Iran and Saudi Arabia's 'hate-hate' relationship
October 11th, 2011
08:00 PM ET

Iran and Saudi Arabia's 'hate-hate' relationship

By Michael Rubin

Editor's note: Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a senior lecturer at the Naval Postgraduate School.

Iranian outbursts towards the United States and Israel are nothing new, but the Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington surprised many people. Iran's animosity toward Saudi Arabia, however, should have surprised no one.

Perhaps the only thing longer than Iran's animosity toward the United States is its hatred of Saudi Arabia. The two are divided not only by the Persian Gulf, but also by a Shiite-Sunni sectarian split and a Persian-Arab divide that goes back centuries.

Before Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran and Saudi Arabia had a love-hate relationship. On one hand, religious and ethnic differences plagued the two regional powers. On the other hand, both were traditional monarchies who found themselves on the same side of the Cold War, opposing communism and the radicals who threatened the status quo.

The fall of Iran's shah and his replacement by a radical Shiite regime, however, transformed the love-hate relationship into a hate-hate relationship.

Throughout the 1980s, the predecessor to Iran's elite Quds Force, the special operations unit that U.S. intelligence has fingered in the Washington plot, sought to undermine Saudi stability, often coordinating attacks and insurrection during the hajj, the holy Muslim pilgrimage which Saudi Arabia hosts.

During the same decade, Iran fought an eight-year battle with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a war that killed close to a million people. What no Iranian forgets is that Saudi Arabia largely financed Iraq during the war.

The rivalry has continued into the Arab Spring. Bahrain is an Arab state, but the majority of its population is Shiite, not Sunni. When protests erupted in that tiny island nation, it was not the Americans who have a naval base on the island that confronted the Shiite protestors, but rather Saudi troops who drove into Bahrain across a bridge linking the two countries.

The plot that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced Tuesday would not be the first time Tehran has tried to kill two birds with one stone by targeting both Saudis and Americans. In 1996, Iranian-trained Saudi terrorists detonated a huge truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 U.S. Air Force personnel.

After an extensive investigation, the FBI confirmed Iranian culpability in that attack, but the Clinton administration, because of its own desire to engage diplomatically with Tehran upon the election of reformist President Mohammad Khatami, ordered the FBI's findings withdrawn so as to prevent impediments to dialogue.

Alas, Clinton's initiative for diplomacy - like that of President Obama - went nowhere, not because of lack of desire in the White House, but rather because of a regime in Tehran whose ideology prevents it from unclenching a fist soaked in blood.

The Persian Gulf is always hot, but today's revelations promise to make it a much hotter place indeed.


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  1. Saman

    Through out history arabs have always been a racist and extremely bigoted people, even to themselves, hence why there is no such thing as one single arab state but 20 or so of them, whether most being arabized andfull of converts is another issue. Anyways, Iranians want a nationalist government rather than a sharia islamist one and they want to stay isolated when it comes to the region. They want to do business with everyone. For us to leave them alone and them leave us alone kind of thing.

    December 2, 2013 at 12:37 am | Reply
  2. Saman

    Bahrain is actually not a majority arab country.. Around 20-30% are ethnically Persian, while the rest are indians, paki workers and arabs. Same goes for kuwait, uae and qatar... All these countries have more ethnic Persians than arabs.

    December 2, 2013 at 12:34 am | Reply
  3. Realist

    Saudi is a BIGGER threat to humanity than Iran could ever be. And they are the BIGGEST abusers of the Austronesian race! As long as NATO coddles these guys, they will never have credibility when talking about "Democracy" or "Human Rights"! Overthrow the Saudi regime first and kill the Wahhabidiots first before we may start seriously considering all your preachings on "Democracy" and "Human Rights"....

    February 3, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Reply
  4. M. A.

    Iran is going downhill pretty fast because they're not getting along well with the international community, unlike Saudi Arabia which have a surprisingly powerfull and often behind the scenes ties. I see a grim future for Iran under this so called "religious regime". I kinda blame Iran's leadership for the current status of the country. They are waaay to nosy and often miss with the wrong people, i. e. Saudi & the US. Historically speaking, the Persians have always concidered themselves as a superpower and a guardian on the lower middle east region, and that was the case for centuries... But now the tides have changed and they have to stop this obsession with being the primary super power in the region...

    September 26, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
  5. hi

    Every single muslim terrorost in the world is an arab, iranian individuals never do such a thing,...........

    August 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Reply
  6. ilikepie

    the reason the us isnt breaking friendship with saudi arabia is because of oil. saudi arabia is doing likewise bcause the us has $$$$$. the us (aka usa) is REALLY nosy. we have this idea in our heads that we should poke our noses in everyone else's business. we all make mistakes but engaging in other's wars is one of ours.

    November 8, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Reply
  7. pasha

    im iranina but i hate iran regium and i hate bringing religion in the politic and i hate terror, but the mid east belongs to us historically and any things will happen there should be under our control, so we love u american and we respect u but please leave mid east and persian gulf ASAP .

    October 13, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Reply
  8. netanyahu

    Iranian outbursts towards the United States and Israel are nothing new, but the Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington surprised many people. Iran's animosity toward Saudi Arabia, however, should have surprised no one.EVERYONE KNOW THAT US WILL LOOSE ITS LONGEST ALLY SAUDIA AS SAUDIA IS LOOKING CHINA NOW.WHAT TO DO PLOT A NEW PLAN

    Perhaps the only thing longer than Iran's animosity toward the United States is its hatred of Saudi Arabia. The two are divided not only by the Persian Gulf, but also by a Shiite-Sunni sectarian split and a Persian-Arab divide that goes back centuries.BOTH ARE MUSLIMS WE AMERICANS WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SECTARIAN DISTANCE.

    Before Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran and Saudi Arabia had a love-hate relationship. On one hand, religious and ethnic differences plagued the two regional powers. On the other hand, both were traditional monarchies who found themselves on the same side of the Cold War, opposing communism and the radicals who threatened the status quo.1979 WAS A WONDERFUL BEGINNING FOR FREEDOM OF IRANIANS.

    The fall of Iran's shah and his replacement by a radical Shiite regime, however, transformed the love-hate relationship into a hate-hate relationship.

    Throughout the 1980s, the predecessor to Iran's elite Quds Force, the special operations unit that U.S. intelligence has fingered in the Washington plot, sought to undermine Saudi stability, often coordinating attacks and insurrection during the hajj, the holy Muslim pilgrimage which Saudi Arabia hosts.AMERICANS PLOTTED THAT PLAN.

    During the same decade, Iran fought an eight-year battle with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a war that killed close to a million people. What no Iranian forgets is that Saudi Arabia largely financed Iraq during the wa.r IT WAS AMERICANS WHO FINANCE IRAQ

    The rivalry has continued into the Arab Spring. Bahrain is an Arab state, but the majority of its population is Shiite, not Sunni. When protests erupted in that tiny island nation, it was not the Americans who have a naval base on the island that confronted the Shiite protestors, but rather Saudi troops who drove into Bahrain across a bridge linking the two countries.

    The plot that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced Tuesday would not be the first time Tehran has tried to kill two birds with one stone by targeting both Saudis and Americans. In 1996, Iranian-trained Saudi terrorists detonated a huge truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 U.S. Air Force personnel.

    After an extensive investigation, the FBI confirmed Iranian culpability in that attack, but the Clinton administration, because of its own desire to engage diplomatically with Tehran upon the election of reformist President Mohammad Khatami, ordered the FBI's findings withdrawn so as to prevent impediments to dialogue.

    AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE AWEKENING FROM DEEP SLEEP BY BY CAPITALIST ELITE

    The Persian Gulf is always hot, but today's revelations promise to make it a much hotter place indeed. SUCH ARTICULAR YOU WILL FIND IN WESTERN MEDIA THEY DON'T WANT IRAN AND SAUDI TO BE FRIEND OR GET UNITED AGAINST ISRAEL.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • edge229

      Good lord. The spelling and rambling is almost as bad as the stupidity.

      October 13, 2011 at 3:38 am | Reply
      • Greg

        At least he has an opinion sheep head

        October 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
      • ilikepie

        i agree. there are about 100 stereotypes underneath in the comments and some foul language. beware readers.

        November 8, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
  9. SoldierOfFortunes

    Iran is not a country of nuclear war...they know profits are higher in energy...for a country who spouts Christianity and turn the cheek...well I can imagine Iran is faceless after turning away from the abuses of the world...and upset and abou to lose it's temper with other countries who harrass them endlessly...check the other threads..one blogger wrote a report that depicts Iran's history in dealing with foreigners and how they just trot on up and take the Iran oil...so check that out and do some research...you will find Iran has not done jack and accused of all these crimes...REALLY???

    October 12, 2011 at 1:30 pm | Reply
  10. faisal rehman

    PLEASE AMERICANS MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS WITH YOUR PEA BRAINS STOP DICTATING THE WORLD. YOU ARE ALL RULED AND GOVERNED BY JEWS WHO HAVE THERE PERSONAL GOALS TO ACHIEVE. NOTHING THERE FOR AVERAGE AMERICANS THEY ARE JUST FOOLING YOU GUYS

    October 12, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Reply
    • Smith

      Everyone on this page has placed their own valid reasons why or why not Iranian's or Arabs should be or should not be liked...do you think that any one of these people care about any of your thoughts or feelings or history that has occured in the past...the mear fact that people are dying, Iranians Iraqi's, Arabs or Israeli's should click or switch something on in your head... maybe for each of you or each of us that can actually use or have a computer to send an email should see how privilaged enough we are to say how we feel but what about those who have no ways of telling us how difficult life really is, we dont know! Each of you that are attacking one another on the net is in some small way reacting or being in some why the same as our goverments are controlling and distroying lives on a greater scale putting children, families in danger...for what, for opinions and misunderstandings with things that are of no value just material and power...so stop insulting, mistreating and bulling each other on the web...its just as bad as having a war. It all starts with YOU!

      October 12, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Reply
    • ilikepie

      pea brains? maybe you have those, since you are stereotyping ALL americans as being dull. How smart are some other countries?

      November 8, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Reply
    • ilikepie

      and btw we were made by christians and jews. thought u should know

      November 8, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  11. John

    This guy is Gaddafi version 2. Just blow him up and move on. It will end up that way anyhow. Just prevent him from doing something stupid before it's too late. I don't mean to sound all scary because this guy and his goofy comrades are nothing more then bullies. I say thumbs down, death to the Iranian clerics, politicians and their policies.

    October 12, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
  12. American.

    War propaganda.

    October 12, 2011 at 11:28 am | Reply
  13. Ali

    will the world ever take the iranian threat seriously?
    Iran has been a destabilizing factor not just for the region it exists but the entire world. Iran needs an operation like the one in Iraq to remove this terrorist criminal minded regime

    October 12, 2011 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • Manuela

      Like in Iraq??yes, or Afghanistan..war works so good there...Remember WHY U.S attacked Iraq: lies!..today it's the same, for me. I don't believe them, now...however, too much interests in that area (OIL!)..only need a pretest to start war..another one...economic crisis finished always in War..so preparing for WW3, and pray...

      October 12, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Reply
  14. Hashim

    For more insight on Middle East developments read the groundbreaking novel – king of Bat'ha

    October 12, 2011 at 9:27 am | Reply
  15. Wasif

    What a load of Cr*p?

    US/ISRAEL's best rehersed plans to NEUTRALISE the muslims...get them to fight each and Make ISRAEL look like the beacon of Stability..,,,thus to protect the Racist/Aparthaid Murderous system!

    October 12, 2011 at 8:27 am | Reply
    • Saudi Eagle

      Talking about racist regiems, YOUR country is the biggest racist in the area. You don't only segregate Sunnis, but also Arabs (even shitts), Kurds, Blushes....... etc. Go to youtube and see video of random picking and killing of Arabs in the Ahvaz area. Not only this, the revolutionary guards killed hundreds of IRANIANS because they were protesting a year ago on the elections.

      Don't lecture us and accuse arab regiems that they are racist, because you are the most racist people in the area

      October 12, 2011 at 8:39 am | Reply
      • Wasif

        Dear Saudi Eagle

        Please note that I am a UK Citizen and I have not heard of the things that you are talking about.

        I am not an Iranian or a Shia by background either. I am a British Muslim.

        I thought I should clarify this point!

        October 13, 2011 at 2:07 am |
  16. Sulaiman, From Saudi Arabia, + UK

    Firs of all, to clarify the picure fro the writer the name for the Gulf is Arabic Gulf not as he wrote here.

    hopefully to see Iran destroyed and burned As Soon As possible.
    I'm a muslim (Sunni) i have many friends Christians and Jews but With Shiite or Iranian people no, i prefere to be with evil than to be whith shiite or iranian.
    Saudi arabian people love anyone in the world, but Iran taught us how can we hate them. several bombings they did in our country, everyone knows that Iranian did it.

    best regards for all

    October 12, 2011 at 8:24 am | Reply
    • Angela Swiss

      Dear Sulaima...

      Having worked in Middle East for many years, I can tell you for sure that the Saudis do not love everyone...only the rich westerners or people alike....

      Plz see how all other ethnicities are treated in the KSA.

      I have had little contact with the Iranians and they do appear to be proud and stubborn people...but based on history and principles (which I must say I do not agree with).

      October 12, 2011 at 8:34 am | Reply
      • faisal rehman

        YOU ARE RIGHT ANGELA.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • PersianX

      Its Persian Gulf not Arab gulf, but arabs can live in their fantasy world if they prefer it.... no one cares...

      secondly 9/11 were all arabs (mostly saudis from your country) , all islamic terrorists in the west were Arabs now the US gov created this fake story of the "Persian terrorist" who hired a Mexican Cartel Assassins who was a DEA agent (suprise suprise) to kill a unimportant saudi diplomat.....laughable

      funny how now Saudi Lizard eaters try to show themself as "good guys", nobody belives your shit....

      October 12, 2011 at 8:43 am | Reply
      • Moe

        Oh, so you are talking about 9/11 hah? 9/11 wasn't planned by a government, it was planned by a terrorist group.

        The Iranian government planned and executed (revolution guards) many bombings and attacks inside Saudi Arabia. I'll give you some example: first, AlKhobar towers which killed 19 AMERICANS. 3 bobings in Makkah in the holy pilgrimage season. 3 failed plots in Makkah and Madinah too.
        And now, THIS.

        Iranian government is the biggest terrorist group in the world these days. Everybody hates you.

        October 12, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • Cohen Sabra

      You know Sulaiman, Jews don't need you as a friend. You're racist, and the last thing we want is that. Besides, you're country is the birthplace of most terrorists in the world.. so until you got that figured out, let us know.

      It's in your religion.. not the ethnicity or the race.

      P.S.: Please don't kill me because your koran tells you to kill us 'infidels'.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:19 am | Reply
      • Mekaiel

        Hey Cohen,

        I just wanted to clarify a thing the Quran never stated that Jews or Christians are among infidels...an infidel is a person that does not believe in god or his books angels etc etc... No offense atheists but I guess you’re in the infidel team.
        True the Quran stated that to kill Jews but who are not believers but not Jews in general
        I won’t take sides here but what I know for a fact is that Muslims + Jews + Christian + any who believe in god are in one group which is under the name of believers as mentioned in the Quran
        And also every Muslim knows that not every Muslim is a believer but every believer can be a Muslim

        Regards

        October 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
      • Bader

        Cohen, your knowledge about Islam is poor, very poor. Koran was written in a time of war between Muslims who wanted to spread Islam and Christians who wanted to spread Christianity. The killing of infidels as you said in the Koran was NOT mentioned for those who were peaceful (whether Christians or Jews or any other religion) however Koran directions were that Muslims had to fight back and "kill" those who wanted to KILL them. If Koran really suggests that we must kill everyone, then you would've been dead by now... I guess. And by the way, in the Koran, Jews are Christians were never mentioned as 'infidels' but rather 'people of the book' as reference to the bible and the torah.
        Get your facts and information straight before writing and arguing with people, otherwise you'd look like a misguided fool just like Bush or probably just like Ahmedinejad.
        Now that's about Koran. About your argument that Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of terrorists, what about the Jews who blew up King David hotel in Palestine 5 decades ago that killed 91 people??? huh
        What about Timothy McVeigh who bombed OKC and killed more than 200 ppl, and Anders Behring Breivik who killed innocent people in Norway. Can you say that because they're Christians that we can pass the stupid judgment of yours and assume Christianity to be a religion of terrorism. No. Of course not. Because terrorism has no religion. Remember that very well, just as much as you remember the holocaust that killed over 6 million Jews and was perpetrated by Nazis who were actually ....Christians.
        If you say Saudis are racists, i may agree with you here but i would disagree with the generalization. Some of them are indeed racists, but you'd find a racist Saudi just as much as you'd find antisemitics in the U.S. or Europe.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
      • ilikepie

        hear, hear. Christians too.

        November 8, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
      • ilikepie

        i mean to c.s. not others

        November 8, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
      • ilikepie

        in the terrorism has no religion, i partially agree with bader, but islam texts have more violence and superiority-feelings than others.

        November 8, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • faisal rehman

      Saudia is suppose to unite muslim world not devide my friend. why you guys are responding so aggressively against iran on the news publised by biased american media. They are trying to devide muslim world for there own advantage. I JUST PRAY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

      October 12, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • Wasif

      I think Cool heads should prevail and both sides need to look at their troubled foreign policy and domestic issues also:

      Iran is under a lot of pressure from abroad but also has some issues at home. They are sponsoring shia based politics in the region which people argue also support violence....

      Equally...Saudis are doing the same in countries like Lebanon, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq etc with their Sunni based Agenda at the cost of Shias....

      THIS is exactly what Uncle Sam wanted when they attached IRAQ...despite Iraqis having ZERO to do with 9/11....

      Let the muslims fight each other...which has started and will probobally continue...BUT at the end of ALL both sides will realise how much they have LOST...and will RECONCILE....

      Why wait for that time...RECONCILE NOW....Please learn from World History...TWO WORLD WARS are perhaps the best example and recently US has sat down with all of the IRAQIs to RECONCILE....Similarly they are trying to do so in AFGHANISTAN!!!

      Come On Guys...Lets Grow up! Allah Has given us everything except the ability to use our MIND for positive things!

      October 13, 2011 at 2:15 am | Reply
  17. Tony

    More US war propaganda...lies lies lies!
    They tried to link Iran to 9/11 2 months ago...wake up sheep!!

    October 12, 2011 at 8:08 am | Reply
  18. American Patriot

    F@#$ you Iran. Horrible and hairy people that deserve to be punished for this. Do whatever you want anywhere else, but not in the US you bitches.

    October 12, 2011 at 8:07 am | Reply
    • Tony

      Are you serious mate? Wake up, this is a lie!!
      Wasn't the US doing deals with the mexicans drugs for guns?
      This is blatant war propaganda lies from NWO.

      October 12, 2011 at 8:09 am | Reply
      • American Patriot

        Maybe the fact that this plot is linked to the drugs cartels in Mexico was a lie, but believe me, the "plot" part is true. I've been doing business with Iranians for over 20 years. This is their way of thinking, if he doesn't like, he tries to eliminate you. Now in this situation, they lost Bahrain to Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states a couple of months ago. Their ONLY allies in the region are Syria and Hizbollah. Saudi Arabia is working hard with the US and Europe to help change the Syrian regime, SO IRAN WANTED TO GIVE A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE SAUDI KING THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT. Thank god, our government stopped those bitches before they destroy our nation. LONG LIVE USA :)))) I'm very proud of our intellegence system

        October 12, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • Wasif

      The least you can do to represent your people and country is to use civil language and demonstrate your views through a meaningfull way!

      October 12, 2011 at 8:30 am | Reply
  19. hilal

    Iran is a terrorist and criminal security threats in the world Alasagrar

    October 12, 2011 at 8:01 am | Reply
  20. JoeProfet

    The continued provocations of Iran are much like those of North Korea. Iran is not in the limelight, they are not getting much attention. You haven't heard much of anything about their nuclear aspirations lately and that is because they aren't touting it, but they are working toward the nuclear arms capability. They touted about sending some of their naval vessels to American waters. The likelihood of that is very slim. It is all about wanting attention is all. They are the step-child of the Arab world and so they believe that negetive attention begets attention never the less! All the world is their stage and they want to dance with the stars...and stripes! There is no such thing as peace in the middle-east!

    October 12, 2011 at 8:00 am | Reply
    • sinbad

      Have you ever asked yourself why Iran wants nukes so bad JoeProfet, because they are scared that the US will invade them. Remember it was the US that organized for the democratic government in Iran to be thrown out and a US appointed King installed, which is what caused the revolution by the mullahs.
      By invading Iran the US can then invade the nations of Central Asia and get all the lovely oil and minerals there for nothing and pay off the US debt.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:50 am | Reply
  21. Wijaya

    Okay Arabs, give your oil and money, we will go invade this Iran...

    October 12, 2011 at 5:57 am | Reply
  22. aziz

    Come on
    It is The Arabian Gulf

    October 12, 2011 at 5:54 am | Reply
  23. Jumbat

    Not a well-written artcle this!

    October 12, 2011 at 5:36 am | Reply
  24. Roland

    The Saudi dictatorship feels threatened by the Iranian revolution because it has a oppressed Shi'ite population who happen to live where most of the oil is located.The Iraq/Iran war was also largely because of the oppression of Shi'ite populations by Saddam Hussein. At the time a friend of the West who we supplied with WMD.Iran has been a threat ever since it kicked out the harsh and brutal Shah a Western puppet. and the Western oil companies.It's annoying if you kick out a Western backed dictator but don't touch the oil because then we get really mad.America is involved in all of this because of it's imperial designs in the region going back to WW1 and especially after WW2 when it took over from the British. for control of the oil resources of the region, keeping it's hand on the spigot and where the oil flows is considered of enormous strategic importance.For example no rival industrial power could emerge without having access to the oil resources of the Middle East.It;s important to also mention that it's not the populations of the Middle East that fear and loath Iran.In fact most of them want Iran to have nuclear weapons as a counterweight to US/Israeli power in the region who are considered more of a threat.

    October 12, 2011 at 5:02 am | Reply
    • Roland

      It's also interesting to note that the US/Israeli alliance really took off after the 6 day war where Israel destroyed the pan-Arab nationalist forces of Nassers Egypt who were involved in a proxy war with the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. Pan Arab nationalism was perceived as a serious threat to the control of the oil resources of the Middle East and so Israel became part of the unholy alliance of Israel-Saudi Arabia-Iran with the Shah.And is a major part of it to this day it's why the US is so incredible biased towards Israel but unlike conspiracy theories it's not the Israeli's that control the US but the US that controls Israel without US political,financial,military support the Israeli's would not be able to continue the occupation and settlement of the Palestinian territories.

      October 12, 2011 at 5:52 am | Reply
      • Mike

        Ronald, don't forget that there are a huge number of Irani Sunnis who are oppressed more than the Saudi Shitts. I have some friends from Saudi Arabia and they are Shittes, they say to me that they live a really good life back there. According to them, in the past they didn't have any rights at all, but a lot of things changed during this decade. Those are my friends from college here in Colorado. I know 6 of them, and they are all here with a scholarship from their goverment and being paid ~$2000/month. If they were oppressed, they would live in poverty and famin just like Sunnis in Iran!

        October 12, 2011 at 6:19 am |
      • Roland

        The support for the Saudi dictatorship is also what brought on 9/11 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi's. Al Qaida considers the Saudi dictatorship not Islamic enough and since the Saudi's depend on the USA to keep them in power they also objected to US forces being stationed on Saudi soil since the land is considered holy due to Mecca and Medina.The Saudi dictatorship is basically a collection of thieves.It's the spider around which all US foreign policy towards the region is based.The best thing to happen would be a revolt as we saw in Egypt and other Arab countries which would overthrow the dictatorship. It would seriously undermine US foreign policy in the region and perhaps end decades of imperialist aggression on behalf of the USA.

        October 12, 2011 at 6:34 am |
      • Mike

        Well, According to my Saudi friends, it doesn't seem like they want change. One guy here graduated from college and was hired in Saudi in two weeks. He makes roughly $3000 a month in a country that doesn't take taxes from its people. I thought my friend was bluffing, then I asked around and turned out that they live a happy life (maybe they are more religious than others). THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE DICTATORSHIP TO ME!!!

        Also, I was always wondering about this Arab Spring thing, and talked to some Saudis about it, they denied that they wan't change, and when I asked some Persian guys if they want a change in their country they said YES!!

        Mike
        Colorado, Denver

        October 12, 2011 at 6:53 am |
      • laowei

        Mike – what does your friends salaries have to with whether the government is a dictatorship? Lots of middle class & rich people live in dictatorships. Most Saudis are OK with living in a dictatorship, but its still a dictatorship. Most Chinese people love Mao and love the current government, but that doesn't mean its a democracy.

        October 12, 2011 at 9:20 am |
  25. Mac

    As I see it with a US invasion, the Persian Gulf in flames, China and Russia will fight nuclear over oil deposits, Eastern and Western Europe will freeze in the dark, the US will have chaos on its streets and it will be World War. No one will survive in the world . How many people want Armageddon???.

    October 12, 2011 at 4:56 am | Reply
  26. kharismi

    Why does America waste time and effort in pretenses to attack Israel's enemies? Wouldn't it be much more economic to just start bombing Iran? After all, truth eventually emerges and all the coverup expenses are just wasted money.

    Did they find Saddam's "WMD stockpiles" yet? Yes, those that were "a threat TO THE WHOLE WORLD"? 100,000 Iraqi civilians were killed and many more lost their property and livelihood, since Bush and Cheney used lies to start an illegal war. Why not just say "I want to kill Saddam because he is an enemy of Israel"?

    October 12, 2011 at 4:55 am | Reply
  27. avg joe

    Let's see, 15 out of 19 of the 911 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, do you need need more? This story is farce. And Sadam was supposed to have WMD.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:58 am | Reply
    • kk

      Saudi arabia is the deathstar of evil!

      October 12, 2011 at 3:00 am | Reply
    • Quezz

      I don't see how the hijackers being Saudi makes the Iran story "farce." There is no reciprocity of truth here. Both stories are true.

      October 12, 2011 at 4:50 am | Reply
  28. Moe

    Iranians are the masters of diplomacy and plots. In the past 3 decades, I ran has been INVOLVED in 3 wars and dozens of terrorist attacks. After the US got into Iraq, Iran started sending personnel from Failaq Bader and from the revolutionary guards in small groups to Iraq in order to destabilize the country. Same situation is in Afghanistan! In Saudi Arabia, we've known their danger for a long time. The only issue here is the fact that their actions are supported by their government, not like other terrorist groups which are working independently. I know that this solution might not impress Americans, but I believe that the only way to stop their threats to the world is to change the regiem in that Shitty country.
    P.S. IRAN IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HATES ALL OTHER RELIGIONS AND REACES. THEY HAVE A LOT OF HATE TO CHRISTIANS (US & UROPE), jUDASIM (ISRAEL), AND EVEN "ARAB MUSLIMS" (ALL ARAB COUNTRIES). So basically, the whole wide world!!!

    October 12, 2011 at 2:36 am | Reply
    • Billy

      Moe as in Mohammed I presume? Getting upset because noone want's to defend ur shitty country or any other camel jockey country u happen to be from? Hey..at least the Iranians were loyal back in the day when they were our allies...but arabs are savages that bite the hand that feed them. This from someone who has actually worked in the gulf states.

      October 12, 2011 at 2:45 am | Reply
      • Moe

        You know what's funny? It is the fact that the money you fucker are paying for taxes, is paid to defend us and keep us secured because we have OIL (like gulf war I & II). Keep dreaming u shitty SOB. Arabs have always been loyal to their friends, do u know any Arabian leader ever said that US and Israel should disappear? none, and u know why? because we respect our partners. Iranians don't, there has always been attacks on western embassys in Tehran. Here in Saudi Arabia, you can't get into the diplomatic district (where the embassys are) unless you r authorized or got your car checked from the pumper to pumper.

        October 12, 2011 at 4:28 am |
    • hate monger

      Hahahaha you are a hate monger, this is pure fabrication to distractions people from the truth, there's protest in over 1000 places in the US right now, peacefully citizens and war veterans are being brutally abused and arrested by the hundreds. Wake up !

      October 12, 2011 at 2:53 am | Reply
    • Mac

      You got all your info from the neo-con media shylocks in the US.

      Just take a look at countries where the US installed dictators and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions of people in Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.

      October 12, 2011 at 4:23 am | Reply
    • Darius

      I'm an Iranian, we don't hate Europe, Israel or the US, we just hate Arabs... just wanted to clear that up for you. Thats why we beat Bahrain 6-0 yesterday... Ha ha, s*ck on that!

      October 12, 2011 at 8:27 am | Reply
      • Moe

        Unfortunately, this how Iranians think, thanks for clearing that up to everybody here. No doubt that Iran planned this terrorist attacks because this is how you feel towards us :( we hope that you come to your senses.

        October 12, 2011 at 8:45 am |
      • Darius

        You've been terrorizing our nation for 16 centuries with your violent, dirty religion (Islam)... its payback time now buddy... enjoy!

        October 12, 2011 at 8:56 am |
  29. Kazan

    HatexHate = – x – = +

    October 12, 2011 at 2:15 am | Reply
  30. Jannai

    The story is not only fabrecated, but also laughable. The FBI and DIA, used to be respected agency, and did not actively involved in politics, however this changed in Obama administration. And this story of beaking Iranian plot to kill Saudi ambassador is for American public consumption after the failed Operation FAST AND FURIOUS which involved supplying thousand of automatic weapons to Mexican drug gangs which used to kill several American boarder agents.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:08 am | Reply
    • 1benza

      Sure sure, hope you got that tin foil and Faraday cage. Ya do know that the system is being gamed right? Don't matter who the leader is they all have a stake in making sure everything stays the same.

      October 12, 2011 at 2:59 am | Reply
  31. karlsPimp

    Key here is if we manage to fuel the internal turmoil in Iran we might help in overthrowing the crazy mulla government. By most accounts their population is pro-western, pro-american, they are even desperately leaving islam despite the threat of execution. But what do we have to gain from the Saudis...a couple inbred royals hated by their population because of their relationship with us. Same population supports ban against women driver, who condones abuse of their south-asian maids, cheer the AQ...what do we have to gain there? oh right...OILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    October 12, 2011 at 1:56 am | Reply
    • ilikepie

      i agree with you. someone finally caught up with what's going on here.
      us saudi arabia
      needs oil, has $ needs $, has oil

      November 8, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  32. bill

    Laughable to think Iranians imagine they'll actually be able to have a democracy while the Council of Guardians holds the real power...Basically a religious/mafia state...There's a verrrry good reason US framework created to separate church/state

    October 12, 2011 at 1:56 am | Reply
    • sinbad

      You do realize that Iran had a democracy once but the US destroyed it and installed a King, that's why they don't like Americans.

      October 12, 2011 at 11:00 am | Reply
  33. Odins

    Key here is if we manage to fuel the internal turmoil in Iran we might help in overthrowing the crazy mulla government. By most accounts their population is pro-western, pro-american, they are even desperately leaving islam despite the threat of execution. But what do we have to gain from the Saudis...a couple inbred royals hated by their population because of their relationship with us. Same population who goes nuts when women

    October 12, 2011 at 1:52 am | Reply
  34. Larry

    This ought to be cute when the Saudis don't respond militarily, but refuse to allow Iranians to make the pilgrimage to Mecca.

    October 12, 2011 at 1:19 am | Reply
  35. American

    Presstv: Iran complains to UN over US claim

    October 12, 2011 at 12:51 am | Reply
  36. SoldierofFortunes

    The Koch Brothers need a war so they can make money off the backs of those they step on to gain profits...humanity has seen the reality of American Greed and Vendictiveness of Politics and seems to me they are standing up to it all...
    About time and I agree with Lliam that the Iranians pose no danger to anyone...and the President of Iran has come out to call out nations who screw over their peoples for profits...that makes him a bad man now...REALLY??? Hey SNL???

    October 12, 2011 at 12:48 am | Reply
  37. American

    I'm wondering if Iranians hate Saudies as much as Saudies hate Americans?

    October 12, 2011 at 12:40 am | Reply
    • Brian

      Or as much as Americans hate all sand N*iggers. get out of our country and climb back into the dirt holes of scum you come from. We need to react now. Bush would not have waited around for nothing......

      October 12, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
    • lool

      Saudi doesn't hate America.... but i'm sure that there r FEW saudi who hate America because they r washed brain...
      so not all Saudi hate America...

      October 12, 2011 at 8:40 am | Reply
  38. American

    Scandal in the White House scenario Zdayrany / accused was 10 years ago, a thief! + Photo for more go through Google Translation to Farsnews site

    October 12, 2011 at 12:39 am | Reply
  39. Lliam

    In 1975, I assisted in naval training Iranian military personnel. The Iranian people are intellectuals on a scale second to none. I would seriously promote and advocate for the people of Iran to further their own history, culture and advancement – their economic status within the Arab world by overthrowing the backwards and self-serving motives of those whom advocate the death.

    October 12, 2011 at 12:34 am | Reply
  40. malik.ips

    just another day, US new propaganda campaign against iran; trying to deteriorate ties between iran and saudi arab'

    October 12, 2011 at 12:12 am | Reply
  41. Bsintheworld

    This is just BS.

    October 11, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
  42. j

    This story should have only been broken a day after tactical nukes glassed Iran.

    Sanctions and dialogue are useless. Kill them.

    October 11, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Reply
  43. Tom

    If the two brothers Saudia Arabia and Iran go to war... it will be the start of a world war.

    October 11, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • Lebanese american

      How are they brothers? Iran is a Persian nation, Saudi Arabia is Arabic. Big difference.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:22 am | Reply
      • kaleel

        you don't know the basic things in Islam. That's what you are unable to understand the differences.Those who say khalima sincerely and embrace Islam after that there is no difference. If you want more information please contact an Islamic scholar. OK.

        October 12, 2011 at 8:26 am |
  44. Roy

    Iran/Saudi War. Lets see it happen.

    October 11, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      Nostradamas predicted this... the twin towers were not brothers but sisters it is the two countries of saudis arabia and Iran that are the two brothers, and Mecca is the city of God. It makes good sense now.

      October 11, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      "In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
      Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
      while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
      The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

      - Nostradamus 1654

      October 11, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • jIM

        This has been debunked so many times. It is not an actual Nostradamus quote, it was made up by a graduate student in a paper widely available on the internet.

        October 12, 2011 at 12:25 am |
  45. patrick

    All of you religious people are nuts... stop drinking the coolaide already, there is nothing out there but space. When you die, your turn in to dirt, its real and its been proven 100000000000000000 times already – nobody has been saved, nobody has come back from the dead, steve jobs isn't hanging out with the sky people making his next big gadget the skyphone, wake up!!

    October 11, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Reply
    • sonic10158

      science can prove what happens to your physical body, but NO ONE has proven what happens to your soul. People have the right to follow a religion, so grow some tolerance.

      October 11, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Reply
      • J

        That's because it can't be scientifically proven that you have a soul in the first place.

        October 11, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
      • ilikepie

        yeah, j. here's someone who has a great arguement:

        One of the things that is most puzzling about our consciousness is that it doesn't just stop when our brain does.

        When a person gets medically labeled as 'brain-dead' – yet wakes up hours, days or even weeks later (and yes, that happens sometimes) – they often report experiences of all kinds of things. That's called a Near Death Experience. Some of those experiences sound a lot like the reports about what happens after we die by Tibetan Lama's. Others sound like they were actually conscious and knew what was happening around them.

        To me it seems that science can't have it both ways: either the brain was not dead, and that explains why consciousness didn't stop – or the brain was dead and consciousness restarted the brain somehow. If it's the first: then people don't die as quickly as medicine would like us to – in order for them to harvest organs for organ-transplants. If the second: the soul does exist.

        November 8, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • Allen

      Patrick, you represent what's wrong with Atheists. They're so adamant in the denial of a higher power, that is their religion. They also go out of their way to try and impose their views on others. Sounds like what they accuse religious people of doing, no? You can no more prove that there isn't a higher power than I can prove there is one. It's called faith. It's better to believe in something than nothing. Say you're right, say there is nothing in the afterlife. You'll never know than. If there is though, and you've spent your entire life denying it, don't you think you're going to have some questions to answer?

      October 11, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Reply
      • Nancy

        SOME atheists, Allen, SOME atheists. Not all are as dogmatic as many who post on these stories. Some are more than willing to live and let live, if only the religious among us would do the same. Srsly, I am heartily tired of hearing that, if I don't adhere to this or that imaginary friend's gospel, I'm gonna burn in hell forever and I'm an amoral piece of excrement. Only when ALL drop the feeling that they MUST convert others will we be able to live peacefully side by side, I'm afraid.

        October 11, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
      • another GD atheist

        I have faith that Santa Claus exists. Prove to me he doesn't.

        October 12, 2011 at 2:13 am |
      • another GD atheist

        Or consider the possibility you've picked the wrong god out of the thousands that have been worshipped over the history of human civilization. You've got some 'splainin' to do when your time has come.

        October 12, 2011 at 2:14 am |
      • ilikepie

        "Imaginary" nancy? can you show some respect? you don't have to believe in a supreme being if you don't want. Others choose to. It's, as allen said, faith.

        November 8, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • ilikepie

      this is what religious people hate about some atheists. we chose to believe what we chose to believe. so do you. and, btw, i would suggest learning about a religion before criticizing it.

      November 8, 2011 at 8:31 pm | Reply
    • ilikepie

      no ones come back from the dead? here's someones story:

      When I was 10 I was shot in the eye by a BB gun(insert A Christmas Story joke) and the BB travelled into my brain and is still actually in the middle of my brain right now(I'm 27 now). I don't remember what happened after the accident, only that I was very warm and felt like I was in the bottom of a well looking up towards the sky. In the hospital I told my mom and grandma that I had died and that God told me that it's not my time because He has a special purpose for my life. I don't remember any of this, but the doctors told us that there is no possible way that I'm still alive and perfectly normal other than God had to have saved me.

      I don't remember seeing anything, that's just what my mom told me I said to them in the hospital....But also my grandpa had a heart attack and was dead but they were able to bring him back and he was so mad that they did. He said that he could see Jesus and that he was almost home and wished they hadn't brought him back. He did end up passing away about 3 weeks later though.

      November 8, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Reply
  46. Mike

    Like the Hamilton Burr duel, we should demand the leading Sunni has a duel with the leading Shiite. Winner take all. What is the USA doing in this religious war between these two factions of Muslims? Who has the answer?

    October 11, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Reply
    • ilikepie

      the US (me included) is REALLY nosy.

      November 8, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  47. Stephen

    It's not the Iranian people who hate us. It's the mullas who control their government who hate us. Our history with Iran has been one of conflict since the 1950's. We supported the Shah's brutal rule. They kidnapped our diplomats for 444 days during their revolution. Please, do not invade Iran. Can the children of Abraham ever make peace with each other and tolerate each other's faiths and way of life?

    October 11, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Reply
    • J. Mike

      In short, no. Isaac was the favored one and Ishmael less favored.

      October 11, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Reply
    • Sassan

      We need to assist in the liberation of Iran. The regime occupying Iran in no way represents the Iranian populace – whom are a pro-American/pro-western people who demand only true secular democracy.

      October 11, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Reply
      • JoeProfet

        Sorry to say, Sassan, but no one is "pro-American" anymore.

        October 12, 2011 at 8:02 am |
      • ilikepie

        joeprofet:
        who says no one is pro-american anymore? these countries are allies/formal relations as of sept. 23:
        australia, kiribati, marshall islands, fsm, palau, vanuatu, argentina, bolivia, brazil, canada, chile, colombia, uruguay, venezuela, japan, brunei, phillipines, vietnam, bangladesh, bhutan, kosovo, netherlands, arab league, algeria, the UAE, angola, benin, uganda, and zambia. if there are any more or some of these aren't, please feel free to comment.

        November 8, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • edge229

      The children of Abraham are the Muslims and the Jews. Christians get to pass on the wonderful family dynamic they have going. Oh and JoeProfet, there are actually several countries where the people have a far higher opinion of Americans than Americans have of themselves. The Phillipines are one example. Sorry if I make you look like an idiot, but I doubt its the first time.

      October 13, 2011 at 3:42 am | Reply

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