Analysis: Afghan assassination means Taliban 'want war, not peace'
September 20th, 2011
04:31 PM ET

Analysis: Afghan assassination means Taliban 'want war, not peace'

By Tim Lister and Jennifer Rizzo, CNN

The assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani in Kabul – apparently by the very group he was trying to negotiate with – suggests a political solution in Afghanistan remains a distant prospect – and is another reminder of how fragile security is in the Afghan capital, according to analysts and diplomats.

Rabbani was also one of the most prominent Tajiks in Afghanistan, and his killing is likely to aggravate their fears of renewed ethnic conflict with the largely Pashtun Taliban.

It’s not clear whether the Taliban leadership sanctioned the assassination, but that was the immediate assumption of the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, who said it represented “the strategy of the Taliban to assassinate as many leaders as possible.”

Those words were echoed by Gen. John R. Allen, commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, who said that “regardless of what Taliban leadership outside the country say, they do not want peace, but rather war.”

Long an enemy of the Taliban, Rabbani was a controversial choice when appointed by Afghan President Hamid Karzai as chairman of the High Peace Council a year ago. A former president of Afghanistan himself, he was forced to flee Kabul when the Taliban took over in 1996, but continued to lead resistance to the regime from his stronghold in Faisabad in northern Afghanistan.

“Politics in Afghanistan tend to be ethnic based,” says Paraag Shukla, an expert on Afghan governance at the Institute for the Study of War. “Rabbani has been a leading figure in the Tajik minority. He was a surprising choice when he was chosen to be a head of this peace council because the Taliban has opposed him in the past because they are Pashtun.”

Even Rabbani himself had expressed distrust of Karzai’s peace overtures to the Taliban. He was quoted in a U.S. diplomatic cable in 2008 as saying many “non-Pashtuns suspect Karzai is pursuing a strategy that sets Pashtuns against the country’s other ethnicities.” He also acknowledged that he had tried to persuade Karzai not to run for re-election.

But Bruce Riedel, Middle East expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., says Karzai appointed Rabbani because he had weight and experience and could reassure minorities.

“He was the type of figure if a real negotiation process moved forward, people would say we trust Rabbani – and I think that is why Karzai chose him.”

Even so, it appears Rabbani’s role in the peace process was not very popular in Islamabad. Last month, in an interview with CNN affiliate GEO News, he chided Pakistan for not investing more in the Afghan peace process.

"We feel in Afghanistan that Pakistan still supports the Taliban and several Taliban leaders are living in Pakistan, and Pakistan can encourage them to come to the negotiating table," Rabbani said. “Allowing the Afghan opposition to live in the country is against the spirit of bilateral friendship,” he said.

Rabbani also made it clear he was intent on attracting moderate Taliban to the peace process. "Some others oppose, and can harm, the peace process," he said. That echoes what he told the U.S. ambassador in Kabul at the end of 2008, according to a diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks, when he urged the incoming Obama administration to “require those seeking to reconcile to break off relations with al Qaeda and Pakistan-based sources of support."

Little surprise then that at least among Taliban hardliners he remained the enemy rather than the peacemaker.

How any peace process will be affected by his death is as yet unclear.

“It’s a very serious setback for anyone that was hoping for a peace process," says Riedel of Brookings. "There has always been a huge debate about whether the Taliban was interested in reconciliation, I think we got the answer [today].”

Riedel says the Peace Council had trouble finding anyone to negotiate with. “It has been trying to see if it can find a Taliban that wants to talk to it and there’s been a lot of talks about talks but there hasn’t been much real practical negotiations. We have now seen that there are very powerful forces that don’t want that reconciliation process to go forward.”

Shukla agrees. The High Council “hadn’t really made significant process in the past year. It was a move seen as partly symbolic,” he says. “But it was important in that the government needed an official council that was representative of different minority groups and could be a unified message to insurgents from the government.”

Those minorities are already nervous about being marginalized. “Putting a respected and experienced political figure who was a minority into that position was in part to assuage the fears of a lot of minorities,” Shukla says. Now that figure is gone.

“It will be very hard to find a figure of comparable character that reassures Tajiks and Uzbeks that reconciliation is not a sell-out of their interests,” says Riedel.


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    Those who believe the Afghanistan conflict is exactly the same a Vietnam would be advised to read the foundation text and at the same time reflect on history since the seventh century as well as the fact – lines drawn in the sand to define boarders – mean less and less.

    September 28, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Reply
  11. rightospeak

    Assasinations are strange things-no one really knows who is behind them , like Aldo Morro's death in Italy. it was not what people thought. Why are we still in Afganistan, Iraq, now Lybia ???More warmongering, not enough VietNams ?

    September 28, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  12. Paul

    It's Vietnam all over again. Before you knee-jerk discount my opinion, consider the similarities: We have 1/2 of our military fighting in a country we have no business being in, trying to "fix" something we cannot ever fix, and fighting a foe we cannot begin to understand. US soldiers continue to die, and for what?

    I have to think there is some hidden reason we are there and I wish if there was the US Government would come clean–it cannot be to convert the Afghani people into good little democratic capitalists that buy TVs, cars and such.

    September 28, 2011 at 7:17 am | Reply
    • Amy

      I agree with you completely. It is so clearly another Vietnam...it seems like we should have learned from our mistakes- particularly those that are so recent.

      September 28, 2011 at 8:10 am | Reply
    • mike proctor

      Paul in answering your question,in reference to why we are still in Afghanistan it mainly because of Pakistan and what types of weaponry that can be used against the United States. You indicated why the US Government come clean with everything that going on over there. This is not the way world works and you should be old enough this and plus to much information get out already where as the American people can not handle it if they knew everything that going on in the world today.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • Charles H.

      Way too many dissimilarities between Vietnam and Afghanistan to do justice to them in a reader comment forum, but here's the main one: no one used Vietnam as a training platform from which to launch terrorist attacks against the United States. If we leave now, we'll be back again whether we like it or not.

      If you want a few more, how about: we are not enforcing any kind of "domino theory," but trying to prevent the reoccurrence of a government friendly to terrorists; we are trying to stabilize a region where the threat of nuclear weapons being used or stolen is very real, not fighting a nationalist in Communist garb; we owe a debt from the 1980s when we walked out the first time, allowing Afghanistan to become a terrorist haven - we had no such debt towards Vietnam in the 1960s. And not entirely altruistically, there are plans for oil and gas pipelines and cross-regional trade links that depend on a stable and peaceful Afghanistan (and Pakistan) to realize their full potential - again, entirely different context from SE Asia in the 1960s.

      Do learn the lessons of history, just make sure they're the right lessons...

      October 3, 2011 at 8:51 am | Reply
  13. markjuliansmith

    Analysis: Afghan assassination means Taliban 'want war, not peace'

    Was there any doubt given their foundation text which is simply reflected against Other as it has since the seventh century.

    Foundation Text = Ethics = Ideas = Motivation = Action For and Against Other.

    When Secular Textual construct of Other = Religious Textual construct of Other = same result.

    Now why is it Humanity allows one construct to remain unchallenged and unsuppressed for the benefit of humanity and the other it justly persecutes relentlessly?

    Plato told us more than a two thousand years ago evil Foundation Text purported to be from the God(s) will lead to evil outcomes. Change the foundation text informing each new generation of evil against Other or the terror continues – it has always been that simple – be it secular or religious text.

    Why should humanity have to put up with Permanent Terror when we can and must for our own protection force change to evil Foundation text and thereby have peace and security?

    September 27, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  14. C.Cantu

    Around the world Muslim terrorists always have similar answers to their violence, hatred, resentment and discrimination. It does not matter if it is India, the Philipines, Russia, England, Spain, etc. they always find a justification for any killings, mass assassinations, punishments, atrocities, etc. The main culprit is Islam and Muslim clerics are the perpetrators, they are the main instigators of this violence, justifying brutal actions and transforming people into irrational beasts.

    September 26, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • Amy

      You say that the main culprit is Islam- but ANY terrorist, be them fundamentally Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc. operates by the same token. Also cults. Any religion can be altered and warped into something that creates brainwashed, "irrational beasts" as you say. I agree with you- but not that it is always Islam. There are plenty of real Muslims who despise the actions of those terrorists that call themselves Muslims. Just as there are Christians that despise the actions of terrorists claiming to be Christian (for the record, I am one of those).

      September 27, 2011 at 8:35 am | Reply
      • Keith

        "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush." Sura 9:5 (Koran) There is no need to twist that.

        October 2, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
  15. KRM1007

    WHAT IS AMERICA’s STRATEGIC AGENDA IN PAKISTAN?

    It just does not make sense the way US Government, Congress and European minions are dealing with the Pakistan people. Is this the way American’s treat their friends and allies….stabbing them in the back? Destabilizing the country? Kicking them in the face in the media? Repeatedly expect them to win wars for USA at their expense? Nickel and diming them? Certainly, these are not values that American citizens relate to or are proud of.

    Furthermore, forgetting the financial aspects, Pakistani’s have lost over 35,000 civilians and over
    5000 army and security personnel in this war on terror!!! Are these sacrifices less important than the lives lost of the Americans and our NATO allies? Something is amiss in this whole equation.

    Additionally, where is the Marshall plan for the region following the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan? Why has not the US Congress talked about war reparations? In other words, what is the American agenda in South Asia? Are the US Government and Congress squaring away with the American people? It certainly does not seem so from its actions.

    In a nutshell, as reported by the media and pundits in US, it does not appear that fighting the few hundred terrorists in Afghanistan by a US /NATO military force of hundreds of thousands seems to be the sole objective….. as common sense would also dictate. So……. which of the following is the real agenda?

    • Countering China’s emergence as a world power that somehow eluded the American policy makers who have finally woken up? Trying to be geographically near them? Setting up military bases in Afghanistan in order to do so?

    • Doing the muscle work for India so as to clean up the region and manage Pakistan in order to tap into the Indian markets as a payback to rejuvenate the American economy (doesn’t this remind one of the British East India Company syndrome?). Is that why we would like Pakistan to take care of elements that are hostile to India but do not want to help Pakistan address the Kashmir issue with India? Boy what a slap on the face did the Indians bestow Americans by disqualifying Boeing et al in bidding from the supply of military planes and turning instead to the European suppliers!!!

    • Promoting USA’s mercenary role globally to Indian, friendly Arabs and Israelis in return for their spying for us in the region against their neighbors, supplying oil and the hope for future markets?

    • As a debtor nation, trying to find some leverage to deal with China as a creditor nation?

    • Trying to neutralize Pakistan’s role as a Chinese ally vis a vis India at the latter’s beckoning?
    I believe the US Government and Congress should make the American people aware of the real goals behinds its forays in South Asia. They are not morons. I also believe that the US Government and Congress should deal with Pakistanis with enhanced understanding and on an even keeled basis providing them more financial, economic, military and political support rather than trying to pull the rug from under them. After all, they are living in a bad neighborhood. Dealing with them squarely would be more beneficial for American interests, immediate, short and long term.

    September 26, 2011 at 10:05 am | Reply
    • Ahuizotl the Aztec Water Monster

      The reason being is that we know for a fact a very, VERY significant cache of assailants reside in Pakistan, and the Pakistan government absolutley refuses to do anything about it, which gives the terrorists in this region virtual immunity from US attack with the exception of UAV strikes. The United States know that attacking this region by itself would cause yet ANOTHER war for the United States, so it has been trying it's absolute hardest to try to get Pakistan on it's side and procure either a joint opperation or a Pakistani led mission on the terrorist strong-hold. However, as I've said, Pakistan refuses to attack this region for one reason or another, and the terrorists there keep their ample hiding place, giving them the ability to cross the border and attack US opperations in Afganistan then retreat back to safety. It has now gotten to the point that the US government is getting fed up Pakistan not attacking this region (while the Pakistani's are getting fed up the US telling it what to do). So, that's why the US is treating Pakistan like this: it's toxic relationship that could very well soon end up not being a relationship at all.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  16. brown

    The Taliban doesn't need a peace agreement with the U.S.

    They intend to boot the U.S. out of Afghanistan and are taking practical steps towards that end.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:04 am | Reply
  17. London G. Welsh

    There will never be peace in that part of the world, there is too much money in illegal activities for the "war" to stop. They have been doing their own thing in those "stan" countries for thousands of years, what makes you think they are going to just stop and change their culture and beliefs for anyone? Please, if that's how they want to live, go right ahead. Just keep your tribal conflicts and religion to yourselves and within your borders. Nobody will bother you ever again.

    September 26, 2011 at 3:37 am | Reply
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    give taliban the hydrogen bomb to land on top of them....bye bye taliban

    September 25, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Reply
    • 2011cnn2011

      cant have talks with animals....just drone all of em...you silly bin ladens

      September 25, 2011 at 5:57 pm | Reply
  19. KRM1007

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    The recent decision of US Government to export Nuclear Technology to third world countries needs to be revisited and reconsidered particularly India and UAE. The Japanese, as technically sophisticated as their scientists and technicians are, were unable to contain the damage. The effects on the population were tremendous not to mention the economic, social, political implications to follow for years to come. If such related accidents were to happen in India (as an example) ,where the workforce is light years behind Japanese sophistication, the negative implications would be thousand fold as more than 3 Billion people reside in the neighborhood!! It would be a disaster to say the least. Besides being in earthquake, tsunami, flood zones, these regions are in the epicenter of terrorism and war zones.

    Notwithstanding that the US government has recently decided to align itself with countries such as UAE and India to repay them for doing our dirty and cleanup work in that region, economic and political reasons……..the Americans strongly oppose the transfer of Nuclear Technology to all such nations for preceding reasons. The Japanese experience has been an eye opener and the take away is that US Congress and government needs to reopen all nuclear export discussions and agreements and rescind assistance on all such programs that threaten humanity at large. We cannot and must not in good conscience support such moribund policies and we expect our politicians to stay ahead of the moral curve in such matters.

    September 25, 2011 at 10:19 am | Reply
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    September 25, 2011 at 9:39 am | Reply
  21. the Prophet Muhamandcheese

    I tell you, my muslim children, to join me in paradise this day by slitting your wrists. We play parchesi all day and at night we f allah's wife. I know you think, "that's not allowed", but it is in paradise. Just like you can't touch a woman on earth, but get 72 virgins in paradise. Allah is one crazy ba stard.

    September 25, 2011 at 1:01 am | Reply
  22. what1ever

    Every country in the world should get together and vote to ban Islam for everyone. The world would be a better place the next day. Islam does nothing to improve the world. Everything about the religion is negative. This is the 21st century we should be past this backward, medieval religion.

    September 24, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Reply
    • Steven

      I think you are right, but let us be fair about this because all religions at sometime have done the samething. Every religion has killed, murdered and tortured innocent people to further their ideas. If you ban one, you have to ban all. This would be best for the whole world. No religion.

      September 25, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  23. InfidelHere

    Their founding terrorist muhammad indicated that is it unlawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except in three cases: Unbelief after belief, adultery after integrity (or being married) and killing a soul without any right. The first case refers to the death penalty of the apostate and the oppression of his freedom and right to embrace any religion other than Islam Those are the clear claims of the Islamic religion as well as of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, who always uttered at the beginning of every prayer or sermon, the following phrase, "In the name of Allah—the Compassionate, the Merciful!"

    What about about individual freedom and human rights! This is their prophet of freedom, mercy, tolerance and human dignity? Has the veil been removed? Is the deception over? Judge for yourself.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:50 am | Reply
    • shab

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      September 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  24. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Dear Friend Shab:

    You said "you can not possibly divide a country unless there are people within tha country who want to be seperate state."

    CHECK THESE OUT:

    Pakistan is today just a confederation of diverse peoples, Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch, Kashmiri, Pakhtoon etc. all loosely held together by their common adherence to Islam. Remove the manipulation of the dominant Punjabis, and by themselves, the Baloch, the Pakhtoons and even Sindhis do not view India as an arch foe. These independent states can in fact act as an effective check on all forms of Punjabi extremism emanating from a fractured Pakistan. The same happened when the erstwhile E.Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was broken away from the Punjabi dominated W.Pakistan with practically no great effort from India.

    There is already a clandestine effort led by the US to do just that!

    Here are some EXCLNT MUST READ LINKS:

    By the Center for Inrernational Policy on what makes Pakistan highly unstable.

    http://www.ciponline.org/asia/reports/pakistan_the_state_of_the_union.pdf

    Here's are some serious charges by Pakistanis themselves against MQM Chief Altaf Hussain on his plan to dismember Pak:

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/09/mqm-spying-on-pakistan/

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMSVYTgFIPA&w=640&h=390]

    US COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS urges India US to prepare for Pak dismemberment:

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/19/india-us-urged-to-prepare-for-worst-case-pakistan-scenarios.html

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uCPx1ed-R4&w=640&h=390]

    September 22, 2011 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • shab

      altaf hussien is a criminal, his supporters and party members are responsible for some of the wordt crimes taken place in pakistan specially karachi in the past 25 years, i wouldnt take his speeches serious.
      since you mentioned pakistan being a collection of different ethnic groups with Islam being the only common thing between them, what about India how many different ethnic groups live in India, there are more than 10 insurgencies in India who want freedom from the Indian government.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
    • shab

      Kashmir can easily be a state on its own, why have India and pakistan divided Kashmir into two pieces when the people of Kashmir want to be independent. i do not agree with your phrase "punjabi extremism" I know Punjabis see India as more of an enemy than the Baloch and Pakhtoon. the fact that you think punjabis are the main problem it shows that you are highlighting Indias problems with Pkistan and not the whole issue of terrorism.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
  25. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Dear Friend Boznon:

    You said: "General Musharraf is not religious zealot at all and is infact westernized and an avid drinker of alcoholic beverages and loves music etc, and so is lots of military top brass."

    Just to add: Mr. Musharaff as I have mentioned in my responses above is as staunchly Anti-American. Pro-Islamist as most Muslims are incl. Mr.Zakaria. What Americans get confused by are their love for western freedoms which is strictly limited ONLY to the extent it benefits them....making money, opportunities etc.

    PLEASE also read about the CONCEPTS of Muslim UMMAH and TAQIYYA which ENCOURAGES & EMPOWERS Muslims to DO ANTHING POSSIBLE (even if taht goes against Muslim practices & principles) to FURTHER THE MUSLIM CAUSE!

    And, here's a response I wrote sometime back which fits in well here (make sure to check out the video on IMRAN KHAN, a true eye opener):

    Muslims (Like Mr. ZAKARIA) forget that Americans can't be fooled by SELF-STYLED MUSLIM MODERATES JUST B'COZ they are clean shaven, western/convent educated, (notionally!) condemn Islamic Terror (but in the same breath dilute it with US actions!), boast of having large # of non-Muslim friends, watch Hollywood movies, wear western attire, date, dance, even occasionally drink, and don't force their women to wear the Burqa, or beat them, and love westren freeodms (ONLY to the extent of making money, the opportunities etc.).

    None of that changes the fact that they believe in MONOTHEISM, SUPREMACY OF ISLAM over all other religions, dilute Muslim terror with US & western actions all over the world or complain against discrimination (some real & most perceived), deny the existence of hateful verses in their Koran or dilute them by pointing to other compassionate verses knowing fully well those are EXPLICITLY made null & void as applied to Non-believers, or even diverting attention by referencing intolerant preachings in holy texts of other religions knowing fully well OTHERS DON’T LIVE BY THEM!!!). etc.

    Check out this video from Mr. Imran Khan one of Pakistan’s leading, politicians with a huge support base among the educated, urban, and “so-called Moderate Pakistanis”. A careful review of his message shows that Mr. Khan (and his Pakistani elite) inspite of being modern in his outlook, articulate, western educated, formerly married to a Christian British women etc. is “in reality” no more different from the Islamic radicals he purportedly opposes (just the way Mr. Zakaria does)!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9fW9jPnjgE&w=640&h=390]

    September 22, 2011 at 9:54 am | Reply
  26. 3v0

    and yeah typical muslim,how is it our fault,people keep saying that all the issues in the middle east are caused by the US but no one has managed a feasible reason why,well im taking my toys and going home,and its all your fault,adolf hitler killing 6 million jews was the fault of the muslims in the middle east,there,now i have added a baseless uneducated opinion to the pool,i feel so accomplished right now,lol

    September 22, 2011 at 8:13 am | Reply
  27. 3v0

    whenever i meet a religious man,i feel the need to wash my hands,and thats of anu relgion,they have all,ALL,commited crimes against mankind,when the christians took jerusalem the first time from the muslims,they killed everyone in the city,the muslims did not return the favor when they took it back,but later,they did,the jews continuously fire missles into palestine,because the palestinians got pissed when the jews forced them out of thier homes,the crimes of men through out history have been driven by religion,even hilter had a "religious" reason for what he did,granted the christians have progressed beyond the senseless killing over the past millenium,but there was a time when all religions acted EXACTLY like what we now condemn,i personally thank whatever god is god,that we have brave strong americans who are willing to go and do what the rest of the world is afraid to do,look at the problems in lybia,iran,hell all over the middle east,there are people dying for peaceful protests against the islamic law that the govt enforces,they are becoming educated and enlightened and the unwashed,uneducated religious fanatics are resorting to the only viable tactic,that that they know, fear,the problems in the middle east are not the united states fault,they are the fault of the people that live there,day to day,it is however,our responsiblilty to defend those that cant defend themselves,so your welcome,theres a storm coming in the M.E. and it will be carried on the shoulders of the people of those countries,and defended by the righteous wrath of the us military,the people want a good life,not what theyve been given,so get your head out of your asses,cuz our boots dont leave that sand till the job is done,there will be peace,even if we have to kill everyone to get it.

    September 22, 2011 at 8:05 am | Reply
  28. pash

    Ok first of all no offense but you americans don't know Shit. Sorry. That's why all the big business figures and smart people are foreigners in this country. And second why would the taliban kill someone they are negotiating with? Huh? They havent even confirmed the assassination. He was killed by his own minority because they hate all the pashtuns and they didn't want him negotiating. I love this country but I hate the people in charge. There puppets. Mainly of jews and israel.

    September 22, 2011 at 3:25 am | Reply
    • Fred Phred

      "mainly of Jews and Israel".

      Yeah once I read that I knew you were a kook. It's not your fault, you were brainwashed like the Hitler youth.

      September 22, 2011 at 7:47 am | Reply
      • pash

        Fred im not a paki. Im from somewhere you guys ain't winning. Ha!

        September 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • Mohammed pork

      @Fred, yep hes a typical muslim. "Just blame the Jews"

      September 22, 2011 at 7:56 am | Reply
      • Fred Phred

        @mpork – right on. These are the same delusional people that think 9/11 was done by the Jews and the American Gov't. The same disfunctional gov't that can't pass a bill without a huge debate but clearly capable of a mass conspiracy of epic proportions. It it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it's a duck. But somehow these people – they know more than all of us sheep. They can see the REAL conspiracy that us idiots don't pick up on. And it's always a Paki fool.

        September 22, 2011 at 10:07 am |
      • Fred Phred

        And while I'm ranting.. I love how they all use the Palestine argument as the basis for their violence. Look, you decided to attack Isreal on several occasions and you lost land when they beat you down. Yes, it sucks but that's the gamble you take when you declare war on a neighbor. Then of course 40 years later you still want the land back that you lost as part of your foolish decisions.

        Look, I don't hear Mexico complaining that they want Texas and parts of California back. They fought a battle, they lost and they have moved on..

        There's a lesson there somewhere, my Paki friend.

        September 22, 2011 at 10:19 am |
  29. dan sichel

    well what do you know? war? really? the Taliban? the religion of peace? who knew? morons anybody with half a brain knew this years ago. they are thugs nd killers.

    September 22, 2011 at 2:23 am | Reply
  30. Moses

    So the president the Taliban forced out was leading the reconciliation process. Talk about doomed from the gate. From the Taliban's perspective, why would they want to deal with him to begin with? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    September 22, 2011 at 1:59 am | Reply
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    September 22, 2011 at 1:12 am | Reply
  32. gay boy

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    September 22, 2011 at 12:38 am | Reply
  33. Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

    What doesTaliban want ? They want to spread Islamic Jihad virus using Saudi Petro dollar. Plain and simple.

    September 21, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • gay boy

      And dont leave out they are a cult who wants to murder all gay boys and girls. Muslims in middle east kill ALL gay people period, dont believe it?? then go to their muslim countries and act gay, THEY WILL MURDER YOU, THEY ARE INTOLERANT BARBARIANS, THE NATZI's KILLED ALL GAYS AND JEWS TOO.

      September 21, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Reply
      • Joshuway

        Actually, having been to several Muslim countries, I can definitvely say that these dudes bugger the hell out of each other. Constantly. Because having sex with a dude is more acceptable than extra-marital sex with a woman in their eyes. To each his own, I guess, right? Anyway, I would imagine that because of this cultural value, they don't execute every single gay dude they run across, since chances are the men in power have buggered their fair share of 13 boys, too. And when it comes to "acting" gay: you really can't tell over there just by the way a guy dresses or acts. They hold hands all the time, and if dressing in retro-80's kitsch is a clue to homosexuality, then there would never be a child born over here because they all dress that way because we embargoed most of their countries 20 years ago.

        September 22, 2011 at 2:50 am |
      • ranger 830

        @ GayBoy Would you like to see the twofaced culture that is the muslim world? Look up Bacha Bazi Boys on google.
        I dont think the muslims want to kill all homosexuals,after looking up bacha bazi tell me what you think.

        September 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
  34. laila

    It was the work of Al quida and Pakistan...they don't want peace in Afghanistan and this has been obvious for a long time.

    September 21, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Reply
    • 2011cnn2011

      they are all animals, and animals cant reason

      September 22, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Reply
  35. canada

    never ever trust a muslim

    September 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Reply
  36. Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

    What do you get when you cross between Paki and male goat ??? (a) Bakro Chod Paki (b) Paki Chod Bakro

    September 21, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Reply
    • Mikaa

      How will you judge an Indian and a Cow. Indian chod na cow their gao matta

      September 23, 2011 at 3:58 am | Reply
  37. Jimmy russell

    What does the taliban want? They want what king james had. Political power to kill anyone who says the world is not flat. Burn them for witchcraft if they expose political lies. Osama sedemed prety comfortable in pakistan but did not show his face much which informs me that there are some there who truely seek peace and good will

    September 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Reply
  38. Eli

    must be war season again.

    September 21, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Reply
  39. Common123

    We need to communicate with the Afghans and Taliban and acknowledge our past mistakes inside Afghanistan. We need to try and show the Afghan people we are sorry for reducing funding after the Soviets pulled out. Afghanistan was a beautiful place in the 70's. Kabul was no different than Paris, New York City, and London. Women didn't have to cover up, they attended college, and there were a lot of women in the Government. We didn't waste money, but we only are trying to fix our prior mistakes. We need to continue to rewrite non-extreme textbooks for the children. We must start teaching them how to build roads, grow new crops, construct an infrastructure, and most of all show them their Freedom is worth the long fight they are / will endure. The World has shown some Afghan people that no cares and don't want to fix our mistakes. This makes the people turn the smaller groups which created the Taliban. We need to show the Afghanistan people we do care and have a long term interest post Taliban and Al Qaeda. We have to start somewhere for the process of reconciliation for it to begin. The last 40 years have shown the Afghans are resilient and want to build a greater soceity.

    September 21, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Common123

      We allowed the Soviets to engage in a war that lasted a decade. Killed Millions of Afghans. We indirectly funded the rebel fighters. And after the war we left them high and dry. We reduced funding to nearly nothing. We've only engaged in Afghanistan affairs when they directly tie to the advancement of America. We need to re-think our past actions and change them so our future actions will benefit not only America but Afghanistan. Afghanistan before the Soviet invasion was turning towards Christianity. They were becoming "westernized."

      September 21, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Reply
      • boznon

        What you say makes sense.Mainstream muslim clergy from Al-Azhar University Cairo, to Imam Kaaba Saudi Arabia to Iranian Ayatollahs to Grand Muftis in Pakistan have denounced taliban suicide bombers and terrorists.talibanization is an aberration in islam foisted by CIA and ISI jointly on hapless pakistanis and afghanis and moderate moslems

        September 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • gay boy

      Oh my God, these muslim nuts in their evil countries kill gay people, they are hate mongering brainwashed idiots, we dont owe u crap, u owe us for the attack on 911.

      September 21, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Reply
    • Joshuway

      Then why don't they do it their own-damn-selves?

      September 22, 2011 at 2:53 am | Reply
  40. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    ONLY SOLUTION TO THE AF-PAK QUAGMIRE

    a) DIVIDE PAK

    b) SEIZE ISLAMIC BOMB

    c) LIMIT THEIR DISAPORA IN THE WEST.

    Short of that this war will NEVER end, and our EXISTENTIAL threat will NEVER go away!

    September 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Reply
    • boznon

      Existential threat would be there if taliban get hands on nukes?With strong military would they get hands on nukes?if so weakening paki State not a 'solution'.If existential threat is from not taliban getting nukes but with pak army proliferating nukes to iran etc thats a different issue.assuming pak army proliferates nukes to iran and n.korea etc would that be an existential threat?hmm i dont think so as nukes are deterrants.only USA has used em so far.and hopefully it wont again.nukes only will change balance of power in the world slightly as main balance of power depends on economic strength.

      September 21, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • shab

      Amit-Atlanta-USA:

      who is goin to divide the nations, as an indian you might think America can do anything but its not as simple, you can not possibly divide a country unless there are people within tha country who want to be seperate state. It is clear that you hate pakistan or pakistanis for personal reasons.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Reply
      • Amit-Atlanta-USA

        Dear Friend Shab:

        Check my response above!

        September 22, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • shab

      I live in England, most english ppl are concerned about Indian ppls increasing DIASPORA to UK.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Reply
  41. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Pak

    September 21, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  42. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Boznon:

    Actually your points are surely very valid. What I can tell you is every single person in India (Non-Muslims) and Afghanistan know everything about the Pakistani story of deception.

    Having said that, to answer your questions:

    a) why taliban attacks pakistani people and military/govt. installations?

    As Pakistanis themselves have said many times before they will go after ONLY those terrorists who attack the Pakistani state. And all this started ONLY after these local terrorists were butchered by Musharaff in the LAL MASJID episode seeing a threat to the Pakistani state. That was the beginning.

    b) So atleast that component of 'Taliban' which does suicide bombings in Pakistan is not in Pakistan’s control and is may be funded by enemies of pakistan? India/usa?

    Yes, I agree they are NOT in Pakistani control. But India or US will never fund them, only b'coz they are bitter enemies of both, and have been attacking them too. Also, my former homeland India is a SPINELESS nation b'coz of the docile Hindu self defeatist mentality!

    c) On taking out Pak nukes:
    When Pak developed it, they proudly called it the ISLAMIC BOMB, with the stated goal of using against America, Europe, Israel and India (in that order!). So, it’s much less a threat to India than America. And, nobody is afraid of India's bomb, NOT even Pakistan. They know India is a responsible country and India is the ONLY Nuclear power ever to say that they will NEVER use it against a non-Nuclear power, and also will NEVER be the first to use it even against a Nuclear power like Pak.
    So India’s Nuclear arsenal is merely as a deterrence against China.

    d) Finally, Pakistan sees all the Terrorist action within its borders etc TO ITS OWN ADVANTAGE TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS VICTIMS OF TERROR & GLEEN MORE AID!

    Innocent Pakistanis killed in the process are paid COMPENSATION, PROCLAIMED as MARTYR's or just treated as COLLATERAL DAMAGE! Nobody other than the family members are bothered about them. Even as Pakistani politicians scream their lungs out against drone strikes, we NEVER hear anything beyond a routine timid condemnation ONLY from those in power and NONE from the opposition!

    Pakistan is using their Nuclear status, the terrorist killings inside ONLY TO SCARE THE US about the potential for their NUCLEAR ARSENAL FALLING INTO TERRORISTS HANDS and GLEEN MORE AID!

    That’s the story of Pak and they will never deviate from that!

    September 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Reply
    • boznon

      quite a detailed reply! 🙂 but are you saying fear of taliban getting hands on nukes is just a bogey created by paki army?then does that mean there is no actual existential threat to the world from taliban getting hands on nukes?or are you saying double game of paki army will get out of hands and taliban will get nukes?

      September 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Reply
      • Amit-Atlanta-USA

        Boznon:

        Pakistan army is the 4th most powerful in the world, and thanks to billions in US aid, and the fact that they spend 7 times more on defence than on education, they are far better equipped than the larger Indian army.

        Former President Musharaff boasted in a lecture at Columbia University that he had become an expert in TIGHT ROPE WALKING to stay on in power, saying one thing to the Americans and something else to his home crowd, just to satisfy them both. He said that there was absolutely not even an outside chance of the Taliban taking over his country and that the Pakistan army was just too powerful, and they could annihilate them in a matter of days if they wanted to.
        He has also said very correctly that Pakistan was NOT the least scared of India, and rather it was India that was scared of Pakistan.

        So, Pakistanis use any jargon that is right for the situation incl. scare tactics of WMDs falling in Taliban hands, fear of India, unresolved Kashmir issue etc. ONLY as a ploy to keep the American grapevine ripe and use the aid to PURSUE THEIR SINGLE MINDED GLOBAL JIHADIST AGENDA.

        Also nobody ever questions how this group of Madarasa educated foot soldiers have the wherewithal to explode dirty bombs, or carry out the kind of sophisticated attacks as 9/11, 26/11, 7/7. For reasons bets known to the CIA, FBI they have tried to downplay the direct hand of the Pakistani govt and ISI in all these plots inspite of tons of evidence (e.g. the fact that Khalid Sheik Mohammed wired $100K to Mohammed Atta days before 9/11, money given to him by the then ISI chief, or the fact that the ISI chief arrived unannounced in NYC 2 days prior to 9/11 and left on 9/11!)

        As many highly reputed Pakistanis such as Pervez Hoodbhoy (leading Nuclear Scientist & Fullbright Scholar) and some of Pakistan’s best known columnists for their #1 daily The Dawn – incl. Kamran Shafi, I A Rehman, Nadeem Paracha, Irfan Husain, Cyril Alemida, Ardeshir Cowasjee, etc. have said often times, Pakistan views the US as a greater enemy than even India! These people have been fighting a valiant battle to change the Pakistani mindset to get their country back on its heels. Every word they say/write is worth its weight in gold whether on Islam in Pakistan, misuse of religious freedoms by Muslims in America or the Pakistani Govt/Military/ISI's Jihadist designs for the world.

        Just read through the headlines from these Pakistani gems, and you will know what they are talking about:
        http://public.dawn.com/opinion

        So, in short the Pakistani hatred for America, India, Israel, Europe has nothing to do with Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Kashmir but has everything to do with their religion. Even right here in America several Islamic apologists like my own former countryman CNN’s Mr. FAREED ZAKARIA are using these very same bogeys albeit in the garb of religious freedoms, human rights, economic disparities etc., TAKING NAÏVE/GULLIBLE AMERICANS on an endless GUILT TRIP, to win undue advantages for Muslims right here in America and their brethern all over the world.

        So as we are by now well aware NOTHING EVER CAN DETER THE PAKISTANIS AND THEIR RELIGIOUS SUPPORTERS RIGHT HERE FROM THEIR SUICIDAL PATH!

        September 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
      • Amit-Atlanta-USA

        Bosnon:

        Let me answer the question of terrorists getting hold of Pakistani Nuclear weapons.

        I don't think it's possible, UNLESS the top generals in teh army, or the Pakistani Govt themselves give it to them. Given that Pakistan's Jihadist agenda flows down from the top it's a very real possibility that they will give WMDs (at least to make low impact dirty bombs) to these Jihadists and PRETEND a security failure on their part!

        September 21, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
      • Amit-Atlanta-USA

        As US Ambassador to Pakistan Teresita C. Schaffer said PAKISTANIS have evolved a very highly successful method of turning the tables on America on anything & everything including their failures such as the OBL debacle.

        Likewise right here in America people like Mr. ZAKARIA have evolved a highly effective, dubious method of sugarcoating their message for the consumption of gullible Americans. They do this by stating the obvious to capture gullible minds, and then through a systematic effort of half truths, cherry picked facts, reliance on baised or other studies from reputed sources with narrow definitions bolster their arguments, all in an effort to make Islam palatble to Americans.

        But the frightening prospect is that several of them incl. Mr. Zakaria, Rashad Hassan (US Ambassador to the OIC), Imam Rauf (US goodwill Ambassador o the ME) are external & internal advisors to naive President Obama, taking him down a rosy path!

        September 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
      • boznon

        Amit:
        You seem confused.Are you saying Pakistan military(and not taliban) has a global jihadist agenda?For that you have to prove that Paki military is in control of religious zealots.Thats patently untrue.e.g General Musharraf is not religious zealot at all and is infact westernized and an avid drinker of alcoholic beverages and loves music etc, and so is lots of military top brass.So what makes more sense is that it is alqaeda that had global jihadist agenda whereas agendas of taliban ISI and CIA are more nationalistic.So battle in afghanistan seems to have least to do with alqaeda and global jihadist agenda(thats most likely just a coverup to scare common people in the west and elsewhere that they face an existential issue).That battle has all to do with Pakistan's concern to have a government in Afghanistan that isnt pro-Indian and pro-American which Pakistan perceives would be a threat as anti-Pakistan government there could among other things be used as a base by forces(American,Indian,Israelis)that want to take Paki nukes out.Pakistani nuke technology IF shared with Iran would mean that muslim countries would have a deterrent which they MIGHT use to better negotiate palestinian and kashmir issue with india/usa/israel.Taliban factions are seemingly being used as a weapon by both CIA and ISI to fight out for these perceived interests.Ofcourse as in the past these taliban might get out of hand and bite both ISI and CIA.So a better solution might lie in assuring Pakistan (how is the big question)that Afghanistan would not be used against Pakistan and in return demanding that Pakistan end support to taliban operating in pakistan.

        September 22, 2011 at 6:33 am |
      • boznon

        I might add that Pakistan is highly unlikely to share nukes with Iran as Pakistan is a sunni muslim state and Iran is a shia state.So if at all , it would be likely to share nukes with Saudis that cannot be in interests of many countries not because of any global jihadist agenda but because of issues related to oil and palestine.

        September 22, 2011 at 6:46 am |
    • shab

      Bonzon I appreciate the time and effort that put in writing these essays, it seems to me as if you are an Indian who is trying to discredit Pakistan. You have no interest in US, Taliban, Afghanistan and more importantly you comments are irrelevant to this article.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Reply
      • boznon

        you are mistaken on both counts

        September 22, 2011 at 6:48 am |
  43. J Man

    Many of you are exactly right in your answers to this 10yr war. I would suggest bring all the troops home, cut off all foreign aid to everyone everywhere and tuse that money here at home. Then you can go ahead and give these countries who harbor terrorists fair warning that the nukes are on their way. They would do the same to us given the chance.

    September 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  44. HockeyMinny

    The Taliban just want to be on the season finale of "Jersey Shore"

    September 21, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Reply
  45. samuel

    Does anybody think Pakistan want's peace in that area? Peace means world and US handouts to them will be over, and that's not for the best interest of the Pakistani Thieves,

    September 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Reply
    • Calvin

      The problem is that the average man on the street in Pakistan is with the Taliban. They are bound together by religion at any cost. More secular minds within the government are up against the agitated religious masses. The problem is that the Taliban and Al-Quada operatives within Pakistan couldn't care less who someones loyalties are to when they march a suicide bomber through a crowded market. Collateral damage is their trademark! The world has not budged an inch during all of these spectacular homicidal attacks, yet they keep up this exercise in futility. One can only surmise that they have a real taste for blood.

      September 21, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Reply
  46. Brian

    Never seen so many ignorant comments. Muslims don't want to spread Sharia law throughout the world. They don't want to destroy us for our freedom. Simple fact remains that historically, US foreign policy in the Middle East is very anti-Muslim. US remains stauch allies with Israel,ergo, we are enemies with most of the Muslim world. Their beef has carried over hundreds and hundreds of years. We can still support Israel and physically not be in the Middle East. Israel imperialism hasn't exactly made it any easier on anyone. So let Israel fight their own battle.

    September 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Reply
    • casi

      Palestinian intifadas have been so helpful in the peace process. They know that democracies like Israel don't bend to terrorism, but they blew up Israeli civilians anyway. Must just be a thirst for blood.

      September 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Reply
    • Common sense

      I see that the Taliban has their own issues with foreign policy. They were the benefactors of Al-Quada. They were state sponsors of terrorists and terrorist activities and they used Islam as the springboard for their hate. Why would they facilitate Al-Quada in plotting against the United States. The United States helped end their war with Russia.

      September 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
      • Big Bob

        Because of Islam! They go after everyone eventually. They have a saying in the Mid east. "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people. What do you think they mean when they say that?

        September 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Ted

      The United States of America is the biggest donor state to Palestinian territories, Egypt and Pakistan. How is that anti-Muslim?

      September 21, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Reply
      • shab

        United States of America saw the then Shah (dictator) or Iran as their closest ally, but since the shah was over thrown America has declared Iran as their enemy number 1. America claims to promote democracy around the world, where as most of dectators who run muslim countries are their close friends, well there has been a decline in the number those freinds since the start of arab spring. The US would not allow Palestine to exist as a country on the map. The US has killed more than 5 million muslims around the world in the past decade, that is more than the number of Jewish people doed during WWII.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Calvin

      Muslims in general probably don't want to spread Sharia law throughout the globe, but in case you haven't been paying attention in the last 15 years, there are a large number of Muslims hell bent on destroying democracy from taking root in Afghanistan and Iraq, creating homicidal havoc within Pakistan and around the globe with suicide missions and creating a worldwide public relations campaign aimed at their intent to spread Sharia law throughout the globe via internet or whatever means possible.

      September 21, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Reply
      • Big Bob

        Got new for ya, Calvin! There here in the western world. And as far as moderate muslims go, they're moderate because they wouldn't actually fly planes into buildings, but the support the eventual outcome. Sharia for all!

        September 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • davetharave

      Agreed, if Palestinians get their state many problems would be solved.

      September 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Reply
      • Davin

        They would then have access to international courts. They are desperately looking for a court to run to when they fire indiscriminate rockets into Israeli neighborhoods and the Israelis fire back.

        September 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
      • shab

        Davin:
        The amount of Palestinian land that Israel has accupied makes it imppossible for Palestianians to launch those tiny rockets on to real Israeli land, even if a rocket is launcjed from Gaza to Israel in ends up in the territory that was part of Palestine before 1967

        September 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Brian (a more informed one)

      We agree that Israel should fight their own battles but they do it through Jewish donations to politicians in the US. Note the GOP response to Obama's threat to veto a Palestinian homeland at the UN. One wonders now how accurate Mel Gibson's drunken rages against Jews might actually be. Ironically, the Nazis' choice of persecuting Jews in the 1930's and the Taliban, et al's, choice of attacking America in this century were both done to unite and expand their respective power and influence. Now how did we win WW II? Unconditional surrender or suffer total war.

      September 21, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Reply
      • Elizabeth

        Speaking of drunken rages!

        September 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
      • Sandman

        Brian, the kind of bombing we did in WW2 is no longer a legal form of fighting. That is why we have smart bombs. All the good stuff can not longer be used. Napalm has been removed from the arsenal. There is a move to remove cluster weapons. Carpet bombing cities is no longer done. Now think if you were on the receiving end of Viet Nam era B-52s dropping 750 pound bombs and clusters. Where they would drop would look like the moon. It would turn any city into a junk yard. If we ever started that again either someone would complain or who we are dropping on would quit real fast. Heck a drone strike would feel like a vacation after a B-52 raid of the size we used to do in WW2.

        September 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • Big Bob

      Do you know what Imperialism is? Seems to me, that they haven't expanded much since the wars they won after being attacked. And remember, it was Muslims who attacked the US and others which started the Barbary war. Give the whole history, not cherry-pick with your anti-Israel agenda.

      September 21, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Reply
      • Elizabeth

        They also started the 6 day war with Israel in 1967. They ganged up on Israel and lost big time. They were the aggressors and they lost land because of this misplaced aggression. Israel should never give up that land. The Arabs placed a bet and lost.

        September 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
      • shab

        lol @ they started it first, you are talking all that rubbish that you have been fed the Biased Morduch media empire, go do some real research, Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent before the drama of 1st gul war was started by the US, oh and by the way the USA supported Saddam Hussien in the first Gulf war.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • JoSteed

      Brian, are you an educated person?

      September 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • Grushenka

      Great comment. *All* terrorists have specific goals in mind, whether they are "reasonable" or "achievable" is another thing entirely. This "they want to destroy our way of life" argument harms no one but ourselves. And, it makes it more difficult to keep ourselves safe, because we are failing to see what the threat really is.

      September 21, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Reply
  47. neutron

    yes nuke pakistan. rebuild neutron bombs and unleashed them in pakistan.
    Fallout will not be so bad compared to normal ones.Let Pakistan know you are either with us or against us.

    September 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  48. KaraOK

    The Taliban want what other Mohammadans want: "Slay the unbeliever wherever you find them" (9:2)

    September 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Reply
    • Jessica

      It is naive beyond pale to expect this religiously entrenched Taliban organization to bend their ideas in any tangible way. When faced with everlasting life or peace with non-believers or believers with western ideas of democracy, they will choose the supernatural and the metaphysical each time. You need only look at the entrenched religious beliefs of American Christians to understand the rigidity that rules their every being.

      September 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  49. KRM1007

    In a few years the Taliban headquarters will be in New Delhi with Mulah Umer residing in Taj Mahal. That is what it means.

    September 21, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Reply
    • SKS_US

      I hope you know New Delhi is in India not in Pakistan and Taliban is Pakistan based group.

      September 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Reply
  50. Dave

    Dust to dust and ashes to ashes. I say leave these people alone and let the horrid of hundred year old fighting complete its mission, then turn the place into glass. If they want real war people better set back and remember the horrid s of WWII. Real war is not running around in a town playing nice not to offend anyone. Real war is total destruction of ones opponent.

    September 21, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • Fig1024

      I don't think the neighboring countries would be happy with the nuclear fallout that would spread from Afghanistan. Especially Pakistan, and they have nukes too

      September 21, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Reply
      • Jimbo

        I totally agree with you simple and straightfoward conclusion. Pull out US involvement and let them kill each other out. The world is full of unwanted human beings. If they can not govern themselve and get along with each other, who cares if they destroy each other. This applies to Israel and Palestanians.

        September 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
  51. Scooter

    These people have been killing each other for hundreds of years. The only thing that interupts their killing of each other is when some other country comes in and they can fight them for awhile, at least until the new ememy gets its nose bloody and goes home. You can't change it. It's like hoping Michele Bachman won't say something stupid in the future.

    September 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
  52. Gh0st

    Just a general question and I really want all of your opinions what is it gonna take to actually wake peple up to our situation? Is gas gonna have to hit $6 a gallon, what about the price of groceries. When famlies are struggling here in america like those in any other third world countries when do we say enough. We are already on the verge of collapse and the government is treating this like a joke. We have families in dire need of help and do nothing to help them but told we have a plan to fix it but we are waiting on congress/senate... why? Am I the only person who sees a problem here get these crooks out of office they only put our hard earned dollars ( which by the way doesn't have that much value in the world market) in their own pocket history has a way of repeatin itself when all hell breaks loose here its gonna be nasty dare I say another civil war this is looking at things in the most negative way possiable and I could be flat out wrong I sure as hell hope that I'm wrong but we are seeing the signs world wide that the people in power have absolutely no idea on how to get us out of this crisis. Come on people we can't be quiet anymore and content with the b.s. they feed us we need solutions not empty promises. Thoughts.....

    September 21, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • ValentineW

      I think you have an inability to focus on the issue at hand. This is an article about Afghanistan and you are rambling on about something else.

      Post somewhere relevant.

      September 21, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Reply
  53. Johnna

    People, people.......This can all be solved easily by nuking Pakistan as they are the breeders of terrorists in the world today!

    September 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Reply
  54. Taylor

    Why are we even looking for a peace process with these People. We Just need to keep killing them until Their all dead or give up.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Reply
    • shab

      you share Taliban's ideology, you will make a perfect recruit for them email them your contacts

      September 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
      • Frank

        He doesnt sound like a Moslem to me

        September 21, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
  55. Frank

    What a facile conclusion. They don't want war, they want absolute victory on their own terms.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Reply
  56. Doug

    Nuke Pakistan!

    September 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  57. Jim in PA

    This is really easy. Just let the Taliban come out of hiding and regain power, then start assassinating them.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  58. Your Next Black US President

    As your next black united states president,I promise that I will try to move all the afgan people that want change to a safehaven,all will enter nude n go through body scanners and metal detectors because I don't trust the sneaky little bastards. But that not important,after all safe entries has been made,the taliban I will unleash the hell that you all desire! I will have planes drop fuel in a full circle around you 8 miles wide all the way around til the circle is complete,and then I'll summon the US military forces to drop bombs continously for a month,killing the taliban like the roaches they are! I need your vote 2012

    September 21, 2011 at 11:53 am | Reply
    • Ken

      Now there is a novel idea. I don't care if you are black, brown or white.. You got my vote! LOL

      September 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Reply
    • shab

      i wud think twice before giving you my vote in case you are a theive and you steal things from white house

      September 21, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  59. Gh0st

    Can we just obliterate that country already? Hiroshima ring any bells for fucks sake beat them into submission we will be terriorsts in the worlds eyes but these people aren't going to change and its about time they are beat into submission maybe then we can get out of this pointless ten year war. Its what should've been donein the first place

    September 21, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
    • Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

      Problem is Peral Harbor = Hiroshima + Nagsaki. 911 = $ 20 Billion to Paki + More $ in pipeline

      September 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  60. RAWoD

    Global theocracy is their desire. Sad part is that there are so many who believe in the fairy tales of the 12th century that they may increase the size of their anoyance. Thats all. They are like the misquito buzzing your ear. Swat it. Swat it NOW.

    September 21, 2011 at 11:43 am | Reply
  61. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Please Please Please let's be clear here – it's NOT the Taliban that's speaking here, but their PUPPET MASTERS & RING LEADERS – the Pakistani Govt, Military & ISI who is speaking.

    CLEAR & SIMPLE: The Pakistanis kille him b'coz:

    a) Mr. Rabbani was an ethnic Tajik who hate Pakistanis, and are more closely aligned with India, so their goal was to keep India out!

    b) The Pakistani govt. NEVER wants the US to leave Afghanistan ONLY to keep the American grapevine ripe.

    c) It's a ploy to destroy America by continuing to bleed us economically (through these never ending wars), and also continue to kill our brave soldiers – ALL PART OF THE PAKISTANI GLOBAL JIHADIST QUEST!

    So as several events show even though Mr. Rabbani is the highest ranking Afghan to be killed, Pakistan has steadily eliminated everyone who talked peace.

    The US knows it too well, India has told us a billion times.

    So, UNTIL & UNLESS we DIVIDE this Mother of all ISLAMIC TERROR and seize their ISLAMIC BOMB, neither will this war ever end, nor will the EXISTENTIAL THREAT to America, Europe, Israel & India ever go away!

    September 21, 2011 at 11:41 am | Reply
    • Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto aka Goat Lover Spoiled Paki Son

      Hillary, read it and then pass it to Obama.

      September 21, 2011 at 11:54 am | Reply
      • shab

        India is much bigger than in Pakistan in all aspects still it runs to America every pakistan gives it an angry look. India should get some balls and start looking pakistan in the eye.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • boznon

      Hey Amit, can you explain why taliban attacks pakistani people and military/govt. installations?So atleast that component of 'taliban' which does suicide bombings in pakistan is not in pakistan's control and is may be funded by enemies of pakistan?would that include india/usa? and if you want to take out pakistan's nukes would you want peace to be brokered?no you would want to foment greater strife and use that to invade pakistan ,including assassination of rabbani?could be. so why is your hypothesis stronger than what is just posed???

      September 21, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Reply
      • Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

        There is nothing to explain. We Paki are brainless. Violance is in our DNA. We worship religion and people who raped and killed our ancestors. We created Taliban under advise of US and Saudi Petro dollar.Now Ginnie has escaped from the bottle.

        September 21, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
      • NOT MY CHAIR

        lol because if they bomb themselves we are less likely to think it was them

        September 21, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
      • boznon

        Hmm NOT MY CHAIR.Ok so they are bombing themselves to keep suspicion away from themselves and to confuse things.could be. but thats a 'conspiracy theory' and wouldnt it be double standards to reject conspiracy theories related to 9/11 and mumbai bombings etc and accept them for Pakistani govt/military attacking their own installations?dont we need to be consistent?

        September 21, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
      • Amit-Atlanta-USA

        Boznon:

        Your points are very valid.

        Plz. refer to my detailed reply above.

        September 21, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • American

      If US leaves Afganistan then who will also have to leave? That will be India. So why would India want US to leave Afganistan? Pakistan is paying for this was through their economy, blood and everything else that they have. They have been doing this for 32 years.

      September 21, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  62. Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto aka Goat Lover Spoiled Paki Son

    US still does not get it. Asking what Taliban wants ? Just bend over and ask for forgiveness from Paki Mohmad.

    September 21, 2011 at 10:42 am | Reply
  63. Saiditbefore

    Was there ever any doubt? They have never been interested in negotiation. They might pretend to be as a ruse to weaken the enemy, that's it.Remember the old mantra that lefties ignore - Never negotiate with Terrorists!

    September 21, 2011 at 10:13 am | Reply
  64. TigerLily1945

    The Russians couldn't do it, the Americans can't do it..... hell the Afghanist's can't do it......... we need to get of of the country, wall it up and leave them to go back to the stone age.. they were happy there. we can't solve the problems of a people who don't want it no matter how we think we can............ Leave them to their own devices and keep a watchful eye on anyone leaving the country with a one way ticket.......... it is cheaper and does not cost American lives.......

    September 21, 2011 at 10:03 am | Reply
  65. bigmac

    Hey daveincinci, ur saying there has been no violence or wars or terrorism until 10 years ago? Are u an idiot? How long ago was the first bombing of the world trade center? Dumb dumb. What happened to all the tribes that have been fight for thousands of years to control sand and dirt? That never happened? These middle eastern radical have so much sand up there asses that it pisses them off seeing us drive cars with windows down in 70 degree weather. Not camel backing in the dessert with 120 degree weather. Crime in america goes up with the temperature and I'm sure the middle east is the same. These people have been fighting for as long as they've been capable of it and to say otherwise is just stupid.

    September 21, 2011 at 10:00 am | Reply
  66. Brian

    The Taliban (that is the Islamic Fundamentalists fighting the insurgency in Afghanistan whic we label the Taliban) want what all Islamic Extremists want; Shiria Law throughout the world and the genocide of all infidels. Having said that, by being in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Middle-East in general, we foment that position and lend it credibility. The Arab Spring has done more to shake up the Arab World than anything the West has done. I say get out of the Middle-East all together and let the chips fall where they may. If these countries want to do business with us, let our dollars speak. If we don't agree with their human rights record, politics or religious zealotry, then we don't do business with them.

    September 21, 2011 at 9:11 am | Reply
    • Fred Phred

      Brian,

      when we get out of the middle east, (particularly Afghanistan) we give the nutjobs nothing to do. And with nothing to do, they have a lot of time on their hands. And when they have a lot of time to plan, they target places like Lincoln Nebraska and Manchester NH, instead of Herat, Afghanistan.

      So our soldiers are doing us a great service. They protect us by keep the enemy busy. People like Jesse who posted below. They allow us to live our lives, unfortunately at a great sacrifice to themselves.

      I know you want them home safely but leaving Afghanistan at this time would just put us back there in 5 years – after the next plot has been sprung on us back home.

      September 21, 2011 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • heyheyhey

        that's why you fortify your borders and prevent seedy individuals from entering your borders. I know closing up the borders and throwing out illegals is difficult for people to understand but it actually works. Take our troops out of the middle east, send them to the borders and voila, little or none terrorists can get inside the US.

        I'm more concerned with home born terrorists than those from the middle east

        September 21, 2011 at 10:38 am |
      • Fred Phred

        @hey, you're only concerned with homeborn terrorists because our armed forced are keeping the nutcases occupied elsewhere. The second the troops return from Afghanistan, you've introduced a whole new dynamic. Nutcases with lots of free time on their hands. they're no longer worried about bases in Afghanistan to target. And if you think we're able to secure our borders to the extent we need to – you're mistaken.

        September 21, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  67. coder

    vatican taught the taliban very well – as far as religious groups forcing their will go – this action is straight out of the vatican playbook – why is anyone surprised? The taliban are simply imposing their will, no different than any other church or government. The british invaded north america murdered people by the wagon load, and yet america seems shocked at the taliban. You can not trust government, church and or anyone trying to impose their will upon another human.

    September 21, 2011 at 8:25 am | Reply
    • seeker

      I am trying not to resort to a personal attack, but seriously, are you that stupid? No christian church in the world is seeking the physical destruction of other human beings. The church believes all humans have worth and value as they have been made in the very image of God. The church does seek the salvation of others, but not their condemnation. Individuals choose to be condemned by their unbelief. Believers in God yearn to share with others what they have found and pray for their well being, not their destruction. Yes, we often disagree with others, sometimes vocally as when innocent lives are at stake, but we do no violence! The church does sanctions just wars, but seeks peace. War only comes as a last resort to protect the innocent.

      September 21, 2011 at 9:04 am | Reply
      • twappst

        Sounds to me you're the stupid one. Go read a history book other then your bible (which is full of violence and contradictions) and get back to us when you know something

        September 21, 2011 at 9:15 am |
      • sir_ken_g

        You clearly have never been in the Philippines or South America to see the evil the church did there.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:17 am |
      • maurice

        Have you ever read a history book, it is full of examples of Christians killing to impose their religious views on other people. You might have heard of the crusades, the inquisition, thr colonization of Africa and all of the Americas. Here in the U.S.A. we have zealots ready to kill doctors, nurses and clecial workers over their religious views. Get an education before you speak out on a public forum.

        September 21, 2011 at 10:25 am |
  68. Fred Phred

    Some Americans are really stupid. They don't get it.

    We're not in Afghanistan to nation build. We're not there to occupy it. We're there to remind people of what happens when you don't mind your own business. Kick in some doors, make the Taliban have to move around. Be a nuisance. That's all. You mess with us, we'll invade for 10 years and remind you that it's not worth the trouble.

    Stop this garbage about us "not learning from past mistakes" of other Armies. We know this is a barren wasteland, not of any use to anybody but terrorists and drug lords. We use it as a training ground for soldiers.

    If by some lucky chance the Afghan army learns how to defend itself great. If not, we'll just come back and make ourselves the unwelcomed guest that won't leave.

    Quit trying to make it sound like we're trying to run the country. It's a training ground.

    September 21, 2011 at 8:23 am | Reply
    • wins my post of the year award

      may seem obvious to you, but wasn't to me, and make total sense to think of the conflict that way

      September 21, 2011 at 8:38 am | Reply
      • Fred Phred

        You're welcome.

        September 21, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • heyheyhey

      so you like invading a country, destroying your economy, having high unemployment, and over 5k of dead US soldiers? I'm seriously glad that you're not president

      September 21, 2011 at 10:44 am | Reply
      • glad you're not president

        as a former aid volunteer, I have to agree that this nation is hopeless, shouldn't have invaded it in the first place, terrible loss of our valuable country lives, but since we are there I think training ground makes sense, we ain't gonna development this thinking or place

        I hope I am wrong, but it don't seem so

        September 21, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
      • Fred Phred

        @hey, well if we follow your plan we can just surrender to the terrorists. Let them know that no matter what they do to us, we're just doing to turtle. You can start by putting on your turban, and begin learning verses from the koran.

        You're the same kind of people that think the D-Day invasion was wrong because it cost lives. Yes, it was awful. Maybe we should have just dropped flowers on the Germans and tried to have a discussion with them.

        You just don't get, you turtle against the Islamo-facists and you guarentee they'll be back with everything they have. If they smell even a hint of weakness, they think they can force their agenda on you. Muslim fanatics are the new Natzis. The sooner you figure that out the better.

        September 22, 2011 at 7:44 am |
  69. texas oil

    i think that afganistan is invaded by foreigners. people in afganistan dont have food to eat. 70 percent of drugs in the world is from afganistan and logistics are american soldiers. the carriers.

    September 21, 2011 at 7:52 am | Reply
    • VoipOfReason

      70% of the worlds drugs are created in Afgan? ... Like most bloggers, and some reporters on CNN, check your facts before making a fool out of yourself. The only "fact" I can find that has to do with 70%, is that Americans/America, consume 70% of the worlds drugs, Which may stil be alittle far fetched, but, is much more plausable.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:05 am | Reply
    • afghanNotStand

      The solution is to burn Afghanistan down to rubble... I mean what isn't rubble...

      September 21, 2011 at 8:23 am | Reply
  70. George

    They say that the Taliban, when they aren't throwing acid into the faces of little girls trying to go to school, or cutting off the heads of journalists, beating women with sticks or burying them up to the neck in sand and then stoning them to death, or cutting off their noses,well, they are gentle men who like to bake snickerdoodles.

    September 21, 2011 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • Todd

      But aren't snickerdoodles the devil's cookie?

      September 21, 2011 at 10:25 am | Reply
  71. DoseofRealitty

    Of course they want war. HELLLO???? We have been under attack by Muslims for years. We are at war with Muslims! Wake up people! Like 9/11 wasn't enough, what do you people need??!?!?!?!?

    September 21, 2011 at 7:06 am | Reply
    • VoipOfReason

      To say that we're at war with all Muslims is like saying that every Christian likes to rape children. Don't stereotype an entire religion, because of a few people.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:08 am | Reply
      • RichWW2

        Not every christian likes to rape children...just every priest.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:04 am |
  72. Pat

    Instead of learning from the Soviet experience, we chose simply to repeat it....

    September 21, 2011 at 6:23 am | Reply
    • afghanNotStand

      There's $$$$ to be made repeating war.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:24 am | Reply
    • Fred Phred

      Yes Pat,

      We should just forget about 9/11 and hope they never attack us again. Hide in our basements. Maybe we should negotiate with them? We could just surrender?

      I love monday morning quarterbacks.. Soviets? Who are they?

      September 21, 2011 at 10:13 am | Reply
      • heyheyhey

        sorry to inform you, 9/11 was caused by Al queda, another terrorist group. Taliban operates in Afghanistan and only in Afghanistan. If we got out, no more taliban. Voila. I know you stupid americans can't tell them apart but try

        September 21, 2011 at 10:43 am |
      • Fred Phred

        Ha, sorry to inform you.. the Taliban provided safe refuge for terrorists. You want to protect terrorists, then you become one. Don't cry when you don't like the results.

        September 22, 2011 at 10:41 am |
  73. Will

    Since my first visit to the war-torn capital, my mind has been consumed with the cancer that is Taliban extremism. My wife, my friends and even many of my collleagues are only tangentially aware of the despair there that feeds the snake at our feet. If our species is to progress, we MUST do away with the absurd, primitive notions that some unseen deity favors one set of actions/beliefs over some almost-identical set of actions/beliefs.

    September 21, 2011 at 6:01 am | Reply
    • seeker

      Will,
      Is it that difficult for you to see no differece in religions? One seeks to impose its will on the entire planet at any cost even the lives of its own believers, while the other says to love your fellow man as he is made in the image of God and has great value to Him. The ultimate behavior of true believers in both of these faiths is very different. Christians are so because they have a personal relationship with God and choose to obey. Muslims believe and hope that a very impersonal, harsh and unloving unknown will have mercy on them; as there is no love, only obedience and total submission or destruction.

      September 21, 2011 at 9:15 am | Reply
      • mks

        Christians and Muslims believe in the same God and so do Jews. The only difference is that Christians belive Jesus is son of God whereas Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet who have been bestowed with miracles by The God.

        September 21, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  74. Smokey

    Rabbani was a major player in Afghan politics from way back in Soviet times, known as a moderate and a deal-maker. This is a huge blow ,and to have it happen right in Kabul again too, it's not looking good for security there right now. Out of the major mujahedin leaders in the soviet war, it's pretty well down to Dostum, Hekmattyar and Haqqani.

    September 21, 2011 at 1:33 am | Reply
    • Will

      Well said. I see his death as akin to the death of Massoud. Have courage, all Afghans who seek a better future.

      September 21, 2011 at 6:04 am | Reply
    • afghanNotStand

      They need to ban head dresses... duh.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:25 am | Reply
  75. Christianna

    West, don't waste yourselves. You are not young anymore. What have you got after acquiring everything for yourself so hard? A hopelessly polluted planet and worthless-minded kids of your own because you refused to teach them what is good and right. The West needs repentance before the Almighty God.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:38 am | Reply
    • Jesse

      *Christianna. I have been to Afghanistan a few times now, and I can legitimately say, that American children are raised with better principles and morals than Afghan children. These people are sick! They are disgusting human beings, who sodomize each other, rape their children, and murder their women. Of course you would not know though. You are just Christianna, just another typical liberal who sits back enjoying their cake life, while we sacrifice ours. The truth is, we need to let the Taliban take over, we can come back home, and continue to raise our children the way God wants us to. You disgusting middle easterns will never have God's favor, as we do!

      September 21, 2011 at 12:54 am | Reply
      • landofindus

        Things like sodomy, homosexuality, child molestation, rape, etc. that you mention are not confined to Afghanistan. Actually, there's plenty of that going on in the "West" right under your nose. Afghanistan has many other serious issues, but these are definitely not the major ones to be addressed. The West doesn't exactly live according to "God's Book" as you seem to hint. The major issue facing Afghanistan is the Taliban and their world view based on forcibly imposing Shariah Law and creating a medieval Islamic Caliphate in Afghanistan, and then spread their way of life (forcibly) around the region and eventually the rest of the world. Please understand the real issues rather than inventing some imaginary, prejudiced view.

        September 21, 2011 at 2:23 am |
      • pete

        Jesse is 100% right about Afghan (at least Pashtun) people – and if you have never been to the southern (Pashtun) provinces, I can't see what grounds you have to disagree. However, he misses the obvious next logical step which is to realize that when people base their worldview on faith rather than reason and facts, anything is permissible because you don't have to justify your actions beyond saying "The Mullah/Priest/Pastor/Rabbi/... told me (the illiterate peasant) that it was OK"

        September 21, 2011 at 2:41 am |
    • DoseofRealitty

      Afghanistan is trapped in the stone ages. Children stab each other to get a pencil. Men kill little girls to take their bicycle for their family. It is a different world.

      September 21, 2011 at 7:08 am | Reply
  76. Christianna

    The West is aging and still remembers the scars and lessons from the WW1 and WW2, but not every nation is aged or remembers it. Ambition for dominance, of course even using terrors, never dies as long as there is a man on earth.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:33 am | Reply
  77. Christianna

    The West should read the Bible to discover the human nature and the psyche and movements of nations and humble themselves before God to be preserved.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:28 am | Reply
  78. Christianna

    Oh, what a discovery! There are scores of nations who want wars if they only have a winning chance. It's only naive punk Westerners who wishfully think the world really wants peace.

    September 21, 2011 at 12:26 am | Reply
  79. julianpenrod

    There seem still to be many people who would be swayed by the dutiful propaganda the New World Order thugs of Washington spew. Common sense means nothing in the delusional world of the devotees of New World Order lies. Admiral Mike Mullen demosntrates how ready a liar he is when he spouts hogwash such as "the tactic of the Taliban is to assassinate as many leaders as possible". What good is that? New leaders always come forward, more protected, and some might be too vicious to handle. Win over a leader and you have won over the segment of population that leader represents. And General John R. Allen shows how much he is against the welfare of America by lying that the Taliban "do not want peace, but rather war". The Taliban were at war with no one in Afghanistan! Afghanistan was a peaceful nation looking to its own interests. It was George Bush who wanted war. It was Bush who started two wars and Obama, Bush's puppet, who started a third! And John R. Allen just seeks to keep war going, so he and his criminal corporate cronies could steal as much money as possible from taxpayers through corrupt mismanagement and deceitful misrepresentation of the "war effort"! *In fact, it looks very much like the New World Order's wishes being fulfilled in Rabbini's assassination, the thwarting of efforts to bring peace in Afghanistan!

    September 20, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • Robert

      If you actually believe all that you really are delusional and have your head stuck in the sand.

      September 20, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Reply
    • Jesse

      *JULIAN*Alas, another dumb liberal sitting at home smoking a joint. While I sit at my FOB in Afghanistan writing to this blog of uneducated morons, understand that the Taliban slaughter their own people everyday. For example, I witnessed a 30 truck convoy get ambushed by newly graduated Taliban children. They slaughtered all but three people. The three that survived, all had gun shot wounds. *CHRISTIANNA, does that seem that is the right way to raise your children? They pulled a peaceful truck driver just a few hundred meters out of our base out of his truck, and slit his throat, because he was delivering goods to our base. Often we have civilians being rushed to our base, because they were blown up by Terrorist bombs. We are the only medical facility in a one hundred mile radius. We take care of vehicle accident victims as well. While working hand in hand with the ANA, they have on multiple occassions charged rounds in their weapons and taking aim at us... as a joke. Sometimes they have drawn their guns on us and killed us. We show no aggression towards these people. We just react to their evil. We have people coming up to our gates, begging us to protect them from the Taliban. They say the Taliban has said they will rape and murder their wives, and take their possessions. SO FUCK YOU MORONS, you dont even know..

      September 21, 2011 at 1:06 am | Reply
      • Fred Phred

        Jesse,

        I want to thank you for your sacrifice. I'm just an anonymous american that is incapable of doing what you do. You are brave, where I am not. It's people like you that allow us (here) to go on with our lives everyday, drive into work, and do what we do. Thank you doesn't say enough.

        September 21, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Fred Phred

      Julian,

      stop re-writing history and put the joint down.

      The Taliban were harboring terrorists that killed 2977 innocent people. We asked them to hand over said terrorists. They refused. We told them if they did not hand over terrorists, we would be forced to come in there and get them. The Tablian told us to bugger off, and dared us to come.

      That's what happened. They choose to side with evil. And we disagreed with their choice.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:30 am | Reply
      • cbc

        Well said.

        September 21, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  80. Silver

    Why do people insist that Islamists would want any political solution??? Obviously these people do not read history or know anything about Islam. Islamists do not respect any government, much less any 'infidel' government. The only infidels that they tolerate are the ones who bribe them to leave them alone or have more powerful armies. That's it. Infidels are just cockroaches to Islamists.

    September 20, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • wanren

      The Taliban should be treated like Hitler's Nazi, it has to be destroy.

      September 20, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Reply
  81. barbara451

    what the taliban want is for the TAPI pipeline to disappear. It is all about oil. don't kid yourself. Nothing means anything in this world like the almighty dollar and that is what the pipeline is all about. That is why the US has soldiers dying in the middle east.

    September 20, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Reply
  82. shab

    its funny how people of the so called modern, civilised, educated, tolerant n u kno name it world are suggesting that innocent ppl in the middle east should be bombed (nuked). only if America and the western world minded their own businesses the wrold would not be n a mess that it is in today. Muslims dnt have a history of being violent, this whole terrorism thing started only 10 years ago. however the western people do have a history of fighting wars, mass killings and causing destruction, look at World war 1, world war 2, nuclearing bombing of japan and many more wars fought in western world before that, muslims had nothing to do with them. I think the western countries should stop being greedy and be happy with what they have.

    September 20, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Reply
    • DaveinCincy

      I'll be sure to tell that to the families of the Jewish Olympians and the families of PanAm flight 103.
      Right...last 10 years. Apparently history hasn't been tought in your neck of the desert....bonehead.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Reply
    • Dennis

      Take a bit more of your time and study your history.Terrorism did not start 10 years ago.The A-bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and later Nagasaki to lessen the casualties that the Allies could potentially suffer.This was also done as revenge for war crimes commited against American troops.If I remember right from what I had previously read,4% of the POW's held by Germany died in captivity.44% of American troops held by Japanese forces were tortured and/or executed.Payback is a bitch.Somebody had to pay for the atrocoties commited during the 9/11 attack.

      September 20, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Reply
    • OneOfTheSheep

      Actually if America were "greedy", when the Russians blockaded Berlin and we had the A-bomb and they didn't. We should have told them to cease and desist research on their own A-bomb or we would bomb them back to the stone age.

      They could then have put their resources into the rebuilding of the Soviet economy just as America economically helped Europe and Japan to rebuild their economies. Had Russia never had "the bomb", nuclear proliferation would not have happened. North Korea supported by China would never have dared invade South Korea. No "standoff between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan. No blueprints to North Korea, Iran or Syria.

      We could also have dictated to the Arabs, who supported the Axis powers, the price of oil (if we left them in charge of it). We didn't. Yes, our economy is built on fossil fuels and dependent on their price being reasonable. When OPEC was formed, we should have formed FEEW, Food Exporting Economies of the World, to tell OPEC what the exchange rate would be bartering food for oil.

      Instead we meekly stood back and now look with horror on the invading hoards of immigrating muslims whose overbreeding will "bury us" in numbers. These people aren't even capable of extracting their own oil without western technology and supervision. The height of their innovation is to make themselves "dumb bomb" martyr jihadis.

      I wish America HAD been "greedy". The world would be a much safer place, both now and in the future.

      September 21, 2011 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • Greg

      "Muslims do not have a history of being violent"

      Shab...I suggest you go back and study the history of the M.E. going back the past 1500 or so years.

      Also, it who was it again that flew planes into the WTC???

      sheeesh...

      In any case, that region is pretty much doomed. Once the U.S. pulls out of the M.E., any and all gains (infrastructure, voting rights, equality) will fall apart in less than a year.

      If we want to see any semblance of peace in that region we need to stay and exterminate the taliban, while at the same time work to build the infrastructure in Afghanistan (education, roads, etc), and teaching the afghans how to develop industry and grow crops for export. Like opium. Let them grow the opium poppies and than export the product to the pharma companies.

      September 21, 2011 at 6:35 am | Reply
      • American

        Every civilization has history of violance. Muslims fought wars but they didn't fight any war in South east Asia now home of 300 million muslims. Automans fought muslims and defeat them and then became muslims and did setup the Automan empire. My point is that this world owe a debt of gratitude to muslims for what they have contributed to modern civilization; science, medicine, social values and structure, etc.

        September 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • Art

      Muslims were never involved with terrorism? What planet do you live on? Mohammed bragged about inventing terrorism.
      “I have been made victorious with terror.” The Hadith, collected by Bukhari (4.52.220)
      Mohammed personally beheaded hundreds of Jewish men and took their women and children as slaves. Now what's all this talk about Islam and terrorism not being related?

      September 21, 2011 at 8:45 am | Reply
      • American

        Every hadith has a context and some specific condition that were applicable at that time. We are taling about a the most influencial personallity ever (Jews and christian panel declared it long before 9/11). Do you know the context of this hadith?

        September 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
  83. t

    These countries should be split up according to tribes. Afghanistan should be split into Pashtunistan and some other **stans so that these groups could each have their own country and government. At least then each smaller country could be somewhat united–albeit sometimes against each other country–oh well. Whatever, we need to leave there now and how–Monroe doctrine!

    September 20, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  84. SequoiaAdmirer

    They just are bloodthirsty and pleasure for people's death for to get 70 virgins! Very sad they dont realized how soon Jesus's coming will destory the insane people who are bloodthirsty! Just sad because they are proverty! And pissed off that they are behind of style life as us. Narrow mind people! I dont understand their way! Just insane and hateful.

    September 20, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  85. Thinks2010

    The only peace the Taliban wants with the rest of Afghanistan's population is the peace of the dead and the docile.

    September 20, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  86. DRE

    When you are willing to try and make a deal with the devil you can't be too surprised when you get burned, and you will. The Taliban like any fanatical group wants to control all aspects of a person's life and prevent having an educated country. An educated populous is a threat to them, while the uneducated masses can be controlled and easily convinced to become martyrs. After all when was the last time you saw any of their educated leaders ever sign up for being a martyr? Never, they always look for other to do that job for them.

    Think about it ...

    September 20, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Reply
  87. Buck Adams

    Keep in mind that the same people the current government of Afghanistan are trying to negotiate peace with have commited genocidal atrocities against the same ethnicities that compose the Afghan government. I don't think the Taliban will "win" because countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are based on intolerance and exclusion will never be much in a world that is composed of interdependent nations that do tolerate each other and work together.The ISAF's goal should be one of providing enough stable time and growth that the Afghans who want to abide in a world of inclusion and interedepence that those Afghans have the strongest generation possible. The war against Salafiists and the nation building of Afghanistan are not the same thing. The "war" is not "winnable" in the context of having one side surrender to the other side but it is a policy of reducing the effectiveness of salafi based extremists and thus far ISAF has done an outstanding job. Also any comparison of the Soviet-Afghan incursion and the USA-Vietnam incursion are baseless. Why? Because in those two incursions both sides were competing by proxy against rival super powers and the very robust economy of Saudi Arabia bankrolling the opposing side. This Afghan "Enduring Freedom" is very winnable. It all comes down to Afghanistan having a strong air force capable of sustaining itself. ISAF does not actively commit atrocities against anyone but I don't think that will be true of Afghanistan itself once the ISAF reduces its presents in Afghanistan and those same Afghan ethnic groups; Uzbeks and Tajiks, very well make somebody accountable for those atrocieties. Payback is going to be hell.

    September 20, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Reply
  88. Schmedley

    The Taliban have little to gain with peace. They are composed of a bunch of poorly educated criminals who would never fit into an orderly society anyways. The only difference between the Taliban and Skinheads is their religion and the fact that the Feds keep a close eye on the Skinheads to make sure they don't get out of control. The Taliban have no one to keep a lid on them so they're out of control.

    Other than that, they're all a bunch of thugs who thrive on hate.

    September 20, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Reply
  89. borisjimbo

    How do you deal with fanatics? Guess.

    September 20, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Reply
  90. Pete

    The radical Muslims have to fear only one thing, knowledge. if the people of those countries could read, they would end up telling the nut cases holy men to shove it, all most know is what they are told, it keep the egotist in charge, like here we listen to the news which is based on fear and greed, facts don't play pretty so if we get caught up in this bs we will end up the same way

    September 20, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Reply
  91. patrick

    nuke em

    September 20, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Reply
    • barbara451

      what the Taliban want is for the TAPI pipeline to go away. Don't kid yourself. This is about money and nothing else. The US has sent people to die for a pipeline. The oil magnates of the US will never allow the US to leave the middle east until that pipeline is finished.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  92. jiri pinkas

    The answer is simple – get the fvck out of middle east. let them kill each other – they seem to like killing
    each other and it does get rid of them. Ok now, when they bomb any other western country just
    bomb the crap out of all middle east countries until they go back to killing each other. I told you it was simple....

    September 20, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  93. nelkhoury

    If the Taliban make peace they will stop making millions and millions of dollars in drug money and other illegal activities. It's like telling the Mexicans and Colombians to stop growing drugs

    September 20, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  94. FluffyBunny

    Is there any reasonable person with a functioning brain on the planet that ever thought the Taliban wants anything OTHER than war?

    September 20, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Reply
  95. jrg973

    Leave these people to their own devices.....what are the capitalist looking for? Riches....well your way to late boyos....the chinees are already there and no ones screwing with them.....da knob head, wonder why. Not only will they both, chinees/afgans, kill you but they might just eat you!

    September 20, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Reply
    • barbara451

      what the Taliban want is for the TAPI pipeline to disappear. This war is about money and nothing else. The US has sent people to die for a pipeline. The oil magnates of the US will never allow the US to leave the middle east until that pipeline is finished.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Reply
    • heyheyhey

      that's probably because the chinese are smarter than you stupid americans. Why spend money on a pointless war when you could get others to do it for you, come in after and benefit off the situation.

      Like lybia, why in the world did we spend one billion? The french and british were already bombing them, we could have just came in after and buy up the oil. But no, we decided to waste more money on some pointless country

      September 21, 2011 at 10:41 am | Reply
      • NOT MY CHAIR

        wait you need to get your pronouns right. you went from "you stupid americans" to we decided to waste more money" so what is it? are you an American or not? maybe you should have written "the Chinese are smarter than me, a stupid American"

        September 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm |

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