June 23rd, 2011
02:39 PM ET

Official: Materials Obama mentioned show bin Laden’s concern over al Qaeda’s image

A U.S. official says letters found at the compound in Abbottabad suggest that Osama bin Laden was very concerned that the West had been able to “reframe” al Qaeda’s image. For instance, the officials said, bin Laden was worried that the West had shortened the name of the group from al Qaeda al Jihad, which he believed would prevent Muslims from identifying with the group.

The official says letters between Ayman al Zawahiri and bin Laden also show that bin Laden was very concerned that al Qaeda in Iraq was damaging al Qaeda’s image with attacks that killed civilians.

In addition, says the official, senior figures in al Qaeda expressed concern that the organization had lost a lot of its top leadership over the past two or three years, and that their bench of seasoned skilled leaders wasn’t that deep.

The official characterizes the letters as “relatively recent,” and says some were written earlier this year.

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  25. david

    i dont know if anybody will post here again, but i just keep hearing im wearing a tin foil hat. anybody want to prove me wrong that 9/11 was an inside job? if im so crazy and it was clearly al qaeda that carried out 9/11, then it should be fairly easy to prove it.

    June 26, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  26. david

    if its still unclear what im saying here you go. george w bush and others should be arrested immediately for crimes against humanity for ordering 9/11 to happen. tony blair admitted they did not have proof to take to court that osama bin laden ordered 9/11 to happen. i do have overwhelming direct evidence that proves bush ordered 9/11 to happen. clear now?

    June 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Reply
    • Trixybelle

      That til foil hat is very becoming.

      June 25, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Reply
  27. kaci

    we was more worried about his porn collections than his image.

    June 25, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Reply
  28. lou50

    after what he caused in this country, how could anything ruin his organization's image any more. he wasn't spreading happiness and good will!

    June 25, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  29. Randoms

    I believe that he was killed. I just think it was really pathetic that the intelligence ageny posted that there was porn. Makes me wonder now, why didn't they just shut-up with the victory. I was comfortable till I heard that claptrap.

    June 25, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Reply
  30. Ursus Rexx

    Hilarious!!
    I read about this 're-invention by corporate name change' strategy on a couple of sites and I was INSTANTLY reminded of Benedict16th's comment, to the effect of , "...Needs to remove the filth from the church" or some such nonsense; While, simultanously, paying $500/hr. lawyers to attack every rape victim & family that has the heroic stones to demand monetery compensation, since a church that has lost it's own innocence can hardly expect 'credibility', during their token, 'in-name-only' effort to 'restore' children's innocence.
    Perhaps...
    If AlQuaida &or, the Catholic church, are interested in restoring the religions they claim to speak for, they could pass a new 'fatwa / dogma' that would say something like: "Under NO circumstances can a believer kill / injure / have 'child sex' with any other human in the name of (name of 'Deity/Deities_Of_Choice' inserts here...)!"
    These organizations have another, darker choice:
    They can step up to the plate or continue with the status quo!
    In the next 1-200 years, humanity will see a 1-2 billion (each) religious organization reduced to the last elderly priest / imam, in ceremony, with the last, equally elderly parishioner / jihadi...
    It's called 'believer-attrition', or 'Self-Extinguishment', (aka, organizational suicide), and corresponds nicely to the Darwin 'change or die' bio-concept, ('evolution')!

    June 25, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • David

      what the hell are you smoking. Why so much hate for religion, yes a lot of bad things have been done in the name of religion, but a whole lot of good has been done also. When you have extremism, it is an abomination to that religion. Also you better put your aluminum cap back on or the aliens will read your mind.

      June 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Reply
      • WC1

        Organized religion is responsible for 90% of all bad things to ever fall on humanity.
        All religions are evil cults regardless of what you say.

        NO RELIGION = PEACE

        June 25, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
      • joe

        just because you attend mass every sunday doesnt mean you are a bloodthirtsy religious fanatic....nice display of ignorance WC1. btw here is a list of things that are bad or have caused harm to humanity that arent related to religion: WW1, WW2, slavery, civil war, famine, drought, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, ethnic cleansing, human trafficking, poison gas, guns , bombs, fire, nuclear weapons and radiation, animal attacks, and the list goes on.......... while some problems/conflicts have been a direct result of EXTREMIST (remember the term) religious groups its no where near the amount that you believe it to be

        June 25, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
  31. TLB

    If I were a muslim, I would be ashamed of Alquida and anyone who is associated with them. They have caused all muslims to be feared, discriminated against and hated. They are more an enemy to them than to other peace loving people of any faith. Nothing will improve Alquida's image because there are too many images burned in everyone's minds about the autrocities they committed.

    June 25, 2011 at 11:46 am | Reply
    • Cyrus

      You don't know any Muslims, do you?

      There are about 1.1 billion Muslims and they are diverse in practices, beliefs, cultures. Indonesian Muslims are very different from the Saudis, and there isn't anything common between Somalian Muslims and the ones in Russia. Out of this 1.1 billion people, less than 0.001% follow a perverted version of Wahabism (Wahabism isn't Islam) and go about blowing people up. To them, they are the true believers and everyone else, including fellow Muslims, are infidels. They are no different than the crazies in Waco or the fanatic Christians in Romania, India or Uganda who plan to cleanse the earth. The remaining Muslim population lives and breathes like we do, busy raising a family, and making a living in this world just like you and I. They neither condone Al Qaeda and other terror groups, nor do they go blow sh*t up.

      After 9/11 the Western media showed a few hundred lunatics in the Muslim world dancing on the street, but not a single media outlet covered rallies in many Muslim countries, candle-light vigils, and mass prayers for the victims. We are made to believe that Laden is some mythical hero to all Muslims and all of them are just crazy...like some sleeper cell waiting to be activated anytime. It's mind-numbing and stupid.

      Just my two cents.

      June 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Reply
  32. krehator

    Purposely killing innocent people doesn't give you a good image. Go figure..

    June 25, 2011 at 4:29 am | Reply
  33. 66Biker

    Maybe if they took a bath their image would improve?

    June 24, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
  34. Beefburger

    2 burka wearing wives went shopping at the market (barely missing being blown up by a suicide bomber) they started to look at the produce, one of the wives pointed at a couple of potatoes, "Those look like my husband's ba11s!" The other wife asked "They are that big??" "No." said the first wife, "they are that DIRTY."....."Yes, they are." said the second.

    June 24, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  35. Daniel

    Maybe if they shaved their breads and got clean haircut, along with some black suits. That should fix their image. lol

    June 24, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  36. david

    Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices in Washington D.C., According to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud, "in the Afghan war against the Soviet Union during the 1980's and Riyadh and Washington together contributed an estimated $3.5 billion to the mujahideen."

    June 24, 2011 at 9:54 pm | Reply
    • biil

      you conveniently omit why.

      Why? To fight communism and to liberate Afghanastan from the communists.

      Do you have a memory problem? Did you forget how to type after you entered your rant? What are you trying to prove here?

      June 24, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Reply
      • david

        i take it you admit the cia created al qaeda. isnt it clear? 9/11 was carried out by the u.s. government.

        June 24, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
      • George W Bush

        Did it work short term yes. But we created many more problems then we ended. Training Al-Qaeda utter disaster. Giving chem weapons to Iraq utter disaster. Rewarding the dipshits with positions as VP and sec-defense utter and complete incompetence from the single dumbest person ever elected President from any country in the history of any planet.

        June 25, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Theda Bara

      Public knowledge for decades. No one has ever denied it. That's information available to anyone who ever wanted to pick up a book. Was that supposed to be a bombshell or something?

      June 24, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • altee11

      David, your statement solves nothing. It acknowledges that something inadvertently created to fight a mortal enemy turned on one of its initial funding sources. Al Qaeda is still a problem.

      June 24, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Reply
    • TheTruthHurts

      "David" is posturing in a way that suggests Washington planned 9/11 or approved it. There's a huge difference between what he's suggesting and reality. He's distorting facts to evoke an emotional response, which is why it's pointless to hold a conversation with him or any troll for that matter.

      June 25, 2011 at 1:44 am | Reply
      • Nick

        Thetruthhurts, you are 100% correct.

        June 25, 2011 at 1:49 am |
      • david

        do i have to explain further? if the cia formed al qaeda, then the cia controlled al qaeda on 9/11/01. 2 things. look up norman mineta testimony at 911 commission and number 2 of al qaeda, anwar al awlaki dines at the pentagon. i guess all of you patriotic americans who get behind the president in tragedies could explain to me how world trade center 7 collapsed at near free fall speed and turned to dust.

        June 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Nick

      Are you anti American or something? Yes we helped al qaeda back in the 80s to fight the soviet union. Whats your point, they turned against us. Now they have to pay.

      June 25, 2011 at 1:47 am | Reply
      • Jimmy

        None of this is in any way accurate. Read Charlie Wilson's War or Ghost Wars. Al Qaeda was the creation of Osama Bin Laden, and was a peripheral and minor player in the Soviet-Afghan War. The US supported Afghan mujahideen because 1) their numbers were far greater and they were more effective and 2) foreign mujahideen were troublesome, even for the Afghans. There was no compelling reason to support the foreign fighters.

        June 25, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • So what

      A rambunctious child gone bad. And?

      June 25, 2011 at 8:33 am | Reply
    • Gerbil

      Why do we still care about Osama bin Laden? If anyone wants real news, I suggest http://www.infowars.com.

      June 25, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Reply
  38. Peter H

    CNN is so ridiculous with its utterly misleading headlines. Nothing in this story says that Osama considered changing Al-Qaeda's name... the most semi-related thing to it is that he thought the U.S. had diminished some of the impact of the name by getting rid of the "Al-Jihad" part... wtf CNN, stop being so desperate and faking stories.

    June 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Reply
    • john

      Why are you criticizing CNN for your own mistake? The article doesn't say that OBL was thinking of changing the name. It says he was upset that the West had shortened the name to delete the word jihad, a term that resonates among Muslims and which was the key word to OBL. You need to take reading lessons.

      June 25, 2011 at 8:08 am | Reply
  39. Beefburger

    They should have renamed themselves "The $ex, Drugs, and Rock'n'roll Happy Fun Crew". Well, they already have $ex with boys, plenty of heroin from Afghanistan poppy fields, and Shakira and Mari bin Ari sort of rock the Mid-East. Maybe they could have had a sign-on bonus of 10 extra virgins? Of course the only virgins left are dudes playing World of Warcraft in Mommy and Daddy's basement.

    June 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Reply
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  41. steve

    I heard he was going to change their uniforms, too – just like really bad sports teams do when they want to get a new image.

    June 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  42. Jon

    Ulp, spammers ahoy. Anyway – "The official says letters between Ayman al Zawahiri and bin Laden also show that bin Laden was very concerned that al Qaeda in Iraq was damaging al Qaeda’s image with attacks that killed civilians." Gee, you think?!

    June 24, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Reply
  43. icia

    Fools. The Name was given to a made up organization. It was created by the cia. IF the cia wants to change then go ahead. your missing the point.

    June 24, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • Mark C

      Oh shut up you gaseous imbecile.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Reply
    • Ed alibi

      You got to be a Pakistani with your usual conspiracy theory.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Reply
      • Amrullah Yousafzai, Mingora,Swat, Pakiland

        What the media will never tell you about the origin of Al Qaeda is that "Al-Qaida" was the name of a computer database of mujahideen fighters during the Soviet Afghan war.
        This was mentioned in an article by former British foreign secretary, Robin Cook.
        He wrote: "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, Al-Qaida literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
        See his article in guardian, "the struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means," he wrote this just a month before he died.

        Conspiracy or not....you decide.....

        June 24, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
  44. cacbar

    Wonder if he was worried about what his male-on-male porn collection would do to the club image. Guess that didn't matter or maybe he hoped to live a couple minutes longer when he was using his wife as a shield.

    June 24, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  45. brako

    wait wasnt his cia name Tim Osman

    June 24, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Reply
  46. dcmortimer

    Young Muslims are rejecting Alqaedas message it only leads to war death and poverty it's an empty vessel the more you look into it , it has being exposed as a lie a trick a mirage and it will now hopefully fade into history as another failed ideology .

    June 24, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • George

      You're not fooling anyone with that kind of talk. Bin Laden's organization was only one of many worldwide who seek to impose religious beliefs on the rest of the world.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Reply
    • Cajun Herb

      The Quaran calls for Muslims to fight the infidels until Muslim law rules the world. In the U.S. we assume that religious tolerance is everyone's goal. Not true. Anyone who says the Quaran is the word of Allah is saying America as we know it should be destroyed. Young Muslims are simply learning what many educated westerners already know. Religion is an outdated concept, but life sure is easier if you try to play along. They are becoming "Social Muslims," not unlike the "Social Christians" in the U.S. who have the sense to reject the doctrine but are afraid of losing friends, clients, etc. The true believers are probably a minority in both cultures.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Reply
    • HeyAbbot

      Dude...mix in some punctuation, please. And take a breath. I'm just sayin'....

      June 25, 2011 at 9:56 am | Reply
  47. Joe

    Why is the "Publish" button in Spanish? I thought this was an American site.

    June 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm | Reply
    • elnyka

      Uhh, duh, CNN is an international news organization. Certainly based in America, but still an international one publishing news in multiple languages. It is strange, though that the publish button would appear in Spanish on the English version of the site. Logic would suggest that it is a defect or glitch in the system. But to make reference to an American site (unless English is now known as "American"), that's one hell of a dumb-and-dumber comment.

      June 24, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Reply
      • cynos

        "Cable News Network (CNN) is a U.S. cable news channel founded in 1980 by Ted Turner..."

        You stupid a-hole.

        June 24, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
      • cynos

        "CNN
        Country: United States
        Language: English"

        F*cking idiot. Research first before you post your insulting comments based on uneducated guesses.

        June 24, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
      • mark

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        June 24, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
      • So what

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        June 25, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Doug

      I don't know Jose, but maybe they slipped up.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Reply
    • john

      the language in these buttons is usually set by a switch in your own Internet user preferences. Most international news servers support multiple languages. If you set yours to Spanish (or French, or whatever) the buttons will read in that language. Apparently there is an error in the encoding of the CNN server site today. Probably will be fixed by Monday. No grand conspiracy here folks.

      June 25, 2011 at 8:16 am | Reply
  48. Joe

    Interesting to read. So it seems the Iraq war had an even bigger role in Al Qaeda's downfall than we've realized. Bush's anti-terror/pro-democracy policies become more justified every day.

    June 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm | Reply
    • Robrob

      "bin Laden was very concerned that al Qaeda in Iraq was damaging al Qaeda’s image with attacks that killed civilians."

      Yeah, thousands of American troops and Iraqi civilians killed to "damage al Quada's image?" Totally worth it.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Reply
      • Hadji Ladji

        I agree. We have way too many troops anyway. It was a good way to reduce their number.

        June 24, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • levend

      You know Al Queda didn't exist in Iraq till US invaded? So in effect the US created the Al Queda in Iraq which killed how many civilians? I wouldn't be using that argument as no matter how you look at it the war on Iraq was about Oil. Read Bushs book.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Reply
    • Malsaba

      That is true , all Iraqis hate al Qaed but no thanks to Bush .It is the amount of blood the Iraqis lost , while resisting a; Qaeda, dude.
      Al Qaeda was brought into Iraq after the "liberation" from all over the World to "reliberate" the wretched Iraqis.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Reply
  49. Gadsden

    As what the ACLU? Two organizations bent on the destruction of America.

    June 24, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Reply
    • jma58

      People who think like you are bent on destroying America.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:11 pm | Reply
    • Bill

      The ACLU defends the values that define America you mouth breathing cross licker.

      June 24, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Reply
    • Maty

      The ACLU, of late, only defends its ideological partners. They've really devolved over the past few years.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Reply
  50. Kay

    Just out of curiosity CNN, when are you going to stop letting the porn troll post on this board?

    June 24, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Reply
    • what do you have against porn?

      June 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm | Reply
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      June 24, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Reply
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  51. ken k

    He's dead. Quit glorifying his every move. It is you CNN that is encouraging others like him to get the fame some may desire whether it be good or bad. Leave him (Osama) without any legacy, forget about him and do not give him one line of news...you are encouraging others.

    June 24, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Reply
  52. pamiri

    Everyone look it's Yakobi's ugly black daal khor punjabi mother entertaining filthy ISI agents:

    زنده باد افغانستان
    !مرگ بر پاکستان
    -pamiri, کابل

    June 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  53. WOBH

    He was considering rebranding the whole organization... A kinder socially responsible terrorist organization.

    Car bombers would have to use prius or other environmentally sound vehicles.

    June 24, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  54. Amrullah Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

    What the media will never tell you about the origin of Al Qaeda is that "Al-Qaida" was the name of a computer database of mujahideen fighters during the Soviet Afghan war.
    This was mentioned in an article by former British foreign secretary, Robin Cook.
    He wrote: "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, Al-Qaida literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
    See his article in guardian, "the struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means," he wrote this just a month before he died.

    June 24, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Reply
    • Robrob

      Total garbage. Not the least blatant part of which is, "Al-Qaida literally "the database" Sorry Charlie but in Arabic, al Qaeda means THE ROCK. Geez...

      June 24, 2011 at 7:07 pm | Reply
      • Malsaba

        Qaeda or Qaida means "base " as in the base of a triangle or military base or a data base...

        June 24, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
      • Maty

        Arabic al-q'ida, the base : al-, the + q'ida, foundation, base, feminine participle of qa'ada, to sit.

        June 24, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
  55. just an opinion

    you know who was likely the happiest man in the world when bin laden got killed, the pilot who screwed the landing up – he got too close to the wall i think, he was thinking the whole time, they better get that sob or else my flying career is over – a downed bird that far in pakistan, that would have ruined him, i bet obama had his name before the raid was over, plausible deniablilty gone if old boy wasn't there, but that was still very cool, you got to hand it to the president he is using his forces in a very wise way, bush did the disrupt but obama is doing the dismantle, too bad we can't go march the army into pakistan tribal regions, it is a sucky situation to say the least

    June 24, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Reply
    • Cajun Herb

      Thank you for your unapolegitically irrelevant comments. A description of what you had for lunch would have roughly the same bearing on the issues at hand.

      June 24, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Reply
  56. guest

    I'd recommend renaming it Osamalamadingdong.

    June 24, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Reply
  57. PAUL

    This must not be true news, because there isn't two seperate links to think on CNN's front page like there is for an article about " Kim Kardashian's butt is not implants".

    June 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Reply
  58. URJustWRong

    Fox News was already taken.

    June 24, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  59. Fuyuko

    Perhaps we should've named it the pork-cutlet brigade? I'm sure that Osama would like that name much better.

    June 24, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  60. Hawkeye1010

    Top thiree focus group suggestions:

    1. The Explosive Artists Formerly Known as Al Qaeda
    2..Al Qaeda EXTREME (now with 30% more virgins upon self-demolition)
    3. "Who wants to be a Martyr?" Celebrity Orchestra

    June 24, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Reply
    • ExaltedMan

      LMAO !!!

      June 24, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • Marco

      hahahaha...beautiful

      June 24, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Robrob

      "The Al Qaeda Experience"

      June 24, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Reply
  61. GDI

    I would like to see that PR meeting....

    OBL: Well we have an image problem, most of the world thinks we are a bunch of murdering nut-cases who want everyone to follow our religion as we do...
    PR Guy: Well you did burn down the Twin Towers killing 3000 people...
    OBL:Price of doing business, can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
    PR Guy: Maybe you should go away for a while, hide out in Pakistan for a bit? You could come back in 8 or 9 years like Nixon did.
    OBL: Sure, they all forgot what a dismal failure he was in California, I could do the same as long as the Seals don't find me...

    June 24, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • ExaltedMan

      PR Guy's Son: Well they just completed your SEA-BURIAL. You are now officially DOOMED !!!!

      June 24, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Reply
  62. Osama bin Bleedin

    Could've changed the name to Fleetwood Mal-Qaida and performed their hit song "Sandslide". PUBLICAR!

    June 24, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Reply
  63. Teresa*

    IF WE ENDED ALL WARS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW BROUGHT HOME OUR TROOPS IT WOULD HELP FIX THE ECONOMY ........WE HAVEN'T LEFT AFGHANISTAN AND WE ARE INVADING ??? OR HELPING INVADE LIBYA WHICH IS SAID TO COST US FOR OUR TIME IN LIBYA 1.1 BILLION DOLLARS AMERICAN ........GEE WHIZ KIDS THAT COULD HAVE FIXED A LOT OF JOBS HERE @ HOME BUT SORRY WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON OUR AMERICAN DESTRUCTION WAR PATH ....... IM SORRY YOU LOST YOU SON OR DAUGHTER MAME IN THE WAR ....... HA HA BUT MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR ME NOW YOU BRAIN DEAD AMERICANS ........ THAT'S WHAT IS REALLY PLAYING OUT !!!!!!! END THE WAR SAVE LIVES AND SAVE MONEY PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!!!!!!!! LOVE THY BROTHER <3

    June 24, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Reply
    • Hawkeye1010

      Profound insight from somebody who doesn't even know how to use a CAPS LOCK.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Reply
    • Timothy Leary

      The only thing brain dead here is you mouthing off (in annoying caps) about stupid Americans just as aggressive plans to depart Afghanistan next year have been announced. The people have spoken via the polls, and they want out. But are you really foolish enough to believe that all of the US' economic woes are a result of current activities in Afghanistan and Libya? We have a $40 trillion deficit - the current war effort costs are a drop in the bucket and not a pancea for our high jobless rate trouble and sluggish GDP. Your 1968 Summer of Love naive idealism is dated. Just think, when our troops do stand down and we have peace before the next time we're attacked - you'll lose your Anti-War protester identity and purpose in life. You need wars just like you need GWB - saves you from having to actually think through the complexities of issues as opposed to simply "tuning in, dropping out" to a black and white fantasy world were blood thirsty terrorists (who would love nothing more than to cut you nose and ears off and wrap you up in a Burqa) don't exist and only $eX, drugs, and Rock n' Roll matter. Funny thing is, you wouldn't have the opportunity to celebrate free love and exercise free speech without a strong and active military between you and the terrorist dogs that despise everything about who you are, what you believe, and what you represent.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply
      • Jason

        40 Trillion dollar deficit eh? Slightly hard to believe when the entire budget is just over 3 trillion, give or take a few hundred billion. The actual deficit is around 1/3 of that (meaning we'd need to come up with about a trillion dollars in taxes or spending cuts to stop growing the national debt).

        Our total public national debt is around 14 trillion. We know this because of the daily stories about the efforts to raise or not raise the debt cap, which happens to be around 14 trillion.

        These numbers are widely known, public knowledge, so you look pretty stupid when you just start making up wildly inflated numbers. Before you start spouting off about how every one else is naive/stupid/uninformed, maybe you should make a stronger effort to get a handle on the most basic facts. You'd still come across as a ranting lunatic, but at least you'd be a ranting lunatic armed with some facts. Some times that makes all the difference.

        June 24, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
      • Freddy Kruger

        @ Jason – nice try attempting to change the substance of the debate. While Leary's response was over the top and his deficit numbers way off, the underlying issue still stands. Namely, that you and Teresa are two peas in the "blame America first" pod. You call Leary a "raving lunatic" when in fact he points out that "ending all wars" isn't going to solve America's jobless rate, debr and GDP growth challenges. Do you dispute this or not? Leary also points out the irony of a free spirited woman so adamently fighting against the American military effort to overthrow a terrorist regime that attacked and killed thousands of US civilians and treats women in particular like garbage. Before US went into Afghanistan, women had ZERO rights, now they are protected by a fragile Constitution that defends their equality. With people like you the American glass is always half empty - it's impossible for you to give credit where credit is due. At the very least, our American troops provided the opportunity for Afghans to rise above brutal oppression - whether they take advantage of the opportunity moving forward remains to be seen.

        June 24, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
      • Jason

        Dear Freddy: I didn't detract from anything, because there's nothing to detract from. The post I responded to was an ill informed rant, and my post was a correction to some specific "facts."

        If you have a political viewpoint to express, then feel free to express it without resorting to outright lies such as those that were put forth (40 trillion dollar deficit, etc).

        In addition, your characterization of me is not only baseless, but wildly inaccurate, probably going back to that earlier concept of needing, but not having any actual facts. I didn't post because I support what Teresa has to say (to be honest I didn't even read what Teresa had to say because it's in all caps, which is a sure sign that she's a moron). I just don't think it's good for any one when people start throwing around "facts" and "figures" that are total fiction. Claiming that we have a 40 trillion dollar deficit serves no purpose except to make people even less informed than they already are. We're not going to get any where if our constant goal is to make every one stupid.

        June 24, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • bilderberger

      That's when you know it's time to invade another country and then help create and join a one world government.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Reply
  64. Franklin

    He was thinking of a name change but others beat him to it with "The Tea Party."

    June 24, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Reply
    • This could be the start of something big

      Still smarting over last November's election results are we?

      June 25, 2011 at 8:50 am | Reply
  65. Coolius Caesar

    He should have renamed it "Al Queso – The Cheesedog Network" as these morons are going to be as extinct as dinosaurs. The whole world is turning against Islamic extremists. Once alternative energy is bigger in the West, all these oil states will have no use. Deny their crummy citizens visas to Western countries and let those monkeys kill themselves off.

    June 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply
    • blackeagle

      you dum ass,stop watching to much cnn,media is brain washing you,they want you believe what they want and maddog like you never read books,read history of soviet war,these al quida warriores helped your nasty asses become world power,you should be thankful for them for having this luxury life which you never deserved.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • Will

      Posted on Haha, Sarah, you're hilarious and I love it! Honestly, it doesn't even maettr that they leave my name out when all the cool kids on the internet mention me! We know who has more street cred!XOXOFelicia

      April 5, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply
  66. Brathead

    Zawahiri we are coming for you next. You might be able to hide, but we will find you like we did your buddy Bin Laden. I hope all of Al Qaeda rot in hell and anyone that is even considering following them. Wise up, is it really worth you life. You do not go to eternal paradise when you kill people, regardless of what religion you practice. You will burn in hell for eternity!

    June 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Reply
    • Easter Bunny

      Actually, they will not burn in hell because there is no god. You simply go blank forever like an old, discarded computer. Sleep on that.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Reply
      • lol

        ahahahaha your just as nuts as people that believe in religion. how in the world do you know that for certain unless youve died and come back to life to tell us thats the case in which youve just proved yourself wrong

        June 24, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • Marcus

        I kinda agree with that statement. Do you remember before you were born? Nah....so you probably won't "remember" anything after you die...existence no longer........exists? haha..yes ....yes please sleep on that.

        June 24, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • Mark C

      How dumb are you? Do you seriously think that someone would create a secretive terror organization and name it "the database?"

      June 24, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Reply
  67. guy

    AH YES...MARKETING/BRANDING ARE SO IMPORTANT!

    June 24, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Reply
    • fred

      How's 'bout we rename them Al-Quidies "The Butt-Ugly Hairy Smelly Goat-loving Woman-hating Cave-dwelling Camel-riding 7th Century Half-human half-animal Neanderthals" ??

      Well, whadaya think? Huh?

      June 24, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Reply
      • dirtballguy

        Too long, not to mention stupid.

        June 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  68. ExaltedMan

    This is an ultimate joke !!!

    May be the JOKE OF THE 21st CENTURY !!!

    LMAO !!!

    June 24, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Reply
    • JonathanL

      How do you label Sh*t and sell it? He should have consulted with Goldman Sachs.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  69. Kevin

    He should have changed it to The Sharks or The Jets....or The Tomcats..yeah. Tomcats...emboidered on the back of black satin jackets. That would have been cool!

    June 24, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Reply
    • fred

      You can put a pile of steaming SHIITE in a new bag, but it still smells like a pile of steaming SHIITE !

      June 24, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Reply
  70. Barry

    If Ben Laden truly cared about the image of al Quaeda, he would have shown respect for the lives of innocent people, including the innocent children he intentionally murdered. As if this was not bad enough, he then took delight in the evil he had committed.

    I am reminded of an old teaching:
    “You shall know a tree by its fruit. A good tree produces good fruit, a bad tree produces bad fruit.” –Jesus

    June 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
    • On the face of it...

      How naive.

      June 25, 2011 at 8:51 am | Reply
    • Ines

      oddio, forse una mia impressione (peraltro eglata agli ultimi screenshots, il che lascia il tempo che trova) ma mi sembra che il dettaglio grafico sia leggermente sceso.le strutture poligonali degli ambienti sembrano un po' pi spigolose rispetto agli screens rilasciati qualche mese fa e ho l'impressione che sar presente un po' di aliasing.se, tuttavia, dovesse rimanere fluido come nei video mostrati, credo che anche i "difetti" temuti (ma, ribadisco, frutto di un'impressione) non dovrebbero incidere sull'esperienza visiva e ludica.per il resto i nemici sembrano ancora favolosi e i giochi di luce eccellenti ma questa sembra sia essere il vero punto di forza del wii). [anche della ps2 si disse che era assolutamente inferiore alle piattaforme nintendo e microsoft ma poi, a causa della massiccia diffusione, le softwarehouse dovettero impegnarsi a fondo per spremere ogni singola capacit dell'emotion engine per presentare (a fronte di una concorrenza sempre pi agguerrita) prodotti cosmeticamente pi soddisfacenti appianando il gap con l'xbox e il gamecube (gli ultimi giochi per ps2 non hanno nulla da invidiare a quelli che girano sulle altre console).la situazione attuale del wii non diversa: si imposto sul mercato, ora si imporr anche come piattaforma di riferimento; il problema sar per gli utenti sony e microsoft che "subiranno" giochi multipiattaforma che sfrutteranno solo in parte le potenzialit delle loro macchine.prima con ps2, ora wii... sar che sono tifoso del napoli ma se non soffro non mi diverto.]

      April 7, 2012 at 12:07 am | Reply
  71. Osama bin Laden

    Allah akbar, it's worse than I thought! Now that I'm dead, my image is public property. Anyone can use it for their deviant art.

    June 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
    • tbone

      That's right. Now go back to sleeping with the fishes.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Reply
    • fred

      Hey Osama, have you seen the hysterical ventriliqist Jeff Dunham doing YOU??? He calls his dummy Ahmed the Dead Terrorist. ( "My name is Achh-med Accch-med") LOL !!! Catch him on TV on Comedy Central now and then or on DVD. "I kill you now !"

      June 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply
  72. abyssand

    Let me guess? Goldman and Saqaeda?

    June 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  73. Quincey9

    If he had lived al Qaeda’s image would have indeed changed. He had thought specifically the way the dealings with the west had been going over the past few years and he felt 'slotted' and almost 'Owned ' as a media figure. Right before was killed, his notes say that he was going to change the al Qaeda name to a circle with two lines above it , a triangle next to it connected together by three squiggly lines. It was hence forth going to be known by this symbol and referred to as "the terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda"

    June 24, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  74. jorge washinsen

    A toilet is still a toilet, and serves the same purpose, no matter what you name it.

    June 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  75. david

    al qaeda was formed by the cia. i dont know why cnn or anybody else has a problem with the fact that the cia has admitted this. its also a fact that osama bin laden never referred to his group as al qaeda. i suggest cnn look up hurricane erin of 2001 and ask why americans dont know that hurricane erin, as big or bigger than hurricane katrina, was off the coast of new york on 9/11/01 and the media did not cover it. please look into it cnn.

    June 24, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      Who cares about the hurricane off the coast when commercial airliners are crashing into buildings. What does that have to do with anything?

      June 24, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Reply
      • david

        and who said commercial planes crashed into buildings?

        June 24, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
    • reply

      Wiki on Hurricane Erin: "Throughout its path, Erin caused no casualties, no injuries, and minor damage."

      Wiki on 9/11: "Nearly 3,000 victims and the 19 hijackers died in the attacks"

      Looks to me like Hurricane Erin was a non-event, can't say the same about 9/11 WTC events

      June 24, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Reply
      • david

        who said 3000 americans and 19 hijackers died?

        June 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • you are wrong

      The CIA did not create Al Quaeda or bring Bin Laden to the position he was in. That myth was debunked years ago. In answer to your hurricane question... there are dozens of hurricanes that stay in the Atlantic and don't threaten the US coast every year; quite frankly, they are not newsworthy because they never make landfall. Though I guess you could argue the Kardashians, Hiltons, Lohans, Mel Gibsons, Tom Cruises, Palins, etc... are not newsworthy either and they still get covered.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • david

        please tell me who "debunked" it? you cant just say something and expect me to believe it. that is not how evidence and common sense work. i just dont trust blindly, unlike you. i feel sorry for people who do.

        June 24, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
      • Erika

        L'ho corampto, l'ho corampto! Questa mattina mi sono precipitato al media markt e ho preso the conduit!Devo dirvi solo una cosa: FANTASTICO!Allora, io i voti li do dal numero 1 al numero 6 (qui in Ticino cos ).Grafica 5,3 su 6: Grafica davvero fantastica, le texture dei personaggi di ottima fattura, mentre quelle dell'ambiente sono un po' ambigue. Pecca per la amncanza di stile, es: certi nemici sono inguardabili (sono di un rosso con riflesso verde nauseante). Il forte della grafica di questo gioco il gioco di luci (scusate il gioco di parole) che esso contiene, l'illuminazione della pelle del protagonista (la mano fatta allo stesso livello si quella di bioshock) delle armi e tutto il resto fantastica! Pregevole anche la fisica in generale.Sonoro 4.9 su 6: Le musiche utilizzate sono un po' piatte ma riescono comunque ad emozionare nel modo giusto. Ottimi anche gli effetti sonori delle armi: molto realistici.Multiplayer online 5.9 su 6: Il mioglior mutli online per wii. Non me la sento di dare il massimo dei voti perch la parfezione impossibile da raggiungere. Finalmente quando si enrtra a fiocare online ci sar anche qualcun'altro e quindi i tempi d'attesa per iniziare una partita saranno brevissimi! Fantastico!Controlli 3.3 su 6: Il reparto controlli sicuramente il lato peggiore del gioco. Sono disastrosi e anche frustranti; ma una volta capito che si pu modificare i controlli a proprio piacimento questo andicap svanisce almeno parzialmente.Longevit 5.3 su 6: Il multiplayer online non fa altro che rendere alta la longevit . In singolo il gioco bello, ma pecca di una trama obsoleta.Giudizio finale (non una media) 5.5 su 6: Gioco fantastico sotto quasi tutti i punti di vista. I talloni d'Achille di codesto gioco sono la scarsa qualit dei controlli, la trama ed infine la mancanza di stile nel reparto grafico/stilistico. High Voltage ha dimostrato di credere nel Wii, e ha anche dato la prova tangibile che questa console (se spremuta) pu raggiungere ottimi livelli grafici. Sia chiaro che non potr competere in un killzone 2 o in un Halo 3, ma rimane una gioia per le nostre insaziabili pupille! Consigliato a tutti. Grazie per la lettura: djmario

        April 6, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Osama bin Laden

      I caused Hurricane Erin, too, and named it after my old girlfriend from college.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply
    • ClearFog

      Okay, so the CIA did not cause Al Qaeda, but it did cause the hurricane.

      Signed: David

      Next time, Dave, I'm going to lock the emergency airlock.

      Signed: HAL

      June 24, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Reply
    • Al

      I hope you have a quarter in your pocket, cause you need to buy a clue....

      June 24, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Reply
    • Tia

      David, if you think Hurricane Erin is important and that people need to know about it then feel free to become a CNN iReporter and write a story about how a hurricane that caused no deaths, no damage and no injuries should have been given more news coverage instead of them focusing all their attention on planes crashing into buildings and thousands of people dying.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Reply
      • david

        and be part of the same media who said planes and fire can knock 2 110 story steel framed buildings almost flat to the ground? unlike you, i believe in common sense. fires at the 70th floor are not going to the 69 floors below turn to dust and fall with no resistance. obviously you still believe that and i feel sorry you have no knowledge of the laws of nature. please learn someday.

        June 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
    • david

      im sorry you all are unable to distrust your government. 2 planes hit two buildings and three buildings collapsed and mostly turned to dust. a person who couldnt fly a cessna a month before 9/11 could fly a boeing knowing exactly where to fly to hit it, flying a few feet off the ground and no videos are released to prove it. tony blair admitted there is not enough proof to take to court to prove osama bin laden had anything to do with 9/11. 9/11 hijackers were alive after 9/11. fbi testified at the moussaoui trial that barbara olson made 0 calls on 9/11, and now, after plastic surgery, is named lady booth and married to ted olson. how many more mainstream news articles do you need that proves 9/11 was an inside job. im not making any of this up. does anybody except me wonder why cnn is not reporting on any of this. please google anything that i wrote in this post and you will find out everything i say is fact. the government does lie to you and you continue to believe every word. that is insanity. if you dont realize this country is dying, at the end of 2012 you will find out real quick. the elites have said the end of 2012 is the time they are looking at to put their one world government fully into place. go to youtube and look up "lindsey williams on alex jones show." by the way also look up field effects. that is why hurricane erin matters. the united states has free energy technology. i just dont understand why you all dont realize the government lies. that is not a controversial statement. "oh well they lied about wmd in iraq but they would never lie about 9/11." people that makes no sense. wake up. please. im trying to make you realize you still have the power. the president and congress are not your boss, you are their boss.

      June 24, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Reply
    • It's all a conspirisy eh?

      Paranoid much? You probably think that the Earth is flat and man never went to the moon too. David, please take your medications followed by a long nap – preferably 6 feet under in the dirt.

      June 25, 2011 at 8:55 am | Reply
      • david

        there is evidence showing that we did go to the moon and there is evidence showing we did not go to the moon. which side is stronger, i have not spent enough time investigating. see, that is how i determine what the truth is. when the media reports that bin laden carried out 9/11 a couple of hours after the new york attacks, i dont believe one word until they present evidence. whether you know it or not, evidence has not been presented that proves al qaeda did 9/11. i am still waiting. maybe you should look up the scientific method and learn how to come to your own conclusion instead of listening to some old guys in suits who are controlled by offshore banks who are taking us into a one world government and guess what, you are going to be a slave to them right bedside me.

        June 25, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
  76. Ryan R

    Big Bob, who honestly would challenge N. Korea? Kim would mash that nuke button faster than any historically-gifted jeapordy contestant. I think we have at least enough rationalization to just not even talk to a dict. That would pump one off, just for looking at him wrong

    June 24, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  77. Ryan R

    I think NOW he should be concerned...lol

    June 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply
  78. John

    For political movements, image is essential to recruit new members. Osama bin Laden used to be a charismatic leader. But he died as an old man who watched porn and needed Viagra. The image of Al Qaeda is a leaderless bunch of losers who failed to do anything to help overthrow dictators in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, or Iran. Their 15 minutes of fame is over.

    June 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  79. The Real Yakobi.

    June 24, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  80. Daniel Cunningham

    Plato,, sorry but when we were in Korea, they did not yet have the big bad bomb. So, your point has no point.

    June 24, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Reply
  81. Rick Springfield

    The papers detailing the Kennedy assassinations will not be let out until 2029. They will show that John F. was killed by the inadvertent and totally unintentional actions of the woman who rented the apartment to the Oswald family. They also are the same people who got Lee his job at the depository which gave him a perfect sniper position of Dealy Plaza. The couple also enjoyed considerable wealth when president Johnson signed the orders entering the USA into the Vietnam War. The husband mentioned above was an engineer for Bell Helicopter, which as you know sold tens of thousands of helicopters to the US government for use in Vietnam.
    So that was 50 years ago and Bin Laden's secrets go even deeper with ties even to Oklahoma and the University of Oklahoma. it was there where one of his conspirators sent a message from the 3rd floor of the Bizzel Library to then President Clinton. The message totally laid out the full 9/11 plans but lacked a date and time. Clinton then chose to ignore that warning and failed to change cockpit security which would have prevented the 9/11 plans from going to full fruition. Nobody except Mr. Clinton will know why he did not enact the changes although he did admit he did not want to change anything about our airports because civil liberties is more important than security of a nation. At the time we disagreed with his assessment but now with the TSA debacle, we understand.

    June 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
    • Linda Blair

      Two words: Tora Bora

      June 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • DBM

      You, sir, are an idiot. And just another reason this country can't progress.

      June 24, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • Geoz

      Love the creativity. It must be wonderful to find certainty residing patiently in your own head.

      June 24, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Reply
    • Al

      Watch out, the UFOs will be coming next month to take you away.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Reply
    • Miguel

      Someone get me some tin foil to cover my head with!!!

      June 24, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Reply
    • Such an imagination we have

      You should write a book sir. Let's call it "Anderson's Fairy Tales".

      June 25, 2011 at 9:02 am | Reply
  82. Dr.BakroChod

    All Shia and infidels are not considered civilians. Islam permits killing them.

    June 24, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • ReverseMan

      It is good for you that we don't adhere to the same idiotic religion you do.

      June 24, 2011 at 1:14 pm | Reply
      • Dr.BakroChod

        Rule,rob, enjoy AKA Life, Liberty and persuit of Happiness. What is wrong with that ? Don't you like that religion ? You don't know what you missing.

        June 24, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • peace123

      No it does not, if it did why do many non-Muslims live and Musilm countries?

      June 24, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Reply
      • DBM

        peace123. Since you know EVERYTHING, you should probably RE-read through this one:

        http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Non-Muslims

        Why do you live where you live? I'm sure there's a lot of people living in Islamic countries that don't feel like walking a few hundred miles to move.

        June 24, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
  83. The Doubter

    This story makes as much sense as the previous one.

    Remember the super efficient Navy Seals storming into Bin Laden's house while all of the 187 million Pakistaneese were asleep. On their first shot, they hit him right between the eyes, grabbed all his documents /CDs and an awaiting roaring helicopter carried his body to an aircraft carrier many miles away. All of this in 30 minutes.!

    For the sake of minimum credibility, even Hollywood would refuse such unbelievable scripts.

    June 24, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
    • Yakobi.

      If they were so "super efficient", why did they crash one of their super secret helos?
      Plug up the holes in your tinfoil hat–it's leaking.

      June 24, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply
      • The Doubter

        Yakobi relax!

        I was being ironical.

        June 24, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
      • The Real Yakobi.

        Not the Real Yakobi.

        June 24, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
      • The Real Yakobi.

        [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yerZUpN24&w=425&h=349%5D

        June 24, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • OK, Mr. Doubting Thomas

      Still mired deep in denial are we? We got him whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

      June 25, 2011 at 9:05 am | Reply
  84. Dr.BakroChod

    Message to all Faithful from DrBakroChod. Why people hate BakroChod ?Think.

    June 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
    • Osama bin Laden

      Maybe it's your personal hygiene? Do you wear a suit made of meat?

      June 24, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Reply
  85. two shots and a splash

    a man rejected by most muslims lies dead and disgraced at the bottom of the arabian sea...a fitting end

    June 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
    • moe smith

      and he dind't even deserve that much dignity. should have drawn and quartered him, scattering his remains in the desert for the animals to consume and elements to scour.

      June 24, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • Big Al

      How's the search for his body progressing? If found, his head should be displayed as was Blackbeards and William Wallaces.

      June 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
      • Sihaam

        Hi, in response to this and to your piovreus reply at Jihobbyist # 4 (I think):1. Good to see that you've started masking faces.2. The picture above had me giggling.3. You write that people think it’s ok for individuals to publicly post pictures of themselves wearing or celebrating al-Qaeda propaganda Come on, this is a strawman.4. Your line of reasoning, that these people themselves put the pictures on display on the Internet and should stand for it I don't really buy that. Compare with some stupid teenager posting sexually explicit pictures of themselves online; perhaps legally you could republish them, but that doesn't mean you should. In this case, since there might be a crime or threat involved, it depends on the type of pics and the person concerned, but mostly I think that judgement call belongs to legal authorities. You're right that we should ask the questions (where's the line that he shouldn't be allowed to cross, at what point should law enforcement intervene, at what point is surveillance legitimate, etc), but we can ask those questions and still anonymize the subject. Since there is a chance some of these people might just be kids in crisis, or someone with a rather particular sense of humor pulling a prank on his friends, or whatever, let's work on a presumption of innocence except in the most obvious cases.The possible consequences of their pro-OBL posturing are very real and very severe, not just to reputation, even if that's the major one. Since 9/11 gloves are off even in the US, but most of these people have ties to other countries, where rule of law is weak or nonexistent. That calls for extra caution.As a hypothetical an example, consider the case of an immigrant kid who gets picked up on the radar of Syrian mukhabarat after some idiot bravado on a blog which got forwarded around the web. Ten years later when he has left all that behind and settled into married life, he goes back to the old country to see his relatives, and gets a tap on the shoulder at the Aleppo airport you fill in the rest.Unlike in days past, with the Internet there's no controlling the spread, longevity and, most crucially, context of a statement online. So there's every reason exists to be extra careful and play on the safe side. You don't know where any of these people are going to be, ideologically or geographically, in 15 years, but these posts will certainly be floating around the web for anyone to see.Plus, anonymizing faces actually makes no difference to your case, so why not? (In fact, I don't think the pictures was that much of an added value at all.)5. My complaint that there was no analysis, just pictures, is hereby formally withdrawn. I think that week 1 summary was thought-provoking and well worth the read. I also think it would have worked just fine without the Jihobbyist picture series.6. And, yes, I will most certainly continue to read the blog. Keep up the good job.

        April 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • jorge washinsen

      I agree with the part he is dead.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • Osama bin Laden

      But I'm happy down here with my 72 sturgeons. I live in a pineapple under the sea.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • Al

      I hope the cook on the ship dropped a few pork chops over board in the area he was dumped before they left

      June 24, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Reply
      • Food for the Gods

        No, the chef broiled the chops for dinner. He did toss the hog guts overboard though. Ashes to ashes... garbage to garbage. How fitting...

        June 25, 2011 at 9:08 am |
  86. Bill

    We can only hope that the huge movement going on in the mideast will eclipse the fundamentalist movement, and with less violence. Yes, for these people to be free, there will be conflict; but, if it works, their freedom that is gained will be worth the suffering they endured. It is the free world's moral duty to assist in this; NO PERSON should be subject to the inhumane treatment of another human being-particularly by its governing body. The use of the internet is spawning what we can only hope is a huge wave of people wanting a better life, and having the courage to move forward with this. Bless them all, in whatever religion they desire. Killing someone over a God is inhumane, in ANY religion.

    June 24, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      I think we pretty much know what all of that trouble is really for. When the smoke clears, the radicals will control the whole mess.People have always been tricked into doing the dirty work for the real masterminds. If you notice, the oil producing countries were the first to erupt.

      June 24, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  87. Phil in Oregon

    The mass killing of civillians was damaging their image? I thought that was their main tool for getting attention. They never did like attacking anyone who could shoot back.

    June 24, 2011 at 11:46 am | Reply
    • DontLie

      Isn't that what the u.s. does on more massive scale, invading defenseless countries with threats of "nuclear war" knowing the other side has no nukes to respond in kind. I bet the u.s. doesn't have the courage to attack China, or even North Korea for that matter.

      June 24, 2011 at 12:00 pm | Reply
      • Ryan

        As much as it pains me to say, there is truth to this. Ofther countries have done far less to be invaded without a second thought. North Korea has repeaterdly provoked the US, and we've done nothing. I believe due to the threat of thm having nuclear weapons. China is not much different. The only other excuse I could make for China, is that our economies have grown borderline co-dependent on each other.

        June 24, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
      • Plato

        We were in Korea half a century ago. Maybe you skipped class that day. We did it then and we will do it again if needed.

        June 24, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
      • Al

        That's right, I spent 22 years in the military. My job was to kill people, and if we did it right the first time, we won't need to come back and do it again a second time.

        Also, it was never my job to die for my country, it was my job to make the other poor slob die for his.

        Enjoy the freedom you have, cause there are others that are protecting it...That includes your military.

        You sound very righteous in your indignation, but I'd like to see how you would live if you didn't have the freedom of speech you obviously are taking advantage of.

        June 24, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
      • The straight skinny

        Aren't we forgetting "the mother of all battles" promised by Saddam? How convenient.

        Now, you'd best be back to your cave. Our Predators are looking for you.

        June 25, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • Osama bin Laden

      Dontlie, it's dumb to say that USA threatens people with nukes. USA threatens other nuclear powers with their ability to retaliate; if they shoot one at USA, USA will shoot a hundred at them. It would be like saying "Give me your lunch money, or I'll kill us both, destroy this town, and make the ground sterile for fifty years." USA threatens other countries by dropping conventional bombs on them, or by invading them with soldiers.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  88. Kerry Bedford, TX

    As it has been stated....Arab Spring has pretty much made their movement irrelevant. The majority of educated, thinking youth in the Middle East want a better life, they are not going to find in it fundamentalist thinking. They prefer empowerment and choices. Living in the middle ages isn't working for them anymore. Too late for the 20th century....let them start repeating the benefits of the 21st. It's right there, within their reach, if the fanatics could just get out of their way.

    June 24, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
    • Yakobi.

      Don't fool yourself. The Arab Spring isn't about giving up on fundamentalism. It's about economic frustration and getting rid of brutal dictators who constantly attack the people–some of which are close allies of the U.S. If you think Egypt under the Muslim Brotherhood is going to be freer than it was under Mubarak, you're in for a sad surprise.

      June 24, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Reply
      • The Real Yakobi.

        Not the real Yakobi.

        June 24, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
      • Jason

        I guess the positive thing about it is that if Arabs get democracy and continue to be douchenozzles about everything, then at least no one can claim they're being douchenozzles just because they don't have democracy. I don't know about any one else, but I'd feel a lot better about bombing people because they made really ignorant choices than I do about bombing them just because they have really ignorant beliefs.

        June 24, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Al

      Unfortunately, I don't think that is what's happening. Many of those that protested in Egypt are now looking forward to resuming their war against Israel, not finding a better life for themselves. I hope your right, but it still remains to be seen where all this will end.

      June 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  89. Sever

    well one mans innocent civilian is another mans infidel

    June 24, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
  90. Jeff

    Thank God he's dead!

    June 24, 2011 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • Yakobi.

      Thank the Seals. No deity was involved.

      June 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Reply
      • The Real Yakobi.

        Not the real Yakobi.

        June 24, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
      • CS

        You're moron!

        June 25, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
  91. Mike

    Obviously we're just being given the bits that support the U.S.'s desired image of both Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. It makes it sound like Bin Laden was the CEO of a corporation with the typical concerns about corporate image and succession planning. I wonder when we'll be told he was also worrying about Al-Qaeda's balance sheet, cash flow, and credit rating. Maybe the big secret we'll finally learn is when he planned an IPO and who were the major underwriters going to be!

    June 24, 2011 at 10:03 am | Reply
    • Speak when spoken to

      You know all you need to know, sonny boy. Now, back to your coloring book.

      June 25, 2011 at 9:15 am | Reply
  92. Forrest

    It really doesn't matter if Bin Laden's Al Qaeda is done for. By our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade, we have doubtless created dozens more new "Bin Ladens" and "Al Qaedas" that will haunt and scheme against the US for a long time to come.

    June 24, 2011 at 10:02 am | Reply
    • Big Bob

      So we shoulda just cleaned up the mess from 9/11 and done nothing?

      June 24, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Reply
    • Alex in NJ

      The seeds were sown to create Islamic Terrorists who hate the U.S. since the 1950's. The Bin Ladens and Zawahiri's will always hate us. However, it is our support for Israel and our troops in Saudi Arabia, as well as our support for Middle East dictators that give the Bin Laden types the tools they need to recruit. We should use a combination of renewable energy, natural gas, nuclear, clean coal, and yes, domestic drilling for oil to get off of Saudi oil. Then we should declare neutrality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Not go and support the Palestinians, but rather just say know what? Not our problem, you all want to act like insane fanatics and blow each other up, we wash our hands of your problems. Peace in the Middle East is a lost cause. Let's just get out of that whole insane region.

      June 24, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Reply
    • Al

      This kind of thinking is as demented as can get. You mean because we defended ourselves, they hate us even more? What kind of idiot are you?

      let's see, I'll punch you in the face. If you don't fight back, maybe I'll be your friend...

      June 24, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • just an opinion

      i am with you on the whole iraq thing but don't ever question they validity of afghanistan, that war was the most rightoues one fought by the usa since bosnia and before that wwII, i agree though that we must have created many enemies, its all in the picture you paint right, what i think most arab world resents is the fact that many look down upon them, i think by spending time with them people come to realize they are not all that different, they like porn and cigarettes and many even drink, most of them just want to love their wives and have happy lives, but it is the lonely young males who join the fundamental groups, its not the guys pulling major girls, its not the rich boys (with a few exceptions), its not the ones raised by good family, it is the kids growing up in the ghetto, it is the lonely young men who are joining the terror groups, people become terrorist fighters for the same reason people become crips, looking for something to belong to, it is the same thing in america, everybody has to belong to some special group whether a sisterhood or brotherhood, everybody wants to be part of something special, ask the jews what they think about that

      June 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Reply
      • just an opinion

        individuality is where it's at, how many of you could tell your buddy no man you can't cheat off me, not many, look at society, we collectively pick on certain people because they are different, one should get lost in one's self and then they will see the world through a clearer lense

        June 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • And that's all I have to say about that...

      You didn't mention that your last name was Gump. Life is not a box of chocolates, Forrest. Your lawn mower is still running.

      June 25, 2011 at 9:18 am | Reply
      • The poster "And that......" is not a real human, he is a poser human.

        left right left
        oil the elbow

        June 25, 2011 at 10:57 am |
  93. James

    Gee, Bin Laden was concerned that the ongoing killing of civilians by Al-Quada was hurting it's image........

    June 24, 2011 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • edvhou812

      He only cared about civilian Muslims. Doesn't matter now, becuase he is swimming with the fishes.

      June 24, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  94. les

    Nice to know, but this stuff is being released selectively. What has not been released? Hopefully the decision is being made based on military/security considerations and not political considerations (which are probably 100% likely).

    June 24, 2011 at 9:18 am | Reply

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