A jaw-dropping loss
U.S. Navy SEALs demonstrate a special patrol insertion/extraction from an MH-60S Sea Hawk helicopter in this file photo. (Robert J. Fluegel/U.S. Navy)
August 7th, 2011
03:57 PM ET

A jaw-dropping loss

By Jim LeMay, CNN

Editor's note: Jim LeMay is the CNN Weekend Managing editor. He is from a long established military family with six relatives currently serving in the U.S. armed forces around the world. He is a graduate of the New Mexico Military Institute and worked as a news videographer in a number of war-torn countries. He currently serves with the Georgia State Defense Force on a search and rescue team and volunteers his time at Fort Stewart, Georgia.

(CNN) - The loss of the 22 Navy SEALs is jaw dropping.

They were among 30 U.S. troops killed when a helicopter went down this weekend in the most deadly single incident for American forces since the Afghan war began nearly 10 years ago. More than 1,500 U.S. servicemen and women have died in the conflict.  Each of these deaths is every bit as tragic as what happened Saturday.

What sets this incident apart is the combat role of the SEALs and the esteem in which they are held, especially in military circles.

The embedding of  journalists in fighting units has put a face on this war and brought the solider experience home - but the SEALs, who specialize in covert operations, don't allow embedded journalists.

So look at it this way: What if we had lost 22 NFL players with half of them being Heisman trophy winners? Or think if we had lost 22 major league baseball players? There's a direct correlation because professional athletes are good examples of the kind of elite status bestowed on the SEALs.

The training a SEAL member goes through is intensive. The U.S. spends millions of dollars per man to keep them in top physical and mental shape.

Hollywood has romanticized SEALs as beer-swilling, skirt-chasing killers - but the reality is very different. For the most part, SEALs are family men with a lot to live for. Given the covert nature of their jobs, when they're back home, they remain low key and stay out of the spotlight. They're under constant scrutiny for security reasons and must pass a stringent vetting process to keep their secret clearances' intact.

One thing they all seem to posses is an undying love for country and the willingness to sacrifice their lives for their fellow team member and the mission. They run at high speed and are known to do multiple missions every day they're in country. They are not the point of the spear - they are the spear. Constant training makes them experts in every combat discipline from the highly technical to hand-to-hand combat.

Stealth is their nature; You can't just pluck another soldier out of line and replace a fallen SEAL.

This loss will be felt for years. We are unlikely to see the suffering of their families and colleagues. When a loved one is a SEAL, your life changes forever.

Family members must remain silent about their loved ones - they can never reveal details.

Just simple questions like, "Where's Tom?" have to be answered carefully.

Families must remain low-key as well, doing their best not to draw unwanted attention. It's only now, after their untimely deaths that you will hear from the extended families.

To get a visual idea of what their pain will look like; line up 22 pairs of boots or put 22 folded flags in a row. Perhaps then, you will begin to sense the loss.

At Coronado Naval Air station in California and at the SEAL base in Norfolk, Va. - rest assured the impact of this loss is just starting to sink in.

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  1. buddy

    GOD'S SPEED TO OUR WARRIORS. A TRAGIC LOSS

    August 8, 2011 at 8:28 am | Reply
  2. theguy

    Varus, give me back my legions!

    August 8, 2011 at 8:20 am | Reply
  3. ron

    Who puts their entire team on one flight?

    August 8, 2011 at 8:08 am | Reply
    • Jeff in Illinois

      Why, the aforementioned NFL does!

      August 8, 2011 at 8:09 am | Reply
  4. Sulaiman

    I feel sorry for the children of these navy seals-the fact that they had such idiots for fathers.

    I mean I can't imagine that a father could travel over 10,000 miles away to fight mountain shepherds, get killed and leave his children to grow up without a dad. Now that's what I call "Seal Intelligence" (TM).

    August 8, 2011 at 8:07 am | Reply
    • Jeff in Illinois

      Is it bothering you that your trolling isn't getting the response you want? Aww.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:09 am | Reply
    • ajohnson865

      What a completely ignorant comment.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:12 am | Reply
    • HiroProtagonist

      Go 'way, troll.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:13 am | Reply
    • what?

      I wish nothing but horrible things for you.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:24 am | Reply
  5. JOE

    AMERICA WAKE UP! ALL THE INSANE RAMBLING ABOUT OUR NAVY SEALS BEING KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN IS BESIDE THE REAL POINT HERE. LET'S FACE IT, WE ARE STILL SUFFERING CASUALTIES IN AFGHANISTAN TODAY BECAUSE GEORGE W. BUSH AND THESE VERY SAME GOP LEADERS ABANDONED AND PROLONGED THE AFGHAN WAR TO CARRYOUT THEIR ILLEGITIMATE IRAQI WAR. AND IF THERE WAS NO IRAQI WAR, THE AFGHAN WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AGO BECAUSE THAT COUNTRY WOULD HAVE LONG BEEN STABILIZED. TODAY THERE IS TALK ABOUT IMPEACHING PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR OUR LEGITIMATE INVOLVEMENT IN LIBYA BUT GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE GOP CONSPIRED, MISLED AND LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE WORLD COMMUNITY ABOUT BOGUS AND NON EXISTENT WEOPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AS A JUSTIFICATION TO EXECUTE THEIR ILLEGITIMATE IRAQI WAR. BUT WHAT IS SAD HERE IS THAT EIGHT YEARS LATER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS YET TO HEAR THE WORD IMPEACHMENT IN THE SAME SENTENCE WITH GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE GOP. BUT WHY?

    FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE GOP MURDERED OVER 4,000 US TROOPS IN IRAQ AND TODAY OUR TROOPS ARE STILL DYING IN AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE OF THE HANOUS WAR CRIMES PERPETRATED BY GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE GOP. SO WHEN ARE THESE WAR CRIMINALS GOING TO BE TRIED FOR THEIR HANOUS WAR CRIMES? PRIOR TO THE IRAQI WAR, UNITED NATIONS INSPECTORS WERE ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ, DISMANTLING AND UNARMING THE IRAQI MILITARY PEACEFULLY AND WITHOUT BLOODSHED AND LOST OF LIFE. IRAQ WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO ITS NEIGHBORS AND NEITHER WAS IT AN IMMENENT THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. BUT THE TYRANT AND WAR CRIMINAL GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS WAR CABINET ORDERED UN INSPECTORS OUT OF IRAQ PREMATURELY SO THEY COULD CARRYOUT THE WORST WAR ATROCITIES OF THE 21ST CENTURY. YET, 8 YEARS LATER THESE WAR CRIMINALS ARE NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND TRIED FOR THEIR WAR CRIMES. SO HOW COME? FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WHY?

    AMERICA IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE PAST AND PRESENT ATROCITIES THAT THE GOP AND NOW THEIR TEA PARTY IS DOING TO DESTROY AMERICA. AND MY PERSONAL MESSAGE TO THE PARENTS OF OUR COURAGEOUS AND BRAVE AMERICAN SOLDIERS IS... THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR SACRIFICE. SECONDLY, AMERICA LOVE YOU AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE DOING FOR US. AND THIRD, I URGE THAT YOU DEMAND THAT GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE GOP BE PROSECUTED AND TRIED FOR WAR CRIMES.

    August 8, 2011 at 8:03 am | Reply
    • Godzilla The Merciful

      You do realized that by typing all in CAPS you have succesfully made your post a lot more difficult to read simply because the human eye and brain do not as easily comprehend all CAPS. So after reading one line of what you have written the rest of us tune out and move on.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:09 am | Reply
    • what?

      SHUT UP!!! This is just the incoherent rambling of a delusional mind. Please, leave this country at once.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:25 am | Reply
  6. geen

    the sad thing about this century, so far, is that we have had incompetent presidents...one who was a complete moron and left absolutley nothing positive in his wake....the current one who is, except for what he reads on his teleprompter, just as incompetent and following in the footsteps of the moron. 630 american died in afghanistan in 8 yrs during the moron's regime. with the escalation of the war by the obama adminstration, 1100 have died in 2 and a half years....STOP VOTING FOR THESE PRO-WAR POLITICIANS! and the really sad thing about these illegal, unjustified, invasions and occupations of c hoice is that every problem we have in this country is related to the paranoia created by 911. personally, as a veteran of that genocide we inflcted on Vietnam 45 yrs ago, I know that america can never win a guerilla war–and that is exactly what this is....politicians haven't the balls to raise taxex to pay for these illegal excursions and, untill they do, they will continue–even when 57% of every tax dollars goes to the defense dept for these wars (a bad thing) and veterans (a good thing, but wouldn't be on same scale if there were no wars...!)...WE NEED A PEACE CANDIDATE...ONE WHO REALLY BELIEVES IN PEACE AND DOESN'T JUST READ GARBAGE FROM A TELEPROMPTER!

    August 8, 2011 at 8:03 am | Reply
    • what?

      Sure, we'll have peace...please make sure the islamic extremists do the same, and ensure they will never attack us or our interests again. Can you do that? Thanks.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:29 am | Reply
  7. Byrd

    It's called war. 220 of my Marine buddies died in a single blast in Beirut in 1983 when Reagan decided to play with it. Today's leaders aren't any smarter and people keep getting killed for what? Nothing.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:56 am | Reply
  8. Bob

    Makes you wonder why the US had so many SEAL'S in one hilocopter.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • Andrew

      Why would the govt not split the forces into diff aircraft to avoid such a ridiculous loss? Seems like the only incompetent ones are our govt. They are culpable and yes these SEALS are a loss that could have been avoidable! Sad!

      August 8, 2011 at 8:17 am | Reply
      • what?

        Ah...the monday morning quarterback is now also the monday morning commander of ops in afghanistan. Let the second guessing begin.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:30 am |
  9. Don

    I can see clearly that many of you never served active duty for the greatest country on earth. These guys risk their lives on orders from the elected officials that WE AS AMERICANS voted into office. The pride we had for our country after 911 has fizzled and thats a shame. RIP Brothers!!

    August 8, 2011 at 7:49 am | Reply
    • Fred

      "I can see clearly that many of you never served active duty for the greatest country on earth."

      Nor do I want to. These men didn't die for me or for my freedom. They died to make a rich man richer. We haven't fought a righteous war since WW2. "The greatest country on earth?" Not for long unless we wise up.

      No American should have to die in such a futile and useless struggle.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:57 am | Reply
      • what?

        Wow, I hate you and your misguided principles. take some responsibility for your elected officials, and stop being so damned selfish by only caring about what the military has and can do for you. You are an embarrassment to our country, and you personally make me sick.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:09 am |
      • Josh

        Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines do not choose the wars they fight. We serve the people of the United States, protect the Consitution, and follow all lawful orders that we are given. We serve and fight so those of you that will not, don't have to.
        This loss of good men is painful and it is a sad day for their family and the miitary as a whole.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:35 am |
  10. Cynic

    There will never be enough American blood to satisfy the Americans who are getting rich on it.

    Afghanistan was the Soviet's Vietnam. Looks like it's going to be our second one.

    End this endless cycle of war now!

    August 8, 2011 at 7:47 am | Reply
    • what?

      Blah blah blah...rich guy this, oil that...doesn't the same conspiracy garbage get old after a while? And, comparing this to vietnam is just ignorant. This country needs mandatory service, like most of Europe. Maybe some real world experience will open liberals eyes to what really goes on out there.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:15 am | Reply
      • Pragmatic

        Being against deadly, expensive and unwarranted wars in distant places life Afghanistan doesn't make one a liberal, it makes one a patriot. Real Americans are against war for war's sake–which EXACTLY seems to be the case in the corrupt tribal areas of Afghanistan (where neighbor-against-neighbor violence is part of the culture).

        Intelligent conservatives would rather spend all that effort to rebuild America's industrial base while keeping a robust military equipped and prepared to fight an enemy who actually poses a threat to the nation. Are you an intelligent conservative, or an easy mark for propagandists?

        August 8, 2011 at 8:36 am |
      • what?

        Unwarranted war? Ever wonder why 2 different presidents from 2 different parties are continuing this effort? Why do you think they are fighting some imaginary enemy that does not exist? You are absolutely insane if you think this is not an enemy worth fighting. That's the crazy thing about Americans...it takes an extraordinary event to pull them together, and then they forget about it a few short years later, and start to question everything they do and blame it on themselves. The way to beat the US is just to wait them out, they will inevitably turn on themselves. How embarassing.

        August 8, 2011 at 9:01 am |
  11. Rick

    Why were that many SEALs together on the same copter?! I'd imagine it makes more sense to keep teams seperate for this very reason. A sad day. Just another example of why we shouldn't be there in a war. End the war, end the debt. Save lives.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:47 am | Reply
    • what?

      You really think ending this war will save lives? Everyone will just become friends and have BBQs and cake together? Wake up, guy. It certainly will not.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:12 am | Reply
  12. Jeff in Illinois

    31 dead in one attack during 10 years of war is jaw-dropping? If that's the best the enemy can do it proves we ROCK! Does CNN have no concept of losses during past wars?

    August 8, 2011 at 7:45 am | Reply
    • Fred

      This isn't a game, moron!

      August 8, 2011 at 7:49 am | Reply
      • Jeff in Illinois

        I'm comparing history, my uber intelligent friend.
        If war hasn't become a game, why are there rules? There should be no rules because war is a dirty, nasty, horrible thing that we shouldn't engage in except as a last resort. Additionally, we tend to keep getting into it with those who never signed off on the rules anyway, yet we are bound by them.

        August 8, 2011 at 7:52 am |
  13. Concerned

    As commander of the US forces, President gets the credit when something goes good (taking down Osama in a rather smooth operation) and when something goes bad, like this one. Did the SEALS not clear the area before returning? DId the helicopter linger at low altitude for a long time making it an easy target? WHy were so many highly trained SEALs in one chopper making it a highy valuable target?

    August 8, 2011 at 7:41 am | Reply
    • halanoh

      please visit CoolCent. c o m

      August 8, 2011 at 7:52 am | Reply
  14. Bobo

    Perhaps the recent takedown of Bin Laden made this unit a little too overconfident (i.e. sloppy).

    August 8, 2011 at 7:19 am | Reply
    • Fred S.

      A rare intelligent response.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:27 am | Reply
    • Compass

      Such things don't go into the heads of people who don't even admit their job to most of their family friends.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:27 am | Reply
    • what?

      And what in the world makes you think that? Just pure speculation. Sorry, this comment was ridiculous.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:17 am | Reply
  15. LSSN Marshall Harris, US NAVY

    Comparing SEALs to NFL or professional baseball players is the most asinine thing I have ever heard in my entire life. There is no comparison between the level of respect my fellow sailors and I have for our SEALs and some overpaid sports star who gets picked up on a DUI or gun charge every week in his $3 million car. These men are the best of the best of the best. You owe them more than your respect. You owe them an apology for writing such a piece of garbage and pasting it on the internet. Go back to whatever backwater, community college journalism program you came from.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:15 am | Reply
    • birmingham

      Sometimes members of the military do not realize how little those not familiar with military lives actually know about our Armed Forces. The point is that the SEALS are among the stars, the best of the best, of the military, and the article is attempting to convey that. I am not military but just moved from a military town to a larger, non-military one and have been amazed how little my new friends know or have even thought about military lives. This article doesn't mean to offend - it means to educate and explain the horror and the far-reaching implications of this loss.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:39 am | Reply
    • Steve

      how about you change your tampoon and stop pretending to be a 'writter' – rather try looking past whatever metaphor you feel was in poor taste and move onto the morning of these 22 fine men? Just saying...

      August 8, 2011 at 7:42 am | Reply
  16. Fred S.

    Gen. Curtis LeMay of the US Airforce in WWII was in charge of firebombing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians to death. Naturally, he was never tried for genocide or crimes against humanity. Oh yes, those inconvenient Geneva something or others. Maybe it runs in the family. Great article, Jim.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:15 am | Reply
    • what?

      Geneva convention was 1949, you dummy.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:18 am | Reply
      • David

        Great reply post! Like ALL the morons who post about America war crime this and imperial that, they all seem to ignore the facts of history. It just goes to show how ignorant and stupid they really are.

        While we're at it, the original poster seems to have forgotten the thousands of civilians the Imperial Japanese killed during their conquest of the Philippines, Korea and China (heard of the Rape of Nanking?).

        August 8, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Melody

      I'd suggest you pick up a copy of "Tears of darkness" about the Bataan death march – perhaps that will give you some much needed insight about why the US reacted the way it did. Admittedly, in some ways I wish I hadn't read it because the brutality of the Japanese soldiers is that horrific, senseless and disturbing even all these years later....

      We should all have even a measure of the resilience and courage as the aptly named Ben Steele did.

      August 8, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
  17. Sean Skelly

    God bless these families and take these soldiers into your kingdom. Sad weekend

    August 8, 2011 at 7:08 am | Reply
  18. Sulaiman

    A message to the relatives of the seals:

    A fool and his life are soon parted.

    August 8, 2011 at 7:04 am | Reply
    • jobobbo

      You sir are a btard troll who needs to go away. How dare you say stuff like that and previous posts when they are fighting for your freedom probably.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:59 am | Reply
    • what?

      And i hope the same for you soon...

      August 8, 2011 at 8:19 am | Reply
  19. Jen Roberts

    Please don't ever again say that NFL players who won the Heisman are in any way comparable to the Navy SEALS. That is beyond insulting. Navy SEALS don't strike to make more money. Navy SEALS don't change their name to mimic their number, or drink their way through college, or date Paris Hilton for the notoriety.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:59 am | Reply
    • Fred S.

      How many people around the world has the NFL assassinated lately?
      I think the US Naval Death Squad is ahead on that one.

      August 8, 2011 at 7:22 am | Reply
      • what?

        Not seeing your point, Fred. Please enlighten us with what I am sure will be an intelligent and unselfish comment. Proceed...

        August 8, 2011 at 8:33 am |
  20. 1i1o

    Give back the 22 SEALS and 2200 air force P.O.G.'s

    August 8, 2011 at 6:53 am | Reply
  21. nucsubguy

    See what I mean? It never ends.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:51 am | Reply
  22. steve woerner

    Mr. LeMay – you are a joke of a journalist. There is NO comparison between sport figures and SEALS. Maybe Pat Tillman but that's where it ends. I'm terribly disapointed that I wasted my time reading your article. You should be ashamed fo making the comparison.
    Not ashamed to leave my name,
    ~Steve Woerner

    August 8, 2011 at 6:47 am | Reply
  23. Sulaiman

    The seals should've done their Social Studies reading assignment in Ms. O' Donnels class-

    Chapter 1: Afghanistan, the Graveyard of Empires (pgs. 1-9)

    That's what you get for not doing your homework.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:44 am | Reply
    • what?

      What an insanely ridiculous comment. You know what chapter they didn't read? The one where they should let extremists just walk all over them and kill their families, and do nothing about it. That may be a chapter in your book, but not their's. Honor these men for their service...20 of you is not worth one of them, so show some god damn respect.

      August 8, 2011 at 8:23 am | Reply
  24. nucsubguy

    To those participating in this post who have a clue as to how the US military operates- don't feel obligated to explain or justify anything to the sheep. It's their God given (and US military protected) right to be ignorant in such matters.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:42 am | Reply
  25. nucsubguy

    I have said for years that the average American is a complete moron, and with the advent of message boards I now have proof. God bless our military and all who support them. This was a terrible tragedy.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:32 am | Reply
  26. GM2 JMP

    As a former BUD/S grad and SubCom to Team I, all I can say is the politicizing of this incident is disgusting. We have thirty (30) Americans who will not be coming home because of this and you people are looking to blame the Repiblicans or Democrats for starting or mis-managing this operation? There is plenty of blame for both sides here, but let's not forget al Qaeda started this. These men who died in this action don't want blame-throwing, they don't want apologies and they don't want revenge. We owe it to them to think of their families and to NEVER forget their sacrafice. Godspeed, brothers.

    August 8, 2011 at 6:05 am | Reply
  27. mike d

    Its a shame to lose so many valuable lives. I have views on politics, war, human rights, religion, and human nature that the rest of you may not agree with regarding this article and war in general. Something went horribly wrong and whether poor planning by our military or careful planning by the enemy leaders; the families and friends get to silently deal with their pain. This is the most horrifying aspect of all because those folks dont get to heal like most do. I feel for the families and friends wish them all the best.
    I respect all military personnel who took the job or enlisted to provide for themselves, family, and earn an education; as well as provide self sacrifice for the purpose of defending our country and standing up for freedom. I do not beleive that this war is solely about securing our freedom and safety though. Soldiers can defend the beaches, buildings, and airports and borders here at home and still keep radicals out with the help of our highly paid government and professionally trained personnel, as well as technology. We dont need to invade other countries and kill 20 times the civilians and 50 times the insurgents over how many soldiers we have lost and civilians on 9/11 or could lose from terrorism. There is no justification for exponential loss to justify past loss or potential loss. Everyone has a right to his or her beliefs despite the insanity of such beliefs. We piss on the very amendments of the Constitution we stand by when we kill a man in another country for his radical beliefs and murderous tendencies. How does it make us different. The Spanish wiped out several races in South America and in North America with their Catholic cleansing and were pushed out after religiously colonizing 2 continents and setting tone for religion in north america to this day where many spinoff religions have been developed.They had no right to impose their beliefs and murder for it. Neither did Hitler. But each outright invaded other continents. The taliban and al Qeida arent trying to push and enforce radical religious beliefs or Sharia law here. A few terrorists try to get in and blow shit up and some succeeded. People kill each other is this country everyday on purpose and accidentally through stupidity and ignorance. Murder and assault is terrorism. By fighting the enemy in their land we are enforcing our beliefs on them and murdering them for their beliefs despite how crazy they may be. When they try and come here then we can shoot, imprison, or send them back. What right do we have to occupy their country just because we are afraid a few psychopathic brainwashed suicide bombers are being organized to come here. There are more people in this country killing each other to worry about. There is a clear reason they hate us. Its because we do what we want and take what we want, and invade; and tell them what they can and cant do, not because we leave countries to themselves. Its because we stick our big US nose where it doesnt belong just to maintain our so called freedom and security. Oh yea, and because the rich love to get the contracts to rebuild and develop big overseas relationships to grow their bank accounts. Oil schmoil......Theres always a political agenda too. The lives that will be lost from live defective ordinance and depleted uranium along with all the lead from bullets contaminating their limited water sources too is all too unimportant to our cause either. The money spent on wars is infinitely and exponentially more than it would cost to keep the craziest monsters out of this country through psychological and behavioral research, and testing as well as just good ole fashioned detective work on the part of homeland security based on what country you are from and if you are visiting or trying to become a citizen. You cant stop every disaster and we have created the disaster in their land. I am glad its not here and soldiers are doing it for us but i would rather move to a new land than be a part of a war such as this. It doesnt make me proud to be an american. We have stirred up the biggest hornets nest this country or world has ever seen and spent more money than all wars combined fighting an enemy that improvises and uses tactics just like we do but with the limited resources they have. Unfortunately with all the money we spend we cant defeat them because we have created a reason for their great grandchildren to hate us and ongoing insurgency.
    You may think me unamerican and stupid. I know there is some necessity to this war, but I dont have to like or agree with it. Thats what freedom is. Not playing commando God because your government says you can kill because americans are at risk 10,000 miles away. Those men are dead and it could have been avoided. I dont discount their efforts one bit and I appreciate their service and purpose. I just wish our country never put them in harms way to begin with.

    August 8, 2011 at 5:10 am | Reply
    • Justice4all

      What about all the innocent civilians murdered by the American troops? Any sympathy for them or are their lives cheap and easily forgotten? These men deserved to die no sympathy at all, its part of their job so stop complaining. You murder others then be prepared to be murdered, in fact the American troops got off way too lightly.

      August 8, 2011 at 5:23 am | Reply
      • it'd be best

        @justice4all It would truly be best little boy if you kept those fingers quiet and your mouth shut. Especially in public. This is your one warning.

        August 8, 2011 at 5:40 am |
      • KT

        Justice4all, you are an idiot. Go back to your hole...

        August 8, 2011 at 6:10 am |
      • Fred S.

        Great respect for the different opinion in the world's greatest democracy from two vicious bullies (or are they former US military intelligence interogators?).

        August 8, 2011 at 6:51 am |
      • bernard grubb

        go back where you came from. I see you don't mind the freedoms they fought for. Go back to the rock you crawled out from under and stay there or if you stay here shut the F%$K up...

        August 8, 2011 at 6:59 am |
      • PO1 StevensC US NAVY

        Mr. justice4all,
        You see here in the United States those, "innocent" you speak of would have been tried, and convicted of harboring a fugitive, or aiding and abetting before and after the fact, among others. These were people who were allowing their family members to wage war unimpeded. I for one have little sympathy for some one who is killed because they were, sleeping with, hanging out with, or bed down with the perpetrators of this entire war. These people send their children as meer babies to be trained how to kill americans, christians. I have no sympathy. Now for my fallen americans i salute you and mourn you. I am deeply saddened for your families. You have not perpetrated this war. Your brethren americans did not perpetrate this war. AL QUIDA did this, the afghan govt allowed them to do this, the pakistani govt allowed this, they have the blood of any true innocent civilians on their hands.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • what?

      Your comment is insane. I wonder if you would have said the same thing if you had a family member killed by terrorism, or actually served your country overseas. Funny how that experience would change everything. You see, what I don't buy is that we are "forcing" our beliefs on others. That's just a lazy argument. We are working with their people to set up a government system of their choosing, and focusing on securing their own people from...take a guess...themselves. Not us. We are not forcing our system, we are not forcing a secular solution. We are facilitating a free system where becoming a terrorist is not an option at all. Why don't you see this, but instead just pontificate about how awful the US miliary is, yet you have no courage to do anything about it, or see what is really happening?

      August 8, 2011 at 8:45 am | Reply
  28. Jalen

    Very well written Sir. Far to rare a sight among today's media. To the men who died that day, and every day...

    August 8, 2011 at 3:45 am | Reply
    • rebecca.zimmerle@gmail.com

      send more seals! ha ha!

      August 8, 2011 at 4:49 am | Reply
      • what?

        got your email, dummy. shouldn't have said something stupid.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:48 am |
  29. vlaaa

    This war has gone on for far too long without direction or justification. Our brave troops deserve better. Thank you all for your service to our great country and all the sacrifices you've made. I am not a religious person but I honestly do pray for this war to end and for the safety of our men and women.

    August 8, 2011 at 3:17 am | Reply
  30. Allan

    This will lead to a minor war again

    August 8, 2011 at 2:56 am | Reply
  31. Will

    Mr. LeMay...thank you for your informative article. Although I am already a grieving American for our tremendous loss over the weekend, your insight into SEAL life helped me to further appreciate the sheer weight of this loss and the sacrifice of these brave Americans and their families. I hope the families of all fallen American soldiers truly realize the appreciation and high regard America holds for them. Regardless of politics or the direction the war may take because of this tragedy, I can assure these families who've lost so much that the whole country mourns with them. America is forever thankful for their role in protecting our freedom while attempting to provide the same freedom in a far off land. America will also never forget why we are in the Middle East in the first place: The strongest nation in the world will never sit idley by when another nation lacks the very freedom and liberty we hold so true.

    August 8, 2011 at 2:49 am | Reply
    • Brave

      You have got to be kidding... it is a great loss but you need to stright your reason for being in afghanistan and iraq

      August 8, 2011 at 6:26 am | Reply
      • what?

        And what is your reason? Let me guess...some consiparcy garbage about money and oil, and blah blah blah. Are you telling me freedom is a bad thing for the middle east?

        August 8, 2011 at 8:50 am |
  32. DaveNYUSA

    "So look at it this way: What if we had lost 22 NFL players with half of them being Heisman trophy winners? Or think if we had lost 22 major league baseball players"
    Yeah it is kind of like that, EXCEPT the the SEALS are not overpaid whiners who get to take the year off when they have a sprained finger with extraordinarily stupid pay.

    August 8, 2011 at 2:14 am | Reply
  33. Brian

    "Did you forget that Al-Qaeda organized the 911?"...................................................

    And did you forget that most of those AL-Qaeda people were from Saudi Arabia?

    August 8, 2011 at 1:59 am | Reply
    • David

      And that most of those Saudis from Al Qaeda where based in Afghanistan?

      ANOTHER idiot posting about stuff he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. YOU, Stupid! Go to the corner of the classroom to join that idiot who made the comment about Gen Lemay and the firebombing of Japanese being against the Geneva conventions (the conventions were written FOUR years AFTER the bombings).

      August 8, 2011 at 10:51 am | Reply
  34. Aaron

    So many scared Americans here doing what they do best-being scared. Grow a pair already. You support the war, join up.

    August 8, 2011 at 1:51 am | Reply
    • humberto

      Oh yea, the Associated Press is a corrupt hostile spy orginazation .

      August 8, 2011 at 2:39 am | Reply
  35. modeldon

    Lets see. One raghead with an RPG (50 bucks maybe) and or less. Million dollar soldiers and equipment. Probably 35 million. Does nobody see a problem here.

    And this horrible taliban enemy of choice. They provided a few tents and a couple of acres tfor Al Queda to play war in.
    1. There wwere NO taliban in those planes that hit the buildings. Nor any afgans. We were NOT attacked by any ARMY or AIR FORCE or Government. THAT is what is war.
    2. There were NO iraqis in the training camps or in those planes. they knew nothing about it.
    We have squandered 3 trillion dollars (call that debt) since the rich never paid taxes to support the war. The rich don't fight nor do their children.
    We have lost 60k casualties over 10 years. There are 12k troops in a regular army division. That is 5 divisions lost. There are 12 regualr army divisions financed by congress. That means simply 1/2 of the tip of the spear is kaput. We lost 3 buildings and 3k people. How much revenge is enough?
    6. Terrorists are NOT some mass movement or a monsterous army. I do hope someone understands that.
    7. Wars (global war on terror) are and were NOT necessary. 2-300 people were possible terrorists. THAT is about the same size as a platoon. NOT an enemy that is going to take over the world.
    8. patience (it took 10 years because of the war distractions) and special ops. Bingo. Two 150k armies and another private 100k mercenaries NOT needed.
    9. And when you are spending 2 billion a week non stop for 10 years with 2 + wars of choice one can see the REAL reason for bankruptcy looming. And when the rich have taxes cut (in wwII-Korea the rich tax rate was raised to 70 percent-somehow they were NOT any less rich) bankruptcy in inevitable.
    10. For the anti spending crackpots please understand thst wars (especially so because it is destruction) are NOT free.
    11. One would think that since the rich don't fight and they have the most to lose in a loss they would at least do the heavy lifting via taxes. or is patriotism and dying just for the "little people".

    August 8, 2011 at 1:07 am | Reply
    • Billy

      Did you forget that Al-Qaeda organized the 911? And the Taliban people refused to hand over Bin Laden to us when US asked for him? And that Taliban was the Government at that time? (Mullah Omar => Who is now in hiding)

      August 8, 2011 at 1:51 am | Reply
      • humberto

        That doesn't explain why they went rouge after the CIA trained them.
        That doesn't explain letting Irac annex land for Iran Hostages during Reagan .
        That doesn't explain the Iran/Contra scandal.
        That doesn't explain how they knew they were in Canada and waited to see what they do, despite knowledge of the USS COLE. and more .

        August 8, 2011 at 4:24 am |
      • humberto

        They even played games to ruin the countrys credit rating because they don't want to pay their fair share of tax's while indenturing everyone else, that was always their intent –

        August 8, 2011 at 4:41 am |
      • humberto

        Who's got to leave the country now ?

        August 8, 2011 at 4:49 am |
    • David

      Common Sense. It's refreshing. Thank You.

      August 8, 2011 at 2:04 am | Reply
      • David

        Meant for: modeldon

        August 8, 2011 at 2:05 am |
  36. SpeakingFromExperience

    To all those that keep posting about how "bad and idea" it is to put 22 or whatever special operators in a single aircraft...STOP...this is just a single incident.....nobody is using common sense and asking how many successfull missions are completed everyday using CH-47s.....statisitically you guys are wrong....we lose way more special operators to IEDs, should we stop driving.....use common sense please....nothing wrong with asking, but making statements like you are an expert only makes you look foolish....

    August 8, 2011 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • angerforthosewho4got

      Well said, it really saddens me that for 10 years the only thing that gets talked about is the bad, sad, and ugly news. We are doing great things over there also!! I bet 90% of the people that are commenting have never even been to war. I am all about having an opinion, just try not to sound like an a$$^&*( when giving it. Also, this article is not about a failure in war or battle, it is to honor "OUR" fallen. Please have some respect.

      August 8, 2011 at 2:34 am | Reply
  37. SFC J

    I'm not one to post on sites like this, but me being in Afghanistan and hearing the initial reports of this incident I think I have a pretty good understanding than most of what happened. This guys remarks just really degreade the honor of these men with the following paragraph:

    "What if we had lost 22 NFL players with half of them being Heisman trophy winners? Or think if we had lost 22 major league baseball players? There's a direct correlation because professional athletes are good examples of the kind of elite status bestowed on the SEALs."

    Really? And what kind of correlation does the NFL, NBA, or MLB have to do with people who provide you the very sanctity of the freedoms that you so enjoy? I've never seen an NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL player risk his ass for me or my country. What say you?

    August 8, 2011 at 12:44 am | Reply
    • Amen

      Amen

      August 8, 2011 at 1:08 am | Reply
    • modeldon

      Absolutely correct. The word hero is prostituted. Infact first responders,firemen,teachers are worth triple the bread and circuses sports/celebrities types. But it is what the real value of Americans is.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:11 am | Reply
      • humberto

        Is that what you call the Chief that ordered the firemen to drag the hose's up because it'll give them something to do and send them thru the building with no communications ?

        August 8, 2011 at 5:32 am |
    • sean

      pat tillman

      August 8, 2011 at 1:19 am | Reply
    • SFC B

      I hear what you're saying but I think we have to remember the general public does not see anything other than what is right in front of their face. I am deployed as well and I thought the correlation between football players and operators is a nail on the head. The reason for this is most people can tell you football stats, players teams, super bowl champs for the last 30 years but have no idea about Arnhem, OP Market Garden, Restore Hope, or Op Just Cause, if he can essentially bring what we do to general American public's level of knowledge about the military maybe people will think before they speak... I don't know, just a thought. ATW!

      August 8, 2011 at 1:33 am | Reply
    • Shawna

      Thank you so very much for your service to our country.

      August 8, 2011 at 2:02 am | Reply
  38. Senior Chief

    Why would anyone ever put all of your resoures in one basket? Why weren't they split up in 2-3 choppers to prevent exactly what happend? Whoever gave that order should be busted and discharged.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:42 am | Reply
    • c grayon

      THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!! THOSE HELICOPTERS ARE FLYING COFFINS. IT HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.....REAL LOSS FOR ONE LUCKY SHOT........OUR MILITARY LEADERS ARE NOT USING THIER HEADS IF THEY CONTINUE TO PUT SO MANY OF OUR ELITE PEOPLE IN THOSE FLYING COFFINS.....

      August 8, 2011 at 1:06 am | Reply
      • anida

        Very true, it blows my mind why it keeps on happening, so many precious souls in one chopper that also at night time flying over dangerous territory.Why military leaders can not envision this danger??????

        August 8, 2011 at 5:37 am |
    • Melody

      That was one of my first thoughts as well. I found it shocking that so many SEALs were in the same helicopter. Considering how specialized they are it seemed reckless to order that but perhaps there's something I'm missing.

      Very sad for all the fallen and their loved ones. RIP.

      August 8, 2011 at 4:49 am | Reply
  39. antoine

    Jeremy, you and your type are the problem. Extremist rhetoric takes away from any sense that you may make. If you're right, being a jack@$$ is not neccessary to prove so. Being a bubbling bottle of summers eve only makes people hate you without ever stopping to think about the facts that you present. Rip to the fallen. War is hell. Not needing to be enlisted to know that. Its noble in thought but fallacious in argument to say we are fighting for freedom or our security. The folks we're chasing in the mountains are not fighting against our right to worship or sin. They hate us because we want to conquer them and negate their right to be 5th century barbarians. If the taliban decided to force afgans to give up their wives or to tax the populous into nothingness, the afgans would revolt and the US wouldn't be needed to oust the taliban. The fact is for most afgans, the taliban is the govt of choice when compared to the inept, corrupt, and secular central afgan govt. They hate us and our secular govt. Their society wants theocracy. So of course they hate their govt that's propped up by us. They don't want to invade us and my money says mullah omar woulda booted osama on day one had he known he was gonna end up with america occupying the country for 10 yrs plus. They don't want to take over america and make us muslim, they want us to not occupy them and prop up a govt not of their choosing. Read a copy of the constituion and you'll get the same sentiment towards england. We are occupying a sovereign nation and backing a govt that can't last without our support. As a result, they are fighting us and we are loosing some of our best and brightest.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:37 am | Reply
    • eg

      the soldiers seals all trained to handle the job, not for politics, sure theyre pumped up but you have to to modivate
      the taliban are bad guys were the good guys , its a war.. if it makes ppl feel better we've killed thousand times more they they have us..
      but its war
      ntl

      August 8, 2011 at 12:52 am | Reply
    • Mike

      Uh, actually, given their preference they would want to occupy and convert us. In ignoring the bedrock tenets of Islam (not to mention the last 14 centuries of history) in examining Muslim (including Taliban) belief, you make a poor academic argument. It might make more warm and fuzzies to pretend we all just want to get along, but that is based on a global progressive talking point rather than any sort of empirical proof. Like many other causes religious and otherwise, written into the charter of Islam, as embodied in their most holy and ancient writings, is the implicit understanding that every believer has a sacred duty to work towards the conversion of every human being on the planet. In Islam, whether it be by quiet example or by psychotic violence seems left to the individual- a dangerous precedent indeed. Should we get out of Afghanistan? Absolutely. Should our mistakes lead us to ignore the most elemental contradictions in the idea that Islam can be happily hugged into the fold of humanity without major changes to its behavior towards non-Muslims? If you think so, then in fact YOU are part of the problem.

      August 8, 2011 at 12:56 am | Reply
      • Milan

        Mike....all that you are saying and all people on this forum, looks so much alike what was Hitler saying and Nazi party in Second ww. Jews were terrorists at that time. Nothing changed since WW2. Same idea different boots. Watch out, Jews will take over the world, we have to make sure they do not take over our race. bla bla bla. No wonder those ideas are same as US took all nazi scientists in operation paper clip after WW2 and one of them even became head of NASA. Wake up America you are becoming Nazi.

        August 8, 2011 at 2:40 am |
      • bbrecht

        Mike. excellent analysis. US policy does have to take into account the historical and social behavior of groups (nation states or more amorphous religious states). The treatment of women, minorities and non-Muslims in Islamic countries is atrocious.People are regularly stoned to death, their limbs cut off and tortured. Islamic countries simply do not practice "fairness/justice/compassion" the same way as any other modern religion or country. Of course there are moderate and sensible people in Islamic countries. Unfortunately, the moderates have not been able to prevent radicals in their own countries exactly because Islam glorifies conversion by "book or by sword" – so in their minds its OK to do either. In contrast, moderate Americans make sure that radical groups like the KKK or skinheads are kept in check....ditto for almost all other countries including Russia and China. Bottom line: we cannot realistically expect to have stable and trustworthy alliances with Islamic countries unless (like Turkey) their own governments keep Islam in check.

        August 8, 2011 at 7:50 am |
  40. Anita

    This incident punctuates the loss of all soldiers. America please keep the promise to care for all soldiers and families.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:33 am | Reply
  41. Greg

    This is a tragic loss for the SEALs as well as the other soldiers involved. If the rumors are true and these SEALs were from DEVGRU or Seal Team Six then it is an even greater loss. I truly hope that the Navy wises up and looks into other methods of quickly deploying SEALs because this is the SECOND TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED!!! Chinooks are deathtraps for our special forces! This time it was 31 soldiers, in Operation Red Wings 6 years ago we lost 16 special forces soldier when their Chinook was hit by an RPG. THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO!

    It's time for the Navy to wise up and start deploying multiple teams from separate choppers. In Vietnam our SEALs killed 200:1, now we are loading them up on to these deathtraps and hoping for the best. It isn't working! A Chinook bringing in troops is so loud that these insurgents literally have 5-10 minutes from the time they hear the rotors until it lands to deploy! They can't even fast rope out like other choppers. They have all the time in the world to get ready with their RPG's and shoot our guys out of the skies.

    I hope the 70 million dollars for the 2 Chinooks and 47 lives that the Navy has lost in these 2 moronic operations finally hit's home, cuz it definitely didn't the first time. F-ing stupid.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:25 am | Reply
    • SpeakingFromExperience

      Greg
      In remarks to your comments. Why is a CH-47 a death trap compared to other aircraft? How do you assume mulit-infiltration and exfiltration methods would have been more successful? Did you help plan the mission, are you assuming these issues where not thought out? You can fast rope out of a CH-47, dont make foolish comments, fast roping creates a longer target profile, this makes no sense. How do you assume that an insurgent has all the time in the world to fire an RPG rocket? Have you been in combat, have you used a CH-47 during a mission, I have, about 60 times....never an issue for me. You state the enemy can "hear" the blades of a CH-47 5-10 minutes prior to infil/exfil? At a tactial crusing speed of 130 mph, roughly you are saying they can hear the aircraft approach from 10-20 miles out, in mountainous terrain? Really? This is not a video game or a movie, nothing is perfect, you people act like you talk from experience when really you have no base to lay your claims or "expertise" on.

      A gent earlier asked why we had no ISR, or pred on station during this. Really, you think we dont use pred and multiple other ISR platforms during these high profile missions? Everyone has the right to an opinion, but think before you type, you may be making yourself to look foolish, especially when guys who can "speak from experience" know the truth...you are aggravating people who do this stuff for real. Leave the real work to the big boys and do youself a favor and stop with dumb comments.

      August 8, 2011 at 2:00 am | Reply
      • Greg

        I'm not going to lower myself to getting in a firefight with someone over the internet. I'm looking to enlist 3 months from now and have studied SEAL training and any declassified missions from their almost 50 years of service now. Name a book written by a SEAL and I've read it.

        So, knowing how much success they've had in the past it sucks to see so many get killed when things could more than likely have been executed differently. A DEVGRU soldier more than likely has 5+ years in the SEALs alone under their belt. That's alot of well trained guys to put together and lose to a $30 RPG round.

        August 8, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
      • SpeakingFromExperience

        Exactly what I thought.....make sure you explain how educated you are off "Navy SEAL" books when you show up your first day of basic....dude....you need to be humbled......you could never stand off with me or any other operator....even if you are lucky and make it though, which its safe statistically so say you want, the first thing you will be told is "shut your mouth and learn", and I advise you to do just this....cause you need to be humbled...bro I am an operator....so learn to respect.

        August 11, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
  42. Adam G

    I grew up and went to school with one of the seals that died in this awful tragedy. Even as kids he always want to be a navy seal. I think he would be grateful for all the good things that have been broadcasted about him, but at the same time he would be upset that we are not talking about all of those who died with him. That is the type of guy he was. Thanks Aaron for your service and sacrifice.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:20 am | Reply
  43. mimiAndJimi

    1. all day i thought of this..i'm angry, but want to make sure these guys are remembered well..
    2. these guys are the modern day '300 spartans'. may they rest in peace, as they are better than most - be well, wherever u might be..
    3. i think they died mostly because we have to be sensitive to those afghans dopes, and not allowed to bomb them from the air, in case one of their civilian dies..so we have to send man on the ground to kill only the maggots, and not their sister..
    4. they probably died because i think the helis flew in/out the same way, same path, so i guess one of those maggots waited for the helis to return, and shot it...i hope they fly more random..but hey what do i know..i hate to see a repeat..
    5. stop the infighting, it only helps the enemy..
    6.any day i would rather have 20 congressman/senate die than these guys..
    7. i'm really sad, man...

    August 8, 2011 at 12:16 am | Reply
  44. David D.

    I hope we stop putting more than 8 of these guys on a chopper at the same time. They are just too valuable.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:14 am | Reply
  45. Marine will

    Simper Fi!

    August 8, 2011 at 12:13 am | Reply
  46. Hanna

    Rest In Peace! Thank You for Serving with Grace.
    You will be missed.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:13 am | Reply
  47. Sgt. Rich

    I never tend to comment, but I have to give the author of this article solid FU. As a soldier, I must remind you that our primary duty is to kill people and break things. And once more, special ops are the best murderers and destroyers. This is tragic, of course. But its monsters killing monsters. That's what we all are. How many bodies has this group piled up? Im guessing more than 30. You probably tugged a lot of heart strings with your piece. Congrats. But we chose this.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:09 am | Reply
    • eg

      dogs of war

      August 8, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
  48. atabrigade

    Bless these warriors.wish it was 30 dead politicians.

    August 8, 2011 at 12:05 am | Reply
    • altposaune

      I concur.

      August 8, 2011 at 12:51 am | Reply
  49. Sun chicago

    Please do remember other country loving men and women besides these 22 brave souls who lost their lives on that day.... they all need equal respect!!!

    August 7, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
  50. jess

    but we love our country right?

    August 7, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Jeremy

      No. we are just scared to stand up to them. Along with the rest of the supposive free world. If we loved our country we would stop allowing illegal immigrants and back room deal making politicians and lawyers to ruin every aspect of our free society

      August 7, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Reply
  51. steve

    CNN – how DARE you compare a Navy SEAL to a pro athlete. Poor Journalism at its worst. Just shows how disconnected you are. CNN should retract this article. The difference between the two are NAVY SEALS don't hitch about only making 12.9 MILLION dollars. They don't get free cars, free invitations to special events. They don't get endorsements and they don't have hall of games. What they do have are people shooting at them trying to kill them everytime they go to work. If they do have wives and children (due to the 90% divorce rate) they kiss their wives and kids goodbye not knowing if it will be the last time they ever have that opportunity. They do everything under total secrecy, and they never get recognition, spotlight, or press conferences to tell them they did a job well done. They get paid the same rate of pay as the as anyone else within that rank, who gets hazardous duty pay. I'm outraged that this comparison was published. Maybe the point of it all is that there IS no comparison to make the average reader understand what they do. As a journalist, you should be a shamed of your comparison, and that you didn't know better to accept the fact that there just isn't any...

    Wish peace to the families of those who died, and to my fallen shipmates. 😥

    August 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Not really sure why everyone is so focused on a single analogy in the piece. The writer said "good examples of the kind of elite status bestowed on the SEALs." If you think about the analogy, in the sports world pro athletes hold the highest esteem, in the military world, SEALs hold some of the highest esteem. Seems like a pretty decent analogy to me. Does that mean that SEALs get millions, work a pro athletes schedule, get the recognition? No. But, that is not the analogy the author made. Writing is not an exact science. Overall, I thought the article was written well enough and highlighted the magnitude of this loss.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      90% divorce rate? Lol, what?

      And Mike is abosolutely correct.

      August 8, 2011 at 12:01 am | Reply
    • ben

      I really hope you don't have a job that requires reading comprehension and critical thinking.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:11 am | Reply
      • humberto

        He probably planned the mission .

        August 8, 2011 at 3:06 am |
  52. Jeremy

    What would happen if nobody voted in the next election? Would they just pick a president anyway? Wake up. Your government owns you. USA = Universal Socialist Agenda. A vote for nodobdy is a vote for liberty. A free society cannot exist within a governing body.

    August 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Reply
    • God_Is_Homicidal

      Whatever you do Jeremy, please don't vote in the next election. Learn what the word socialism actually means first before speaking. Socialism picks up your garbage, provides security and safety (police and fire depts), public schooling, etc. Get it?

      August 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Reply
      • Jeremy

        Lol another miguided soul. Keep voting for your masters and you will always be a slave to them. You welfare loving nig

        August 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
      • Jeremy

        And for the record, I hope a cop gets shot in the face tonight.

        August 7, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • tim

      you are welcome to leave this country if you don't like it. by all means, no one would care if you leave. also, make sure you don't call the cops when you need one ok? take care of your own problem YOURSELF ok?

      August 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
    • (o)

      You want to know what is wrong with this country? Look in the mirror
      Aszhole

      August 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
      • Jeremy

        Wrong

        August 8, 2011 at 12:12 am |
    • altposaune

      Perhaps you didn't notice how many "socialist" countries didn't have their credit rating downgraded by S & P last week.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:05 am | Reply
    • Taylor

      Get a really warm tent and coat and sleeping bag and move to Antarctica. No government and no rules. If That'snot good enough I suggest you invent a really good rocket since your so smart and make it to the moon or Mars. By the way I am white, I am not on welfare and I don't have a lot of love for the government but if you think there is a better one out there then move there. Or invent that acme rocket. I thank God I'm white. I don't date marry or have sexual relations outside my race and I hate illegal immigration with a passion. . I'm telling you all this to demonstrate I probably have the same views as you, and I can tell by your words your The type of dumbass that makes skinheads look more pathetic than any black gang banger who lives to sell drugs rob and murder and Mexican gang members who kill because they don't get the respect they dont deserve. It's pretty hard to be more pathetic than a piece of shit Mexican gang banger but you might be. Regardless of government, soldiers have more honor than you or I whether their white black Mexican native American or anything else.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:22 am | Reply
    • modeldon

      According to the rabid crackpot teaparty and Republicans we don't need a goverment. And they pledge their lives and scred honor to super crackpit grover Norquist. And of course wars for the rich are free.

      And this wild spending. Yep. 2 billion a week for operations like this. And obviously not just money was lost. Crazy beyond belief.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:34 am | Reply
  53. Tom

    Isn't the American military all voluntary?

    August 7, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Reply
    • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

      May those of you lucky enough to never have been touched by the effects of this
      "never ending war" have a good night,
      Either or, call your government
      Get on the horn! Wake the fr;s up

      August 7, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Yes. They are mercenaries.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Yes, the military that provides the very blanket of freedom that allows you to go online and post stupid comments like this, is completely voluntary. Good thing so many people love their country or you'd be screwed...huh...

      August 7, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Reply
      • modeldon

        Don't see any rich on the line and they don't even pony up to pay the taxwes to support the volunteers. Wars,austerity,spending cuts=job cuts,that is for the little people.

        August 8, 2011 at 1:37 am |
  54. From India

    Let peace be upon the fallen. They fought a good fight. I dont know about Iraq, but AF is a needed war. If you dont fight there , the terrorists are going to come to US more freely. They will open more training camps in AF . These people want to terrorize the whole world. Loss of elite commandos is definitely a set back, but I think SEALs will come back with better strategies, so that terrorists can't be second time lucky. I have seen similar incident in which an Indian Police commando force called GreyHounds who always got the better against Maoists terrorists in India, but in one incident nearly 50 men were killed when their boat was ambushed, because they came back in the same trail in their return journey, making it ripe for an Ambush. Hope SEALS did not do the same mistake.

    August 7, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

      you work for the gov or the press? right? You are not worth my time!

      August 7, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Our military commanders and planners are not very bright. They used an old "workhorse" giant helicopter instead of smaller very mobile crafts. Bigger is not better. But our generals lost every war since Korea, and Korea was a draw. We could have gotten the same result without a US military.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Reply
  55. Michael B.

    A very similar incident happened a few years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings

    This is a well-known ambush tactic used by the insurgents, to draw out high-value targets so they can be engaged on the insurgents' terms. I believe the VC used similar tactics in Vietnam. How many Chinooks full of operators must we lose before we learn to counteract this tactic?

    Addendum: Another similar incident: http://defenceoftherealm.blogspot.com/2009/08/chinook-shot-down.html

    August 7, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Reply
  56. southern_gent_from_mississippi

    I grew up with a gent whos in the special forces and Ive been over when he would have his get togethers with his co-workers. One thing that always got me was thier attitude. They may be the best th military has to offer but theyre not humble about it. And Im talking about men in their 30s and 40s. Personally, I find nothing honorable about military men who hide a half mile away and murder people with their long range sniper rifles or send cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away. When our enemy does the same thing, our leaders call it cowardly attacks. Would love to see our military get back to the basics that made the usa a superpower. Maybe going face to face with our enemy like we did in yesteryears would garner us a little of the respect that weve lost over the years.

    August 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • lenny

      have you been over there...I have..the enemy over there has no face...this isnt vietnam...its 2011...

      August 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Reply
    • CH-47D Pilot

      Go Fuck yourself

      August 7, 2011 at 11:19 pm | Reply
    • John S

      You sir, are foolish.
      In a war, you use every advantage you have, because that is what keeps you and your buddies alive. There is no fair fight! To engage in a "fair" fight is to gamble the lives of yourself and everyone you are responsible for!

      August 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • jappleby4

      Southern gent, the operations in afghan are about eliminating threats to American security while using our advantages to protect soldiers lives. If that means firing from long distances, then so be it. If you want to question the mettle of men that kick in doors and advance through fire, you should sign on the line and go fill the boots of one of our fallen. Maybe you could dress up like General Lee and show the taliban some chivalry, Dumbass.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Uh Dude, this isn't Call of Duty on the Xbox. You just effectively called our military a bunch of 'campers.' Tell you what, when you get out of high school, go enlist. Then sit there on the front lines and tell me snipers are cowards...

      August 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Reply
    • kenneth

      You are a moron.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
    • Taylor

      So you respect towel heads who fly jets into buildings and set bombs and run away? You must love suicide bombers! Their not brave their insane and your stupid. I guarantee a seal is not afraid of hand to hand combat. If your so brave fight one please! Then noone will have to listen to your BS. I must be a coward because I think places like Iran north Korea and that tribal west side of Pakistan should be nuked. Soldiers and especially seals are hero's regardless of what you, I or any one else thinks of our government. Soldiers protect you and me and every other American and millions of innocent People around the world some of whom like you who don't deserve it. I'm not saying I deserve it either but the soldiers still do it. Regardless of whether it's a fight the government should send them to or not They fight and risk their lives for The cause Anyway. They fight and risk their lives for People in third world places that I wouldn't leave the comfort of my air conditioner for. They are heroes. I feel ashamed when I think about all the great things They do and the pointless shit I do or don't do. I also feel ashamed for you. Why don't you take a vacation hiking in the mountains of Iran?

      August 8, 2011 at 12:00 am | Reply
    • SpeakingFromExperience

      Southern gent..
      I wanted to stay away from harsh comments. But judging by your comments you are about as stupid as they come, and frankly with the brain on your shoulders you would be lucky to survive 5 minutes in a hostile environment. Maybe you should spend some time reading and less time poundering your 3rd grade level thoughts....you make war sound so easy...we use TACTICAL ADVANTAGE so we can win and return home....your fellow Americans pay tax dollars to ensure we are train and equiped to give us the edge.....and by win I mean body count.....so dont twist this post to some political rant.....I want you to know that next time you have to balls, why dont you tell your "friend" what you think along with his war buddies around in the same room.....you will prob revieve a fist from every direction at the same time....you want be able to defend yourself because so many fist will be presecuting your head, ie your face, side of our face and back of your head....this is an example of TACTICAL ADVANTAGE....your are defenseless.....but like most....I am sure you only have balls behind the security of you computer screen.....coward.

      August 8, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
    • AirForceContractor

      I think everyone else has pretty much already drilled into the ground how stupid your comment was but there is one other thing to point out. The basics that made us a superpower? It wasn't hand to hand combat and looking your enemy in the eye that did that. Yes our troops are a huge part of why we're a superpower but the other part is because we're able to give them the best equipment that can help them stay out of harms way. Air Superiority with bombs, missiles and such, long range artillary and surface to surface missiles. Snipers are also a part of that, they aren't cowardly, they are doing what they do best to help their fellows remain safe. And if there was any single event that can be looked back at and truly solidified the U.S. as a "superpower" it was the development of the atomic weapon, which is quite the opposite of what you suggest made us a "superpower."

      August 8, 2011 at 4:28 am | Reply
    • carolyn boyd

      Couldn't agree more.Why glorify a culture of war.I think you people are nuts

      August 8, 2011 at 5:32 am | Reply
  57. Name*Tom

    Yes

    August 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Reply
  58. Phillip

    I like to state you cannot compare the training of a SEAL to some guy or gal who plays sports! How dare you compare the two, when one gets paid well no matter how well he or she preforms and works a few days of the week for a few hours at a time. There is no comparison! You comparison is like taking a an orange and telling people its a Steak! The US Military as a whole cannot be compared to a sports guru, or vice versa. But you make it sound they are linked in some form or matter. Seals go thru the hardest training a man could ever imagine. What you see in the movies is not even close to what happens, and each person's experience is different and they have to figure out how to adapt. I
    Maybe your right, both are selective in nature. But in the game, how many players are killed in the profession...and no...not off the field...on the field? One maybe two a year if that...how many Seals die a year...more often that you know...and most cases, no one ever knows except the government and the family affected.
    So before you (Mr Editor) decide to compare my brothers and sisters in arms, do not compare me to some jock who gets paid 1000's of times more in cash for something that we take for granted while I serve and defend what you take for granted!

    August 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • adam

      Thank you for serving Phillip. I agree, no one should compare the two, but I do hope the editor was trying to help the average lay person understand how much more ELITE the Seals are than infantry. Is it common to put 22 seals in a chinook (or other copter) and fly them into heavy enemy territory? Seems extremely risky and as we've seen, a huge loss with one incident.

      God Bless America and Godspeed to those serving.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • God_Is_Homicidal

        Actually, I think "God" was responsible for killing the soldiers....

        August 7, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
      • God_Is_Homicidal

        Both sides believe in the same God, no?

        August 7, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Aaron

      Relax, the writter of this article did nothing to compare them besides explain how looked up to the Seals are in the military world... its really actually a good example

      August 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • Steve

        NO, it's not. Having served and worked with Seals for years, I can tell you the 'journalist' (use that term loosely) missed the boat. The point is – there IS no way to compare what they do.

        August 7, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
  59. vicotor mike

    SEAL s lost is a loss to whole world . tribute mus be made to the unsung hero's of all wars

    August 7, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Reply
  60. alex

    I had no problem with the article. I am currently in the states on R & R and im at a loss for words at the tragic death of my fellow brothers. While Opsec/Persec does not allow me to divulge methods or practices for Special Ops, I can tell you the Chinook is a good bird. Please stop all your Monday Morning Quarterbacking. These SEALS, COMBAT CONTROLLERS and others are the finest individuals in the world. Ive had the opportunity to work with many of these wonderful men. My heart aches for their families. Anyone wanted to donate to the Navy Seal Foundation, please go to http://www.nswfoundation.org

    August 7, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Reply
    • CH-47D Pilot

      Thank you Alex for posting that site... These men were Giants among men but their families are in pain and will need help. Shame on all of the left wing trolls who would use this story to spew your rants. Please don't forget the Air Force Combat controllers or the Reserve aircrews, their families need support too.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Reply
  61. Brian

    The SEALS are trained to kill people with their bare hands. The first thing they do is gouge their eyes out. A covert operation is not a pretty picture.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Reply
    • cdogg

      ? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

      August 7, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Reply
  62. cdogg

    Try lining up 1,500 pairs of boots and you will see how stupid this war was from the get go.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • CH-47D Pilot

      Your right, 11 SEP 2011 was just a bad dream.....It never happened. The enemy has a vote on how we fight, never forget that.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Reply
      • Wow

        What does September 11th have to do with our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan 10 years later?!?

        August 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • CH-47D Pilot

      Your right, 11 SEP 2001 was just a bad dream.....It never happened. The enemy has a vote on how we fight, never forget that.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Reply
    • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

      we have lined up 5,000 pairs of boots in our little Franklin county. We have felt not only the loss of a life, but our young men come home lifeless... can you help with that?

      August 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Reply
      • cdogg

        Yes you can help. Stop voting for idiots who support these pointless wars!

        August 7, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
      • Steve

        Uh.... CDogg – in all fairness, ANY politician would have come in and said they would have gotten our troops outta there.

        http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4WYTKj8pU5M&h=TAQDCr5lKAQDmRx8KoA4lX8f2hoErw2_P2mCPxThw81Mhyg

        Now, I didn't vote for this moron (let's be real, there wasn't really anyone worthy on our last ballot), but, I did serve my country and helped keep it a place that allows me to call him that. Having said that, I think alot of people heard the BS spew outta Obama's mouth time and time again and got sold a bill of goods that he NEVER delivered on. DOn't believe me, watch that Youtube video...

        August 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • Phillip

      True, but who is to say that we did not get our man...and how we did wipe out more of the evil than if we stood by and did nothing at all!

      August 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Reply
      • cdogg

        For every "terrorist" we kill we create 10 more in their brothers, fathers and sons.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    • lt

      30 soldiers died. God bless them all. They serve for our freedom.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Reply
    • God_Is_Homicidal

      Try lining up 200000 pairs of shoes on the other side, of all the people our military has killed....

      August 7, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Reply
      • Taylor

        Good I hope They kill every last one of them if they have to kill 2 billion.

        August 8, 2011 at 2:21 am |
  63. Jennifer

    Right on. These soldiers would be any peace & freedom loving country's Dream Team. Thank you to them and to their famailies who have given us more than any words can express.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Reply
  64. James

    These seals were killed in the bin laden raid. The military is covering up their deaths. To any seals reading you have a duty to speak out about this. Anyone who doubts me just think about this. Look into it further. I promise you we are being lied to right now. Rip to the seals who died. Shame on the us government for dishonoring their memory.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      This is a pretty ignorant statement.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Reply
      • th3ory

        extremely ignorant, what basis do you have for this claim what so ever?

        August 7, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
      • Igoogleit

        Not an ignorant statement, Jason. A very true statement, Jason! Obama is covering up a lie that he captured and killed bin Laden on the day that his real fake birth certificate hit the media...look it up! Bin Laden has been dead since 2001.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm |
      • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

        I would have to agree Jason.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
    • Kalstar

      Not true.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Reply
      • Kalstar

        I knew one of the Seals personally. Best if you keep your coments truthful.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
      • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

        Really, who the f cares? As long as me, you, us, them or they ever fn hears that fn name again!

        August 7, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • adam

      James, you dishonor every SEAL and every American serving with your stupid conspiracy theory that is aimed at discrediting Obama. Take your politics elsewhere. The death of Osama was confirmed by high up GOP and DEMs, how ignorant, disgraceful/disgusting and stupid you are. I wish nothing but bad things for you in the future. You are not American, you are a coward and a waste of space.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Reply
      • humberto

        Them toilet politicians wanted pictures too.

        August 8, 2011 at 12:27 am |
  65. Stefan

    That is a VERY bad comparison between athletes and Navy Seals, Jim!!! "There's a direct correlation because professional athletes are good examples of the kind of elite status bestowed on the SEALs." Say what, those are soldiers that fight for freedom, show an athlete that does that and for the pay these soldiers get paid.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Reply
    • Doyle

      Read it again you're missing the point. Jim is not comparing pro athletes to seals... Duh! He's saying pro athlete is to everyday sports as Navy Seal is to everyday soldier. Best of the best. He's using athletes as a metaphor because you will never see a SEAL. Use some logical reasoning moron!

      August 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Reply
      • humberto

        If they did that, Drones would have scouted the area first.

        August 8, 2011 at 12:31 am |
      • Stefan

        Calling people moron that is really low!! I understood the point he was trying to make. I still could disagree with his compassion. Is comparing apples with oranges.

        August 8, 2011 at 8:06 am |
  66. Toni C

    Great article. You're right, these guys were at the top of their field; the best of the best. Heisman, SuperBowl Champs, World Series, Stanley Cup. God bless them for being there for us and may they rest in peace.

    August 7, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Reply
  67. abqTim

    Jim LeMay, what a terrible comparison. Most pros like to mention and brag loudly that their pros because pro ball is all about ENTERTAINMENT!!! SEALs are not here for entertainment...what a crappy comparison. SEAL training is waay beyond working hard, the SEAL's lives and the lively hood of the american way of life depend on their training. SEAL's do their job because they like kicking butt and love their country and whatever conviction to the point of willing to die for it, pros do it because they love it and money and whatever, but better or worse it's not for as noble a cause as a SEAL's reason.

    August 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Reply
    • BigMan

      Right on:

      When athletes have a bad day they loose a trophy or a bonus. When SEALs have a bad day, people die…. That is the difference!

      August 7, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Reply
      • DRD

        I think you missed the point... I think he was saying that becoming a SEAL is the equivalent of being a professional athlete. Only a small percentage will reach that level. SEALS and pro athletes are amazing at what they can physically and mentally do. As the son and nephew of ARMY Rangers, I am in awe every day of what these men and women do for us.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
      • bruce6va

        So is "loose" the new spelling of "lose"? So many nowadays seem to make this misspelling. Is it that difficult? Sheesh.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
  68. don

    why would anyone put 20 navy seal's on the same plane?

    August 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Reply
    • CDReckless

      Uh, because they were all going to the same place. It's call tactical insertion to an LZ; not car caravan to the big game. Think of it like this for example: "Say, General, we need to send SEAL Team 6 over here to complete the mission. 22 man team, 22 helicopters. Sound about right?"

      August 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Reply
      • SpeakingFromExperience

        CDReckless
        Nice reasoning. When these units deploy, they dont send each operator on a different C-17 to try to limit the possiblity of an aircraft malfunction or upon entering hostile airspace being shot down, it is not practical, the risk becomes greater the more aircraft you put into the mix. There are always risk vs functionality. Simple is usually the best method vs a complicated plan that will go to hell as soon as one single thing does not go according....simple provides flexability, and that is where the operator works best.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
      • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

        FYI, I just went to another news source, and there was nothing more recent than,
        "Good morning"....I find that poor news. What is the other news source unwilling to admit?

        August 7, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
    • humberto

      What happened to the Drones to scout the area first ? The Brass and CIA too busy playing with them in Nevada or they juat saving money ?

      August 8, 2011 at 12:19 am | Reply
  69. IThankYou

    SpeakingFromExperience, thank you for all you do, and God bless every uniformed member who's sacrificing out there. R.I.P the 22 fallen heroes. I

    August 7, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  70. BJ Bell

    Just flush them down the drain, is this what you would do with your Child or Your money - no you would't, so why is our Country doing this very act - because we have lost our common sense, STOP THESE WARS NOW.

    August 7, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  71. BJ Bell

    My question is this, would you give your life, or your Son or Daughter's life for this war.

    Would you - my answer is not No but Hell NO.......................

    I also wouldn't give your life or your Son or Daughter's.

    August 7, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Reply
    • Papagino

      BJ,

      I don't think you understand what motivates people who serve in our Armed Forces. There is a very real threat beihnd the war in Afghanistan, One of the reminders of that threat is the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 that occurs in just a little over 30 days.

      Would you have your children killed by a terrorist attack? How do YOU stop them to protect your kids? YOU don't. People like these SEALs do. Don't lay the "We can talk to them.." line on me. You can't talk with them, the fanatics behind attacks like 9/11 aren't happy until you are dead or see things their way. How will your wife (assuming you are a man) look in a Burkha? If my assumption is wrong and you are a woman, are you okay with a burkha and your female children not going to school?

      We sleep safely in our beds because rough men are willing to visit violence against men who would visit harm upon us...

      August 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Reply
      • BigMan

        Don't waste your breath. They don't get it. Just like police officers SEALs and other such professionals quietly do their jobs. When they do it well, the criminals / terrorists and other such elements don't become a factor in our lives. They are eliminated before they execute their threats. Most people don't even know the bad guys even existed so they question the need for the military, police etc. Why have the force when there is no threat? Because the force took care of the threat so you don't have to worry your pretty little head about it. To keep the bad stuff in Pandoras box, these guys have to look inside it! BZ to then all...

        August 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
      • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

        Omg Semper FI,

        August 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
      • humberto

        People understand that something must have happened for former trainees of the CIA to go rouge.

        August 8, 2011 at 4:01 am |
    • adam

      ...and no one will remember your name or your children. You are an irrelevant sheep who only cares about self-preservation, the lowest form of being, protected by the exertions of better people.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • MedicMax

      I would give my life, and I have been in those situations where it was on the line.

      And to whether or not my parents would give up my life: They came to the realization long ago that I am an adult, and my life wasn't their's to choose what happens to it.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Reply
      • Donna Allene Ray Bliss

        still here though good for u , keep yacking

        August 7, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
  72. Godspeed

    Man, I was always afraid this would happen. I often thought what a brave American you were and what it must be like for my long time friend to be married to a SEAL, her high school sweetheart. I wondered sometimes what you told your children before you left. But, you seemed so invincible, even when I knew you had seen fellow soldiers lay down their lives. You are gone but not forgotten and we will all revere you as the selfless hero that you are. Thank you for the ultimate sacrifice you made. My deepest sympathies go out to all of the parents, spouses, children and friends of all of these American heroes. You are all so very loved and appreciated. R.I.P. Matt

    August 7, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      It is really sad that the life of these brave guys was sacrificed in vain. Afghanistan is Obama's Vietnam, he assumed responsibility for it. Most of the Afghan population regards the US as invaders and they will help the Taliban to chase us out. The US military loves to invade countries and linger on for ever if they can. We are still in Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan. The French and the Philippines kicked us out. Now we want to have bases in Poland and the Check Republic.

      August 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Reply
  73. BJ Bell

    I hate - with a passion, to see our very best "young lives" destroyed in these senseless wars.

    There hasn't and will never be any good coming out of our starting these wars.

    Just flushing lives and our money down the toilet.

    August 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  74. Amy

    After all of the press about SEALS since Osama was killed and you think the majority of Americans have no clue what a SEAL does? Plus for the past 15-20 years there have been plenty of movies (not saying they are 100% accurate) showing the training that goes into being a SEAL. Since May 2, 2011 there have been more shows broadcast about SEALS and what they do and how they train. So, this author did not do a good job of relating to his audience. Why do I need any analogies to understand the significance of 30 people dying. The last part of the article did that much better than the analogy"

    " To get a visual idea of what their pain will look like; line up 22 pairs of boots or put 22 folded flags in a row. Perhaps then, you will begin to sense the loss."

    August 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm | Reply
  75. Amy

    I do not need sports analogies for me tu understand this loss. I am not being sanctimonious, I am just tired of some professional athletes being help up to a standard they do not deserve. I think the comparison no matter what is reasoning was insulting.

    August 7, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Reply
    • N@TuRn3r

      I think you're out of touch with reality. Most civilians have no clue what it takes to be a SEAL. A good author assumes nothing and uses analogies most readers can relate to.

      August 7, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Reply
    • Dallasman

      I agree that the analogy to 'sport stars' is insulting, to say the least.

      August 7, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Reply
      • humberto

        It's about 30 lives lost, not your ego .

        August 8, 2011 at 12:39 am |
  76. SpeakingFromExperience

    VPS
    Each platform has unique characteristics....2 UH-60's could never carry the load of a CH-47. UH-60 can only carry a load weight of 2640lb, with 4 crew members and 10 troops. Keep in mind due to weight for operational use only 8 or less troops may be able to utilize the space (avg 200lb operator with 50-85lb of gear). Also during planning consider the UH-60 has a max speed of 183 mph, and can only climb at a rate of 700ft per minutes. It is 64ft 10in in length, LZ must be planned accordingly.

    CH-47 is 98ft 10in, only about 1/3 longer. It can travel at 196mph, climb at 1522ft per minute, this making it possible for a quicker exfil in roughly the same area for a LZ/PZ as that of a UH-60. It can carry a crew of 3-4, and carry 33-55 troops maxing out at 50,000lb of men and equipment. It is also faster to exfil off the back of a CH-47 then a UH-60. If you have limited space to infil, and need to get a good number of troops on the ground, which is the case in my experience in Afghanistan, the the CH-47 is your choice.

    CH-47 is a larger target...but it has its positives. Especially is there is only one suitable landing site.

    So on limited space to infil and exfill, giving the number of troops required to complete the mission, plus the factor if you take personel off the objective for intel matters, the CH-47 can handle extra personel....the CH-47 is excellent. Military planners look at everything before deciding of an aircraft to use....

    August 7, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Reply
    • Dan

      CH-47 might have been the right equipment, but putting all those elite Seals in the same transport was incredibly poor planning!!!! My Company will not allow more than a couple of us to fly on the same commercial flight.....why....? Because you never know...., and recovering from that type of loss is extremely difficult. There HAS TO BE a better way to utilize & deploy these incredibly brave, incredibly dedicated military staff.

      August 7, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Reply
      • SpeakingFromExperience

        Under the circumstances which I am assuming, I do not think the CH-47 was a poor choice. This is an isolated instance. Plenty of CH-47's have taken fire and safely moved troops out of harms way. Sometimes there is no "best" aircraft, just deciding which will provide the most limited risk factor. Special operators die each year in training due to malfunctions from equipment and aircraft...its the nature of the game.

        August 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
      • CH-47D Pilot

        Just like replied to VPS...Your an idiot....don't make comments on subjects you know nothing about...Afghanistan is a high/hot combat zone blackhawk's combat loads are limited to 7-9 during these summer months, which is useless for these type of ops. I was based within 10 miles of the accident a year ago and the base altitude is 6,500ft with mountain ridges exceeding 11,000 ft and tops of over 12,000....Night ops are the best option we have and the safest when compaired with day ops. My Company was engaged dozens of times and 6:1 ratio more during the day then to night ops. The Chinook is the safest and most efficient combat lift helicopter in the world and ride of choice for SOCOM... I worked with the Rangers and this Team for a year and I can tell you they are the finest human beings I have ever met and I would not trade the experience for the world... RIP brothers

        August 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
  77. Vps

    CH-47 is a poor choice of helicopter to subject to a hostile combat environment. Why would they choose it instead of taking 2 Blackhawks or something better suited for exposure to enemy fire is beyond me.

    The 2-rotor design has poor manuverability and simply lends itself to a severe, fatal crash when it takes combat damage.

    August 7, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Reply
    • CH-47D Pilot

      Your an idiot....don't make comments on subjects you know nothing about...Afghanistan is a high/hot combat zone blackhawk's combat loads are limited to 7-9 during these summer months, which is useless for these type of ops. I was based within 10 miles of the accident a year ago and the base altitude is 6,500ft with mountain ridges exceeding 11,000 ft and tops of over 12,000....Night ops are the best option we have and the safest when compaired with day ops. My Company was engaged dozens of times and 6:1 ratio more during the day then to night ops. The Chinook is the safest and most efficient combat lift helicopter in the world and ride of choice for SOCOM... I worked with the Rangers and this Team for a year and I can tell you they are the finest human beings I have ever met and I would not trade the experience for the world... RIP brothers

      August 7, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  78. Anonymous

    #1 This is not a game. The NFL metaphor is insulting both to the victims of this crash and to their victims. Something that may come as a shock to many armchair generals is that the U.S. is at war with special forces operating in over 130 countries on a daily basis.

    If you want an empire, you have to sacrifice your young. Congratulations, this is what you wanted. When you are able to mourn both these men and the men who they kill equally, then you will be truly human. In the mean time, please make an attempt to not seem like spoiled rich kids by treating killing like a game.

    August 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Reply
    • Max

      Paul, whatever you think of america/americans, wait till you see the chinese
      in actions, you have seen nothing yet. THey will play the imperial "snatch every resource
      from everyone with any means necessary" to such a degree you cant even imagine right now.
      The things they are doing now, which we dont hear much today, is not a 1/10th of a percent
      of what theyll do in 10 years time to get everything from the world.

      Sure the U.S. can be blame for a lot of things, but i wonder if you guys
      will be as much on the back of China in 10 years(maybe even in 5) when they will
      be 10 times worse and 10 times as arrogant and agressive.

      Time will tell.

      P.S. It makkes me "laugh" when islamists and others have for mission
      to sink the U.S. as the superpower, when its already sinking more and more everyday,
      by itself, and when we all know the real super power in a few years time will be China.
      Why focus so much on a country going down, and not on the real super power
      of the next 70+ years, when folks say they want to target the superpowers?
      I never hear any of them saying how they haveto contain China.
      That i still dont know why its the case. It puzzles me like nothing else.

      August 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Reply
      • Chan

        ...Fear mongering. If there is any threat from China outside its borders (or yeah I know; what it thinks its borders are) it will only be just another case of what the Anglo's did (what goes around comes around) in the name of greed...that eventually lead to Mao and his entire creation. People often seem to forget what China had to go through. Talk shit all you want but whos the new guy on the block. China was the center of the world long before any of us were even getting civilized. People need to stop pointing blame; all countries especially the big kids on the block take shit...its the negative of being on a pedestal. Even tho the US is hated around the world right now; we still give constant aid to other countries; who gives the US aid? And the people that bash us can not see this for its simple; we over stay our welcome. We do great things and then simply in the long run come across as exploiters and occupiers; almost to the point we feel no different then before. (Its the pointing fingers like you that's the problem) Our own country is falling flat on its ass...the great democracy is crumbling no different then the USSR... We need to all evolve w/o the im better and so are my ways mentality. Then People like these brave guys taken out in a way they shouldn't have, don't have to keep dieing. (Especially in this 100% completely needless 10 years of getting no where) Our own existence and direction guarantees no matter what that the very places we so called liberate will be no more friend then enemy's... You want what we have to succeed bring everyone home and get to work on regenerating this country.)
        The work, the saving needs to be done here; not there. This is nothing more then a modern day crusade. If we hadn't been fucking around with peoples lives over there in the first thing. (along with Russia all playing with their lives like chess pieces) they wouldn't be attacking either of us. Then we say we wont give into terrosim; but looks at the changes its caused back home. This was lost before it was started...and now were stuck because withdrawing would send a wrong message...The double sided blade. We need a new quality of leadership in America... I know its hard for an American to see; but many in the world are starting to see dejavu, and the term nazi comes to mind....The German citizens didn't know any better... Seriously get your ignorant patriotism and blind eye towards humanity as a whole out of your ass. Want to save the world; then it must be Human first then American... Same thing goes for saving this country.... Human, American, Party (if at all). Not Party/American > Human.

        August 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  79. SpeakingFromExperience

    mm
    Read my second point please.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:45 pm | Reply
  80. SpeakingFromExperience

    First. They are professional athletes and quiet professionals. Anybody that has done special operations can contest to the toughness of training and the pain endured during a selection process to become part of an elite special operations unit, I estimate 85 – 90% dont make it, and when a sailer/soldier attempts to try out they are in the best shape of their life. As for those who dont know, we dont make pro-athlete salary, but we are paid damn good in relation to the rest of the military, often climbing in rank at a rate that is unheard of in the regular military. Bottom line is we consider ourselves pro-athletes and so do our doctors and support personel. Being a pro-athlete is no based on a salary.
    Second. AngryRick. You say we should not have had that many special operators on a single flight. Why not and what do you know about this subject? Did you think that this is not planned a hundred times with every possible contingency briefed. It is, flooding an insurgent stronghold with more targets (aircraft) is a bad idea, then you have to consider the safty of infiltration, is there enough space available to safely infil/exfil with multiple air platforms, do you risk sending the men in on smaller aircraft and not being able to infil the second group upon the first infil group taking heavy fire, now you have you element split and one is in contact while the other cant land, now you are going to have casualties on the gound and not enough firepower to help them survive....I could go on and on, but point being is that this was well planned and rehersed, and the best and safest solution for the air crew and ground element was considered, briefed and decided on. Nothing will ever go as planned, things happen in war, its not pretty, but it is always possible. It is remarkable the number of successful missions that special operations air and ground units have compared to a few instances such as this one.
    Third. Everyone has political beliefs. We fight and protect your right to have these. Most of us dont care much about the grand political picture, just that we are doing a damn good job, killing the enemy and ensuring we all come home together. Personally we dont get enough respect, especially sense we provide the security blanket in which out fellow American citizens sleep under. Bottom line, we like war, its why we decided to select this career.
    Forth. To Amy. Yes every death is tragic. But where I differ is most the jobs in the military are to support those that go into harms ways, 9 support personel are needed for every soldier that goes into harms way. These support personel are important, but the men that go into harms way are a special breed, and at the tip of the spear are your special operations units, including 160th and many more the public may not be aware of. Bottom line is our life is surrounded by danger, even during training, we are held to a different standard than anyone else in the military, we repeatively perform the most dangerous missions, numbering in the hundreds, day after day....the respect has to be there for operators involved in special operations, we give more back to the country through blood, sweat, tears and life than anybody. My team of 12 has lost 4 men in 2 rotations, another 6 others have earned the purple heart....do the math, that leaves only 2 who have not died or recieved wounds to combat....we make and pay the ulitmate sacrifice for our loved country, and we love it.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Reply
    • A mom

      From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your incredible service and what you do for me and my family.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Reply
    • cretia

      Words seem trite when talking about people like yourself who....are willing to sacrifice for those of us who did not make that choice. But sincerely, and with the deepest gratitude have, I thank you for all that you do, and send my thoughts and prayers to those and their families that did 'give all,'

      August 7, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Reply
    • Terrance Wood

      And we love you. Thank you!

      August 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      Awesome...well said. I'm active duty Air Force and I can't believe I have the privilege to serve in the same military as these guys.....my heart hurts for them and their families. R.I.P.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Reply
    • FatherofNavyChief

      My heart felt thanks to the US Navy, my son for serving, and the SEALS who have fought and died for our nation. I am a retired Air Force Chief and I cannot imagine losing my son to combat. I was a part of Vietnam, and the Gulf conflicts. GOD bless the SEALS, their families, and the US military for keeping us safe in this day and the dangers

      August 7, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Reply
    • SM

      Amazing post, SpeakingFromExperience! Could never thank you enough for your service or feel more fortunate that we have individuals like you out there working for our nation. My best bed is a Beret and though I could never "understand" what it is like, there is no one in the world I respect and admire more. I salute you all.

      August 7, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Reply
    • tc

      "we like war" – war is what makes us animals, and animals humane.

      August 7, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Reply
      • SpeakingFromExperience

        BJ Bell
        How would you end the insurgency? What would you do to have security for the American people? To call it a war is incorrect, war had distinct, clear cut goals and a defined begining and end, we declared the end to the Afghan War with Bush. We are not dealing with a war, we are dealing with and insurgency. They are different.

        I want to remind everyone that besides the Navy SEALs giving their life, the pilots and crew gave their life, the Airforce special operators also gave their life, and 7 Afghan Commandos as well as an interpreter gave thiers.

        The secondary effects from a tradgety such as this are transparent to the public. Families are greiving, Mothers and Fathers are in shock, wifes are devistated, wondering how to explain things to children. Brothers and sisters are trying to plan funerals. Friends are greiving and remembering. Those that personally knew and worked with these operators are prepairing eulogies....and fighting emotions ranging from fear, to anger and revenge, to the next mission at hand. Investigations are soon to follow, to learn from these events....counselor and pastors and descending upon family and members of the unit.....but only time will cover the wound. Only a few Ameicans know how hard it is to return to harms way after losing a fellow soldier, team member, and most importantly friend.....but brave men will continue to perform at levels beyond belief to the American public.....so that others may live and prosper in security. God bless America, I thank every person who has served, will serve and who has supported those that go into harms way....

        August 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
    • formermilitarykid

      Very grim news. Thank you speakingfromexperience for your service and words. Let us know what we can do to support you. As a former 'military kid' whose dad served in another war many decades ago, it is very upsetting to hear disrespect in this day and age that I heard as a kid. There are hundreds of thousands of us military kids and we support and pray for you.

      August 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Reply
    • Dallasman

      Ok, at first I thought it was insulting for the article's writer to make the comparison to 'pro athletes'. But after reading all the misspellings in this post, perhaps they do have much in common: not a whole lot going on upstairs and someone else using their physical abilities for their own agenda.

      August 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • TECH

      @speakingfromexperience those support people that you were talking about, 6 of them died right there with the Operators, yes the guys that flew them there were support. Also 1 of the 4 from the helo crash with ST-4 last year was a support guy. I can only imagine how you treat the support guys if you think you are superior to everyone. We both put our pants on the same way bro, Operators have a tough job, and I know BUD/S is tough, the guys that make it through screening at DEVGRU are some truly awesome dudes. Bottom line you guys would not be doing the incredible things you do without those support guys, I was in the community for a while, most of the Operators I dealt with on a daily basis were much more humble. Anyway this isnt about you or me, its about the brave men that died.

      August 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Reply
      • SpeakingFromExperience

        TECH
        Maybe you misunderstood me or I was not clear. I consider all those serving in special operations units unique, not just the ground operator. I repect and honor all memebers of the military, but I think personally that those involved in special operations, from the flight crew in the 160th, to those brothers in the three letter agency's....place themselves in particular danger over and over again. That exfiltration platform is my best and most valuable friend...how else would I be able to come home to see my family.....to make it clear I consider all those in special operations, regardless of job, important....but especially those involved directly in the mission. I have several friends in the "support" part of the house, and they work just as hard, just in a different way. I do not condider those directly involved in the mission, flight crews, to be support as they are directly involved in the mission and assume just as much danger as myself on the gound.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
      • TECH

        I guess I don't understand your separation of support. There is a big distinction between CS and CSS personnel, CS and even CSS guys are doing a lot of the convoys in theater right now, to deliver supplies to you guys in those remote locations so you can do your job, our lives are on the line just as much as yours out there. AFG is nothing like IRQ, we both know that, convoys are generally more dangerous than a DA, that is not to say anyone can do a DA because you guys do them better than anyone. Im not trying to turn this in to a pissing contest, and I am not trying to be a dick, I think I did misunderstand where you were coming from and I apologize. I aged about 5 years from the stress of supporting the Teams, but that was because I knew how important it was that I did my job, if I didn't do my job right then Operators could have died.

        August 7, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
  81. Westlake Mike

    Why of why.... do we fly big slow easy-target Chinook helo's fill to the brim with America's finest???

    I'm no military expert, but it seems to me, in that terrain, in those conditions, we'd be better-off with agile, smaller craft.

    R.I.P. Dear Brothers!

    August 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm | Reply
  82. Toro

    The writer's intent when making the professional sport analogy is simply to have the readiner relate to the degree of loss. Yes, losing anyone in the combat zone is terrible. However, the impact of losing a platoon commander or battalion commander cuts deeper into the unit and overall military. In this case, we lost an unfathomable group of special operations capable American military men. Never mind the money it cost to train a Seal or Helo tech for that matter. Look at the time it takes to train them, let alone find qualified war fighters.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm | Reply
  83. scr09g

    To those bashing the guy for making a sports analogy, get over your sanctimonious nonsense – because the writer wasn't comparing SEALS to athletes in the ways you all are having a fit over.

    He's making the point that IF a bunch of football players died, the parallel would be a bunch of Heisman winners; it's a simple metaphor so that people can better understand how elite DEVGRU SEALS are. He's not calling them spoiled brats, or egomaniacs, or any of the other ridiculously offbase silliness that some of you are attributing to the writer. – He's simply showing HOW they are THE elite of THE elite, so that one not fully versed in this matter can easily understand it.

    Some people just want to complain about anything, doesn't matter what – a lot of you fit that bill.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Reply
    • Toro

      Exactly, it takes years of military training just to have the privilege to earn the chance at becoming a SEAL. If you're good enough to get through the intial training, and that's a HUGE IF, there is more! The training never stops after that! 22 is a number I can't even begin to estimate the time it'll take just to replace the personnel. The experience the SEALS had can never be replaced.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm | Reply
    • Melissa Cartwright

      Military guys tend to make poor athletes.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Reply
      • Rhonda

        They're too smart.

        August 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
  84. Deep North

    You actually had the nerve to compare an elite fighting force to a bunch of guys who play games for a living...I stopped reading right then and there.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm | Reply
  85. John Galt

    I know several active duty SEALS and they are good men each and every one was my daughters (and his own daughters) soccer coach, another is someone I work-out with both of these men solid, honorable and reliable family men AND the kind of men you want protecting this nation. It is a sad day for these men and the community, my hearts go out to their families. Also have to say that the others in this crash including the combat crontrollers and the helicopter crew were outstanding servicemen.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm | Reply
  86. SM

    I appreciate the respect and admiration you show for the SEALS, few if any deserve it more. However, your article is appauling and inappropriate.... Rest in Peace to all the brave souls on board.

    August 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Reply
  87. Martin

    He states that every loss of the life of someone in uniform is as tragic as the loss of these SEALS, and then he goes on to say why their loss was more tragic. Something tells me they would agree. Ego has a lot to do with this so-called selfless routine. (Yes, I am somewhat cynical. But hey, I'm still here!!).

    August 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Reply
  88. JC Inter

    When we entered a combat unit, any unit, we know the legal rights to shoot and kill will also be upon us from our enemies. Kill or be killed, is the fact of war. The brave soldiers died for what they believe, either the modern elite units or the barefoot militants, they have NO regrets.

    The most importatnt thing for us to do is to make sure our elected govt will take good care of the famlies of the brave ones.

    August 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  89. deb

    Yea I have to agree with most of the posts on here.....comparing any of this country's fighting men and woman to SPORTS egomaniacs is obscene to say the least. Don't think a SEAL or any other soldier can walk off the field demanding millions.

    August 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  90. Trirunner

    HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY COMPARE NAVY SEALS TO PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES????? JUST TWO DIFFERENCES ARE ATHLETES ARE PAID OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO BE ENTERTAINERS. SEALS ARE PAID VERY LITTLE AND THEIR LIVES ARE IN DANGER EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!

    August 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Reply
    • Orlando

      Thank you for making sense. Some people should not even be here opining....thanks one more time !

      August 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  91. AngryRick

    This much talent, professionalism, youth, should have NEVER been put in one aircraft. The OBama war is illegal, we need to get out of there. If the Afgans themselves can't handle it, then it's their problem. I'm so sorry for all these loses.
    Pull our troops home and walk away....enough is enough.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Reply
    • SDN

      Rick: No matter how many times you call it the "Obama War", we all know when and why it started. As the article noted, these losses are no more and no less tragic that any other combat or support death. Most of us would like to think that at times like these, our empathy for those that cared about these young men would transcend politics, especially biased, dishonest politics.

      August 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Reply
    • spikette

      obama's war? really? kinda got this mess handed to him by the chickenhawk republicans, and bushco. amazing the way republicans yell personal responsibility yet refuses to accept any responsibility for their choices... or votes.

      i am so sad for the loss of these men. i am all for calling an end to these useless wars that republicans manufactured and continue to see as the answer

      August 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Reply
      • Travis Bickle

        Wasn't handed to obama.
        obama didn't inherit it.
        obama wanted it, he campaigned for it. you voted for him.
        obama said he would end it-he didn't and he won't.
        obama said he would close gitmo-he didn't he won't.
        obama said he would end tribunals etc for terrorist prisoners. he didn't, he won't.
        obama said he wouldn't expand the war on terror-we now have 5 wars instead of just two wars.
        obama said that terror was a law enforcement issue to be dealt with in US courts-it isn't, it won't be.
        obama is by default a murderer then because he is assassinating terrorists and not bringing them to justice.
        obama crafted a surge just like bush-a surge that obama said wouldn't work, but did one hisself-lol.
        obama has tripled the the use of predator drone strikes on soveriegn nations.-YOU ARE A FOOL.

        August 7, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • deb

      I'm sorry......OBAMA war?!?!?! Where have you been getting your news the past decade? He might be in office but he did NOT put us there.

      August 7, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Reply
      • JG

        Obama didn't put us there. . . but he's be in control for the last 3 years and we're still there. . .

        August 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
      • Travis Bickle

        obama is KEEPING us ther when he said would end it.
        YOU TOO ARE A FOOL.

        August 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • carlin

      Well I voted to Obama on his promise of CHANGE. Candidate Obama promised to end the wars. Once he came into power, he took a u turn. Abu Gharib is still open. Bush era tax cuts are still there. Patriot act is extended. Actually he started more wars in the middle east and extended the Afghan war to Pakistan. Is there any CHANGE that he promised? I blame no one but myself. Now I have no good choice for next election. Both side Dems or Repubs are sold out. May God Save America.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Reply
      • Travis Bickle

        FINALLY a lefty admits the truth!
        You sir are breath of fresh air.
        I woke up politicaly in 1984- the last time I voted.
        Both parties have failed us but ppl still continue to vote...why?????
        Too bad the planes couldn't have hit capitol hill and wh instead of wtc!

        August 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
      • griz5106

        Your memory is not good. During the campaign, Obama promised to draw down in Iraq and expand the effort in Afgan. On these two points at least, he kept his campaign promise.

        August 8, 2011 at 9:07 am |
    • Mike kerns

      Obama's war you in you're blind hatred of the president would stoop to criticize the commander in cheif on a post to recognize the ultimate sacrifice for our country.you who never had the courage to wear a uniform! Should should shut you're piehole! You coward!

      August 7, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Reply
  92. eyes_open

    Anything short of an Operation Linebacker style bombardment along both sides of the Af/Pak border will be an insufficient response. If you're crossing the border, you're dead. Hooah!

    August 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  93. GetAGripMike

    The only thing worse than the tragedy is your uppity, smarmy little attitude about rather irrelevant details given the situation. Get your frikkin' priorities straight and stop whining like a little girl. You want to write an article yourself-knock yourself out. Otherwise shut your hole.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Reply
  94. harvdog

    How can one possibly compare losing athletes in an accident to the best of the best in a "war". When one needs to make that analogy just insults anyone of intelligence.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Reply
    • Amy

      I hope the families of anyone killed will not read this article. I hate sports analogies. They are so overdone and cliche. As stated in previous comments athletes should NEVER be compared with any military personnel. Remember O.J. Simpson won the Heisman Trophy. What is the point of this article? That somehow the deaths of the SEALS is more tragic b/c of their special training? Every death is tragic and unnecessary. We should get the hell out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

      August 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm | Reply
      • Travis Bickle

        not EVERY death is tragic.
        what are you? like 15 years old?

        August 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
      • Amy

        Travis I can see you are the sort who enjoys posting comments to stir the pot. Every death in war is tragic. The comment was made in context to the story. Why must you try to insult people to make a point? So, not needed.

        August 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
  95. John

    May God be with them, their families, and their friends always.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  96. shambly

    It sure is terrible when people die. Any people... especially people that are NOT carrying guns with intention to kill others with those guns.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Reply
    • cretia

      Why would those not carrying guns deserve more honor than those who...through the carrying of a weapon, make it possible for you and I to sit here, of our own free-will, pondering the very lives they offered up as a sacrifice? That was more rhetorical than a real question- I already know the answer.

      August 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Reply
      • uh huh

        Because those big bad soldiers are just bottom of the barrel high school jocks who want to make real life a videogame.

        August 7, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
      • shambly

        High-technology assaults in third-world countries have nothing to do with "our freedom". What if we just used drones for everything? Would it feel more wrong that way? Or would we just be missing out on some headlines to keep us going...?

        August 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
      • humberto

        Depends which side they were on .

        August 8, 2011 at 12:54 am |
      • humberto

        And that's the whole problem that still hasn't been adressed by the ... planners .

        August 8, 2011 at 1:20 am |
      • humberto

        What happens if your out of uniform ?

        August 8, 2011 at 1:33 am |
      • humberto

        How come they don't wear the same picnic table hats ?

        August 8, 2011 at 1:53 am |
      • humberto

        for a certain area .

        August 8, 2011 at 1:59 am |
      • David

        @ Uh-huh, you are another retard psoting dribble about something you know nothing about. I know a SEAL who died years ago, and have been to thier training center in San Diego. You call them bottom of the barrel high school jocks, but I dare you to try and beat them at anything from Chess to a fist fight. My money is them kicking your a**, hands down. All you got is a lame brain comments, a computer srceen and a keyboard.

        August 8, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  97. Navy Mike

    And please do not ignore the members from the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment) who gave their lives as well. For those not familiar with the 160th, these were the guys flying the Blackhawks in the Battle of Mogadishu back in 1993.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Reply
    • Chris in Bronx

      I grew up with one of the Army soldiers who died along side the SEALs yesterday. His name was Patrick Hamburger. All 30 of these fine men will rest in the good grace of whatever created this universe.

      August 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm | Reply
  98. An American.

    For God and Country these troops gave their all. May they rest in eternal peace.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Reply
    • cretia

      Amen.....

      August 7, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  99. Navy Mike

    1. It's North Island Naval Air Station in Coronado, CA, not Coronado NAS. 2. The SEALs are actually based at the Naval Amphibious Base to the south not on NAS North Island. 3. The east coast SEAL base is in Little Creek, VA, near Norfolk. Please be accurate.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Reply
  100. Beadlesaz

    My deepest sympathies to the families and friends of these fallen heroes.

    August 7, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • fact

      Not to discredit the Brave Men that perished (RIP) but all of these story boards are all twisted up and paint a false picture. The true facts will probably never come out due to the nature of quiet professionals.

      August 7, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Reply
      • Paul

        The facts are that 30 Americans and 8 Afganis gave their lives doing what was asked of them. For these SEALs, soldiers, and their families that's all that matters. Godspeed to them all. Let's settle the politics somewhere else.

        August 7, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
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