 . Also contrary of U. S. policy would be , President Karzai 's recent suggestion , to talk to Pakistan and not Taliban . Mr. Karzai instead of talking to Pakistan decided to go to Delhi , and sign a strategic partnership agreement with India . This would not be of help in Pakistan 's role , demanded by the U. S. for peace in Afghanistan . The popular street protests in Pakistan against pathetic economic problems , high prices of food and fuel , floods , energy crises and deplorable security , faced by the people of Pakistan , are sure to build up soon in a political turmoil , for popular elections , sooner than later in Pakistan . The road to peace in Afghanistan is hard , and all roads for the end game of the war on terrorism in Afghanistan , passes through Pakistan , an erstwhile strategic partner of the U. S. The Obama administration needs to be more focused on Pakistan 's economic and political stability and interests in the region at this time .
You started with an interesting idea, but tended to repeat yourself a bit and "bunny trail" as well, though you did bring it around towards the end. Next time, be a bit briefer in your opening, more coherent in your rationalization, and arrive at the conclusion with a firmer statement of mission. Overall, a good effort, Mr. dmf0786, but I know you can do better. C+
As one who agrees with almost nothing this administration has done, I say what's the harm? Why not try something in a manner we've not tried yet. What's the worst that can happen, it works? The risk is that they make promises they have no intention of keeping. They've certainly done this before. So, what's the big deal? As long as we don't let our guard down...
How cool is it to say the word Haqqani?!
I keep wanting to say Hekawi, as in F-Troop
Hekawi or Fugawi?
Is the US contradicting "We don't negotiate with Terrorists" statement?
Hillary gave them an either or..................either come to the peace table, or you get to meet the next 25,000 drones up front and personal.
No, we are contrdicting the, "Being Right Ignores Reality" policy.
We cannot afford this expensive war and our allies have already started pulling out of Afghanistan. There will come a day when , just like Iraq, we will lose political will to stay there. So Hillary is trying to start a political dialogue to see if some moderate elements within Taliban can be given incentive to be part of future Afghan setup. If we leave Afghanistan without this, Taliban might occupy the country again. Read some articles about Afghan national army and you will get a very good idea how reliable it is.
Correct, the Taliban in Afghanistan know that our political will to stay in Afghanistan is short. Therefore, they'll wait us out, they know we'll leave sooner rather than later no matter who our President is, which party he's from & which party controls congress.
I don't see this as a negotiation. We are not going to allow any concessions, believe me. It is more of an ultimatum: either you stop the violence or we will continue to kill your leaders.
Why is this woman still at a head position in government? Why have we been led by Clintons and Bushes since '89 ?
Enough with the terrorism garbage. Nobody cares about the bogeymen anymore. Take the money you've already scammed people out of over this fear-mongering crap and go away.
MORON ALERT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Moron alert is right. Here's a bone head who doesn't realize that the bogey-man has been and continues to be hunted down and they're on the run. They're too busy hiding and ducking and left with less time to plan and execute attacks. Let off the offensive pressure and guess what? Loser Bill takes a dirty bomb right up his skirt. Easy to talk about Bogey-men when soldiers overseas are popping them off left and right so Bill can sit on his fat tush and suck down Cokes and Twinkies in the safety of his mother's basement.
Sigh... idiots.. I'm sure you guys think Libya was just liberated, too. You're taught a 3rd grade version of the world, and you're damn proud to stick by it, congrats. Enjoy your ride in Media-Land.
So you don't think Libya was liberated? You think their celebrations over the death of Gadhafi were staged for the US media? Who is the idiot again?
Uh, yeah – it's called "Arab Spring." Or haven't you been paying attention?
That was her husband. She only shares the last name with him. She had no active roll in his administration. Thanks for your wise comments.
your a moron. And if we were keeping sore. Clintons are ahead... by a lot.
So? Reagan personally approved sales of missile technology to Iran. (look up Iran-Contra for those who have their heads burried in sand)
First off, Lush Bimbo is NOT a liberal, he's an a$$ho7e.
Secondly, Reagan is long dead so why not move forward rather than backward?
Because those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it. Sound familiar? No? Thought so.