Syria vote: Was it really about Syria?
U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice. Photo: AFP/Getty Images
October 6th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

Syria vote: Was it really about Syria?

By CNN Foreign Affairs Correspondent Jill Dougherty and CNN National Security Producer Jamie Crawford

The defeat of a U.N. Security Council draft resolution condemning Syria for its violent crackdown on anti-government demonstrators leaves the resolution's backers frustrated and wondering whether the two vetoes that killed it were really about Syria.

"This looks very much like a sort of punitive veto, almost, to express some sort of dissatisfaction and punishment about Libya," a Western diplomat, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the issue, told CNN.

The two countries that vetoed the resolution, Russia and China, had argued that even in its watered-down form without economic sanctions, it was a slippery slope to military intervention, a la the NATO operation to protect anti-government protesters in Libya - a fig-leaf for efforts to carry out regime change.

Tuesday evening, after the Security Council vote on Syria, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, lashed out at that notion, saying, "Let there be no doubt: This is not about military intervention. This is not about Libya," Rice said. "That is a cheap ruse by those who would rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people."

"The courageous people of Syria," she said, "can now clearly see who on this council supports their yearning for liberty and universal human rights and who does not."

At the State Department Wednesday, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, avoiding - as Rice did - naming Russia and China specifically, picked up the theme. "I would call your attention to what's happening on the Syrian opposition websites and blogs, where there is enormous outrage and anger and disappointment, particularly directed at the vetoing countries."

She added, "I saw this morning a gruesome cartoon that had been up on one of the Syrian websites with two spigots, looked like oil spigots, with blood dripping from them, with the names of those countries plastered on them."

Russia's U.N. ambassador, however, gave another explanation for Moscow's veto.

"I understand that my European colleagues are upset, having not obtained a resolution which they were trying to obtain," Vitaly Churkin said. "Some capitals are being overly hasty in passing their judgment about the illegitimacy of the leaders in Syria."

The United States, France, Great Britain and other supporters of the resolution now are regrouping.

Some countries are taking their own steps to pressure al-Assad. After the U.N. vote, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his government is preparing its own sanctions on Syria.

The European Union already has sanctions in place and could introduce more, according to Western diplomats.

The United States already has "cut off our relationship completely on the economic front," Nuland said.

Despite the frustration, former Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams, currently with the Council on Foreign Relations, told CNN he is somewhat more optimistic. He pointed to news that, despite the U.N. veto, members of the Syrian opposition are expected to visit Moscow this month.

The Russians "are hedging their bets," Abrams said. "They vetoed this resolution but they understand that Assad is in deep trouble and may not survive, and so they are placing at least a side bet on the opposition."

Sanctions, Abrams asserted, are hurting the al-Assad regime. "I think the defeat in the Security Council of the European resolution obviously isn't a good thing, but I don't think it gives much wiggle room to Assad," he said.

U.S. officials agree that sanctions - especially European sanctions - are having an effect and are sending a message to al-Assad's supporters in the Syrian elite that things will continue to get worse for them.

The Obama administration may be disappointed, frustrated, even angry at the Security Council vote. If the United Nations, at least for now, won't act, the United States will continue to lobby other countries to take economic action on their own, officials say.

"The number of countries that are prepared to tighten the noose on the regime continues to grow, and will grow," the State Department's Nuland said, "and we will be working with them."

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  3. peter

    US sell much more arms to the countries of the region than any other country. they have just a strong desire to get another leader in Syria, Cuba and other countries. so many killers were sent by CIA to kill Castro. Did anybody inCuba want this? Thousands of people were killed by NATO bombs in Iraq, Serbia, Lybia. Much more than it had been killed before NATO came.
    NATO is still killing people in Afghanistan and Lybia. Iraq is still ocuppied by US just because it has oil
    Shame on Obama and USA!

    October 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Reply
    • Robert

      The reason we unseat CORRUPT regimes like this,Libya,etc.,is because(let's not forget)the people there usually ask us for help.As for people getting killed in Libya and Iraq?I don't understand that,since it's a WAR ZONE.That's usually what happens in war zones...DUUUHHHH!!

      October 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Reply
      • Bobby

        I beg your pardon? Who asked you to help? About 5000 or so rebels who were syupported by the NATO air power? You did not support the people of Libya. You killed them under a false pretext.

        Iraq did not invade USA. USA forcibly invaded Iraq- a weaker nation which could not even defend itself. This is called being a bully and is not a war!! Have you wondered why ganags are so popular in the USA? Why are there bullies in your schools? Becuase the role model of the State is teaching them all of this nonsense. USA is no longer on a high moral ground, duh!!!

        October 13, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
  4. george

    to my first choice tv station c n n . i am a Syrian born / American for 30 some years , went to syria this past july to find the demonstrators are getting paid 20 dollars a day to go out & condem the leader , & a thousand dollars to kill just any one . some people i know were killed & i know for fact they never done a thing wrong in there life . is that the kind people who we want to be a leader instead of what we have wow be reall please & know all the fact i love both countries & hate to see this happening . lets call for peace it is much butter then blood shied enough is enough , lets live in peace .

    October 8, 2011 at 12:41 am | Reply
    • farzand irani

      yes, American but don't know english.

      October 11, 2011 at 1:42 am | Reply
  5. geo

    as we all know a lot of blood shied happening in syria , why ??? it is all polotics, i am syrian born / american for over 30 some years . love both country hope they come to some kind understanding , no one is perfect . but i would say this . Syria is one of the safest country in the world rated the third country world wide / health for there people are provided free except in some cases. the people economy has improved 100 times better then a lot of some other countries , the leader ship is good if you copair it to some other . be real , he is not the worset .he is honest , working hard to get some freedom for the people , here you have to remember the kind people live there & thier believe is not that easy to change there way of thinking , i was there this past july 2011 , it a sham to see some ediot go out in the street to get piad 20 dollar for there demonstration & get a thousand dollars to kill what you axcpect out of those kind cetezen ,,they need a doctors befor they need a freedom , so much to say but the realty is no human deserve to be killed for any thing . who is perfect ??? lets us help instead of killing we all need a good world to live in . peace for every one .

    October 8, 2011 at 12:22 am | Reply
  6. Alarick Reiboldt

    "The courageous people of Syria," she said, "can now clearly see who on this council supports their yearning for liberty and universal human rights and who does not."

    I wonder how our dear ambassador would explain this sentiment to the people of Palestine?

    October 7, 2011 at 7:09 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      The courageous people of Palestine already know it. They also know who wrote Obamas speech for the UN!! the whole world knows thatthe USA is just a bully and does not stand on a high moral ground otherwise it would not support dictators and so called Kings in Saudi Arabia. Even the courageous people of USA know this but the stupid people who beleive in propaganda do not.

      October 13, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  7. ewwww

    YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANSE!! All you dirty brown and nasty Russians. Stick to your own websites/news outlets, I'm tired of reading all the stupid that is present on this site.

    October 7, 2011 at 9:08 am | Reply
  8. Dean Havens

    May Allah bless Assad for killing 3000 crazy muslims !

    October 7, 2011 at 5:18 am | Reply
    • Joseph

      USA could not save their selves from Alqaeda attacks, how can they save the world? They could not spot 3 huge 747s in the open sky and they expect Pakistan to spot one man for them, CIA gave FALSE info in WMDs......... and now they want to attack Syria , SHAME on all of us to let USA try these wicked tricks to benefits their Elite.

      October 7, 2011 at 8:49 am | Reply
  9. Vladimir

    US is going down due to the following reasons:
    1. unsustainable mode of production and/or mode of life
    2. relatively large population to feed (300 mil)
    3. financial sector is in deep shit (collateral is not worth what is stated)
    4. average hoshold is in net debt
    5. young people do not want to have kids
    6. industry is outsourced to china
    7. nobody in the world likes US anymore
    8. the elites are too soft and shalow
    9. dollar is paper
    10. too many enemies around the world
    11. Texas is stupid
    12. culture is failing
    13. a lot of the population do not even know how to work
    14. US sucks
    15. Israel also sucks
    16. Georgia sucks

    October 7, 2011 at 4:32 am | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      Putin is as much a murderous evil dictator as Asad !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:09 am | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      Russia sucks much more than Georgia, Israel and the US combined !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:11 am | Reply
  10. Vladimir

    NATO sucks

    October 7, 2011 at 4:24 am | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      The gay tandem (putin and medvedev) SUCKS !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:12 am | Reply
  11. Nik

    I wonder what is a criteria of acceptability of a dictatrorship for the United States. US are fighting Syrian dictator Assad for shooting at armed 'freedomfighters' and simultaneously keep cherishing Saudis who whip women just for driving cars and stone them to death for alleged adultery. Yeah, keep teaching Russia and China integrity, they have already proved to be good students.

    October 7, 2011 at 2:29 am | Reply
  12. fvwl

    Ah yes, Moscow and Beijing, two former communist comrades, are back again, hand in hand again just like the old days. Being 2 super powers, they should care less about themselves. These are just two greedy powers, they care nothing outside their benefits. No blame to Beijing, this is their way, as it has always been. But Moscow, I am sad to see you are now nothing but a business man.
    From Vietnam With Love.

    October 7, 2011 at 12:53 am | Reply
    • mooo

      sounds like you support the aerial bombing campaigns. are you sure you didn't get enough?

      October 7, 2011 at 1:09 am | Reply
      • Bobo

        Have you heard about Stockholm syndrome ?

        October 7, 2011 at 2:09 am |
  13. Vladimir

    message to all Russian immigrants in the West. People, you can find better jobs in Russia, better life style, better vodka, better girls, better dreams, better future... better weekends!!!, more holidays..., more freedoms in a lot of come back home and start living, stop chasing the american dream thats been dead for 10 years now.

    October 7, 2011 at 12:28 am | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      Yes come back to Russostan and enjoy Moskvabad !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:15 am | Reply
  14. Vladimir

    who the fuck is US anyways???

    October 7, 2011 at 12:10 am | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      Somebody who whooped your sorry ass in the Cold War and destroyed your pathetic Soviet Union !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:13 am | Reply
  15. Lee

    "Let there be no doubt: This is not about military intervention. This is not about Libya," Rice said. " I almost laughed out loud when I read that. Who does she think she's kidding?

    October 7, 2011 at 12:01 am | Reply
    • Bobby

      Who do you think?Just the guillible Americans!!1

      October 13, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Reply
  16. Vladimir

    Democracy obviously does not work. ALl of europe and all of the west are in debt. In other words Democrtic world that US and Europe created is unsustainable. You can not borrow forever. A country is just like a business, if you are spending more than you r making, eventually you are out of business. (you can of course keep borrowing by reevaluating assets but thats bullshit) the only thing that can save US is a big war. they have to go outside and conquer resources. But you see HISTORY has shown multipler times what happens to Empires that think they car grow forever. Syria is a sustainable regime (their mode of production) the way people live has been sustainable for long long time. 10 times longer than US even exists. Same goes for China and Russia and Lybia and many other countries. the biggest thing is that people all over the world dont even like US anymore, the American dream is dead. Everybody knows its a stupid country and its a shame to anyone to be part of one big lie, part of something thats not real, not sustainable... what US is doing in UN and in the world is understood, but isnt right and anybody who is not brainwashed understands that.

    October 6, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Reply
  17. Vladimir

    Bob you are right about the facts you are stating. However your interpretations and conclusions are wrong.

    October 6, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Reply
  18. helenecha

    If both China and Russia didn't make Rice feel get angry, would she really be willing to accept them and trust them?

    October 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Reply
  19. one sick crusader

    US biggest war monger on the earth, whose hands are bloodied with the one million Iraqis and Afghanis trying to pretend human right champion, George bus the crusader himself love to kill muslims as many as he could to satisfy his blood hunger. shame on you america.

    October 6, 2011 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  20. Adada

    Perhaps it is true that russia and china have exercised their veto powers on behalf of personal interest. But is the US any better? The US has threatened to use its veto powers when palestine applies for statehood at the UN. Is this not for personal interest and due to close relations to Israel. If sanctions against syria are justified, aren't sanctions against Israel, not only for the crimes it has committed against the palestinian people, but for breaking every single UN sponsored agreement in regards to settlements and the distribution of land between them and the palestinians. Furthermore, who has the right to judge who should be in power in Syria? Perhaps under Assad the country is better off than under any other form of government regime. Look at Iraq, the US intervened and was able to oust Saddam Hussein, arguably one of the most ruthless dictators. The result- under the current regime and due to war 1 MILLION and 700,000 INNOCENT IRAQIS have died, you think that many died under Saddam. The US and any other country does not have the right to interfere in Syria's business. They are not Judges- leave that to God, My third and final point is that there are no innocent protesters in this battle. Behind the scenes much more is occurring than what FOX, CNN or any other news channels are showing us. The reality is that all these news channels are tools used by the corporatocracy (government, large coporations etc) to transmit and shape your political and ideological beliefs. You people really think changing regime in Syria to a pro-Western regime is not in western interests. Who will start pumping oil from the oilfields? WESTERN COMPANIES like BP, CHEVRON etc. (companies who sponsor almost all of congress) WHO WILL RECONSTRUCT SYRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE? WESTERN CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES like HALLIBURTON. It will be another Libyan scenario. WAKE UP PEOPLE>

    October 6, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Reply
    • Dean Havens

      May Allah bless Assad ! He is killing so many filthy muzzies !

      October 7, 2011 at 5:17 am | Reply
  21. Bob Devendorf

    The last thing China and Russia want to do is approve sanctions against a country that brutalizes its own people because that's exactly what THEY do.

    Russian routinely tortures and murders journalists or others that they think are criticizing the regime and China does the same, so there's no surprise here.

    October 6, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Reply
    • yeah

      If only another stronger nation decide to do a regime change on the US.

      October 6, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Reply
      • So what??

        And who is gonna change America's "regime"?? Good luck with that stupid talking monkey! I and 395 Million FREE, INDEPENDANT, American citizens put that "regime" in place. And at least I will defend it TO THE DEATH! America may not be perfect, but it sure is better than ANY country out there! Who else sacrafices her own sons to help liberate oppressed people in a stone age backwards place, then REBUILD their infrastructure BETTER than it was before??? Who else has pioneered science and technology to so the whole world can better themselves?? Who else allows freedom of religion??? I know muslim, jewish, christian, buddist, hindu, wiccan, atheist, agnostics... and other people! EACH is NOT harrassed by the government and their followers are NOT disappeared! GET OVER YOUR PETTY DIFFERENCES AND JUST MAYBE THE WORLD CAN ACT LIKE JUST THAT.... A UNITED WORLD! So stupid to fight over religion, race, political offiliation, events of the past... GET OVER IT! Is it going to take ALIENS FROM ANOTHER WORLD to wake us up to the fact that we are all stuck on this mud ball and HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER???? COEXIST!

        October 7, 2011 at 4:46 am |
    • Lee

      Bob, isn't it strange then that the Russians and Chinese didn't veto the Libya no-fly zone resolution then? Despite our governments protests, I have absolutely no doubt this resolution would have been somehow used for the West to interfere militarily. Our government seems to be making that more and more obvious as tme goes on.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
  22. Mac Qurashi

    Amazing! US had been vetoeing resolutions that were put forth against the actions of Israel, 49 times and 50th is coming.

    October 6, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Reply
    • N8CjFnxz

      Booyah! Props to people like you.

      October 6, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Reply
  23. SomeSyrian

    Look as a Syrian, I'm an idiot and a tool. I'll cut and paste the same pro-Assad post just to be a troll. I praise lying, hypocritical governments like China and Russia because I'm a lover of evil dictatorships. So if you have anything meaningful to say in response, [no thanks]...Try something else.

    October 6, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Reply
  24. bob clark

    This is not about Syria or Turkey , even about any arab nation. This is outright fear from China and Russia that a UN motion may go against them and then THEIR regimes would be declared unwelcome and taken out by a joint group of nations. It is their self preservation of their authoritarian regimes.

    October 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Reply
    • Joel

      Are you stupid? Russia and China are on the security council. How would a resolution be levied against them if they have the right to veto it themselves?

      October 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  25. Chuk

    Here we go again. The US (I mean Israel) trying to effect a regime change in a country it doesn't like. Has anybody bothered to ask who these "pro democracy" elements are? Why are these "peaceful demonstrators" armed to the hilt? If they're so "peaceful", how come they are armed?
    This is how the "peaceful demonstrators" in Libya morphed into armed gangs. Anyone remember what happened in Afganistan in the '70s and '80s. One element of the "resistance" named Osama decided not to play nice anymore.
    Which leads one to believe that the difference between "peaceful demonstrators" and armed gangs is which side of the issue you're on.

    October 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Reply
    • Mycology

      jew haters are pretty pathetic creatures,

      a funnier side to your nonsense and idiocy is that – you guys can never make up your minds!

      one day assad is a zionist, the next he is anti-zionist,

      one day he's an american/israeli puppet, the next he's a "regime being targeted by the jews" , blah blah blah,

      make up your minds already.

      October 6, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Reply
      • mc

        Hahah, I was thinking the same thing. Israel has a peace treaty with Syria and I am sure they are nervous about regime change. And saying that Israel controls America is just funnier n hell.

        October 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • SomeSyrian

        Uh-huh. That's why Israel recently bombed a nuclear facility Syria was building with North Korea's help. That's why Israel had to invade Lebanon to stop the Syrian-sponsored attacks on its northern border.
        The Syrian people may hate Israel, but it's in Israel's best interest to see Iran's biggest ally in the region removed from power.

        October 6, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • KTA

      Indeed, try to put these "peaceful demonstrators" on the American soil, hehehe...

      October 6, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Reply
    • Dana

      Just as in Yemen, Bahrain, Egypt, and Libya, these protesters did not fire until fired upon by the local dictator. It is anyone's guess what will happen in these countries. One thing is for certain. It will be hard for democracy to take root in the Middle East with religion and sectarian violence breathing down their necks. In Egypt, democracy will be a shell game – forever out of reach, while the military plays favorites with the Muslim Brotherhood and they come up with some democracy lite government that keeps women forever on the sidelines.

      October 6, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Reply
    • American842

      Really? You find a way to blame countries wanting to move on a regime that has tortured and killed 1000's of peaceful protesters on Isreal. Your like that stupid child blames any and everything on the kid across the room. Pathetic.

      October 6, 2011 at 5:19 pm | Reply
    • Miami1111

      You're a fool. The Syrian regime is the most savage and primitive regime on the planet. They chop your head off and pull your eyes out if you dare speak against their President. Protesters have no choice but to pick up arms, as this regime will not fall without War.

      October 6, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Reply
  26. brown

    Do the countless U.S. VETOS on behalf of Israel reflect the will of the American people?

    October 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Reply
    • Mycology

      Yes, they do reflect the position of the American people regarding Israel and the islamic bloodlust for Israelis.

      Does the UN with its 57 islamic nations reflect the will of the world? An automatic majority of hate and genocide from them, always directed against israel, is not democracy, it is the failure of democracy.

      October 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Reply
      • bigbadbernie

        Yes and that also goes for western Canada

        October 6, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • Jenny

      Were the endless intifadas (homicidal bombing campaigns aimed at any and all Israelis) started by Arafat, reflect the will of the Palestinian people yearning for statehood and respect from the world?

      October 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
    • bob clark

      Israel was there first and defended herself under both kings Solomon and David over 2000 years ago. Totally agree with another poster "Russia and China support NORTH Korea and that is all I need to know" . That makes it easy to see who is my enemy in the world. Oh and they also support Iran having Nukes ! Great idea. Wait, some will scream , Isreal has nukes. Yup, and they are surrounded by sea of jealous slovenly slothful muslim nations who want their water. Russian wants the Syrian warm water navy base in the Eastern medditeranian and to poke a finger in the eye of the USA . The cold war never ended. Those people dont even remember the food we sent them in world war 2 and 1991.

      October 6, 2011 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • Light In The Black

      ****** Do the countless U.S. VETOS on behalf of Israel reflect the will of the American people?

      YES !!!!!

      October 6, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  27. jbm

    What no Flotilla?

    October 6, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
    • mbj

      No. That is a weak Turkish tactic that gets people killed.

      October 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  28. Steve Thompson

    Here is a summary of Syria’s oil industry and how an oil embargo will impact the nation's economy:

    October 6, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Reply
  29. jicktick

    oh yeah, what are the democratic credentials of an organization where five countries hold the all powerful veto whereas the rest (~)200 countries do not have such privilege... no, I dont want to protest against that org.. not worth it..

    October 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply
  30. logic

    Russian and China support north Korea. Thats all everyone needs to know

    October 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    • King

      dont forget Iran. They also support Iran.

      October 6, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Reply
    • Jenny

      They also supported Gadhafi until the very end.

      October 6, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Reply
    • mike

      Shame on you Russia and China, you are now partners with the criminal Syrian regime in its crime against humanity.

      October 6, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Reply
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  32. SomeSyrian

    Look as a Syrian, I appreciate the veto by Russia and China. The West is just encouraging criminals, murderers, and vandals in Syria. The crimes have been committed by some armed extremist groups from the beginning of these events, but the West want to keep ignoring this fact. We all know that the ones that kill people and mutilate bodies are the extremists. The government does not need to do these kind of acts and in fact the government have caught many criminals and they have kept them in prioson and showed 100ds of confessions on national tv. However, thanks God that China, Russia, India, Brazil, and South Africa and Lebanon are more familiar with the reality of events in Syria. As a Syrian I support Assad against those criminal groups and I am amazed how Ms. Victoria Nuland gets the information from the opposition's website and blah..blah...We all know the story in Syria. And we say to your sanctions gesture [no thanks]...

    October 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Reply
    • Nancy

      Al-Assad is a dictator. End of story. If I were there I would be up in arms also and working for the resistance. What is it that you people don't understand about dictators. It is the nastiest of words in the modern world. You have bought into the dictators narrative about armed gangs. It has been noted by more than one source that over 2,000 protestors have been killed by government forces. With that knowledge it is no wonder that the protestors are firing back at government thugs.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Reply
      • Jerkinp

        one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... lol

        October 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Chicano Lignt

      Your are either ingorant or on the government payroll. Your are an embarressment to humanity.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • Chicano Light

      My message is for Mr. Some Syran, freedom is a human right. Assad, the dictator is killing syran people because they want their freedom. Decisions by Russia and China are grounded on their political and economical self-interest. That's all. Its time to rise from the dark ages.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Reply
      • Bob

        I agree we have / had dictatorship in the Middle East ( Libya & Syria included)...the Qs is ..why are we selective in deciding which ones stay and which ones go.....If this is not based on interest then perhaps you are blind.....and a hypocrite.

        October 6, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • mike

      All the crimes are committed by the Syrian regime. If this is not the case, then why don't they allow free independant media in Syria? Let human rights group in the country and let them visit the prisons. If this regime is so loved and popular, why don't they allow free and transparent election? This is because they know they will not get more than 10% of the votes. It is time for this criminal regime to go and let Syria be free at last.

      October 6, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  33. victim of democrat hypocrisy

    Gee, imagine that–the two governments at most responsible for protecting evil governments around the world, China and Russia, vetoed the vote that would condemn Syria's brutal crackdown of its people's peaceful protest. I guess they'd rather sell Assad the weapons he uses to kill his own populace.


    October 6, 2011 at 11:49 am | Reply
    • Kraznodar

      Your post is a bad case of the pot calling the kettle a filthy nigger. The USA has actively removed several democracies and replaced them with fascist dictatorships. It would be nice if we hadn't slaughtered tens of thousands of pro-democracy advocates in South and Central America but the simple fact is that we did kill them either directly or by funding the secret police and paramilitaries that murdered them.

      Assad is a rat bastard but how is that any different than Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan or Bush part 2? Oh, that's right, Assad is honest about his evil.

      October 6, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Reply
    • Philip

      Your use of the N word dramatically illustrates your extremist propensity to make a point. Anything done under the umbrella of democracy is better than that done under the umbrella of a closed dictatorship. America is a work in progress. We are two parties and both sometimes get it wrong. Democracy is not always pretty but it is the best we can hope for. I'd rather learn from my mistakes within the confines of democracy than within the confines of a dictatorship. While we are pointing out black eyes, you don't want to forget the thousands of Syrian citizens killed in Homs by Al-Assads dictator father.

      October 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Reply
      • Deepak

        Oh! Then why is America doing business with the biggest tyrant of all, China? Shouldn't it cut all relationships with a non-democratic and high-handed government that rules over nearly 16% of the world's population? And what about the alliance with Pakistan under the dictatorship of Musharaff? Or atleast why isn't there any pressure on the Yemeni leadership to give up? Sanctions on poor countries like Syria will only affect the general population. The leaders who make the decisions or their employees will still be sitting pretty over what they have already acquired. And unless the rebels convince they are better than Asad, the world has no business iintervening in Syria.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
      • mbj

        America has had to do business with the leaders that they are presented with. The United States has not been ambiguous in telling China exactly how we feel. The Chinese clearly understand our problems with censorship, intellectual property, democracy, Taiwan independence, Tibet inclusion, the Tiananmen Square Massacre, widespread Communist corruption and other things.

        October 6, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
      • victim of democrat hypocrisy

        "Shouldn't it cut all relationships with a non-democratic and high-handed government that rules over nearly 16% of the world's population?"
        Yes. We should have NEVER done ANY business with ANY communist country!!!

        "And what about the alliance with Pakistan under the dictatorship of Musharaff?"
        That was an ill-conceived plan done out of necessity to county India's coziness with Moscow. Now that that relationship is over, we're finally figuring out the better friend is India and NOT the terrorist-supporting Pakistan.

        "Or atleast why isn't there any pressure on the Yemeni leadership to give up?"
        Because that dictator is helping us root out AQAP and preventing al Shabbab in Somalia from linking up with Yemeni militants. Our government's first priority is to protect American interests. If that means today we have to support a dictator who's sympathetic to our goals, then we swallow hard and do it. You might have well asked why we support the Saudis.

        "Sanctions on poor countries like Syria will only affect the general population."
        Sanctions never work to put pressure on dictators because dictators don't care what happens to the people. Just ask Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il if sanctions ever convinced them to stop being dictators.

        "And unless the rebels convince they are better than Asad, the world has no business iintervening in Syria."
        We should intervene in Syria because 1) it's in our best interest to remove a close ally of Iran and sponsor of terrorism in the region, 2) it would mean garner good will from the people of Syria, making it easier to deal with Lebanon and the Palestinians, and 3) ASSAD BUILT A NUCLEAR FACILITY with the help of North Korea. If Iran and Syria have nuclear weapons, how long do you think it would be before Israel or one of bases in the region was attacked with a nuclear bomb?

        October 6, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  34. Wind

    The truth is China and Russia are fighting America's influence around the world. We can say we're a Christian Nation all we want but this Empire like all others has innocent blood on it's hands. America has supported ruthless leaders in the past as Russia and China have. America says it's about Democracy but that is a lie if you look deep enough. Our Empire is a huge lier, we Trade with China but not Cuba. Both are communists and kill their own people.

    October 6, 2011 at 11:34 am | Reply
    • Someone

      For sure it was not about what is happening in Syria because it is all based about lies and fabrications.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:42 am | Reply
      • Gigi

        ...and how on Earth would you know what was really going on in Syria? International journalists have never been allowed there during this uprising of its citizens. If Assad really had a believable narrative concerning the uprising, then he should have no qualms about allowing in the international journalists. The problem is that the international journalists would squash his side of the story within a day if they were allowed into this backwards country ruled by a dictator and his dictator daddy for 40 years.

        October 6, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Sam

      Gay people have never fared well in America. They have struggled here as though they were in Syria or Iran. They have had to fight tooth and nail for every piecemeal crumb that has been thrown their way in the last 50 years or more. They have themselves to thank because few Americans have stepped out on a limb to ensure that these American citizens receive all of the fairness that was promised to all Americans. Christianity stood and is still standing directly in the way of their progress. How can they dismiss these gay Americans wholesale and call themselves children of God. It makes no sense whatsoever.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:46 am | Reply
  35. Truthwillsetyoufree

    Both China and Russia are contraries to any USA. Even if it is just and about human rights. Just like the GOP in the USA...

    October 6, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • SomeSyrian

      Look as a Syrian, I appreciate the veto by Russia and China. The West is just encouraging criminals and vandals in Syria. The crimes have been committed by some armed extremist groups from the beginning of these events, but the West want to keep ignoring this fact. However, thanks God that China, Russia, India, Brazil, and South Africa and Lebanon are more familiar with the reality of events in Syria. As a Syrian I support Assad against those criminal groups and I am amazed how Ms. Victoria Nuland gets the information from the opposition's website and blah..blah...We all know the story in Syria. And we say to your sanction gesture [no thanks]...Try something else.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • Kathey

      Syrians will not stand aside and allow Al-Assad to lie about coming governmental reforms for another 40 years. Those reforms will never come. The time has passed and the dictatorship has ended. If your heart is caught up in a dictatorship then you could use a few lessons in humanity yourself.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
  36. Mazher

    So much of insult on daily basis, is it really to to save Syria or our own illegitimate and spoiled son Israel, than the same Yard stick should be applied to first to Yemen, Bahrain, I think we are looking into one eye, when the Almighty and wise has provided us two eyes.
    It is time to think honestly and fairness, other wise very soon we will be looking like Hippocrates in eyes of the world, Susan rice is not different with the earlier Rice,as if cousins flock to gather.

    October 6, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
    • David

      What is the Arab League doing? Sitting on their hands? Counting oil money? Thinking of new laws against women? Praying 20 times a day and not getting a thing done? Where is the collective voice of the Arab League?

      October 6, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
    • Brenda

      Syria and Egypt have yet to live down their humiliating 6 day war with Israel. That is really the thorn in their sides. They lost the war and lost land during a preemptive strike against the Jews. It will take 10,000 years before they forget about that and live and let live.

      October 6, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
      • ram

        America has never won a military war alone. It has always depended on other countries to back it up. The only times they went to it virtually alone were in Vietnam and you know how they had to climb on rooftops to get the nearest helicopter out...scared of the little vietnamese farmer with a machete eating 1 bowl of rice a week. The other time was Grenada, where they took it in 2 hours while the soldiers were carousing...this is not really a win. The other time was in Panama while everyone was asleep and the seals came to ali baba in the night. But the most important one was- Canada whipped the united states circa 1850. The americans were well trained and the Canadians were little guys living in tents or igloos with outdated rifles. As you can see, the mighty giant in your eyes will never forget its defeats so it has to keep on trucking to show that it is still in the business of warfare.

        October 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • Mycology

      Israel existed long before Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc

      and they much more legitimacy than any of those, and certainly more than a recently invented group of people called "palestinians"

      October 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Reply
      • Jenny

        While the Palestinians lived on the land, they had no official borders or government that was recognized by anyone in the West or the East.

        October 6, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
  37. Allan Gonzales

    Let's see how the US will vote on the Palestine application for a Nation to the U.N. You will see the true color of the US by then. The Western Human Rights policies are double standard, and in case you do not know, those are the tools of the US to advance its interests. I've been to the US cities. There you will see how the US itself violates human rights. Not only that, Americans are racists. You don't need to look very far. The white made it difficult for the US President (Mr. Obama) to approve the budget for borrowings to improve US economy because they don't want him reelected. Its not about policies, its about the color of the skin.

    October 6, 2011 at 11:05 am | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      An overwhelming majority of white people voted for Mr. Obama. An overwhelming majority of white Americans are not racist. America is the experimental land where all colors are welcomed. We are the melting pot of civilization. The only peoples who are having trouble fitting in are those that refuse to meld into American society. Palestine should not be opening back doors to find a state. They should recognize their neighbor Israel first and make peace first. There is a reason that the Palestinians have painted themselves into two corners like rats and that is because of their insistence on electing the terrorist group Hamas to represent them. There is a reason the Palestinians don't have a state to this day and that is because they will never recognize Israelis as human and the Israeli state as an official neighbor. Their intransigence fuels their desperation. They are their own worst enemy.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:29 am | Reply
      • CTD

        you are absolutely Jewish

        October 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
      • Elizabeth

        Is that the best you can come up with? You are absolutely Jewish? Not very original. Don't you have any talking points to contribute besides labeling everyone a Jew if they don't coalesce with your vision of the truth?

        October 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
      • KTA

        very American. always double standards.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Mycology

        Elizabeth, that is the only "insult" they have, and unfortuantely: to them that is a reasonable argument.

        The moment it became convenient, they accused Al-Assad of being a Jew / zionist / Israeli puppet, they did the same with Muburak, they did the same with Qaddafi, and they even do the same with Hitler trying to claim he was Jewish or some sort of "jewish conspiracy" blah blah blah.

        sad, isn't it? As long as they keep deteriorating mentally and academically, I dont think we have anything to worry about. 🙂

        October 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
      • bigbadbernie

        Very well said. But what dose it take for others to see that light. If a majority of the world opionion felt that way we wouldn"t have half the problems we have now Don't let emotions rule let logic ruile

        October 6, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Brian from Chicago

      To accuse an entire country of people of being racist is very careless of you. You do realize that most Americans who voted for Obama preferred him over a white man? Are you aware that the United States fought white Christian Serbs to protect Muslim Albanians? Our Middle East policy is complicated and imperfect, but if you're going to hurl accusations, please stick to relevant facts.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:56 am | Reply
      • White man

        Brian...your comment " You do realize that most Americans who voted for Obama preferred him over a white man? " I did not vote for Obama becuase I preferred him over a white man. I voted for him becuase he was the best candiate.
        the color of his skin is meaningless. I got your point but your statement was border line racist.

        October 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
      • Red

        White Man, being white is being racist these days it seems. While it's true I've heard people say "It's time we had a black president", I could never understand this since blacks only represent 15% of the population, a black does not represent our country, it was not time. But Obama was only half black and not a danger to the white population which made him popular and fulfilled that furturistic ideal that someday the U.S. would have a black president. So now it's been done and white's can be elected again without it hanging over our heads. All these blacks in our government are qualified, however there are white people out there just as qualified that will not get the chance to serve in our government because of the color of their skin. I think blacks do take office with the intent of only representing black interest because they believe white's are not representing them. And I've seen big problems with blacks in office in communities with a large black population like ex-Mayor of Detroit Kilpatrick and others. Obama is not a bad president, he's been making some wise choices although they are not popular with everyone.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • SomeSyrian

      Look as a Syrian, I appreciate the veto by Russia and China. The West is just encouraging criminals and vandals in Syria. The crimes have been committed by some armed extremist groups from the beginning of these events, but the West wants to keep ignoring this fact. However, thanks God that China, Russia, India, Brazil, and South Africa and Lebanon are more familiar with the reality of events in Syria. As a Syrian I support Assad against those criminal groups and I am amazed how Ms. Victoria Nuland gets the information from the opposition's website and blah..blah...We all know the story in Syria. And we say to your sanction gesture [no thanks]...Try something else.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:57 am | Reply
  38. Manny

    One of the reason why China and Russia vetoed this motion is because the UN is supporting terrorist groups. Look at Libya for example, we are bombing innocent people to help a bunch of criminals overthrow the legit government of the states. Mustafa Abdul Jalil and current rebels leaders do a research. Hypocritical!! Who trained the terrorist forces that fought and raised arms against the United States in the late 90's and early 2000', let me guess THE SAME TRAITORS WHICH WE ARE PROTECTING RIGHT NOW, THE SO CALLED LIBYAN REBELS . know your facts.

    October 6, 2011 at 10:57 am | Reply
    • Ted

      What we know as fact is that Gadhafi was a dictator. Nothing else seems relevant.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • Karen

      Russia and China never met a dictator they didn't like. These countries are always hesitant to interfere in other countries because they know that their own governments actions are not far behind the mess we witness in places like Syria and Libya. The communist government of China runs roughshod over its citizens on a daily basis. Russia is nothing more than a country run by a wealthy and entrenched Russian mafia. Both countries have sever limits on freedom of the press and freedom of speech and government corruption in both countries is finally taking its toll on its citizens. They won't vote for the humanity of all men because the world wil be coming to the aid of the Russian and Chinese citizens in due time.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:39 am | Reply
      • Brian from Chicago

        "Russia and China never met a dictator they didn't like." – I couldn't have said it better.

        October 6, 2011 at 11:57 am |
      • Alexander

        "Russia and China never met a dictator they didn't like..." - what about democratically elected fuhrer of Germany in 1941?

        October 6, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
      • Star

        The Russians didn't like Hitler once Hitler set his army in motion to invade Russia. Russians didn't much care about Hitlers antics beforehand. China as usual didn't lift a finger to help in World War II.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
      • Joel

        Quote: Star "China as usual didn't lift a finger to help in World War II."

        You mean like the same U.S. didn't lift a finger to help France fight in Europe in the 1700s?

        October 6, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
  39. Allan Gonzales

    Good that Russia and China had stand up against the imperialists western nations that have been dominating the world. We know for a fact that CIA has a hand in destabilizing nations that can not be cowed by the imperialists. Then, they use the U.N as a finishing touches to legitimize their terrorists acts. Look what happened to Libya. The imperialists misled the U.N in having the resolution approved on the pretext to protect the oppositions. Was it not a clear invasion by foreign powers in the guise of implementing U.N approved resolution? US is the number manipulator.

    October 6, 2011 at 10:52 am | Reply
    • David

      I can't think of a better way to protect the opposition than ridding Gadhafi of his bullets. Case closed. If you are so in love with Gadhafi, maybe he could rule over your home and yard and bedroom. He is probably free for hire now. However you will have to keep him clothed in new textiles everyday. He does love beautiful fabric.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • Brian from Chicago

      Yeah, it's annoying how we Imperialists try to impose "human rights" everywhere – as if citizens of other countries actually deserve those.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Reply
    • one man army!!!

      And to add to your point,the so call west,led by their grandfather america are now leading the entire world to a ww3 becouse of their greed.they have even reached the point to even choose which side of the civilians of a nation the can sideline with so that they can achieve their interest.once they hear 100 protested against the nation of their target,their faces are lit with a huge smile becouse they have the petrol(Media) to spread the fire.we have already seen that in libya.they said they are protecting civilians.gadhafi could not defeat the westernd backed rebels were living inside highly populated cities and so gadhafi was a threat to civilians,so they halted every atempt he took.but suprising they were pushing rebels to attack the governent forces without considering the lives of the civilians that they used as the key to their interest.the fact is their aim was not about saving lives or maybe they can only the lives of those who suport the rebels.rusia and china did the right thing.

      October 6, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  40. kathy

    Big surprise....both of those governments have long histories of repressing their people. Russia might have lost Communism and the Cold War...but Putin is not too far away from bringing it back. Russia and China have never supported resolutions that condemn countries for human rights violations because they do the same thing in their own countries.

    October 6, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • Philip

      The Transitional Council in Libya has already ruled out Russia and China for any new business adventures. They have reported that the west will always be their first choice in business deals. They are going to dance with the guy that brought them to the party – the West.

      October 6, 2011 at 11:58 am | Reply
      • That'snotTrue:[

        If you haven't noticed the west is nearly bankrupt, so the guy brough the girl to the party but couldn't afford the entrance tickets, that's where your analogy is going.
        & Besides the west, especially the US meddle in other's affairs too much, so possessive boyfriend?
        I doubt they'll overlook either Russia or China, too big of a market, so do the girl want the possessive, broke bad boy who keeps on getting into more gang wars who got her out of her previous bad relationship, but entered her into a new one.
        Or a stable guy who's making it big?
        They're aren't dumb...but I have to say tthe majority of Americans on these forums are, too much of the holier than thou attitude, as you displayed.

        October 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • Tina

        As bankrupt as they are, they still found enough money and humanity to knock out this dictator. I'd say the girl fared very well. She is now sitting pretty in a liberated Tripoli and able to voice her political opinions for once in here life. No thanks to China or Russia.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
  41. Kerry Berger

    Let's face it. Both China seek to exert influence on the Middle East. After Syria there's only Iran, which is less desirable a partner for instigating trouble in the region compared to Syria. Iran is more marginalized with international sanctions. Hence, Syria is where the Russians and Chinese have hedged their bets. As with Libya, they want assurances that a succeeding government will honor all previously negotiated trade and arms agreement. As Assad loses power, both parties will reluctantly recognize the next government.

    October 6, 2011 at 10:17 am | Reply
    • SomeSyrian

      Look as a Syrian, I appreciate the veto by Russia and China. The West is just encouraging criminals, murderers, and vandals in Syria. The crimes have been committed by some armed extremist groups from the beginning of these events, but the West want to keep ignoring this fact. We all know that the ones that kill people and mutilate bodies are the extremists. The government does not need to do these kind of acts and in fact the government have caught many criminals and they have kept them in prioson and showed 100ds of confessions on national tv. However, thanks God that China, Russia, India, Brazil, and South Africa and Lebanon are more familiar with the reality of events in Syria. As a Syrian I support Assad against those criminal groups and I am amazed how Ms. Victoria Nuland gets the information from the opposition's website and blah..blah...We all know the story in Syria. And we say to your sanction gesture [no thanks]...Try something else.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Reply
      • Brian from Chicago

        Sure, you're from Syria. In fact, you're from one of those villages that held a demonstration asking for Assad to come through on his promises. Sure.

        October 6, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
      • Kathey

        We are all amazed at how you keep cutting and pasting this entry. Say it once and move on to another subject or at least reword it. Get creative.

        October 6, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
      • canadiansyrian

        what eles can you say ?
        you and your lover boy Assad i mean the killer assad is fininshed.

        October 6, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  42. jeff forsythe

    Of course the Chinese Communist Party would not support anything that would return individual rights to humans.
    All anyone ever talks about referring to Communist China is finance. I guess the reason human rights are never mentioned is because there are none.
    The brutal Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has murdered eighty million of its own people since it took power in 1949 and since 1999 has been attempting the genocide of the tens of millions of innocent Falun Gong practitioners.
    The media and the governments of the Western World have chosen to turn their backs on the plight of the good people of Mainland China in return for high dividends, which has backfired, as bad deeds usually do.
    Especially in the USA, where Americans seem to have forgotten how tens of thousands of their children died in Vietnam fighting the spread of Communism. Americans, as well as Canadians, used to cherish human rights. What happened ?
    Just my understanding, thank you.

    October 6, 2011 at 10:13 am | Reply
    • Brett

      Perhaps you should brush up on your understanding. Do you even remember how the CPC responded to the resolution on Libya? Is your memory that clouded by jingoism and a deep paranoia of communism? Do you not even consider the consequences to livelihood and security a country faces when it undergoes an armed, violent revolution?

      October 6, 2011 at 10:58 am | Reply
    • Samantha

      The New York Times is an excellent source for the day to day horrors that go in within China. Want to know about Chinese dissidents, their bogus arrests and their bogus charges? Read The New York Times.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm | Reply
      • That'snotTrue:[

        You do realize the American media have more propaganda than other countries combined, right? Compare CNN to CBC, there's no objectifyed news anymore...and beside when the white house can't fix their own problems, they want you to focus else where, with fiction news.
        Have you been there? Do you watch anything other than CNN or FOX? I think that explains your narrow mindedness.

        October 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • Samantha

        My dear child! LEARN TO READ! I never mentioned CNN, FOX or CBC (whatever that is). I mentioned The New York Times for reports on China and you went off on a peripheral tangent that can't rightly be explained.

        October 6, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • CTD

      I am very glad that Chinese forbid the Falun gong in China, Falungong will train normal people become idiot and ignoramus .

      October 6, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Reply
  43. Carl

    Of course China and Russia are against the overthrow of dictatorships .. it is past time for democratic nations
    to leave the UN and form another organization .. the US should have supported the Syrian protestors months ago with more than words .. send big bullets into the palace in Damascus .. cruise missiles ..

    October 6, 2011 at 10:02 am | Reply
  44. Chet

    Do these "Western diplomats" have ANY credibility after what happened in LibyaA? Of course Libya had everything to do with the veto. NATO insisted that the UN resolution on Libya was about protecting civilians. Russia, China, Germany, and Brazil had doubts about that and thought the UN resolution was too vague and would open a pandora's box. NATO claimed innocence. Fast forward to today and NATO is STILL bombing Gadhafi's hometown. How can anyone trust these two-faced liars?

    October 6, 2011 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • Carl

      Chet do you know that Moscovites in Russia cannot even vote for mayor? .. that opposition parties are not allowed to register ? The the Kremlin controls the TV stations ? now you support Qaddafi too .. do you think you should protect someone who is attacked on the street in your town ?

      October 6, 2011 at 10:07 am | Reply
      • SovietUnion

        I am Russian and pi....s off from my Country. It is not your f..g business to point to us. Go and kiss NATO We know what to do an how to live. YOu as.l never saw your dead friends killed by terrorists, you never went thru regime change, so sh.. the ..f up.

        October 6, 2011 at 10:23 am |
      • bob clark

        THIS IS FOR SOVIET UNION. I have to agree with Carl here . Sorry Soviet Union, oh and nice madeup fake name by the way. Hey, I lived in your country and worked there for years and I have Russian relatives. Khodorkovskii goes up against Putin to create a political opposition and he gets put in jail. how about that ? Litvneyenko decides to go opposition and he gets poisoned. After the kursk sinking, which turns out to be a torpedo malfunction not an attack, Putler has a TV conference BUT the problem is Berezovsky owns the station and show tape of a blond woman yelling at putin about her son. She is then given an injection just like in the Soviet Union KGB psycho hospital days of the past. Putin decides to take private property and steal the station with phony tax police charges right then. Politivskaya writes about corruption and the war in Chechnya and she gets killed by the FSB. Then we have the mysterious beginning of privatization in Petersburg under Putin the hotel he owns as well as most of Rosneft and Gazprom , highly unethical for a leader to own what he legislates about. How does your president with official salary of $200,000 per year have the largest yacht in the world built in Finland ? Is it because he is the biggest mafia Krisha of Russia ? Did you forget the west sent food in both 1941 and 1991 to Russia. And you have a rude mouth and are Ne Kulturii. my guess is you are a Nashi skin head. Can you explain the lack of an opposition party and why all the yablako signatures were declared invalid or why Oblast governors are appointed and NOT voted for. I remember losing that voting right when I lived there. Get over it , you collapsed , lost the cold war and now sell Oil, gas, timber and platinum. go 100 miles outside of moscow and things resemble the 3rd world. Healthcare has become a disaster. If you can answer these questions with some culture, politeness that would indicate a decent level of education then please do so but dont cuss and curse or it shows your level. I know many educated russians , who are well read and well spoken to include music lessons. You dont seem to be one of them so i dont expect much, but feel free to surprise me pazhalsta.

        October 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm |

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